>This is what happens when the original values for which Captain America stood – American pride and patriotism, defense of Constitutional freedom – become unpopular with the left. They either have to convert Cap to leftism, or make clear that he was the villain all along. Because America must either be converted to leftism, or it was the villain all along. As Brevoort says, “Captain America, because he’s draped head to toe in the flag, has more of a larger, more symbolic meaning than many other characters. In an allegorical fashion, you want to make his adventures about where America and where the world is.”
>Of course, the left can’t play this game indefinitely. It turns out that most Americans don’t like the idea of a patriotic Captain America as a Hydra villain. They don’t believe America is historically evil. They don’t believe patriotism is inherently evil, or that pointing out threats of benighted cultures makes you a Nazi. And they’re not going to keep patronizing movies or comics in which the bad guy is America, or in which traditional good guys become bad guys just by virtue of remaining loyal to their principles.
Fucking hate it when today's politics have be forced into comic books.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6060/why-marvel-wants-make-captain-america-bad-guy-ben-shapiro#pq=vUCCs7
STOP MAKING COMICS AND STICK TO THE MOVIES
>>83187313
>America is historically evil
Well, it is.
>>83187313
>Why Marvel Wants To Make Captain America The Bad Guy
Because they knew that it'd be a bigger topic of discussion than DC Rebirth. And you fucks took the bait.
>>83187313
>Fucking hate it when today's politics have be forced into comic books.
Welcome to Marvel comics.
Are people really this stupid to waste time writing thinkpieces about something that will last maybe 3 issues max? Jesus Christ, I hate normies
>>83187313
>hey either have to convert Cap to leftism,
Convert? Steve Rogers was a skinny art student that lived in a city and was on welfare. All he needs is a manbun or pube beard and he'd be a 21st century hipster.
>>83187399
Jesus fuck, this.
I can't believe this. I'm honestly astonished things have gotten this far. This is the most blatantly comic book-y cliffhanger I've seen in awhile.
And what's worse is people will be claiming that they made Marvel change their minds when the story is over. Like that wasn't the plan from the start. Actually, I could see the story lasting even longer now thanks to all this publicity.
>>83187399
This. It's just baffeling if you actually ever read comics in your life.
I mean a few months back, Falcon was Captain America and he got turned into a werewolf. But you didn't see a lot of think pieces about that.
>>83187313
This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with creating a controversy so people who don't normally give a fuck about comics would talk about it.
Like you're doing. Right here. Right now.
>>83187313
But thats the thing. Captain america is left. He hates when america overstretchs its boundries in concern of totalitarionism and racism, and believes in an equal and just utopia.
>>83187494
>>83187528
movies were a mistake
Where did everyone get the idea that comics were conservative tracts? Cap was already pretty fucking Leftist by merit that he was typically written by Liberals. Why is it every faggot who doesn't read comics thinks this? Be it some SJW who thinks a white hero stands for White Supremacy or a Conservative who flips their shit every time a writer fists a ham into a character's mouth?
>>83187585
at best he is a centrist moderate unless you can show me any kind of evidence that he is class conscious and willing to criticize any bourgeois body politic
Why do Americans have such an epidermic perception of politics and political systems? I mean, is it because they are governed by corporations or are they governed by corporations because of it?
>>83187532
>slavery and oppression, suppressing workers rights
Guess every country that has ever existed is historically evil, huh.
>>83187313
Well, fiction has always been an extension of the contemporary fears and worries. So making Rogers an UBERSMENTCH HAIL HYDRA ANSCHLUSS OF AUSTRIA BEST DAY OF MY LIFE does make sense, but it is still rather sad nonetheless, as the world nowadays is a pile of shit and we don't need more cynics.
>>83187532
I agree with everything you say except about retiring captaib america and superman. Itd be better and easier just to rewrite them for the modern times, rather then making them evil or written out completly.
>>83187624
i read comics. i think captain america and superman are/can be statist and capitalist propaganda
>>83187494
>Actually, I could see the story lasting even longer now thanks to all this publicity.
Don't say stuff like this because it will happen and I don't want it to happen
>>83187399
>>83187494
Marvel saw an opportunity and pushed the hell out of it so people would ignore DC Rebirth, which might actually tip the scales a little away from 46 different Avengers teams and Deadpool books.
>>83187382
yuropoor detected
>>83187652
as long as it is unwilling to change, or accepts free trade deals, yes. exploitative work practices diminish the human condition and are a threat to genetic health because stress carries over to sperm and affects fetuses in the womb
>>83187682
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>>83187652
Well.....Great Men are rarely good men is a popular quote for a reason
>>83187683
They didn't even push it that hard though, it came out and people lost their fucking minds.
>>83187731
>/co/'s meme magic is just keeping Stan Lee alive and making shitty storylines happen
No sir I don't like this
>>83187313
>Fucking hate it when today's politics have be forced into comic books.
This is the character who literately started out punching Hitler. His name is Captain fucking AMERICA. Like, you can't make Captain America unpolitical. Hell, Marvel has always been political like that to a much bigger extant than any other comics, why do you think X-Men and Iron Man were so successful in the 60's and 70's?
>>83187383
But this is the truest answer.
>>83187313
>Fucking hate it when today's politics have be forced into comic books.
Politics have been a staple diet of the franchise since at least the Steve Englehart era, but the different between then and now is that they didn't try to force feed it to you. "Subtlety" is the key here
>>83187532
Hey look at the literature major, guys.
