Why is Red Skull speaking reason?
Why are they turning him into an antihero?
What the fuck are you doing Marvel?
>>83160886
>words words words
fucking american comics, shake my head
I'm pretty sure you know why and I wouldn't be surprised if the people/person reposting this thread over and over in different forms wasn't also the same tumblrite asshat who then comes in and says things like "wow you said faggot how homophobic".
Can someone explain why baiting is "fun"? Because I don't get the joke and after a while of repeated material it becomes extremely obvious when someone is trying to bait.
I don't think it was supposed to seem that way, but it came out pretty reasonable sounding.
>>83160886
He's feeding them what they want to hear so they'll join his nazi cult
>>83160998
It's reasonable sounding until you realise it's all bullshit
>>83161038
Also this
>>83161038
Who the fuck are they suicide bombing? Because a lot of the time you don't need to die to blow fuckers up.
>>83161160
Skull probably thinks it's hilarious
>>83161089
> until you realise it's all bullshit
In what way?
>>83160886
>>83160886
well, if Captain America is going to be the villain...
>Turning him into an anti-hero
Seems more like they're putting reason into the mouth of a villain to take the reason away from the words. A kind of "Why would I stand for the same things Red Skull does?" thing.
>Mass stereotyping, paranoia, and xenophobia is reason?
Did Americans learn nothing from the Know-Nothings?
>>83160987
The person who keeps reposting this thread isn't from Tumblr, but from /pol/.
>Start these threads saying Red Skull is right
>Someone disagrees
>Derails and shifts from comics to politics
>He gets to post pol charts and shit he's collected from browsing pol after being redpill and wants someone to combat his argument
>If they can't he feels good about himself and happy he pushed his politics on some Anon
>If someone challenges him enough, he'll insult them and then leave without even changing his viewpoint, but instead looking for ways to prove what the challenger said wrong
/pol/ fags can't contain themselves. It's like how Atheist can't contain themselves when they get good evidence debunking Christianity.
>>83163591
Of course the OP is from /pol/. They're pro-bigotry, white nationalism, xenophobia, and paranoid mass stereotyping.
>>83160886
>why is red skull le hero now?
Because he's telling people what they want to hear. It's a matter of debate whether he actually believes what he's saying, but he's trying to appeal to people's anti-refugee way of thinking so they'll join him. It's not a matter of "people with anti-refugee beliefs are literally Nazis", but "this Nazi is using anti-refugee beliefs to further his own goals".
>Red Skull is now based af
>Captain America was a Hydra agent the entire time
What do?
>>83163510
Is it still paranoia if they're right?
>>83163816
Read the next page.
/pol/ is literally cancer.
>>83163591
>>83163674
Not even op but this red-pilling through force is my fetish
>mfw this thread
>>83163849
Nope they are wrong
>>83163991
The women of cologne would beg to disagree.
Girls in Sweden who are told to go out late at night at their own risk would beg to disagree.
Soaring crime rates would beg to disagree
>>83163931
Marvel shits out something that compares Europeans concerned about what is happening to their continent with motherfucking suicide bombers, and you think /pol/ is the problem?
>>83163159
Different Red Skull. That's Ultimate Red Skull, who isSteve Rogers' son.
>>83164075
Nice bait you got there
>>83160886
That's a fairly succinct criticism of cosmopolitan globalism outside of the whole HAIL HYDRA and Alt-Right are LITERALLY fascists and nazis line.
Alt-Righters and fascists may not necessarily be mutually exclusive, but there is a distinction, and the type of policies advocated by Trump and other folks are protectionist and nationalist in nature.
In the case of America, its based in an ideological exceptionalism, which, I dare say is validated in the light of historical analysis. Anyone who denies it is a self-hating american and a cuckold.
>>83164223
Great rebuttal, friend.
Mayhaps you would like to say that to the victims in person
>>83163697
And much of /co/ has fallen for it hook line and sinker
Hitler would be proud that his legacy of inspiring speeches that bring people to his side's lives on.
And I'm proud of the writers for doing it so well.
It is possible that it's just a poor attempt at a strawman where they went to far in the other direction trying to avoid making it to obvious but I doubt it.
>>83164075
You can justify any absurdity through that kind of reasoning.
