No marvel. YOUR wrong. He won't be hydra. #NotMyCap
>>83195132
Of course he's not Hydra, this will either be explained or retconned within a year.
>>83195158
I hope
>>83195132
>YOUR wrong
One job...
>>83195183
He's right, he's not referring to "my wrong" or "their wrong" he is referring to the wrong possessed by you; ergo, "your wrong"
>>83195183
You are*
>>83195132
huh...so that's where the speech from EMH came from
>>83195174
If you think it's anything less than an absolute certainty, you must be new to Big 2 comics. The status quo trumps all.
>>83195132
MY CAP IS PURE, DAMMIT!
FUCK YOU, HACKVEL
>>83195284
I think it's a 1 percent certainty
>>83195132
Man, I hope that he says this thing again.
But for Hydra against other heores.
Hell, it would be great if he said the same about that "do you think that this "A" is from Franc?" too. I want my nazi Cap to parody everyone of his famous speechs for the sake of irony.
The butthurt would be trully GORGEOUS.
Seeing moviefags on the twitter whine like little bitches is already fun as hell, while every people who read a single comic on their life knows that this is temporary.
#GiveIcemanAGirlfriend
#GiveSpeedballBalls
#GiveMeTheFormuoli
>>83195174
You hope? YOU KNOW, you fag. Stop acting like this is a big deal.
>>83195409
You can't tell me how to feel anon
>>83195132
RMEMBER HIM
>>83195338
>Did you think this A stands for America?
>It actually stands for 'Ail Hyda! because of my accent
>>83195429
Shut up Tumblr
>>83195471
>Adolf
>Auschwitz
>Anschluss
>>83195447
I will never forget
>>83195132
>When your fanbase asks you to make your character gay to satisfy their boy-on-boy fetish, but you make him Hydra to satisfy your Nazi fetish
>>83195761
>Achtung
Hydra is right
the world is a sick degenerate hell hole
Captain America wins and hydra takes over the world turning it into Leave to Beaver.
>>83195338
>OP's speech, word for word, since it can be used for anything
>"Do you think this 'A' stands for America?"
>"It stands for 'Aryan'"
I concur, would be fant4stic
>>83195174
It's gullible schmucks like you that allow marvel to keep making stupid shit like this
>>83195132
fixed it for ya, old chap
>>83195911
Someone need to edit these right now.
>>83195158
This this this. Has anyone outraged over the Hydra thing even fucking read a comic book before? Hydra Cap is 2016's electric blue Kool-Aid Superman.
>>83195732
Suck a dick /pol/
>>83195962
>Not just using the classic Edit of "the holocaust never happened"
4/10, you tried
>>83196089
No you suck it fucking Trans
>>83196113
Grow some balls faggot
>>83196101
what? Hail Hydra is the hot shit now...
>>83196214
The longer people scream nazi at people they don't like, the less they'll shrink away from the label
>>83195174
Superior Spiderman was a more believable permanent shift in the status quo.
>>83196214
>replying to every post in the thread
>>83196214
Thats what Tumblr would say
>>83196275
I AM TUMBLR. IT WAS ME ANON
>>83196270
Superior Spider-Man lasted for a year, which was way fucking longer than it needed to, and had plenty of people at Marvel saying it would last for like 5 years.
Marvel would have to be out of their fucking mind to try make this last more than 3 issues.
>>83195962
ya cheeky cunt...
What gets me about all of this is that EVERYONE is mad.
Liberals, Conservatives, 4chan, Reddit, Tumblr, comic fans, movie fans, fucking everyone.
I have never seen something so despised universally.
>>83197051
I'm not
I'm laughing at everyone who's getting mad
>>83197106
same here
>>83197106
>>83197124
We get it, you're not a sheep. You're such a special snowflake. Nothing ever bothers you.
You know whats more annoying that outraged people? People smugly stating how unaffected they are. It's like a vegan who wont shut up about being a vegan. No one cares.
>>83197051
I'm more upset at how well this is going to sell. I hope I'm wrong and people don't buy it but I doubt it.