>>83187674
they're decades old. move on. they certainly shouldn't be crowding out x-men who are old but still younger.
>>83187313
>it's the first issue in a story arc
>ISSUE #1
It's like people don't like reading or seeing where the story goes
>>83187708
But it is.
anyone who thinks otherwise is a retard.
>>83187683
Too late to affect initial comics orders though. Will be interesting to see if the late orders show up in the June sales charts. Same with Rebirth I guess given Wally's return/Watchmen and the fact that anecdotally it seems like shops under-ordered there.
>>83187765
actually i only have a 2 year degree and got diplomas from two different technical colleges and am unemployed. not that it's any of your business
>>83187625
I thought he hated any overbearing political entity, including the rich?
>>83187740
With the current Trump atmosphere, it's not surprising.
>capitalism = evil
10/10 bait, got me to reply
>>83187313
>making Cap evil because libshits think America is evil
>literally squandering the reputations of your company's legends to appeal to your cancerous fanbase
Now THIS is a sure-fire way to get votes for Trump
>>83187815
can you prove it? i've never seen that anywhere.
>>83187806
So you're not only an ignorant fuckwit parading around in a Che shirt but you're a general fucking failure at life.
>>83187313
Any time someone unironically mentions "the left" or "the right" you can immediately discount their argument. If an author isn't lazy, they will address specific issues without needing to create a monolithic strawman to serve as their opponent.
TSUJ
>>83187313
Cap actually supporting hydra is about as likely as jon snow actually being dead. Its so painfully obvious that its not true and is only a cliffhanger that my brain hurts.
The fact people actually take this seriously makes me lose faith in humanity.
>>83187837
The people that complain about capitalism the loudest live off it the most.
>>83187768
No fuck you. I hate this ressurgance of cunts who want to kill age old characters. I say if a large ammount of people still lile then, then keep them. Fuck the cynics!
>That feeling when I honestly hope they stick with this story and someone has to kill Cap.
You can't tell me that wouldn't be a good read.
>>83187678
>dat pic
just like bush, amirite XD
Bush is a faggot and his wars were a shame but I fucking hate this condescending faux subversive writing. Especially when the problem is "solved" by Superman punching really, really hard. And by "solved" I mean to destroy the opposition because Superman is like an old geezer who still want to be cool
>>83187383
Rebirth wasn't announced when they were planning all this out though
There were seeds of this in Standoff which they've probably been planning since 2015, and Rebirth wasn't even teased until late January, let alone the explanation of what it was, the books, and the creative team.
They planned evil Cap to coincide with the movie, just like they did Civil War 2, for making maximum attention, anger, and #1 money. Making it a bigger topic than Rebirth is just a bonus.
>>83187890
I really doubt that.
>>83187837
a paraphrase of karl marx on commodity fetishism:
1) imagine that 1 jacket = 20 yards of wool
well we've already got a propositional fallacy because that value could change arbitrarily AND it takes out the context of human labor
2) imagine now, that 1 jacket equals one bale of hay, and that 2 bales of hay equal one iron bar.
now imagine that this preliminary expression exists for ALL products on the planet. if ONE thing of value changes, then ALL expressions of comparison between commodities change. this means that the value of any good is completely unstable.
3) now add currency to the situation. yes it may be more convenient to use it, but all it has done is abbreviate the propositional fallacy, lack of context of human labor, and unstable value expressions. this doesn't solve the problem
4) inflation
as you can see, there are at least 4 layers of fallacious reasoning going on here that provide ample opportunity for graft. this isn't even about the LIBOR scandal, or the bailout
money isn't even real. it's created out of nothing by a privately owned bank called the federal reserve.
capitalism is weak, unstable, and oppressive
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/greenspan-wanted-housing_n_560965.html
>>83187900
https://twitter.com/JimZub/status/730251331114434560
Zemo might be back in hero mode soon, but I don't see how Spencer is the one to get him there given how poorly he has written him.
>>83187313
Someone post that screenshot of that marvel editor or writer who said they intentionally make fans angry to sell comics. You faggots need to stop being surprised by this stuff and drop cape shit altogether
>>83187313
>dailywire
Into the trash it goes.
>>83187858
no, i'm pointing out that people are always harping about the STEM field and few are hiring
i don't wear che shirts. is that the "in" stereotype that kids these days are using to make fun of leftists?
>>83187837
Capitilism is evil, but a socialism capitlist hybrid is the godtier political system.
>>83187890
Fuck off you redneck bitch. Those cheating theieving 1% deserve to be bleed dry of their illgotten wealth and beaten to death.
>>83187857
I cant fucking prove it, okay. I just know that because thats the general fucking auroa of the characters beliefs you chucklefuck bitch.
>>83187862
take the political compass test
>>83187940
>Inflation never happens outside of capitalism!
>Human labor is "context"
It doesn't matter how much labor goes into something if it has no practical or social use. You can't force people to want things based solely on the amount of work that goes into creating them. All value is arbitrary, that has nothing to do with capitalism.
Ditch the Che shirt and read a book or five.
I hate to agree with /co/mblr but this is mostly just a cheap cash grab rather than a deeply ideological push against the constitution by comics
>>83188004
>chucklefuck
lol anon, i wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you. calm down
>>83187652
Well, yeah.
Government IS violence.
And All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun.
It depresses the shit out of me when people follow the chain of rationality, land on anarchism as a sensible answer and then dismiss their own conclusion because they don't like it.
