How do you feel about anime influence in cartoons?
I don't mind it until they start trying to copy the humor or faces, then it feels a little cringe-y.
same
I dont really care about it.
>>83365819
I wonder what Star Fires feet smell like ha ha
>>83365819
anime and cartoons together(like OP) should've never been a thing. they should be their own separate thing
Can anyone think of examples when anime takes influence from cartoons? I'm thinking Looney Tunes or classic theatrical cartoons like that.
>>83365819
It was fine in Teen Titans.
And it's all cartoons at the end of the day.
>>83365819
It is okay for the most part.
But Teen Titans really did this shit too much.
>>83366003
Astroboy?
>>83366054
/fucking thread
/board
/site
>>83366003
One Piece? Gear 3 is some Tom & Jerry shit. Oda has specifically stated american cartoons influenced his style.
It's okay if the show in question is already trying to imitate an anime art style.
>>83365819
cute feet
>>83366054
This
Either because the writter dont know how to properly use it or the gag becomes the joke itself
It's not that hard to figure out. You see it every day. The ones that went the farthest out, have gone the other way.
>>83365819
Disney influences anime, anime influences cartoons. Full circle no big deal.
>>83365950
>anime and cartoons together should've never been a thing
Anime is cartoons you mongoloid. Just because it's from Japan doesn't make it its own super secret medium.
>>83366003
Literally all of anime
>>83365819
I don't have problem with the faces on japanese cartoons, so I don't know why I would have a problem with it on western cartoons.
As other anon said, its all the same on the end.
oh she painted her toenails green
neat
>>83365819
>until they start trying to copy the humor or faces
It's the easiest, cheapest quality they can copy, and they usually don't do it well either.
![Teen Titans - 202 - Every Dog Has It's Day.avi_snapshot_08.52_[2016.05.17_19.56.45].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VA7pIrx.jpg "Teen Titans - 202 - Every Dog Has It's Day.avi_snapshot_08.52_[2016.05.17_19.56.45].jpg")
I really don't care. Only quality matters. If they do it right, great.
I'd rather have cringe anime faces in Teen Titans than lifeless spaghetti arms
Avatar is pretty much the only series that does this properly, Teen Titans makes it too obious and uses it too much it becomes a little cringey
>>83368231
I noticed that too. All the current shows have that same art style, probably cause all the creators are friends
>>83368231
we really gonna ignore that flapjack and chowder both had really distinctive styles and were just a couple years ago?
>>83368231
>>83368231
What, no Adventure Time style?
I honestly didn't mind TT's anime styling. I like both anime and cartoons. But lately I've been phasing cartoons out in favor of anime, because while both mediums have stagnated, one stagnated as "Something only for children" and the other stagnated as "Something only for otaku". At least the latter handles more mature themes.
>>83366003
I've been watching the Viz dub of Sailor Moon and there are a lot of visual elements that are clearly from old American cartoons. Things like eyes replaced with beating hearts, steam coming out of ears when mad, things like that.
It made me think how the most obvious 'anime features' as above are just old American techniques coming full circle.
>>83366003
Big O took influence from Batman the animated series
>>83368537
(You)
>>83368231
>oh boy, I posted it again! this time it didn't even have anything to do with the topic!
>>83368231
this is such a shitty argument. this compares 9-10 shows from the early 60's to the late 90s, where the second picture only compares 4 from around the same few years. All of which do have diverse faces beyond the protags "beanface". for example, Gumball has some of the most diverse character designs in a cartoon show ever and just boiling it down to "beanface" is beyond unfair and just idiotic
>>83368670
ok then
Literally could not watch OG Teen Titans because of this. Took me years later to watch Avatar.
What I learned from both is: I shouldn't let it bother me and ruin a good series.
>>83368537
Nice strawman.
You do realize that the top few are made by Hana Barbera while the few selected here>>83368231
are made by different cartoon creators.
