What are some of the most blatant examples of characters being ripped off in comics?
Doom Patrol and X-Men
>>83290536
Not this shit again. I hate to break it to you but just because one company comes up with a certain power skill first doesn't mean no one else can ever use it again.
>>83290581
Thank you, Pham. Besides, why ruin fun?
>>83290581
Yes it does
>>83290645
*the fun
>>83290650
no because power sets aren't unique concepts, the stories behind them are. just like henry david thoreau can't claim forest as his and now no one can write about camping in the forest.
>>83290748
OP's pic is cute though. Why assume it's meant to be argumentative instead of hypercrisis?
>>83290574
Doom Patrol ripped off of X men though.
Why don't more people seem to get this?
>>83290766
That's just DC hoping they can straight up steal shit like they stole Captain Marvel from Fawcett back in the day. "But we had a strong guy in a cape first, your honor".
>>83290748
It's really funny when you think about it. DC's marketing staff has seemed to be always shit since the characters they ripped from Marvel aren't popular. But when you take look at Marvel...X-Men, Deadpool and many more.
>>83290793
Posts most blatant examples of characters being ripped off in comics, then posts the same character but two different brands of.
>>83290793
hyper crisis would imply that they're the same guy from different universes, right?
because they're nothing alike besides scientist who get small. original atom was nothing like original ant-man. modern ant-man is nothing like current atom. also current pym is nothing like ray palmer (is he still atom? or is it still that one girl?).
>>83290894
Not exactly, hypercrisis is more that there is SOMETHING driving human thought and creativity causing unintended connections and unknown connections.
>>83291046
Then why would he post about them being "ripped off" if it was just hypercrisis?
The first thing you need to do when you're in a hole is stop digging.
>>83290574
A man in a wheelchair hardly makes x-men a ripoff.
>>83291102
It could have been tongue in cheek. We'll never know now because the thread has descended into butthurt.
>>83290801
He didn't precise who ripped who.
![2763121-justl_cv4_asdjkhf69s87dafkwlq[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZxhOJJ9.jpg "2763121-justl_cv4_asdjkhf69s87dafkwlq[1].jpg")
this piece of shit
>>83291251
You have to give DC mercy with that one. Namor is at best an ancillary character and DC tried to make him a main one. The poor bastards.
>>83291368
is this a joke
>>83291411
DC took a boring character and tried to make him an A-list character and it's always failed.
>>83291368
>Namor is at best an ancillary character
Not when Aquaman was first created. Namor was arguably Timely's most popular character at the time of Aquaman's creation. Marvel's "Big 3" were Human Torch, Captain America, and Namor. Namor was the exact opposite of an ancillary character at the time.
>>83291557
>at the time
>Timely
>Marvel's "Big 3" were
Times change anon and yet DC still tries to shoehorn telepathic fish guy onto the A-list. At least "Timely" had the sense to stop making Namor solo books if there ever were any.
>>83290536
The most obvious one is Wade Wilson. Marvel wasn't even trying with that one
>>83291950
> Marvel wasn't even trying with that one
Have you not seen Youngblood? Liefeld took a bunch of Teen Titans characters and jsut remade them
I don't think any Image character was as blatant as Shadwohawk though
>>83290801
>Doom Patrol's first appearence was in June, 1963
>Xmen's was September of that year
There you have it. Doom Patrol is completely a X-man ripoff
>>83292124
> Ours was four whole months before yours. Take that!!!!
And one is a franchise with billions of dollars made and the other franchise is blowing hobos at the bus station of eating money. Rule #1: If you are going to steal, make sure you do a better job than the first guy did.
>>83292215
>for eating money.
Ooops.
>>83292215Xmen is still a ripoff
>>83292444
>We had a guy in a wheelchair first!!!
I hope that keeps DC warm at night. I don't see anyone throwing millions of dollars at them to make Dawn Patrol movies.
>>83292548
>Doom Patrol.
Hell, even I have trouble remembering who they are. Someone get their picture on a milk carton.
