Take it for what it's worth the captain america spoiler isOn the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135410-exxxclusive-bad-guys-the-outhousers-will-spoil-captain-america-steve-rogers-1.html
Just read them. This makes absolutely zero sense.
We know. A couple of threads autosaged and some others got deleted for not putting spoilers under the spoiler tag.
>>83115972
>>83115996
There's obviously some kind of fake-out. No way Steve has secretely been a loyal fascist for decades. Not with his movie popularity.
>>83115972
>>83116277
>>83116203
Red Skull has mind powers right now. It will be false memories implanted or something that's a result of the cosmic cube.
>>83116203
The Red Skull is fucking with his memories. It's obvious if you've read Standoff.
>>83116203
Especially since it wouldn't make sense.
Were all the times Steve foiled Hydra's plans all part of the plan?
>>83115972
Yeah no. Remember that part of standoff where red skull is walking away and talking about how he planted the seeds?
Yeah you guys are stupid.
>>83116344
Being foiled IS the plan. If they'd ever intended to succeed, they'd have just moved to some country without super-heroes like Venezuela or Nigeria and taken over there. The reason they constantly attack the US is because all the super-heroes are there, who will be able to keep HYDRA in its place.
You see, Hydra has secretly, all along, been an anti-HYDRA plot, and Captain America has been in on it from the very beginning.
hail Hydra.
75 years.
Marvel just retconned 75 years of a single character.
This is like revealing that Bruce Wayne shot his parents.
>>83116687
>actually trusting Marvel to not do retarded shit for the (You)s
>>83116304
The only way it would make sense is this.
>>83116687
It's not a retcon it's just a stupid throaway plot that'll end with some reveal that he's being mind-controlled like all the posters above you are saying or is working undercover or whatever. You'd have to be an idiot to take this at face value.
>>83116467
The way people talk about Movie Hydra is like this post but for real.
''Being defeated in Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron? part of the plan!''
B-but...the dream!
We've seen his inner monologue. This makes no sense at all.
>>83115972
Ok Marvel, TWS twist was nice, but there's no need to keep repeating it.
Does anybody give a shit about Hydra anymore?
>>83115972
The Red Skull still has Xavier's psychic brain right?
>>83116397
That's an alright excuse, but it's still a dumb storyline.
So...
>Evil clone?
>Evil Cap from alternate reality/timeline?
>Mind control?
>Or in a very convoluted manner, all of the above?
>>83116687
I notice that Marvel is usually great to attract readers, but after some time, all of them start hating the company because theu like to shit on fans.
The only ones left are stupid characterfags and the ones that read the very ocasional good book, like Vision.
>>83116935
yeah
>>83116992
Seeing as there's a Red Skull with Xavier's brain (damnit that's stupid in itself but pretty comic booky) and been a cosmic cube floating around this can easily be retconned away.
Tony being adopted is slightly stupider to me still as it's harder to retcon. Whatever happend to that story anyway?
>>83116935
Which still doesn't make any sense.
That's not how mutant powers work. Ever.
>>83115972
Welp time to shave my head and convert to the third reich
>>83117088
>Tony being adopted is slightly stupider to me still as it's harder to retcon. Whatever happend to that story anyway?
What do you mean? It's still there. Bendis is going to reveal his real parents.
This is nonsense character wise. I mean, it's breaking basic storytelling. Don't know how someone could give the pass to publish this if true, or even if it has some sort of trick on it.
>>83117131
..That's it. I'm done with comics until next decade. This shit is as bad as Marvel in the 90s now.
>>83117131
>Bendis is going to reveal his real parents
Unlikely. He'll just tease it for a year then eventually get bored and drop the plot point.
>>83117227
It's either a fake out or more proof that all new all shit Marvel is going full retard with their left wing bullshit.
>>83117251
Why? What is so bad about Tony being adopted, exactly? Especially compared to shit in the 90s like him being Kang's servant? Howard and Maria are still his parents even if he didn't come out of Maria's womb. I remember when people were complaining about Gillen suggesting that Stark's genius was the result of genetic tempering; even the opposite of that makes you guys mad.
>they made Steve a Nazi
>yes its kinda weird
>how can they make a Jewish person a Nazi
>what
Since when was Steve Jewish?
>>83115996
I don't read Marvel. Did he get young again or is does he just not look old in his costume?