>>83368231
Funny how Teen titans go's style isn't "cal arts" by /co/'s logic.
>>83368670
Both of those fucking posts are (you) material.
>>83366440FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK BEEEEEEEEEEEEES
>>83368885
that doesn't change the fact that the first picture is still horribly flawed and biased and completely ignores the fact that modern cartoons are still just as diverse.
Weeb garbage?
>>83368419
>Avatar is pretty much the only series that does this properly
Found the retard
>>83368419
What? Avatar did that shit too just not as often since as it went on and moved away from the animeisms
I love it, but only when you can tell the creator's influence goes beyond the superficial.
>>83368424
That's not good, conformity leads to stagnation.
>>83368645
Japan loved the shit outta old school American cartoons, specifically Disney. Anime eyes are really just Snow White eyes. Don't be shocked if some Japanese corporation bought it out one day.
>>83367675
This. There's an actual cringeworthy way of doing it like My Life Me, and then there's this show that I have no problem with.
>>83368537
you aint my nigga
>>83365819
I only see it bothers people who are avid fans who believe the Japanese are superior in everything. It didn't bother me with Teen Titans and Avatar back then and it still doesn't bother me now when revisiting them, it only becomes a problem when the people behind them don't know how to place them or think they're being "authentic" because they abuse certain aspect (the fucking sweatdrop). With Teen Titans it was obvious that the staff were well verse in anime tropes more specifically the works of Gainax which is why they went all out with the expressions instead of just copying shit they saw it one specific show while other shows like Xiaolin Showdown, Kappa Mikey and virtually any Marathon show didn't know to properly do it which made they stick out like a sore thumb.
This is pretty much my favorite moment in the show. Whoever storyboarded it watched a lot of His or Her Circumstancesbecause it was iinfamously known for using various expressions for its characters in high octane comedy scenes which angered the creator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmg8HOBz7sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJaPjPZNxjk
Another show that went a step further with animeisms was Super Robot Moneky Team Hyper Force Go! Also made by Teen Titans staff which imitated the limited animation style of anime including the mouth frames, the biggest influence of the show draw from classic 60's and 70's anime more specifically Cyborg 009 and Voltes V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE4jcrNS2qM
A lot of people praise Steven Universe as the show to "get anime right" but all its doing is the same thing Teen Titans did in the 00s and that is copying anime the creators like, what Sugar does anything right is that she captures a lot of the subtle camera work anime does all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67xFiC_O790
I appreciate Teen Titans more so now as an adult than I did as a child, DC will never do something like this ever again.
>>83367532
slutty feet
>>83365819
i hate the faces like in pic related but i otherwise don't mind anime style.
Honestly as someone who kind of likes both anime and western cartoons i really hate it when american shows do that smug thing where they have "anime" in it and it's just awful, based on tropes that'd put an 80s toy commercial to shame.
>>83365819
what was going on when they had the straight up anime intro with japanese vocals? was the show animated in japan or something?
>>83370467
Japan still loves the fuck out of Disney. The whole world is pretty much obsessed with Disney. Shit people lose their damn minds when they find out that America isn't just one big Disneyland themepark all the time.
>>83371398
Puffy AmiYumi was a famous Japanese pop duo who dong the intro in both English and Japanese. A Japanese intro means that the episode is going to be comedy centric
>>83371442
>dong
*sang
>>83366003
Panty and stocking is inspired by the powerpuff girls
>>83370347
Yeah. The most familiar the creator is with anime generally the better the references are going to be and the more they'll add to the work. Anyone can do a Pokemon or a DBZ parody but that doesn't mean they'll understand the appeal of either show. It ends up becoming a family guy reference. When you start getting references from shit like Satoshi Kon, Osuma Tezuko or Leiji Matsumoto then you know there's genuine love in it.
The best animations take influence from multiple sources. Too bad that cartoons rarelly use anime influences right. I would say that Gumball is one that uses it right.