>>83197172
If people had any integrity then everyone mad about this wouldn't buy any issues in Captain America: Steve Rogers run.
>>83197171
This isn't a "THE ONLY SIDE WORTH A DAMN IS NEITHER"
It's a "I don't care about this thing, but I like laughing at people who get really mad at things"
Calm your tiddies, you'll have your cap back against eventually
>HYDRA IS A BUNCH OF NAZIS
I fucking hate the MCU.
>>83197171
Not him, buuuuut I'm just saying that what would have make you mad is the patethic click bait-style story tellingand he Marvel an their press treated it.
Not the shitty twist. It's normal for things like that to happen on comics. Cap was a fucking werewolf for fucks sake. We are just saying for YOU to don't get mad and enjoy this ride.
I dunno, I actually wanna buy a comic for once because of this shit. Along with the other thing of Captain America teaming up with Red Skull. Seems awesome.
>>83195132
>doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right
Who the fuck are you to disagree with the will of the majority? Who died and gave this faggot some privileged insight into The Moral "Truth"™? From where does he rationally justify this stubborn indignation? What makes him different from any edge lord supervillain who just thinks "DUDE everyone's blind and corrupt because they have different values than me LMAO"?
You'd think this faggot would be all for democracy.
>>83197357
RED SKULL IS GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
>>83195398
>#GiveMeTheFormuoli
>>83197171
We get it, you're a sheep. You're a hypersensitive bandwagoner. Everything triggers you.
You know what's more annoying than smug unaffected people? Outraged people getting offended that others aren't validating their whining. It's like a retard who won't shut up about being a retard. No one cares.
>>83197171
>You know whats more annoying that outraged people? People smugly stating how unaffected they are
What a shame, faggot
Keep crying, I'll keep laughing at you
>>83195132
>>83197607
/co/ help
america man has given me flashbacks to the nazi ovens even though he's not real and I'm not jewish
>>83195132
>getting buttmad over obvious publicity stunt
>hashtag activism
all casuals should be gassed
>>83195398
Nice try Plankton
>>83197630
>President Red Skull
Surprised this happened yet. Hell, if Trump gets elected they'll probably make it the next event
>>83195132
Thats like, the most nazi like speech steve ever gave
>>83200454
>nazi-like
Quantify this.
I didn't see any statements regarding the values of national socialism or the everlasting reign of the third reich.
huh, I guess it's not that nazi-like at all.
>>83196214
Here, have a (You).
>>83200527
>Quantify this.
>I didn't see any statements regarding the values of national socialism or the everlasting reign of the third reich.
kek
"This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — "No, you move."
That's pure Nationalism, that quote has been called fascist, nationalistic and irrational by a lot of people in this board for YEARS, only dumbass burgers never got how fucking irrational it was. Pure american exceptionalism.
>>83195132
exactly the kind of speech a nazi would give
>>83200720
>Nationalism = natsoc
>That quote
>Facism
> only dumbass burgers never got how fucking irrational it was. Pure american exceptionalism.
Glad to know that the whole thread can just ignore you, then. I'll watch as you sputter and stagger for another post or two about dem ebil burgers while equating opposing political ideologies when you clearly haven't graduated high school social studies yet.
>>83200720
>That's pure Nationalism, that quote has been called fascist, nationalistic and irrational by a lot of people in this board for YEARS, only dumbass burgers never got how fucking irrational it was. Pure american exceptionalism.
Yes, but how is that a 'nazi-like' quote when it's unrelated to nazi-ism?
Just painting shit with buzzwords when you don't understand what they are. Pure kek.
>>83197630
Well, Red Skull was once Secretary of Defense...
>>83195447
>The bullies are the filthy kikes btw
>>83201033
>Yes, but how is that a 'nazi-like' quote when it's unrelated to nazi-ism?
You really dont know shit.
If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower.
It shall always be only a fraction of the people who stand out as truly active fighters, and more is expected from them than from the millions of their fellow countrymen. For them, the mere pledge of "I believe" is not enough, but rather the oath: "I fight!"