>>83187945
i think Zemo being goofy is also Red Skull fucking with reality
>>83187858
Chew a cyanide pill you cappie fuck. People shouldnt be allowed to have literal billions while most of america struggles to get by. It isnt right. Fuck your old world values, about if they "worked for it". Chances are, most of those bug business fuckers have cheated or stolen the wealth theyve got, just like the fucking criminals you bitch and complain about.
>>83187494
Kek it will be Whor all over again?
Man I just hope that they change all the classic Cap lines and make him saying the same thing but with Hydra and nazism.
It would e hilarious.
>>83187991
>these days
Try for the last couple decades.
>>83187991
It's not a new stereotype, and STEM fields are hiring. The problem is you're a moron.
>>83187625
In Cable & Deadpool, he called Cable's socialist utopia the "perfect realisation of the American dream."
>>83188069
the state is patently right wing. it is controlled by capitalists.
>>83188004
>Fuck off you redneck bitch.
Nice classism there buddy.
>>83187585
>He hates when america overstretchs its boundries
The why he wanted to slap japs and germans?
>>83188106
and i'll bet ancaps are the ones selling them
>>83187532
>liberals are not leftists, they are right of center laissez faire capitalists
They're all voting for Bernie so that makes this bullshit right from the get-go
>pride and patriotism are contingent upon justice, and the U.S., as a fascist empire, does more harm than good when instituting free trade/wage slavery and invading other countries over lies and false flag attacks
Red Scare aside, having the fat sheiks in the middle east sit on their oil and do nothing would choke the global economy into submission. The west took the oil so they could basically keep the Earth turning.
>the u.s. has always been leftist, and the will of the people has always been subverted with the exception of Theodore Roosevelt who broke up banks and FDR, a democratic socialist, who was re-elected 3 times
Andrew Jackson
>the u.s. is historically evil. slavery and oppression, suppressing workers rights, clan destine involvement in the 2nd part of the bolshevik revolution, IBM and the Holocaust, the list goes on
Every other country on the planet has practiced slaver and genocide; the US just did it better and more efficiently than everyone else.
>you hate today's politics because Captain America is forcing 1940s politics on the present time. it doesn't work, it's time to move on, and the same goes for Superman
Nice assumption there Tolstoy. If white people were more keen to 1940s politics as opposed to making everyone equal we wouldn't be in this situation with our kids deluding themselves into thinking other races can totes be friends with them and won't take advantage of them
>>83187763
>Punching actual Nazis
>Subtle
>>83188065
Sorry, im waiting in an office while typing this to get more antidepressents, while surronding by drooling retards, so im really pissy right now.
>>83188102
>People shouldn't be allowed.
It tickles me pink to see leftist shills scream and tantrum about shadow governments and puppet courts propped up by billionaires while supporting fascist drones to implement the same style of totalitarian thought control they constantly accuse everyone else of clandestinely supporting.
You're funny people, anon. Stupid, but funny.
>hurr fucking /pol/ I hate them so much
>let's have threads identical to theirs
sasuga /co/mblr
>>83188195
Stupid fucks are retards that support these over rich bastards. I dont give a shit if i have to kick you fucking bitch teeth in to shut you up. I want to live in the gloripus utopia promised to us in the atomic age, and im not letting over capilistic fucks like you prevent me from seeing that in my lifetime, no matter how many inbred hicks i have to kill.
>>83187890
I'm voluntarily homeless as a statement against American excess.
It is an interesting thing though and you almost have a point.
Not too long ago It sort of occurred to me both they and myself sort of Congregate around beacons of capitalism (hell im stealing wifi from a walmart to type this).
Theres some sort of commentary to be found there.
The down trodden huddling around monoliths to catch the run off of excess.
Its like a grimmer metaphor for the struggle of the working class.
>>83187788
go back to bending over for the muzzies, eurofag
>>83188172
how is sanders bullshit? he's critical of free trade deals just like trump
those "fat sheiks" in saudi arabia are wahabist, and the u.s. is the one that installed them.
andrew jackson, while defending the idea of national banks just like karl marx, was a rabid racist and oppressed native americans rather than built up an egalitarian society that valued both cultures
>every country has done x
tu quoque fallacy. not every country talked about equality either, and the u.s. is still having difficulty aspiring to it
white people in the 1940s voted for FDR, yet we don't see captain america talking about worker's rights. he's an anachronism against the 3rd reich which could not have logistically functioned without IBM, a u.s. corporation. we CAN be friends with other countries and other races, if it weren't for capitalist betrayals and identity politics that come from liberals and conservatives
>>83188264
"They" in this instance being other homeless who are not in their situation voluntarily.
Misspoke.
>>83187313
>They either have to convert Cap to leftism
They did that decades and decades ago, since when was Cap ever considered a conservative
>>83188259
>complaining about /comblr/
>being the weakest link of all boards and allowing literal SRS tier shit in the site since 2012
you deserve /comblr/ now deal with it
>>83188172
No, we shouldve stopped using oil cold turkey and reblled against the superrich into giving us alternative sources of energy that the capitlist fucks have been hiding for years. Shitheaded rednecks like you only care about your fucking monster trucks and bigmacs, while our fucking world is dying. I want to blow your degnerate brains out.