>>83371563
>I would say that Gumball is one that uses it right.
I would say you're an idiot.
>>83371490
Actually it was inspired by Drawn Together
>>83366003
Imaishi has stated several times he's a huge fan of Western works. Most of his stuff has references to American cartoons.
>>83371627
He is a big fan of Japanese animation you know? So is Pixar and they run Ghibli movies while work for inspiration.
I felt that it was a great way to set itself apart from Justice League at the time and I enjoyed how it made the characters very expressive for the humorAnd I feel like people who say Teen Titans was shitto defend TTGare contrarian faggots
>>83371773
>He is a big fan of Japanese animation you know?
So is everyone who made all those shitty faux anime shows in the 00s
>>83371815
But he takes influence without trying to make faux anime and ending up with a caricature instead.
>>83371891
>But he takes influence without trying to make faux anime
Because its not trying to ape its style. Gumball is literally just a series of references
There is more about taking influence than just trying to copy something.
>Who are your heroes who work/ have worked in animation?
>>Miyazaki is a big hero of mine. I’ve always been very inspired by Japanese animation.
>>83370467
Disney is literally worth more than the two richest Japanese companies in the world.
Anyone got any ITunes rips of Teen Titans?
>>83368475
>Both of those shows ended in 2010
>just a couple years ago
>>83365819
literally the worst thing about Teen Titans, it makes it borderline unwatchable because of how garbage it makes the show look
>>83369062
it really isnt, its cartoony but not in the same way a lot of the 'cal arts' style cartoons are
>>83365924
Do you think she farts? ha ha do you think she gets embarrased when she farts? Haha does anyone have a funny picture of starfire farting? I need it for a laugh ha ha
>>83365924
>>83373224
>>83370648
> Original image takes a bunch of over the top expressive reaction images from old cartoons and compares them to characters from new cartoons all making the same expression
> Counters with picture of over-the-top expressive reaction images from new cartoons compared to older cartoons all making the same face
> "th-th-that's bullshit"
You're an unbearable whiny faggot.
>>83368231
>>83372738
Wander Over Yonder completely disproves your argument though.
>>83365819
The creator of that Teen Titans show is Asian so it's okay.
>>83369325
When it comes to CN, no. You cannot deny there's been a bit of incestuous homogenization between shows on that channel, to the point where the art styles are almost interchangeable barring a small handful of exceptions like TTGO. The NuPPG showcases this the best, where anyone that wasn't part of the original show could've been easily part of another CN show(fuck, the dream bears from the painbow episode are literally the bears from WBB).
Now shows from other channels like Disney/Nick are a completely different story, but there is a speck of truth to it when it comes to CN.
>>83375072
>disproves
>gets cancelled for shit rating and not fitting their grid
>>83375072
i feel WOY isn't fair to bring in because it's made by an industry veteran. though no one brings up those mickey mouse shorts either, or a lot of other disney shows.
>>83374840
The difference is that the first pic compares shows from the past across different animators and networks to shows of the current era across different animators and networks
The second pic compares shows of the current era across different animators and networks to literally one fucking studio
Fuck you, that's cherry picking
>>83370807
>With Teen Titans it was obvious that the staff were well verse in anime tropes more specifically the works of Gainax
Hell the last episode was basically a Gainax ending
>>83375640
I see it more as an anime stereotype instead of actually applying the tropes like in anime.
>>83375289
> That's cherry picking
Wow, sort of how the first image cherry picked in choosing specifically stock images of the characters making generic expressions? Gosh, it's almost like that's exactly the point of the entire fucking image.
> inb4 "no but see, my image cherrypicked in a slightly different manner, so it's okay"
>>83365819
Man, I don't care.
>>83365819
they always copy the bad shit (humor, chibi) and not the good shit (mechanical designs, fight scenes that are actually good)
>>83366003
One of Akira Toriyama's inspirations for Dragonball was 101 Dalmations.