We want this people to be peace-loving but also courageous, and you must therefore be peace-loving and at the same time courageous. We do not want this people to grow soft, but we want it to be hard so that it will be able to withstand the hardships of life. And for this you have to harden yourselves in your youth. You must learn to be hard, to stand privations without breaking down. We want this people to love honor and you already in the days of your youth must live up to this concept of honor.
Remain strong in your faith, as you were in former years. In this faith, in its close-knit unity our people to-day goes straight forward on its way and no power on earth will avail to stop it.
OP's quote is pretty nazi.
Okay, so Cap was a Hydra double agent.
Saved the world and thwarted Hydra's plans countless times, sure. Meaning his mission superseded those.
What exactly was he after? If he revealed himself, then the mother of all opportunities must have presented itself. What was it, /co/?
>>83201711
>All this garbage over nothing but not actually equating the nazis to the quote
That's great, but that isn't the original quote, nor does it make the quote a 'nazi' quote.
Get triggered harder, idiot. I'm sure if you swap some words around it'll be like something hitler himself said. But only if you swap some words around and pretend really hard.
>>83195132
Millar's Captain MURIKA from Civil War is the worst possible example, besides Ultimate also from Millar.
>>83201711
How can you spend several paragraphs saying absolutely fucking nothing?
You'd think the time to reveal he was Hydra all this time would of been after he was given the Infinity Gauntlet.
I'd guess the Hydra thing was a backstory cooked up by himself to make him the ultimate undercover agent for some mission, and SHIELD altered the past reality with that cosmic cube thingy.
>>83195338
I don't understand how it being temporary is supposed to make it less retarded
>>83205454
People act like there's never been a 'good turns bad' storyline before. It's probably the oldest storyline in all comics. You people are fucking idiots.
>>83205781
This isn't a "good turns bad" storyline though. This is Captain fucking America. He's a whole different breed of animal.
>>83205805
It's a story about Captain America turning to Hydra. They're the bad guys. It'll take a maximum of five issues for one of the satellite heroes to figure out how to remove the Red Skull's brainwashing.
I bet you thought Captain America was going to be dead forever after he got shot too didn't you?
>>83203530
It's clearly a racist statement. It's something that the EDF or PEGIDA or the KKK would say.
>>83205781
I'm betting this is a Enemy of The state knockoff with Captain America instead of Wolverine
>>83205781
I'm still not seeing how this makes it not shit. Care to explain?
>>83205927
So you went from Natsoc to racist.
Do you even know what you are on about anymore or is it just throwing buzzwords at the wall to see what sticks at this point?
>>83205805
He's been evil before you useless fucking idiot.
>>83206043
This.
>>83206235
Explain why it's shit.
The butthurt over fictional america man going through an average 'good-turns-evil' storyline is both hilarious that so many people are biting and horrifying about how many newfags we have.
>>83206235
The point isn't that it's shit, of course it's shit, it's rehashed same old plot. What i was getting at is people's insane reaction to it
>>83203944
Wasn't that retconned
>>83206295
Probably in the sense every other idiot on /co/ has a problem with that quote.
If you take it out of context and pretend a Nazi said it, it'd be condoning Nazism.
>>83206369
Maybe they just don't like the cliche and don't trust Spencer to make an overused cliche interesting.
>>83206637
>If you take it out of context and pretend a Nazi said it, it'd be condoning Nazism.
That's why it makes no sense to me. If you take it out of context and say a Nazi said it, then a Nazi said it. But a Nazi didn't say it, it has nothing to do with nazis, and didn't even reference Hydra in the first place.
I just have a problem with people trying to paint it as omg-nazis because it's just more smearing. People ignoring the fact that Captain America isn't real, isn't a nazi, didn't even talk about nazis, but fuck are they going to call him one anyway. Then they'll call the writer a nazi just for good measure.
The 'everything is Hitler' smearing needs to stop. It's just name-calling at the same level as calling someone a faggot.
I don't get it.
Captain America was literally created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby to FIGHT NAZIS!
Now he's a Nazi and random people are accusing Steve of being a Nazi?!
All this shit is dumb. Marvel, what are you doing?!