>>83290536
Rap rap rapid fire time
>xmen and doom patrol
>nova corps and green lanterns
>nightwing and moon knight
>deadpool and deathstroke
>hulk and doomsday
>thanos and darkseid
>hawkeye and green arrow
>flash and quicksilver
>namor and aquaman
>superman and captain marvel (shazam)
>rocketeer and adam strange
>atom and antman
>plastic/elastic man and mr fantastic
>doom patrol and fantastic 4
and probably tons more.
>>83292701
>nightwing and moon knight
How are these 2 similar? Grayson and Moon Knight are nothing alike.
>>83292701
>>doom patrol and fantastic 4
You mean Challengers of the Unknown?
>>83291046
when you put it like that hypercrisis is stupid, not arguing against you. just that it sounds like the concept is there's pointless conspiracy to the universe across all universes fake and real. but the point is there's no explanation or reason. simply stuff can be similar or coincidental. spot the 7's and you win a no prize for life.
>>83292701
>superman-cpt marvel
go fuck yourself, idiot-schill.
>>83285674
Superduperman>>83292844
Exactly
Apopenia is the dna of the human soul
>>83292840
>DC
>copied by Marvel
>copied by DC
>copied by Marvel
I think Marvel looks bad under the whole scope. Though the "super powered misfit outcasts shunned by society" they took really was the big sell point with X-Men.
>>83290824
people where a lot dumber back in the day, i don't think that should fly modernly. the judge was probably like
>well one looks red and one looks blue and red...you know what yeah they looks the same to me, guilty.
>>83292444
I refuse to acknowledge X-Men as a Doom Patrol rpioff becauses asides from Byrne's and maybe Kupperberg's runs DP is one of the most consistently well written teams even though each author's idea for it was different
>>83292785
It normally is considered batman, but due to dick dealingwith more supernatural shit than batman, the truncheons, and the fact that they were combined in the amalgam universe is why those two
>>83292876
that is exactly what the dc heads thought of shazam when he was part of a different company, so dc bought them out.
>>83290536
Blue Marvel, Invincible, etc........
>>83290536
>>83292963
>amalgam
only because they already planned on doing the cash-cows, bats n wolvie beforehand.
>>83292963
Dick doesn't have another supernatural powers at all and the amalgam universe excuse means fuck all. I guess that mean Wolverine and Batman are the same character too.
>>83292936
>Apopenia is the dna of the human soul
isn't that just normal life in our galaxy, everything is different shapes of the same, because we expanded from one cell which kept multiplying and took different forms but it's still the same shit.
>>83293036
no but his time in the teen titains made him deal with more supernatural enemies than bats
>>83293067
But he has no powers at all... Experience means jack shit when accusing characters of being copied from one other. You can look at a lot of that list and go "yeah, I can see that" but short of both being while men, there's not a thing in common between Spector and Grayson.
>>83292992
>that's what DC thought when captain marvel was outselling superman, so they decided to go to court, lose multiple times, yet repeatedly appealed as to bankrupt the other co. a la jp morgan.
ftfy
>>83292995
Superman's powerset has become the archetype for a generic superhero. it's not the fault of creators for using archetypes if they work effectively to get the message across
>>83290574
>> Ours was four whole months before yours. Take that!!!!
They're not even slightly the same though. Doom Patrol is a band of misfits, while X-Men at its core, is about a group of people with diverse powers, but a shared identity.
>>83293247
But Dude, ours had a guy in a wheelchair first so that's exactly the same as them stealing every idea from us.
What is a ripoff to you guys? Cause I'm confused if say something like a character with the ability of Speed can be considered a ripoff of Flash just cause they have the same ability or do you mean in a story sense
which one was first /co/?
>>83293398
Man-Thing was created a few months before Swamp Thing, so make of that what you will.
>>83293362
>What is a ripoff to you guys?
For me it's not so much because of a power set as to when it's almost identical. you can look at Namor/Aquaman & Deathstroke/Deadpool and realized that someone should have sued someone long before now. For me Quicksilver/Flash have absolutely nothing in common short of running fast.