I can argue white people should be monitored all the fucking time and never allowed to carry guns, as menace to national security. They're so prone to going crazy and shooting people. I can list all manner of examples.
There's plenty of proof white people cannot be trusted with firearms.
#GiveCaptain AmericaABoyfriend
>>83164316
Yeah but by that logic, nobody but Asians can be trusted with fire arms.
>>83164268
>YFW police hasn't press any charges
>YFW when there cases that already admitted that they've lied.
I think you mean to go this way
>>>/pol/
>>83162009
because no human is illegal you dumbass nazi
>>83164364
A strong Aryan boyfriend
>>83164316
And yet even more that blacks cannot be.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/us/americas-overlooked-gun-violence.html?emc=edit_th_20160523&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=35282093&_r=2
But that is not the point. Whites do not grow up in a culture that glorifies treating women like second rate citizens, throwing homosexuals off of buildings or executing apostates
>>83164316
>There's plenty of proof white people cannot be trusted with firearms.
There's more for black people.
>>83164272
>Made a shitty strawman
>Got /co/ to ironically agree with Red Skull to spite the bad Strawmanning
>Did well
Okay
>>83164226
Alt-righter here
yep we're like that
>>83164413
But then why even have borders?
>>83164425
The point is orbiting above your head.
>>83164490
why indeed?
they are a dated and unneeded concept especially in a time where we're all as interconnected as we are
they're simply an unneeded and meddlesome formality
>>83164512
No, you're simply not getting mine.
A minority of whites are shooters. But a majority of muslims hold ideas and beliefs that are at odds with the western secular model.
There is simply no comparing the two
>>83164550they're not
>>83164550
Define shooters? Mass shootings, maybe, but gun crime among blacks is insane. They gun each other down by the hundreds every day.
>>83164550
Nope.
Crime stats prove that blacks are far more dangerous than whites.
But keep on ignoring everything that disagrees with you
>>83160886
Hitler's early speeches were apparently jingoistic, but rather rational and conservative, and very stirring. Of course, people never learn that everything politicians say publicly is a lie or a front. The real lessons to be learned from the Nazi regime were that evil often sounds reasonable and generous, and that people who will do anything they're told shouldn't get to choose leaders.
>>83160954
So read manga.
You mother fuckers don't skip a beat to race to thee threads and start this shit.
>>83164570
>MFW this much ignorance
>>83164550
>far more white shooters than black
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>83164656
>mfw this obtuseness
>>83164550
>White people are perfectly capable of being menaces to society.
I'm not saying they're not, but if you're going to detain and monitor one specific race based on inclination for violence towards other people, you're picking the wrong one
>>83160886
He has a point, but he's using fear mongering and extremism to get these guys to join his cause. What in particular he's asking for is irrelevant, so long as they get catharsis.
Of course, a competent writer might have made that clearer and wouldn't need my honky ass to translate.
>>83164316
>white people should be monitored all the fucking time
They are.
>>83164684
Somebody has too.
>>83164684
Nah /pol/ cares but not because they care about blacks more because the statistic fits their narrative. And even then apparently they're still killing a decent chunk of white people.
>>83164684
I'll can about black people dying when they care about white people dying. Lord knows they kill enough of them.
>>83164550
In terms of mass shootings, yes. However, those mass shootings are almost statistical anomalies based upon a particular sociological effect. In terms of raw numbers of shooters, there are way more blacks.
>inb4 hurr durr /pol/
Fuck /pol/ and fuck you for trying to lump me in with that roiling mass of untreated schizophrenia. It's a phenomenon of blighted inner cities and as white flight proceeds, the white share of the gun violence population recedes.
Bottom line: We have an inner city gang violence problem and no one gives a fuck about them.
>>83164656
>>83164678
>White people go crazy
Let's blame Mexicans.
>>83164747
Most whites are killed by other whites, by virtue of most living next to each other (ironically because it makes them feel safer, lol).
>>83164782
What's the point? Then they'd just start saying the Mexicans are white.
>>83164855
and most blacks kill blacks
however blacks killing blacks and blacks killing whites happens at alarmingly higher rates when you take the population of each into consideration
>>83164566
Allow homeless meth addicts and gangbangers to live and shit in your home, then you can make those retarded "borders are dated" claims.