>>83187890
not my fault that cell phones and laptops never came with a warning about conflict minerals in the congo. i doubt seriously if there was a label on the device you're using right now that if it said "some minerals extracted from wartorn congo where the u.s. finances rape squads from Rwanda, Ugana and Burundi" that you'd still buy it.
to have a job and stay employed, you basically have to have a cell phone, and an overexpensive vehicle that is overproduced is also required to get by. it's a stupid process and everyone knows it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFzUbgpWNf8
>>83187940
>capitalism is evil!
>muh communism will save the world!
Capitalism is how the economical system on large scale settled itself naturally. Communism would never work outside of enclosed communities that prefer a life style of subsistence rather than progress
>>83187532
Hi Marvel
Economic systems alone are inadequate as an ideological foundation needed to build a civilization upon. All economic systems from capitalism to Marxism are inherently materialist and impose a mechanistic identity upon humanity that reduces their sense of meaning to that of a means of production.
The Left/Right political dichotomy is a false one. The true ideological divide in humanity is between Traditinalism and Modernism, and modernism inherently leads to the industrial exploitation of all people, attempts to foist a reductionist global identity upon us, and clearly marks the degeneration in quality of all human works and expression with the rise of quantity and waste in it's place. Traditionalism creates and maintains where Modernism consumes and burns through the earth
>a stupid marketing gimmick storyline is apparently american liberals' latest attempt to literally subvert american values because they hate freedom or something
>because cap has always been a conservative and never a liberal bleeding heart new deal democrat
>also antisemitism somehow
>even though this is blatantly obviously some kind of hypnosis or time travel bullshit
jesus christ, I never thought I'd say it, but:
fucking normies
>>83188417
it'd work if the u.s. stopped sabotaging it or supporting people who were clearly psycho
>>83187727
>threat to genetic health because stress carries over to sperm and affects fetuses in the womb
That is bullshit and you know it. Take your epigenetics theories and leave, that's not how germ cells work.
>>83188338
>>83188264
There's nothing complex or difficult to understand about it.The people that rant on and on about "Privilege", "Diversity", "Representation", "Homotransqueercatastereophosphoromysophobia" the loudest go on sites like Kotaku, The Mary Sue, Jezebel or Cracked, write down their agitprop into an article, slap a clickbait title to it and live off the revenue. Meanwhile, the truly disprivileged and oppressed are obviously going to be too busy living from hand to mouth to spend their days plugged to internet and make money off being Offended.
>>83188417
>Communism would never work outside of enclosed communities that prefer a life style of subsistence rather than progress
This is completly true, however capitilisam in its current amerixan form, where large corperations literally cintrol the givernment with lobbyists and bribes, is still completly flawed.
>>83188456
>mechanistic
you're projecting. uplifting the plebs is very humanistic. a greater future for everyone has plenty of subjective and aesthetic value.
you have it precisely backwards about traditionalism/modernism. modernism is not exploitative. traditionalism based on social hierarchies and maintaining the power of the ruling class it was divides humanity.
furthermore, the oldest tradition is mutual aid. without it, there would be no families.
>>83188456
Finally someone talking some sense. I don't think modernism is completely wrong though, it's more that there needs to be a balance between traditional and modern values in a society for it to truly prosper.
>>83188069
>anarchism
Go to Somalia, chucklefuck
>>83187313
>As Brevoort says, “Captain America, because he’s draped head to toe in the flag, has more of a larger, more symbolic meaning than many other characters. In an allegorical fashion, you want to make his adventures about where America and where the world is.”
Brevoort once said picture related.
Put it into context. This is about publicity. not politics.
>>83188644
>traditionalism based on social hierarchies and maintaining the power of the ruling class it was divides humanity.
Right, because in the So Progressive Age hierarchies and favor-brokering totally don't exist. Didn't Goobergait start precisely because all this "progressists" were running and profitting off their exclusive cabal in video games?
>>83188741
>>83187313
>Cap stands for Freedom, Justice and Truth
>These are bad things
Ok, what? these are things that both left and right, and absolutely any country, civilization and group ever, should strive to
>>83188416
Im inclined to agree with you.
The world has sort of built this environment in which you play by their rigged game or starve to fucking death.
But don't link to A college humor video, comrade. It makes you look like a colossal faggot.
Take your democratic choice. Take a scheme or starve.
https://youtu.be/k2ilMH3Ie08?t=4m26s
>>83188774
>>83188557
http://pregnancy.thesfile.com/fetal-origins/stress-impact-on-the-fetus/
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/14/3/753.full
>>83188004
>he wants natsoc revolution
>but he hates the working white poor
You're a weird faggot you know that?
>>83188456
>>83188673
>traditionalism
Stop trying to bring us back to the dark ages you paleo-conservative fucktards.
>patriotism is bad
>>83188794
>>83188774
>>83188741
So as you can see this discussion on politics means very little. It is just the cheap marketing that exists in comics driven by what the fans seemingly want.
People will complain. It will sell. It wil go back to a status quo. It will change. People will complain. Etc, etc ad infinitum.
>>83188682
>I don't know what anarchism is because my entire picture of it is colored by episodes of CSI or some other stupid shit also why can i stop sucking all these dicks
>>83188144
Japan attacke us and Germany declared war on us when we moved to retaliate. Have I taken bait?