>>83290581
LOL Ah, i see you are from the "Original Character, Do Not Steal" camp
>>83290766
thats the dumbest example ever
>>83290581
It should mean no one else can ever use it in the same exact way again.
>>83293758
No, that actually means the exact opposite and I'm the same anon. I have no problem with similar characters as long as they aren't being blatant about it. Otherwise, there would probably be no new characters after 1965 or so.
One of the Scarecrows. Don't know which came first.
Not once but twice
DC has the advantage of being around since the 30's
>>83293398
I'd say bog monster is a general enough trope.
>>83293902
>>83293925
>>83293975
http://imgur.com/gallery/FSUwz
>>83294168
Longshot has nothing to do with Booster though.
>>83294211
Maybe if you're lucky, you'll get a lame excuse like the Nightwing/Moon Knight one.
>>83294211
Other than charismatic blonde with a star logo on their torso.
>>83293247
>>83293247
which is also funny because marvel admits x-men was more a reaction to teen titans. them wanting a teen super group.
also strangely enough fantastic four was their response to jla. the avengers idea took them a while to get to.
>>83294395
>also strangely enough fantastic four was their response to jla
Yeah, it was more of a general "We need an answer to this" than a straight rip, so Kirby ended up basically building off of his work with Challengers of the Unknown, while Lee took it as an opportunity to write the more realistic, imperfect superheroes he wanted to write.
>>83294395
That's debunked bs. Kirby says that Lee lied, that he came up with them himself, and that they were to compete with another of his creations, Challenger... you know.
If you're calling King Kirby a liar, you know where the door is.
>>83294581
>If you're calling King Kirby a liar, you know where the door is.
Kirby says he created Spider-Man too.
>>83294581
>Kirby says that Lee lied
Kirby says a lot, doesn't mean he's always right. The man was one of the greats, but he wasn't infallible.
>>83294624
>Kirby says he created Spider-Man
Wait, really?
>>83294764
Yeah, he made the claim several times. Between Lee, Kirby, and Ditko, I'm not sure there's even 2 stories that match.
>>83294816
Lee and Ditko both laying claims to Spider-Man is a no brainier. But why the actual fuck does Kirby think he created Spider-Man?
>>83292701
Rich would be a black lantern now.
>>83294918
Lee had Kirby work on the character at first, but wasn't impressed with what he saw, apparently, and thought it was "too heroic", so he gave it to Ditko, which makes sense, as Ditko seemed to inject a lot of the ANGST Lee was looking for. I think Kirby had a general habit of not actually looking into what the final published product was, but knowing that he worked on something, and kind of went through thinking "I did this, so I created it".
>>83294701
Lee lied quite a bit when his only deal was "writing" credits. Shit, Lee would be a nobody if not for Kirby, the company was shutting down before Kirby came on board.
>>83295205
Source on that excerpt?
>>83295205
wow
I can't believe Araki stole The Hand from Jack Kirby
>>83295020
That's not entirely true. There's been tons of research (Urslen did some that discredited another story Lee gave) on the subject, and it mostly seems like Lee just didn't want to split the credit three ways.
1/2
>>83293785
thats the dumbest opinion ever
>>83295460
>in the interview published in Spirit Magazine #39 he stated that the basis for Spider-Man started with a character called the silver Spider
Here is Kirby's idea for the Silver Spider. As you can see, it has a lot in common with the final product of Spider-Man.
>>83295773
>Guy with a spider on his shirt. It's like looking in a mirror.
>>83294523
yeah a response isn't a rip it's just a fill for a consumer demand.