>>83164855
However majority of interracial crime is black on white.
AND white on white crime is far lower than black on black.
So they might not be wrong.
>>83164874
Aren't a good portion of them descended from Spaniards?
>>83164855
Most night apes are killed by other night apes
>>83164855
>implying that trailer trash stays with trailer trash because they're afraid of black people
>>83160886
Went from talking about migrant crisis to talking about shootings with very little posts talking about the actual comic.
You people need to fucking leave.
>>83160886
Man this thread is a /pol/ recruiting ground, and all thanks to Marvel for trying to spin a rational stance into something Hitler would say. GG Marvel, GG.
>>83163890
wait what
aren't they basically acting JUST LIKE the people they hate?
>>83164912
I think he cited inaccurate black on black crime statistics and said something vague about fixing inner cities and deflected a question on whether or not he believes the cops are targeting blacks into creating SEZs for those areas.
He blames mass shootings on bad mental health systems and believes their communities could see these ticking time bombs.
>>83165032
that's what we call irony
>>83164973
Do you have the one where they correct him that it's actually 90% and he gloats he got them to tell the truth? Or is that shoop?
Also percent of what?
>>83160886
The first time we had this thread it was interesting,but now its getting old.
>>83165029
Nail on the fucking head.
>>83165147
He's referencing what Comrade Sanders said in the new york debate, which was one of the most disgusting thing I've ever heard
If you guys think this is bad wait for the comic where Loki's running for president, they're going to throw all subtly out the window.
>>83165206
So they're basically ripping off 16 year old DC storylines?
>>83165032
Well yes. Which is, you know, the exact reason why this shit is so insulting to people who actually live in Yurop and not a fucking continent away.
>>83165189
I don't like the Bernie,but why is it you Trump guys get so triggered when people call Trump a Nazi,but its finel to call Bernie a commie.
>>83163510
>xenophobia
Yes... we should not be afraid of people that do this...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/2000-killed-in-Nigeria-but-world-failed-to-react/articleshow/45844273.cms
>>83164617
What percentage of blacks?
>>83165278
It's just a joke, calm down.
If he were an actual commie he'd be sent to the gulags on day one
>>83165062
Truthfully I blame black-on-black crime on a combo of factors. The decline of manufacturing, blacks getting arrested more easily for drug offenses (as police don't need warrants to arrest people in public), the rise of gang culture, the complete collapse of the family unit, urban blight, the economic recession wiping out a great deal of black middle-class wealth, etc.
You know....the stuff /pol/ eschews in favor of racist pseudo-science.
>>83160886
Marvel is laying it on thick lately. Wasn't there some snake villain who basically held a Trump speech and stated that he would make America 'marvelous again'?
>>83165279
You can't live in fear, and you can't make rational decisions based on it.
/pol/, stop ruining this board
>>83165335
Fair enough,
>>83165481
show statistics that crime has increased in any significant way following refugee migration to a western nation
>>83165278
Because Nazi's murdered millions of innocent fucking people and Trump has not called for actually harming anyone but ISIS so its factually inaccurate.
While Bernie is worse then a commie, commies have balls and won't gleefully take it up the ass from BLM folk. Commies understand the concept of self defense, commies stand up to their enemies, not invite them into your house to give them a fucking sponge bath and offer your daughter's cunts as gifts for the night.
>>83165436
I'll help.
>>83160954
Learn to read something other than snap chat nigger
>>83165158
Either Trump is an evil metalist who can play people into doing whatever he wants or the fucking spin surgeon general.
>>83165436
Anon look around you.
THERE'S NOTHING TO RUIN.
>>83160886
the next panel shows some guy listening to this and then getting in more and more deep until he gets suited up for a suicide bombing
pretty standard, boring propaganda of association. the most interesting thing is how much of redskull's rhetoric is tuned into the current zeitgeist and even plucked straight from real life, almost too much so.
>>83165545
>>83165574
>>83165403
>You can't live in fear
That is rich coming from a fucker that is on the same side as BLM protesters.
>>83165601
>>83165628
>>83165623
What exactly about that is living in fear? BLM protesters stand up to militarized police. They're not living in fear.
>>83165662
>>83165662
>Hitler in the audience
wow thanks transmet, i really needed that to understand what you were saying
>>83165623
And you would know that how? That is one massive leap in logic.