>>83117348
he got young in Standoff, cosmic cube babby did it
>>83117313
Because it's a stupid dated everything you know is wrong style plot point for the sake of shock that was old by the mid 90s let alone now. It was cool when Moore did this on Marvelman and Swamp Thing. It's just a stupid to still be doing ot 35 years later.
>>83117314
Never as far as I know. The person may be retarded. Steve is Irish Protestant isn't he?
>>83117281
I'm a leftist and this still makes me mad. It's fucking stupid. It's absolutely utter shit. Even if there's some kind of fake of, you're breaking the trust of all your readers for some stupid trust, taking the risk of losing them.
Really fucking stupid move, failing 101 storytelling.
And I'm not even a Cap fan: he's just there, not very much into him, but I don't dislike him, I respect him.
Zemo is pretty much guaranteed to save the day now
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>>83117412
I don't think Tony being adopted is on the level of either of those two things. And it at least gave us Arno.
>>83117417
If you are a lefty then you must not be a far left leaning one.
I like a lot of left and right wingers but not a single one that leans far on either side. You never go full retard.
>>83117417
>you're breaking the trust of all your readers for some stupid trust, taking the risk of losing them
Brevoort said that they get better sales when fans are upset actually
Honestly I feel like the people writing the movies understand Marvel characters better than the comics writers at this point.
>>83117101
>implying Marvel gives a fuck
>>83117413
And yet myTumblris blowing up at how Steve is Jewish because his creators are Jewish.
The fuck man, the MCU has created this "I don't read comics, wiki's are all I need" section of fandom.
>>83117413
I think he's catholic
>>83117458
I guess I'm not.
>>83117477
That awful. I cannot blame them for looking for profit; this is business after all, they're neither art guys nor an NGO. But at least have a bit of taste and dignity.
>>83117675
Nope, Protestant.
Is this some kind of b8? In the full image you can see the actual Steve prisoner.
This is a leak on purpose just to derail the DC rebirth hype with some twist that gets untwisted in the same fucking page, not even the next issue.
The only unknown shit is since when Steve was replaced. Probably after Civil War.
>>83117417
I meant twist, not trust. I'm this level of mad.
Fuck you, Marvel.
t. a Hawkeye lover.
Reminder that this is completely normal for how Captain America is used as a metaphor for the state of American politics.
As America descends into Fascism and racism, so too must Captain America become the villain.
Because that's what the USA is now. A villain and a bully.
>>83117743
It's Selvig, dummy.
>>83117710
That doesn't make much sense. It was Irish Catholics from the south of Ireland emigrated enmasse to NYC at that time. The Scots Irish/Protestant Northern Irish were a different wave of migration and often to the Southern U.S. states..
>>83117743
We've gone over this. Steve isn't the prisoner.
>>83117822
>nobody can convert
>>83117743
Steve isn't the prisoner. Red Skull is probably gonna fuck with his mind and implant false memories or something. Or at least that's one way that marvel can retcon this Hydra shit.
But yes it was definitely leaked on purpose to compete with Rebirth
>>83117775
That actually could make sense, given political atmosphere right now (or at least what I can understand it's happening over there). But I highly doubt this is the case.
>>83117791
Oh well I was FRANKd by the artist. Fucking samefaces.
Still, he was replaced after civil war or its just Red Skull with mutant powers.
>>83117131
>Tony Stark is a Summer
Calling It.
>>83115972
Reminder this is better than Rebirth and Anatomy Lesson.
https://twitter.com/kristaferanka/status/735209144806825984
so what's this referring to?
>>83117412
The Secret Origin of Tony Stark was actually a pretty decent story. You should read it before you write it off just on principle.
>>83117878
>But yes it was definitely leaked on purpose to compete with Rebirth
And of course it won't really work because the only Cap thing people are paying attention to is the gay thing
Oh no guys it'sDr.Manhattanagain this time he got cap
>>83117879
It is the case.
Superman did the same thing back in the 2000's.
I'm sure it'll turn out to be some mind whammy shenanigans, but until that reveal there are some pretty weird implications going on with this twist.
>CW2 isn't getting the response they wanted or it didn't last as long as they wanted
>Rebirth leaks of pre flashpoint shit making it's way into post flashpoint shit, Wally, and Watchmen get too much attention for their liking
>people fucking explode
>marvel leaks this clickbait bullshit so people remember they exist and can get it the same day as DCU Rebirth
lol
>>83117710
Pretty sure he's Catholic if we're going for a hated white minority from the 40's.