>>83294581
it's not calling king kirby a liar, calm down 4worldfag.
it's completely believable and seems completely true that a marvel as a business would react to the market in certain ways. jla was big at the time there was nothing like it. it combined all the top heroes of that publisher for the first time as their own book. f4 makes sense to be a response to needing a team book, if kirby invented all of it by himself, okay cool. that doesn't mean stan lied when he said the company needed a team book. f4 sold as marvels first family, their team book to respond to jla. avengers came by later as something else. now more closely sided with avengers/jla comparison. same thing with teen titans and x-men. having the idea for mutants and wanting to do a book of freak heroes is great, good for kirby. but the business/marvel needed to fill a hole created by the demand of readers for more teen led books. hence x-men is perfect at the time to rival TT.
yes both are completely different, and it doesn't take shit away from glorious kirby, you're too busy talking shit about stan lee to see it's not untrue what stan always said.
they're two sides of a coin needed to make the company famous kirby the artistic talent, stan the business talent. they needed eachother to survive and thrive. but stan being more business and less art obviously gets the better monetary deal. because kirby was too not involved in that aspect of his own accord. it's a dick move by companies, but kirby was a grown capable man who let it happen.
>>83295773
That's nothing like Spider-Man.
Methinks Kirby is being a fag because he didn't make one of the Big Three, but Lee did.
>>83295773
>physical aspect
>about concept
What a dumbass, to have to move goalposts to "costume" out of nowhere. Fucking disgusting.
>>83290536
Aren't a lot of heroes already based off of preexisting characters?
>>83293037
Apophenia,sorry
>>83295947
>What a dumbass, to have to move goalposts to "costume" out of nowhere
>costume
Oh, I'm sorry. Here's a bit of the underlying concept for the Silver Spider. As you can see, there's Spider-Man's famous magical Spider-Ring
>>83295879
Multiple authors and historians have punched holes in many of Stan Lee's claims. Not to mention that both Ditko and Kirby's stories credit The Fly as inspiration. In fact, you're also calling Ditko a liar. Sad, dragging two artist through the mud...
>>83290536
UP AND AT EM!
ATOM ANT!!!
>>83296090
>historians
>comics
kek
>>83296210
Like Michael Uslan, who teaches comics at a university. Dude, wise-up, there's historians for barbie as well.
>>83296078
>Ditko calls Stan out over origin similarities
>changes origin
>keeps all the powers including spidey-sense
>changes web-gun to web-shooter
"All the concepts were mine"
-Stan Lee
>>83296090
yeah no i'm not, you're saying that to prove a stupid invalid point
lrn2read friendo
i never once brought up spider-man
and never once claimed kirby had zero to do in creation, also never even brought up ditko
so you sir are the liar, and you're misrepresenting kirby and ditko as well as stan lee. you're what's wrong with these situations, you change the story and then claim others are liars and frauds.
>>83296373
>Ditko calls Stan out over origin similarities
I'm pretty sure Ditko never claimed to have done this. He just decided to change certain elements to suit his style. It's pretty well established that he changed the web gun to a web shooter, and the half-mask to a full face mask. I certainly dispute the claim that Lee came up with all the concepts, he flatters himself. Kirby had already come up with an ide for a sort of "sixth sense" for his Fly character, so you're right there.
But think about it this way. Does it make sense that Lee would see that Kirby was doing a project he came up with, and just decide to give it to Kirby? Lee, I think, was less creating a character than commissioning a work of art, and when he asked for a Spider-themed teenager, because he wanted to write for one, Kirby used elements of something he had thought of before. He gave the project to Ditko, and Ditko made the figure we all know and love, complete with web-shooters.
If I credit Lee with anything, I think it would be safe to say he came up with an idea for a character named "Spider-Man", and probably the name "Peter Parker". Most likely elements of his origin story too, Lee was into that kind of character drama stuff.
So if the question of "Who came up with the original idea for "Spider-Man", the question becomes what the "original idea" and "which idea we're referring to". Kirby had already played around with Spider-Themed superheroes before Lee decided he wanted one, but those were those heroes, and ultimately only affected the elements that Kirby contributed, which were a few, but many of them overruled, and only at the beginning.
>>83296373
several times before he's credited others and said he considers them his, because he was the head of the company. he was editorial and gave final say on everything. he asked for certain things to change and be created, the ideas weren't all his but he pieced together the marvel u.
it's like the disney thing. his name shouldn't be on any of the characters because he didn't draw them, well he put the company together and the artist agreed to work for it. at least stan lee gives them credit as co-creators.
it's like people looking back at all star superman and saying morrison stole everything from frank quiently because he obviously didn't draw a single page.
do people not get collaborative efforts?
if kirby where alive you know he'd be in the movies too
Why did DC steal Captain Marvel from Marvel and make her a man?