>>83366054
This, so much
but hey, don't take it from me, let's see what someone who is actually in the anime industry has to say
https://twitter.com/Thomasintokyo/status/709203944564596736
>"Anime" アニメ in Japanese is just a shorter way to say "Animation" アニメーション It defines a medium, not a genre. Adventure time is "anime".
>By the way Masaaki Yuasa (Mind game, Ping Pong) directed an episode of Adventure time. Don't stick labels on everything.
>>83375734
>>83376754
Prove it
>>83368537
I know you're trying to make it seem like the guy you just responded to has a weak argument, but if anything, that pic proves that CalArts is in everything now. FFS, it already happened
>During the 70s everything looked like Hanna-Barbera
>During the 2010s everything looks like CalArts
Give it another 10-20 years and we'll have another cartoon boom like we did in the 90s
>>83375225
Ironically, Disney and Nickelodeon have various other artists compared to Cartoon Network.
Which is why the show Mighty Magiswords felt like it was on the completely wrong channel for what it originally was and deciding it to buttfuck it with it's Canadian juvenile tone and not to mention the subpar animation from all becuase of its artstyle.
>>83373762
>not this_post_gave_me_crystals.jpg
>>83365819
>How do you feel about anime influence in cartoons?
great when applied to super hero shows, shit when applied to anything else
>>83370533
>starfire's foot will never expand to an enormous size whilst pressed against you face
I think ben ten has a lot of anime style
Especilly ben ten alien force.
>>83377366
I just called him, he said its true.
>>83368537
>Cartoons now
>Everything is pink
>or
>Everything is blue
>>83378655
>You will never have your face sink against Starfire's soft soles
Please, don't remind me anon
>>83366054
>>83375640
>Gainax ending
But it's just the status quo. Beastboy is running back to his team because they need him and symbolizing that Terra, the remaining loose end plotpoint of the series, is alive but her ties with them are severed. And they keep on having adventures.
It's not completely retarded or unexpected.
>>83368231
Why does this always get a shit ton of replies? Wasn't it confirmed that this was literally made as a joke?
>>83375640
>>83381111
I'am still amazed at how sad the ending was. Also, it was both amazing great to see the last episode of the show to be centered in Beast Boy isntead of Robin who is kind of the MC or the whole team. This ending was kind of sad but great in the end
>>83370807
I'm pretty sure kappa Mikey was done in spite of anime
>>83365819
the did it well in Teen Titans imo
>>83383345
The guy who created it was a super weeb who's goal with Kappa Mikey was to create an "American anime" forgetting the fact that you had to be made in Japan to be considered one. Man the 00s was a dark time in terms of creativity in TV.
>>83381590
it's almost as if people can't help but reply to bait or something.
>>83381590
>Why does this always get a shit ton of replies?
I'm sorry, but do you know where you are by any chance? Because it seems like you don't.
>>83365819
I think its cute, and i really like iti know all of /co/ wants to kill me now
>>83365819
Meh, doesn't bother me.
>>83365819
basically just took what I was gonna say.
Modern anime don't even use the whole sweatdrop stuff most anime influenced shows have.
Kappa Mikey was pretty cringey, and even some of the average chibi moments in OG Teen Titans was pretty cringe too.
I feel it's better when a cartoon doesn't take just the basic cosmetic aspects of an anime like le wacky chibi forms but actually show some sort of tact when dealing with anime influences like animation techniques and whatever. Besides, Avatar and Teen Titans tried to mimic shonen shit which already has low budgets to begin with.
>>83386954
>Modern anime don't even use the whole sweatdrop stuff most anime influenced shows have.
Oh they still do. But its definitely not as frequent as it was in the 80s and 90s or at least its not as emphasized to use a big sweatdrop nowadays.
In honesty, I appreciate /co/ for actually having threads that talk about this without going into shitposing, unlike, you know, /a/.