Everyone knows there is corruption within the ranks of the police. But some people won't do a damn thing, in order to score political points.
Corruption is corruption, no matter how you slice it.
>>83165773
You mean you?
>>83165804
Shouldn't you be eating Tyrone's sperm, anon
>>83165794
But I think government bodies are perfectly capable of investigating the police systematically, provided they are given the means and authority.
That's a long way from backing angry supporters with no realistic proposals.
>>83165680
Only for them to completely justify them by doing the shit they do
>>83160886
>europe
>homeland
>>83165757
Transmet is not fucking subtle or polite. The author is extra uninterested in stroking your excitably erect morals or adequately large intellect. It's a comic. It's funny.
>>83165680
>BLM protesters stand up to militarized police
No they fucking riot and destroy towns every fucking time a police officer defends himself this has nothing to fucking do with the weapons they use.
>>83165794
>Corruption is corruption, no matter how you slice it.
Corruption has nothing to fucking to with officers having the right to self defense which is what BLM is trying to impede on.
>>83165697
>Someone makes Jerusalem sweat
Wow
>>83164855
Humans in general are prone to violence, but of course in varying levels person to person. How well a culture curbs and/or remedies this problem is the real measure in question.
To be transparent, I was a /pol/lack 3 years ago for about 6 months. I get these people, better than I wish I did. I got out because they were no more honest or seeking honesty than the dishonest politics and media that stirred me to join them. So instead, here I am. I've accepted reality, and i make it just fine without needing to heil hitler online. Still fun sometimes.
So here's the objective-as-possible breakdown, famoso:
>the more advanced a nation/people are, the more effective resisting violent tendencies it is
>wealth helps quite a lot, but money doesn't mean advanced in every way that counts, look at Americas gutted mental healthcare system. There hardly even is much of one.
>a culture within a nation is a secondary affecter of violence, a culture like ones found in poorer communities is one of promoting, among many honestly innocuous things, taking things into your own hands if need be, resenting those you feel, or actually did, put you/your family in this mess, and doing what it takes to get by even if it's not legal
>this does not curb violence very well
>mainstream western cultures are a good bit better at mediating violent tendencies, but depending on local attitudes on mental health, strife, subcultures, race and other factors, violent tendencies can be fed or grown outright.
Our problem in the states, I've alluded to. A combination of poor attitudes/understanding on mental health and its care, a focus for boys to be stoic and hide weakness causing "bottling up" frustration and pain, and a mixed-capitalist economy that breeds resentment when/if it can't deliver.
Those are some of the bigger unique issues for us. A legacy of revolution against those seen as tyrants doesn't always help when someone is pushed to the limit either.
C'est la vie.
/off topic rant
>>83165853
If Tyrone s a clean Christian hard working man then yeh
>>83165927
boring
>>83165984
Poor bastard cares about politics. He's not invulnerable.
>>83166082
Christians don't waste sperm, faggot
>>83166114
So read manga.
>>83165888
That's naive, an external pressure doesn't hurt but BLM I feel does a shit job at it if only because they consistently pick poor poster children.
>>83166141
>waste
>>83161038
That's a good point. Still those last two panels are honestly....accurate.
If you call out progressives on their shit they can always play the "sexist" or "racist" card, even if there's nothing to prove it and suddenly your life is over because of bullshit social stigma.
And now Canada is trying to make it a crime to talk shit about gay/transgender people...a fucking crime! Progressives are showing their true colors more and more as they oppose free speech. And if you call them out on it? Well then you're a "bigot", and thus they recruit more young minds who are afraid of being labeled in such a way.
People are fucking angry about this shit, and in their anger they're turning to guys like Trump. The left going full shit balls is causing the right to do the same. It's all so fucking stupid.
>>83165961
The police's right to self-defense is perfectly capable of being abused by law enforcement.
Do Internal Affairs Departments even have real teeth?
>>83166394
Are you even a sapient creature? Literally what are you saying?
>completely reasonable arguments
>lol HYDRA
They're pushing an agenda through meta commentary. Fucking comics are dead.
>>83166653
i seriously hope no one lets comics influence them politically
>>83166053
Anyone else have more like these?
We should just repost the speeches by red skull and cover him up in an Anon green color motif.