>>83292701
>flash and quicksilver
give me one similarity besides speed.
>>83296856
>Why did DC steal Captain Marvel from Marvel
That's not how you spell "Fawcett Comics"
>>83296947
That's not Carol
>>83297034
I got the joke the first time, you don't need to stretch it out.
>>83297065
What joke?
>>83292701
>>thanos and darkseid
You got those mixed up, also it should read
>>Darkseid and Thanos and Mongol
Also heard that Apocalypse was a Mongol knock off, not sure how well that holds up though. Would be hilarious if true.
>>83292701
I'd say Moon Knight probably owes more to the Shadow than Batman outside of the superficial stuff. Of course, no one ever comments on Batman being a Shadow knockoff himself.
>>83293218
The creators of the Supes knockoffs weren't going for "generic superhero" though, they were going for Supes.
>>83297237
>Darkseid and Thanos and Mongol
>Also heard that Apocalypse was a Mongol knock off, not sure how well that holds up though.
all four are the same character type done differently
big, strong, glowing eyes, serious, bald, bad, ugly mug
>>83297442
>all four are the same character type done differently
>big, strong, glowing eyes, serious, bald, bad, ugly mug
I mean if we're just talking about their visual representation, yeah.
>>83293702
>yellow
Lanturn loses
>>83298795
in this instance i am, they look so much alike
>>83299495
With Starlin at least, there was a bit of acknowledgement that his visuals were very new Gods Kirby influenced. Apocalypse, I'm not sure. He basically resembles Mutant Darkseid, but I never heard anyone mention that they took Darkseid as their starting point.
Is Marvelman/Miracleman a ripoff Captain Marvel/Shazam?
>>83296052
Yes, for example Batman is a ripoff of the Shadow and the Phantom.
>>83294816
Lee says and has always been clear on the fact that he's a co-creator, which is true. If it wasn't for Lee, Spider-Man would have had pirate booties.
>>83295205
desu that sounds more like coincidence than stealing. It's not exactly unbelievable that two people coming up with simplistic superpowers would hit on the same one 6 years apart.
Using that to imply that the man is a thief and "certainly would take credit for another's creation" is a hack job. It's also correct for Stan Lee to say he came up with the concept of Spider-Man and farmed it out for the look - it's not like Ditko's objectivist interpretation stuck.
>>83295773
Anon he's not even wearing a mask or cracking wise, let alone themed like a spider. So what if >>83295460 never heard of 1958 classic movie THE FLY? Kirby obviously didn't remember what movies he ripped off. Why would his fans go looking for them?
>>83295419
>in one speech at Vanderbilt College Stan Lee failed to say something which he later expressly made clear... because he's dishonest! This proves everything he ever says is a LIE!
You're seriously a fucking faggot for this, anon. Get some critical thinking skills, ffs. So what if Stan's a showman? Kirby on his own never went anywhere. He ended up at DC after he argued with Marvel too many times, and look where that got him - screwed.
>muh New Gods
They're deviantart tier and you know it.
>>83301207
Legally no because there was no challenge on the copyright of Captain Marvel in the UK before the statutory limit ran out.
Technically? Sure, it was made to continue publishing after the Captain Marvel stories ran out.
>>83299912
Did Kirby ever acknowledge that Darkseid was just a refinement of the Psycho-Man concept he and Lee came up with together?
>>83302263
>defending Stan Lee
marvelcucks are parodies of human beings
>>83292041
>Have you not seen shit made by Extreme Studios?
ftfy
>>83290574
I always loved anon's idea of X-Men ripping off Superman's powers. Strength, flight, eye beams and frost breath,
No idea where telekinesis comes in, though.
>>83290536
Catwoman - Black Cat.
Deathstroke - Deadpool
Green Arrow - Hawkeye
Superman - Dozens of Marvel characters
Darkseid - Thanos
Aquaman - Namor
>>83305701
Joker - Green Goblin/Carnage