Back on topic, I don't particularly mind if shows do use aspects from anime in their work.
Of course, with much of the same sentiment, I also think that Teen Titans, Kappa Mikey, and My Life Me are cringe as fuck.
My only question is if the American continent will begin another anime like production again, and nothing like the PC Totally Spies, Winx Club, and Martian Mystery sort of stuff. You know, something that's like anime? But that's just my inquiry.
>>83386954
>Modern anime don't even use the whole sweatdrop stuff
It's gone now. Western animation tried to mimic anime from 2003-2007ish, now it mimics tumblr.
>>83365819
I don't know what's cringey about it nor why people keep complaining about it.
I don't know what's cringey about it nor why people keep complaining about it.
>>83388918
It's cringey because it sorta speaks "sell out" and "demographic aimed attempts to catch viewer bases". Plus, when it comes to cartoons, it comes across as tryhard and "look! we're like the best new thing out there too, don't you like us? LIKE US".
Sorta like how Nickelodeon did the whole SLAM block in order to counter Toonami but failed big time.
>>83388758
It doesn't mimics tumblr, tumblr kids were hired... and Disney got DA for their lion king.
>>83366054
Pretty much this. If the show is good then it shouldn't bother you and from all the examples used for the shows that pull it off incorrectly are shows that were bad to begin with. Never bothered me with Teen Titans since it was pulled off well enough that people could dismiss it for the show being incredibly silly. The Mad Mod episode is more like a classic Looney Tunes short than any anime.
>>83388972
Or, it could be that the creators just like anime and wanted to use it to influence the style based on their own desires and not the desires of some nebulous viewer base. Wild idea huh? Could never be that.
>>83389130
I don't think they pulled it well.
>how do i feel about it
alright i mean george lucas was inspired by japanese movies (see seven samurai)
japan has had a knack for inspiring people for a very long time
>>83389927
Kay. Just wanted to speak my peace and that as someone who regularly watches anime saw nothing cringey about it.
>>83365819
Well for starters Teen Titans has always look very animeish. So it doesn't stand out so much
>>83390114
I wouldn't say it was cringey, just trying to copy something without understanding it. I don't see why they don't make things like those old cartoons animated in Japan that already were low budget.
>>83365819
Autists, aka all asians, cannot into humour. Seriously they can't socialize worth a shit. They cannot possibly get into humour, suaveness, charm and being an extroverted laidback smooth intellectual. They're a primitive race from the time mongoloids used to rule the world.
>>83390225
Swat Kats looked that way mainly on accident it wasn't an intention on the creators behalf and it was mostly in the second season where all the episodes were outsourced to TMS. Teen Titans would have more or less looked as flat as Static Shock without the animeism.
>>83368424
>Same artstyle
More like same coloring
>>83368885
>Says "Then"
>covers nearly 40+ years
>>83390651
Yeah but I think they could make it like that on purpose if they wanted to cash in the anime wave.
>>83390319
>omega wolf posts on 4chan
I'm getting some serious faggot levels on this guy. Reminds me of that loser who shot up that sorority in southern California and had a journal about how "spics and niggers are cockblocking me from my glorious pure blood Nazi legacy race".
tl;dr you mad bro, sweet tears of fatties and betas everywhere like rain
>>83368475
>couple
Chowder premiered in like 2007, m8.
This seems as good as any other thread, but I just watched the son of batman series and I feel like watching some more DC animation.
The only thing I watched besides the son of batman movies was young justice I really enjoyed both, but I have no idea what to watch or were to start.
I watched the first ep of teen titans, but it didn't really grab me does it get any better past a certain point?
>>83391661
>The only thing I watched besides the son of batman movies was young justice I really enjoyed both,
Since your standards are that low already watch all the current DC animated movies then when you develop some actual taste start watching Batman The Animated Series and Superman and finally Justice League.
>>83391730
Ah ouch that stings, but still thanks.