>>83188644
Social hierarchies of Traditional civilizations did not levy oppression upon the lower classes from the higher classes. They liberated the aimless people and disparate populations of humanity from a life of toil and struggling only to survive. The hierarchy ensured that ones life was not defined by labor, and in fact the lower classes worked a mere fraction of the time people spend working in their lives today
>>83188645
colonial satellite. Balfour Declaration and Churchill's newspaper article "Zionism v. Bolshevism" was a hit piece to divide jews, to villainize the leftists and send zionists to palestine to make it jewish dominated. it was all an agenda of the crown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX62OpLggA&bpctr=1464298313
look up USS Liberty
Hamas was created by Israel
>>83188811
I like the middle class. The working white poor are degenerate redenecks that have been brainwashed by other retarded hicks who are richer them them into thinking they are deserving if their wealth, and that anyone who confronts them about their immoral practices are evil. They are, in lack of a better word, traitors to the common working man class. So eat shit you homophobic cross sucking fuck!
>>83188836
>Patriotism is good.
The sooner all borders are dissolved and humanity is living under one collective banner, the better. We need to be thinking beyond individual cultures or nations if we're ever to reach out to the stars.
>>83188682
anarchY is different than anarchISM
somalia has a violent social hierarchy. gang wars are a far right phenomenon. look up the difference between merovingian and carolingian times.
>>83188907
>humanity
>living under one collective banner
That's never gonna happen.
>>83188299
Sanders has a fraction of Trump's economic experience, plus he's another milquetoast faggot who wants to give my tax dollars to niggers who haven't worked a day in their lives
The middle east has been a developing region for entire millenia while the rest of the world is in the future. They've been sitting on a gold mine of natural resources but won't willingly out it with anyone because MUH HOLY LAND and their petty greivences with Israel
There's nothing to value about Indian culture. Humans don't need to 'respect nature;' when shit gets intolerable the Earth will change to handle it.
>>83187788
Anon, you're the retard. No, seriously, I think you might want to get yourself checked by a doctor for some kind of brain tumor.
If you seriously fucking thing that a state is capable of being "evil" or even "good" for that matter
I was going to insult you further by implying you were a manchild that only views the world in black and white, but we're on /co/ so I don't know what else I expected.
>>83188836
Ofcourse it is. Butnin my mind captain america represents a love of the ideals of freedom, not neccesarly one of the government.
>they make Red Skull into an american hero, and Cap into a nazi
Do it Marvel.
>>83188299
>Equality
>not a scam
>>83188931
Unless a common enemy appears, for example alien invasion, that's the sad truth.
>>83187532
All true and yet America is still a better option than Islam.
>>83188957
remove kebab fucking when?
I was with you but then -
Communism a shit.
Anarchy. Its like the agnosticism of politics.
You can act like a smug prick to everyone
>>83188906
So you admit that poor whites are oppressed victims of the upper classes that have been manipulated into not working across racial lines because the rich are terrified of a unified poor populace, but think the wisest course of action is to insult them and treat them like the enemy? What you're doing plays right into the hands of the elite establishment.
http://www.stirjournal.com/2016/04/01/i-know-why-poor-whites-chant-trump-trump-trump/
I strongly suggest reading this article, it might be enlightening.
>>83188789
objectively and instinctually, i can't/won't justify raising myself up at the expense of others if i have a choice. survival comes to organisms that can cooperate. this is especially true for vertebrates.
>>83188979
OZYMANDIAS DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!
>>83188783
>Freedom, Justice and Truth
>Good
Shut up, fascist.
>>83188907
>mfw a britbong was raped near me
>>83188999
Anything is a better option then islam or christianity, the problem is that christianity is rotted into american givernments like a cancer, and like a tumor must be pulled out in order for america to prosper.
>>83188979
natural disasters, disease, and famine are all common obstacles that could substitute for an enemy.
>>83188957
You motherfucker.
So John Cena finally turned Heel?
>>83188999
>islam
9/11 was an inside job. jet fuel can't melt steel beams and muslims will never secularize if you drop bombs on their civilians. stop acting like a petulant child
>>83189028
There inferior degenerates that must be cleansed. Just like kebab and ghetto filth.
>>83188936
Hey,that's hell you're walking into.
>>83188456
>All economic systems from capitalism to Marxism are inherently materialist and impose a mechanistic identity upon humanity that reduces their sense of meaning to that of a means of production.
Why is this bad? I for one would love to be part of a system of production; at least then I would have some sense of worth.
>>83188813
Modernism has only seen the decline of quality within all things truly and uniquely human. Modernism is the degeneration of the human identity
>>83189112
>muslims will never secularize if you drop bombs on their civilians.
They will if there exterminatted like the cockroachs they are.
>>83189108
BRAND SPLIT BRO
ROMAN VS CENA CONFIRMED FOR WM33
>>83188004
>I have the luck to start a successful business and that leads me into getting a lot of money
>my descendants should not be able to enjoy this money or continue my business because there are people who are poor
I've starved sometimes, I nearly went homeless once, but never have I thought "fuck rich people how dare them have money I don't". You know why? Because life is what you make of it. It doesn't matter how hard things get for you, it doesn't matter how easy the others have, it doesn't matter if life is unfair, because even if everything has gone to shit in your life, you're free to stand up and start over. You can build up your life into success. Stop caring about how good other people's lives are and give yourself a life you're happy with. Stop whining that everything is unfair and level yoir own game up to theirs.
Fucking children.
>>83189078
A natural disaster without volition or reason behind it won't stir any hatred in people.
>>83189142
You are just another cog in the machine that you claim to oppose.
>>83187313
>http://www.dailywire.com/news/6060/why-marvel-wants-make-captain-america-bad-guy-ben-shapiro#pq=vUCCs7
>ben-shapiro
Lmao I'm not clicking that..