Marvel writers essentially are saying "if you think logically or with reason, and don't like your culture being murdered, then you are literal Hitlers".
It's a joke is what it is. What the fuck is wrong with these naive saps? Do they just not look at crime statistics and real world events?
>>83166887
Not really. They're saying that evil fascists tend to trick people into joining them by appealing to their beliefs.
>>83166887
Do it yourself. Make some original content. Contribute to the site, and the ongoing visual dialogue. You have mspaint and free time. You obviously think it's worth doing. None of the material is hard to come by. Do it yourself.
>>83166887
>What the fuck is wrong with these naive saps?
Everything looks good from an ivory tower.
>>83167103
>Doing OC
What are you? An autist?
>>83162009
Because his solution is to start using suicide bombers to blow up trains.
>>83165032
Congratulations, you just found out EXACTLY why the Red Skull is wrong. /pol/ can go on about how he did nothing wrong, but they're bombing buildings and trains just like their favorite group does.
>>83164364
I support this. If Sam starts fucking guys, it means Misty is free to get her man back.
>>83164622
I get why Kingpin is dressed like that, he's been a bit of a weeb when it comes to Sumo since Frank Miller, but why is Red Skull in his pants?
>>83167286
the /pol/ thread I read was more annoyed at the fact redskull's talking points were associated with terrorist acts despite the lack of suicide bombings or organised violence from real anti-immigration protestors in europe
people will read the comic and go, WOW they're just like the people they're against!! but what relevance does that have to real life?
>>83167286
>implying there's anything wrong with bombing
>>83167459
Because they are having a serious, manly fight. If they were in the woods, they'd have their dicks out too.
>>83167463
Liberals have been starving for a right wing terrorist for years.
Everything something happens the media pray it's not a Muslim and that it's some white boy right winger. No luck so far. Any white boys they do get are insane.
>>83167671
yep, things just haven't been the same since all the white kids stopped playing violent video games and listening to rock and roll.
>>83167671
There was a neo nazi who killed several people in a historically black church a few years ago, and that old german american guy who killed some poor security guard at a holocaust museum.
You get a neo nazi every once in a while.
>>83167671
If you count the mass shootings, it's usually a white guy.
>any white boys they do get are insane
They went on a mass shooting, doesn't that, by default, make them insane?
>>83167591
What issue is this from, I've GOT to see this. I just can't understand Skull agreeing to strip for a fight.
>>83167817
You don't exactly hold back in an underground cage match to the death. At some point, you have to be practical and take off the starchy uniform.
>>83167759
They want a white guy that has a beef with the government when they do it. They want another McVeigh or something. Tried with those militia at the forest station.
But camera footage screwed up the message that they opened fire first. Can't capiltize on footage showing a man being shot just getting out of his truck.
People somehow say DiDio needs to be fired but editorial at Marvel is much worse than that of DC. I honestly don't know why they making their entire publishing line garbage.
>>83164566
Tell that to the Yale study that showed high immigration rates lead to massive culture death, crime rates, poverty etc.
All people are great and should be treated as human.
But they're all unique, and should stay with people like them
>>83163165
>cap becomes a villain
>Red skull is now a hero
hmm.
>liberal (Marvel) tries super hard to make conservatives look evil and hateful
>instead the conservative comes off as rational and the liberal comes off as childish and hateful
Why does this happen every time?
>>83166806
That's not even the point. They're actually making Red Skull have a proper argument and valid reasons and they shit on it with LOL HYDRA IS EBUL AND VILLAINS = WRONG so that their liberal shit can be justified.
It's nonsense.
>>83165278
Because trumps ideals are nothing like national socialism, while bernie is an admitted socialist who has been quoted by friends from 40-50 years ago as being a man that always complained about how much he hates capitalism
>>83167671
Brevik was their hook to increase immigration massively in Scandinavia. I'm convinced he was a plant based on his treatment in prison and short sentence
>>83164401
>>police hasn't press any charges
Dude, police are the ones covering it up.
What the fuck man, seriously? Step up your fuckin' game.
>>83164656
You dense motherfucker.
>>83168665
Underhandedness backfires when it's visible, because the whole point is to not be seen doing it.
It only works when no one notices until long after they get what they want.