Can I watch these movies in any order with minimal comic book knowledge?
>>83365819
Seeing as I'm used to both anime and cartoons, as long as it's merged well like in TT I can dig it. No other really strong feelings.
>>83391830
Alright I won't be a dick. Basically watch whatever you like. Since you like Son of Batman may I also suggest Batman vs Robin, Batman Bad Blood and Teen Titans vs Justice League since they're apart of the same continuity. Really you can jump into any of the DC animated movies, the ones that are highly recommended by /co/ is Under the Red Hood, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern First Flight.
>>83391946
Also Gods and Monsters and Flashpoint.
>>83375246
It wasn't cancelled because of ratings, it was cancelled because they didn't see a need for a third season. Also I still don't see why that's relevant to this discussion.
>>83392079
>it was cancelled because they didn't see a need for a third season
>ends on a fucking massive cliffhanger
Yeah sure
>>83375640
>Gainax ending
That's not a thing you TVT fucktard. Neither is "Gainaxing" or "Gunbuster pose".
>>83391946
I already watched all the sequel movies and I really enjoyed all of them, so I am actually a bit suprised that people think that those movies and young justice suck.
I probably enjoyed them, because I haven't really watched a lot comic book cartoons(is that the right term?), but hey if those two series are considered bad then I have a lot to look forward to.
So thanks anon I really appreciate your help, I probably am going to watch them in release order if they are all stand alone movies.
>>83367675
>Watermarks
>>83392299
>I already watched all the sequel movies and I really enjoyed all of them, so I am actually a bit suprised that people think that those movies and young justice suck.
They're not particularly high quality in terms of animation and writing and many people here hate Damian's portrayal in the movies. Son of Batman is widely considered to be the worst of the DC films so if you enjoyed that its nothing but smooth sailing from here on out. YJ has a split reception here, many people love it for its serious portrayal of DC alumni and its serial format storytelling a lot of people hate it for its bad dialogue, shuffling of its cast and the way how the story was handled in the second season living most of the cast to the side to focus on M'gann who is one of the reason people like or hate the show. Also it has the worst fucking Joker.
>>83392529
Is Damian different in the comics?
>>83392595
Depending on what you read he can be pretty awesome but the movie plays up a lot of his hated tendencies i.e. being the bratty genius with Son of Batman being the worst offender with him beating Deathstroke. He gets nerfed a bit in every movie after that but he's still a dick.
>>83392736
Ah I see, I get what you mean, but I am gonna stop asking questions now and watch the movies, because I can imagine that you get tired of answering these newfag questions of mine, but still I really want to thank you for helping a newfriend like me out.
>>83386954
I hate the fucking chibi moments like in USM, fuck why made that shit?
I can't remember an anime doing it
I didn't mind the anime infuence. The episode with Control Freak stealing the remote was god-tier.
>>83390225
Swat Kats was cool (my fav animation from cn), unfortunately I feel like the upcoming new series was not
It's funny because a lot of classic cartoons were animated in Japan anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Ghostbusters
>>83366054
You're a pretty cool Guy
>>83394974
Animated in Japan isn't the same as having that anime style and tropes
shower thought.
what if anime...
is actually cartoons?
Work in the other direction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rSw4Xl5qfs
>>83395026
It was born in the wrong body.
>>83395026
>That anime style and tropes
Okay. That's pretty vague but I'm sure you have something specific in mind.
Anyway, personally I don't really mind. It wasn't a big deal when TT did it and it's even less of an issue now. I mean, just look at the thread, I'm not seeing any current examples of this being presented as a problem. There was Avatar and there was Teen Titans and that Puffy Ami whatever cartoon, and even that was so stylized it was more like Powerpuff Girls or My Life as a Teenage Robot, which were more space age deco style.
Basically, how did this thread travel in time from the mid 2000s?
>>83365819
I like anime. I think western cartoons parodying anime is almost always awful because the only things most of them know are shit like pokemon, sailor moon, and dbz.