>>83207098
It's a typical cliche where a hero is revealed to be a villain or double agent of sorts. Usually some form of ruse.
Marvel is taking this overused plot and they plugged a tweet/review that made this sound like a world changing event and let it leak. Ontop of a movie being out and#makeCapdoAnal trending this got normies attention. Normies being deathly allergic to comics are apparently unaware that this is an overdone cliche and therefore making a big deal out of nothing.
The Red Skull has mind control powers these days.
MYSTERY SOLVED.
The amount of durp in /co/ these days is shameful.
God /co/ really loves sucking Marvels dick.
This reminds me so much of the ASM 700 apologists.
>b-b-b-but he'll be back within a year
It doesn't change a thing, /co/. It doesn't change a thing.
>>83203394
>>83203530
Those are several different quotes you fucking idiots
>>83208294
When do we get to see ghost Cap watching Red Skull Cap be a better hero than him while trying to fuck a midget?
first leaked image from IW part one
>>83195284
Marvel haven't really had a stable status quo since Avengers Dissembled.
>>83196462
If they're keeping Thor as a woman, don't put it past them to make Steve a Hydra agent.
Although they probably wont because SJWs.
>>83195132
Why you don't want a gay nazi? respect the diversity
First they make captain america black, and now they make the white one a nazi.
Ok.
>>83209025
Wilson as Cap was only natural imo. Making Cap a Hydra agent makes no sense in any universe.
>>83209131
Sure it does, it's likely going to be a weak bait and switch.
Like Steve was brainwashed or it's an Alternate Steve or something gay like that.
>>83208999
Steve is gay now?
>>83195132
Im on my phone.
I FUCKING DEMAND SOMEONE EDIT THAT LAST PART OF HIS SPEECH BUBBLE TO "HAIL HYDRA".
I love this
>>83209290
it's what the SJW wanted and now are triggered with this
>>83195132
>#NotMyCap
Correct, he's Marvel's Cap and they can do whatever the fuck they want with him.
>>83195132
The funny thing is all the people taking to social media with their butthurt are only cementing the decision to make Cap a not-Nazi. People who work for Marvel have said they intentionally do things to make people angry because it increases publicity and sales. By tearing your hair out and screaming I'M SAD, I'M MAD, I'M OFFENDED! you are only going to make them take this even further.
And honestly? I hope they do because this whole debacle is hilarious.
They finally managed to get on Bru's nerves.
>>83200720
Go clean up your shit filled pools, yuropoor.
>>83205454
So, now that it's happened in one story, you don't care if they just run with it forever and make Cap a villain (or reveal that they've been bought out by real life neonazis)?
>>83207268
Actually it's a particularly good example of capeshit being shit as it always has, and decent people with good taste are taking the opportunity to hold it up and try to shake the stupid out of all of you
>>83211211
>/tv/ eats their own
>>83209504
This is it. Nobody doubts it. But it is still a cheap as fuck shock value tactic to boost their crappy sales, the way they presented it. So fuck them, they well deserve the hate they're getting.
>>83195132
Holy fucking shit. I always try to come back to /co/ and you guys are always shit. This is all the same shit being posted on tumblr. Guess what slutlord? I'm Jewish and Captain America being HYDRA is the least offensive "this hero is actually/is now going to be..." retcon in a while. Let the fucking story play out dipshit, it'll most likely be explained in the next couple issues and everything will be back to normal. If not, I'd still much rather read the adentures of Ubermencsh America than all new all gay _____ or all new all black _____ or all new all girl ____.
>>83195132
I feel like the next logical thing is for every comic to begin actively insulting the reader by having characters break the fourth wall once or twice per issue.
Imagine it; after Cap is no longer a Nazi, the next arc begins with him turning to face the reader in a splash page and just saying
>"Good work soldier! You bought this book like the obiediant little faggot you are. It's probably even on your pull list. You're going to talk about it online too and boost my circulation through the roof and I can repeat this speech to every little bitch who sees this page, all because of you. I am in fact insulting you in this very page but you will STILL do it. You're probably not even going to drop me from the pull list even, maybe pick up the trade when it comes out too if you're into that."