By the way, from what you've posted, it's clearly obvious it's all wrong.
The only reason Marvel did this was in order to get publicity and hype and to boosts comic sales with this "new, shocking twist",
Not trying to devolve this already awful le /pol/ and le tumblr thread into a company war thread as well but it's just a response to DC's rebirth. It's just what two rival, companies do.
I expect this to be retconned by the beginning of July.
>>83189028
Actually, shit articles like this are the reason people are voting for Trump.
>>83189173
Human identitiy is bullshit. Id rather have no idea and have a robot sex slave and a holographic flat screen then live in a cave fucking a lover made from a pile of old shit.
>>83187532
>Implying Cap is for any of that shit.
Captain America stands for Liberty and Rights. He doesn't stand for US goverment.
>>83189179
hold on i can play that game too
if only japan had dropped nukes on the u.s., it would have saved lives
>>83189195
>Hurricane Katrina
>"Bush hates black people"
>>83187313
>DC makes Superman the bad guy in the movies
>most people fucking hate it
>Marvel made 3 Captain America movies where he's the good guy and completely BTFO the new Man of Murder movies
Yeah, Marvel definitely wants to make Cap the bad guy. I wish DC understood basic things about their characters.
>>83189157
>Why is this bad?
Because the fat cats running the show (CEOs and big bankers and lawyers) are by and large callous sociopaths running on cocaine. You can't trust people will want to play the long game. Imagine if the DM got bored five minutes into the game because it's not making them 100 billions shekels per second.
>>83189191
I want to bust your hick teeth in. They shouldnt be allowd jack shit with their entittled attitudes. Im not saying not to work for a living, but the economy system is fucked and needs a much redone overhaul.
>>83189195
exactly. working together to solve real world problems.
>>83188598
Which is why despite my extraordinarily far left politics I fucking hate tumblr and its kin.
There might be some /pol/tard horseshit on 4chan (surprisingly not in this thread) but at least you guys are fucking fun to chat with and don't take everything so seriously.
That and I've been posting here since 2006 so Im going to be here forever.
>>83187313
>Shapiro
THE NOSE EXPOSED
SHILL FOR HIGH SCORE
MUH ISRAEL
>>83188907
Or we isolate ourselves further and unhindered by the deadweight of lesser cultures, reach the stars on our own.
>>83189216
You embody the very degradation of humanity that I'm talking about
>>83189237
if he stood for liberty and rights, he'd fight the government and its corporate masters
>>83189251
That was Kanye West being an idiot for the nth time in his lifetime.
>>83189273
People never want to solve the world's problems. They want to make money off them.
>>83189256
But supermans not evil in those movies. Snyders just a fucking sociopatheven though i still feel like characters like punishsr are good people
>>83189157
It comes at the cost of a true sense of worth and meaning in existence
>>83188978
oh look, a cartoon about people fighting each other
How? Punching white collare people that is working just to make a living? How do you punch a corporations?
>>83189302
Look at the numbers above your post. Indians made them, and Arabs later passed them on to Europe.
>>83189309
Paleolithic conservative fucks are degeneracy incarnate. Your the rats that should be chewed up into a meat grinder and spat out.
>>83189317
people want to make money because they're stuck in a capitalist shitshow
>>83188925
A non-hierarchical society can't work so long as humans are humans. Someone will always have more power or charisma and people will flock to under them until that person becomes the figure of authority within a community, which will start to shape itself as a hierarchy. It's just how things work.
>>83189365
And we did that with borders in tact.
>>83189364
overturn citizen united, for starters
england could sack the aristocracy and get rid of it's leech with a crown for another
>>83188082
I didn't even consider that but the timeline of Zemo going full heel matches up to Skull having his mental abilities post-axis.
>>83187625
There was that time he punched out Nixon
>>83189365
Shit, you're right!
Better designate streets for shitting and convert to terrorism!
>>83188417
Actually according to Marx himself Communism will only work on a GLOBAL scale.
>>83189387
i said violent social hierarchy.
a non-violent social hierarchy would be more horizontal. it does not have to be completely horizontal. it's important that its goals are not selfish and show forethought
>>83187639
Burger here. american politics have gotten more and more polarized as time has gone on. Both sides think themselves infallible and the other literally satan. Makes it very very hard to have any real serious discussion about politics
>>83189448
citation. i want to see that.
>>83187740
I know, right? I don't get it? Is it just cause of Rich? It's not like that many people read BC? Why is this causing people to flip out?
>>83187313
I've got to hand to Spencer. If it was his plan to stir up controversy to get massive attention for this, he's succeeded. You've got conservitards and Twitter liberals both losing their minds over something they haven't read or were otherwise going to pay attention to, even though actual comics readers know there is no chance this is anything more than a single arc, which is already hinted to hinge on mind control. But these people don't know that, so it's literally the end of a cultural icon for them.
>>83189556
*I don't get it.
>>83189376
Your entire vision for humanity is one of a pervasive hedonism where all human effort is ordered towards furthering the extent of convenience in the satiation of carnal lusts.
>>83189502
no, it's hard to have a conversation with a conservative because their principles constradict itself all over the place
-"gun laws don't stop criminals"
-"we have to have these bathroom laws!"
-"this is invasion of privacy!"
-"we have to know EVERYONE'S genitalia and force them to go in bathrooms accordingly!"
-"they're such a small percentage of the population, it's forcing other people to adjust for something that doesn't matter enough"
-"it's wrong to increase taxes on the ruling class/1% that control our government! corporate subsidies are just fine!"