>>83389130
Can someone separate Cyborg?
>>83395412
>>83395412
This.
You have no idea how much hate I have for shit like that.
I'm happy I'm not alone on this.
>>83395412
>3-4 different shows on CN Alone had a DBZ parodies at some point
And people complained about memes, we still had it pretty bad as far as references go.
>>83392108
>ends on a fucking massive cliffhanger
Oh so you've seen the ending already? Craig already said season 2 was going to end satisfyingly, you're just needlessly stirring up shit.
>>83390651
Mook did Swat Kats, not TMS.
>>83390928
Swat Kats was made before the anime boom.
>>83366054
>It's fine when shows I like do it
>>83366247
That was awesome. To expand on that a bit, the artist for Astroboy took heavy cues from western Disney cartoons at the time, with the oversized eyes and all, and it snowballed from there. Basically, the original style of anime comes from an appreciation of Donald Duck. There's some cool correspondence between the two artists if you want to google.
>>83401002
But still was made with tight budgets and in an anime style. Two things they were aiming at when making fake anime.
>>83401778
Swat Kats was much larger then most of the stuff Hanna Barbera was doing at the time, in fact it's more then what Adventure Time has.
It's not fake anime when it's animated in Japan, also Avatar had a million bucks in it's budget, Korra only had $200,000-300,000 in it's episode budget for the most part (Pierrot's episodes were $800,000 per episode and Book 4 was only $90,000 per episode).
>>83403015
That's my point, just outsource it to Japan and let them do the animation if you want to cash in the anime wave. They make it cheaper anyway, at least they will get their own shit right unless you are over restrictive.
>>83403506
Japanese studios were leaching off of US studios as their pay was higher (10 times from their own local work), US studios pay 4 times that amount for local work.
They can leach off us again, they cost the same as Korea now of days and we cal kill off the fujos for them.
>>83365819
I never liked the use of anime reactions etc. in Teen Titans but can't exactly articulate why. I guess it didn't feel like they were actually done well, or at least placed into the episode well. Like the show would be doing its normal thing and then suddenly ANIME OUTTA NOWHERE and then back to the standard.
But I also don't mind cartoons drawing influence from anime and vice versa; I guess it should just feel like it's done well. In fact I'd really like if it was handled well, instead of both just having moments where they imitate the other for comedy or whatever.
I actually really hate the "Cartoons are like THIS and anime is like THIIIIIIIS" notion that comes up everywhere, but it is true for a ton of shows, and half-assedly imitating what creators perceive as "anime" seems to only reinforce it.
>>83403738
The midget horse show pulled it well. So well that people don't even realize that they are using them most of the time. But let's not start a shitstorm by discussing it.
>>83375734
saved
W
>>83404586
That was from The Answer Studio, on their Batman DTVs they have always been inconsistent to say the least.
>>83365819
Those over the top faces and shit are why 90% of anime is trash.
Over the top animation works if that's the whole gimmick of the show, like Looney Tunes, but anime always throws that shit into everything, even serious shows. Aside from not being funny it just takes all tension and emotion out of scenes.
I hated Teen Titans as a kid because of it, and I hate it even more now as an adult.
How anyone can think Teen Titans is comparable to shows that stay on model, like Young Justice, is beyond me.
>>83404725
Still better then Avatar however.
>>83404725
>Young Justice
lol
>>83399706
They admitted that they didn't get around to certain important things in season 2, like Hater's backstory. I'm sure the season will be self-contained but the writers had plenty of show left in them.
>>83403738
>Like the show would be doing its normal thing and then suddenly ANIME OUTTA NOWHERE and then back to the standard.
The show never turned off the ANIME so I don't know what you're talking about.
>>83404004
>The midget horse show pulled it well.
That was never going for an anime style to begin with and if it did people didn't notice because they were preoccupied with other aspects of that show to care.