And then that's it.
That's the issue, it ends in that page.
The hype generated would be enormous, the rage overwhelming, the amount of web traffic and attention drawn would be huge, and Marvel would thrive off the controversy and anger and increased sales.
>>83195284
>>83195409
>>83195921
>>83206369
>lel newfags, real readers know this isn't a big deal
It's BECAUSE of fucktards like you who enable them that they keep pulling stupid shit like this. I've been reading for a decade and i'm still mad as fuck whenever they waste comics with stupid fucking bullshit like this.
>they'll return to status quo
So, in a sense, it's even worse, cause either they fundamentally ruin an icon character, or they waste a ton of comics which in the end amount to nothing, wasting everyone's time and money.
>>83195132
That speech is exploitable as fuck.
>>83211922
>wasting everyone's time and money.
And how would it have been a good use of time and money?
Get your head out of your ass, more then 99% of the comics stories are "wastes of time and money", that end with the restoration of the status quo and the bad guy defeated
Currently we have Cap that says he's a member of Hydra, so what? It's not the first time this happened to him and basically all the important characters of comics, both from DC and Marvel, have spent some time under mind control, swap of souls or shit like that
The purpose of a comic book is to entertain and make you have fun, and if they're able to do so they have not been a waste of time or money?
Will this saga be worth it? Who knowsmost likely not, but for sure no one will know until the last chapter will come out
>writer tries something different with Cap using a major plothook to give "profound" (This is Marvel we're talking about here) twists in order to garner an emotional response
>HOW DARE THEY DO THIS DO THEY NOT KNOW WHO THE ORIGINAL WRITERS WERE?!
>IM GOING TO PUT WORDS IN DEAD PEOPLE'S MOUTHS TO SHOW HOW OUTRAGED I AM ABOUT THIS
Fucking Red Son didn't have a fucking peep about Superman being a fucking Communist and is critically acclaimed. But the second you have a storyline where Steve is blatantly brainwashed the whole fucking world screams HOLOCAUST.
I am so fucking sick and tired of the fucking Holocaust crap.
Federal Funding on Abortion has led to Cap revealing that he cheated on his SATS. Thing is shocked and appalled.
This somehow created an alternate dimension, and Rogue fights with Deadpool over their philosophical differences. All the Marvel villains team up to take down the heroes and, in the process, succeed in killing Mister Immortal (for 10 seconds)
This killing of Mr. Immortal undoes the events of the 2015 Secret War (and the Ultimate Universe returns) and causes The Spot to be hit by gamma radiation (during a fight with SPider-man) that leads to him becoming the Spotted Hulk.
It is then revealed that the instigator of all this trouble was the marketing team of a corporation from the Beyonder race. The tide is turned when Scott Lang, after hearing his daughter Cassie cry out for help wields the Infinity Gauntlet, and summons the Watcher to save Humanity throughout multiple universes.
After 4 issues of battles, evil somehow stilltriumphs. The following changes are permanent:
The Avengers are rebanded, this as the Superior Avengers
The Xmen move town (with Deadpool) to a new Universe, where the only type of superpwoered people are mutants, and there are no Avengers.
Silver Surfer wins the Cosmic Lottery and gets a trip back to the restored Zenn-La
and Nick Fury buys a nice cute puppy. A pug.
>>83208294
Why is Froppy so cuteShe should be in Marvel
>>83212675
To be fair, Red Son is an elseworld story, so it wouldn't have affected the normal Superman in any way
Not saying that their bitching is anything other then retarded, but what you proposed is a false equivalence
I STILL don't get why people are so fucking salty about this.
It's a fucking gimmick, retards. They figured they should change something to make it different.
Jesus christ you all played right into their hands.
Please...it involves the Red Skull running HYDRA. This is a guy whose name is synonymous with the Cosmic Cube, the reality-altering McGuffin of choice for the 616 for about 50 years and running. Dude probably sent that flapper girl back in time personally to rewrite Cap's timeline and it finally caught up to him while he was in the plane with Selvig.
Personally, I wanna see where this goes next, see how right I am.