-"what if a girl see's some man penis in a shower!"
-no one seems give a sh-- if a boy sees pre-op boobs and vagina
-"it makes people uncomfortable!"
-stalls have doors for privacy and locks for security
-"what about the safety of the women and children!"
-doesn't care about the safety of transgenders who are beaten for going in the bathroom they don't identify with
-"we hate the government and smaller government is good!"
-"hey suddenly we give a damn if obama is threatening to take federal money away!"
-"god made you a certain way!"
-all humans are born atheists. no one believes in god as a child until an adult tells them
-"the sight of a naked body is innapropriate no matter the context!!"
-no child that has seen an anthropological documentary showcasing naked tribes in the jungle has ever been emotionally scarred for life
-"adam and eve, not adam and steve!"
-yeah, Lot and his daughters, not Lot and his sons
>>83187313
Is wolverine still kill?
>>83189593
and how is that different from paleolithic values?
>>83189501
And how long does it take for a non-violent society to turn violent or get run over by one?
You're free to idealize a world, but you have to be able to see that there are very realistic chances that it'll never work
>>83189593
Your beliefs is one of boring chastity in submission to an undeserving bastard god who rejects us lifes pleasures. Your cancer that must be expunged into a furnace.
This pisses me off because they're going to reverse it as usual.
Every time.
>>83189593
I don't see the problem here.
>>83189601
Most those don't contradict anything when logically thought about and some have nothing to do with their thought process at all.
>>83189601
>Strawman: The Post.
>>83189653
once again, forethought.
as of now, in the U.S., male that are 17 years old are militia.
that should be changed to males, females, and transgenders 17 years old are militia
>>83188935
Trump was allowed to experiment and fail as much as he wanted without concern because he could land on a pillow of daddy's money
>>83189693
>>83189468
By small scale I meant to say that everyone hundles up in small tribes and live completely isolated from other tribes.
As soon as something as simple as a trade between two societies starts, capitalism is set to come back
>>83189732
>Non-Sequitur: The Post.
>>83187862
Underrated post
>>83189755
we don't need trade as much in a post scarcity resource based economy with high technology.
>>83189732
Yes, conservatives literally vote to have soldiers killed.
We should just send soldiers to gas chambers.
>>83187313
>It's an 'OP can't think outside of polarised binaries' episode!
You really are the worst kind of thick cunt. The sort that is so ideologically cowardly he can't bring himself to intellectually explore other view points without creating easily attackable strawmen to suit your shaky world view.
And all this over reaction over a temporary heel turn that is almost guaranteed to be attributed to brainwashing, cloning or some other cop out plot device. You're a fuckwit.
>>83189771
i'm talking about conservatives, buddy. read the thread
>>83187382
you're welcome for democracy, industrialization and the internet, loser
>>83189801
>>83187399
Welcome to normalfags discovering Comics 101.
>>83189818
>democracy
>industrialization
>internet
yes, at the expense of other countries through exploitation of the workers, regime change, proxy militias, and puppet dictators
>>83189646
I'm discussing the ideals of the world when it was ordered towards form and quality rather than matter and quantity. The commodification of the human identity is among the principle ills of the modern world.
>>83189657
The rejection of humility and contentedness is another principle ill of the modern world. You've regressed into all of the lowest aspects of human nature, driven only by lust and greed. It's people like you that cruelly rape the earth rather than making love with her and making her the radiant mother of your children
>>83189502
wasnt there some quote from thomas jefferson about how one of the main purposes of freedom of speech is so that people can talk this sort of shit out and dont devolve into the fucking french revolution?
>>83189833
>I can't believe Donald Trump said mean things about Mexicans and Muslims!
>If he wins, I'm moving to somewhere that's not Mexico, and not a Muslim country!
>>83189869
look at OP
now slap yourself
>>83189902
You can go back to
>>>/pol/
along with him.
>>83189894
>mexico
>muslim countries
they all have something in common. they're unstable due to u.s. foreign policy and the failed war on drugs
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cia-pays-afghan-president-hamid-karzai-2013-4
Can we all just agree that no form of government or economy will ever bee completely good and move on?
>>83189955
no, because failed capitalist government and economies are keeping us from moving on.
>>83187652
Humanity has an abysmal track record. We're doing better now than ever, digest that with relief or anxiety, as you see fit.
>>83189673
That's because you've rejected the higher functions of the human consciousness, our capacity to create and give meaning in favor of living wholly as a lower natured consumer, only seeking more convenient methods to gratify yourself physically
>>83188069
anarchism doesn't work for more than the five minutes it takes the people with guns to team up, m8
>>83189818
Democracy?
Not even close usa is a capatilist constitutional republic not a democracy and ancient greece namely athens created democracy iirc
>>83188907
A collective one world goverment will, never reach stars. They would never dare to open a new frontier which could serve an escape from their power.
>>83189954
You might want to look at the condition of various Muslim countries before the US started wasting their time with them.
Start with Afganistan.
>>83189755
Trade is not inherently capitalistic.
Just once I wish people would stop parroting half baked economic theories and pick up a book on the basic tenements of anthropology.
>>83189468
That's true.
After all, if there is an alternative for communism, no one sane enough would live under it.
>>83189982
No, we're legitimately in one of the most pervasive periods of ignorance in all of human history, long past the eras in which we realized the potential of the human experience. The modern world is a unique abnormality in regards to how ignorant we are now
>>83189996
And yet there are dozens of functioning tribes and communes that exist independent of a state all around the world.