The director said he had always planned to incorporate the style way back when preproduction of the show went underway in the 90s. It wasn't something that came about due to the anime bomb of the early 00s.
>>83407967
>bomb
*boom
>>83375734
So nothing's changed aside from the obvious drop in animation quality?
>>83407922
they also pulled off intolerance of the mentally challenged when they censored the fuck of out the derpface horse.
>>83408059
There were changes in the voice acting and writing.
>>83377120
Except anime is commonly thought to be something created primarily by a Japanese studio and Japanese animators (sometimes they're outsourced to koreans). That's all anime really is, and it still has very distinctive styles compared to western cartoons. So no, they aren't exactly the same thing.
>>83410159
Ok anon, how do you say western cartoon in Japanese?
>>83410159
There are three ways to look at defining Anime
The first is to define it as any animation made specifically in Japan. This method means you're a faggot who thinks watching anime is any different from watching cartoons
The second is to describe anything that resembles Japanese animation. Shows like Avatar and Martin Mystery. This is usually by people who have been told what anime is from the above group.
And the third is to define it as a word the Japanese adopted from the west and bastardized to cover the entirety of the animation medium regardless of country of origin. This is the correct definition.
>>83365819
Hated as a kid, felt like the shows were trying to trick me.
>>83375734
The top still feels more creative than the bottom. I don't know if it's because most of the toons in the bottom have noodle arms or maybe it's because the top were colored by hand which makes them feel more "organic". But even Batman's on-model sterile expression is better than Dipper, Rick, or Regular Show's sterile expressions.
>>83410314
>This method means you're a faggot who thinks watching anime is any different from watching cartoons
But it is. An anime is vastly different from a cartoon in style, visual storytelling, writing, voice acting, production value, design, animation quality, coloring, plot, humor, fucking everything.
It's like saying an action story is no different from a murder mystery because "they're all movies in the end".
>>83410778
>It's like saying an action story is no different from a murder mystery because "they're all movies in the end".
An action movie made in the US is different from an action movie made in China, but bottom line they're both action movies...
...y'know, kind of how anime is just Japanese cartoons. Obviously there are cultural differences, but it's not a different medium and has the same genres (more or less) as cartoons made elsewhere.
>>83411004
The only similarity between your average modern day anime and cartoon is that they're animated. Everything else is different. If they weren't so vastly different, people wouldn't be so split between the two and prefer one but not the other.
>>83405377
Not that anon, but hoping IDW will make a Wander comic and expand on it all.
I'd like to see Hater's backstory. Or Dominator's on how she became such a omnicidal maniac.
>>83373762
What was up with that weird Misty thing
>>83365819
> anime style
> no humor or faces
So cheaply made and badly animated?
>>83411047
I like both and feels there's significant crossboarding between /a/ & /co/, but that may just be me projecting. In any case if you think anime and cartoons can both neatly fit into their respective boxes with no overlap then you obviously haven't watched enough of either.
>>83411204
No, it cost more then most anime.
>>83411004
Yes they are both animated shows, but they are different industries with a lot of differences in styles in both storytelling and visuals. They should never be thought of as "the same thing" because hurr durr the japanese word for cartoon is anime! People who think that are the most basic of all retards.
>>83411211
There is overlap obviously ,as both take influence from each other. But its still best to think of them as separate entities with similarities, because thats what they are. The same way you'd think of american comic books and japanese manga as seperate entities.
>>83412881
Also, theres this.
>>83412926
I don't know what this image is supposed to convey but I assume its trying to imply that because some American studios (who have written, produced, voiced, and told the overseas animators what style they want and how they want it animated) have on occasion outsourced to Japanese or Korean animators because its cheaper it proves that western cartoons and anime are exactly the same thing. I'm 95% sure that image was made to bait both /co/ and /a/ with anyway.
>>83368537
good man.
>>83413422
Some of those shows were co-productions.