Ooops.
Haha, you country is fucked up
>Travel to USA with gf, gf's sister and gf's nephew (5 yo)
>Gf's nephew needs to go to the restroom
>Of course he isn't going to go the the men's restroom alone because he's a little kid
>Gf's sister and nephew enter in the women's restroom
>Couple of women feel offended and start lash out on my gf's sister
This will never happen in my country, is the most common thing ever
>>83190224
>No, we're legitimately in one of the most pervasive periods of ignorance in all of human history
That's a pretty serious claim. Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?
>>83190244
>Never would happen in my country
Sounds like horseshit since what you said sounds pretty uncommon.
>>83190244
>A country with individual states larger than some European countries is 100% fucked up because of what happened in one bathroom.
When I was really little my mother brought me into the women's room for shit like that all the time and never had a single problem. Sounds like you just had bad luck.
>>83190290
In what terms would you quantify the validity of claims made as to the deterioration of quality in all human experision as proof of the modern worlds ignorance?
Moderninity, even considering all advances, has only brought about a deterioration in the quality of cultures formed by humanity, all artistic and architectural expression, and even in our very understanding of the human identity. There is almost nothing in the modern world that isn't a thin mask veiling an all consuming nihilism that inherently rejects all higher effort of the human experience
>>83187313
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
American patriotism has joined the ranks of German nationalism as feared and hated ideologies.
>>83190391
>When I was really little
Those were other times, when I was little Ace Ventura was a fun movie, now everybody gets offended by it.
>>83190290
ignorance is a choice in the age of information
>>83187382
Just during WW2.
>>83190438
>In what terms would you quantify the validity of claims made as to the deterioration of quality in all human experision as proof of the modern worlds ignorance?
Compare the overall ignorance of a peasant in the 1300s to the overall ignorance of a member of the lower class in 2016.
>>83190034
afghanistan was secular
then russia invaded and the u.s. armed the taliban. bin laden's CIA name was Tim Osman
>>83189398
You think people policed borders like that back then?
>>83190496
this anon gets it
>>83190005
a dividee planet of many nations competing for resources will stagnate and humanity will come to a useless standstill
>>83190546
I'd say the lower class individual in 2016 exhibits far greater ignorance without a doubt. You've probably let Monty Python shape your conception of peasantry
>>83187313
But everyone loves Captain America; MCU Steve is loved across the world as a man who stands for freedom, friendship, and cuddling slav girls.
>>83190619
>competition
>stagnate
I am having trouble believing a human brain formulated this thought.
>>83190619
We've already stagnated, and globalization will only massively increase the hoarding of resources
>>83190671
How are you defining ignorance, exactly?
>>83189818
>democracy
not even close to be an american invention. nevermind that modern america is effectively an oligarchy.
>industrilazation
also not american. started in europe.
>internet
to this day america has the worst internet service providers outside of 3rd world countries
>>83190619
Or maybe, the divided states will work to up each other, thus making a new frontier, no matter how hard to reach or unpleasant for ruling class, necessary.
That would not happen in one world goverment, that can simply control every nook and crevasse through "progressive post-scarcity technology".
>>83189818
>Democracy
Thanks, Greeks
>Industrialization
Thanks, Britain
>Internet
Only one you got right, but literally all scientifics working on it were foreigner
>>83190734
America is the #1 innovator in medical technology, scientific research and digital technology.
>>83187382
America ended slavery far far faster than any other nation on the face of the earth. And then we sent our ships out to stop it else where in the world.
>>83190550
Yeah, the U.S. definitely told that Taliban to be complete pieces of shit, they're entirely blameless for their own actions.
>>83190588
How is Anarchist goverance supposed to be able to produce a living quality at the level of current society, if so much oppression is needed to support current society ?
How will it stand when people realise that they can't have all the stuff they have now in same fashion.
Name one reason why Anarchist society wouldn't embark on similar oppression to uphold its functions.
You can already see how "nice" the people in favor of it by the number "pls eat shit and die" messanges on this thread.
>>83187313
I like it when there are stupid reactions from the left and stupid reactions from the right. Usually it's one side being stupid and I have to pick the other side.
I think the left-wing reactions have been stupider overall because they're pretending this twist is anti-Semitic, which a) it isn't, and b) every other day the same people think Jews are privileged whities.
But either way, I don't know which is worse: if the people writing these pieces don't know Cap won't really turn evil, or they do and are trying to stir shit up anyway.
>>83190733
Understanding of ones identity and the meaning of their existence in relation to society. Serfs and peasants, even with their lower status, were integral in the creation of culture and lived meaningful lives ordered towards Tradition. In the modern world, the lower class only create the corpses of disposable stagnating plastic cultures that they discard every decade, and despite having greater access to information than any period in history, reject this knowledge outright and even develop contempt for it.
I'd rather be a serf living off the land surrounding some Lords estate than bounce between manual labor jobs and collecting scrap metal while living in a trailer park
>>83189732
>voting for Hillary
>who voted for Iraq and campaigned for Syria and Libya
Kekles m8
>>83190786
>I'm a dumb cuck!
Thanks for playing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Kleinrock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart
>>83190847
>And then we sent our ships out to stop it else where in the world.
maybe in a few places. its still going strong in a lot of countries.
>>83190947
Holy fuck you are so fucking stupid you should be shot.
>>83189346
>being a NEET
>true sense of worth
pick one