>>83117775
But Captain America was never the government or the current values of America.
It was the people that made America great. It was the old and lost values.
So even if modern America is a bully or a villain (which it is under the reign of terror from the black warmonger and ironically Trump, the super hitler,being the one trying to end the war industry) Captain America should represent what America should be.
>>83117878
No, it was leaked by the Outhousers wanting to one-up Bleeding Cool.
>>83117975
Is this just liberal sjw writers hating on murica and cap?
What the fuck is wrong with Americans? Why do they fucking do this to themselves?
>>83117949
I really, really, really hope you're right.
Still pretty mad,
>>83118041
>the people that made America great
America was always a racist shithole that murders native populations with plague infested blankets and firebombs.
Social democracies are great. An oligarchy run by corporations is not great.
>ppl are trying to call for a boycott of the comic
>and for them to tweet at Nick Spencer and Marvel about how upset they are about a single panel
Jesus these fucking people.
Just watch Spencer's twitter feed for the next week before they forget about it.
The fallout will be Zemo getting assblasted with Red Skull, returning to be pseudo-heroic and wearing the Citizen V costume, just in time for the Thunderbolts movie announcement.
>>83118041
>Captain America should represent what America should be.
So what you and this reveal are saying is that America needs to be more like the Nazis/Hydra.
>new captain america comic
>le twist 1st issue xD clever!!11
>captain is hydra all along since the 40's!!!11
It's literally just a terrible story line and the writer thinks he is being a clever fuck.
>>83118106
>tfw Red Skull steals your husbando
>>83117775
Marvel just spent nearly a decade making it clear in the global public's mind that Captain America is a good hearted urbane liberal libertarian American whom everyone can go and pay money to watch movies of, not a redneck kick down your door bomb your country for no reason conservative wingnut Americunt.
>>83118063
I don't know, go ask everyone who is going to vote for Trump why they do it to themselves.
We never fucking learn. Reagan destroyed the economy, it took Bill Clinton to fix it, then Bush destroyed it again, and Obama had to fix it.
So I guess it's time to destroy America's reputation as a civilized country once more. Fuck us.
>>83115972
Ok so get this, and this will piss off DnAfags but towards the end in this comicSteve goes with Jack Flag to save Selvig, they do, Steve and Jack Flag go on a helicopter with Selvig and at some point Steve pushed Jack out of the helicopter and says the Hail Hydra
>>83117791
I can't look at this mask and see anything but X. THE ELIMINATOOOOR.
>>83118093
>>83115972
Ok so first was superior Spider-man, then superior ironman and now Captain Hidra? I'm fine with it
>>83118093
>And so senator Bernard "Bernie" Sanders after having exhausted reddit's money finished his campaign on /co/ arguing about Marvel superheroes.
>He committed suicide 2 weeks later
>>83118093
Hey, we didn't know the blankets would get them engines sick. Shit, we spent a lot of time sewing those up real pretty like.
I thought making Iceman suddenly gay was retarded, but this tops it.
>>83118201
The way Spencer write him he might as well be.
>>83118174
Oh fuck if it's true then fuck Spencer, he is such a minor character but reading about him in GotG made me care.
>>83118282
I hope people make similar jokes about the Black Death some day.
>>83117710
MCU Steve is protestan if his dog tags are to be believed, but a catholic 616 Steve makes more sense
>>83117775
I doubt Spencer and the editors are that clever.
>>83118116
Well, they did have a pretty good look with the eagles and dusters.
>>83115972
>/co/ is actually outraged by this twist that is so very clearly a hook to get readers interested in the newest storyarc
I swear, it's like you guys can't go five minutes without being butt-blasted about something.
>>83115972
Well tumblr is buttblasted about this too which means Marvel will make money.
>>83118540
It's annoying and been done before if true (see every retcon from the mid 80s onwards) and if not true (Falcon retcon about him being a pimp proven not true). It's stupid because I would rather have new stories than another dumb gimmick.
>>83116304
Not the first time Red Skull's even fucked around with Steve's perception of history.
90% sure he did it with the cosmic cube more than once.
>>83118652
I'm hoping for a Alt universe Steve
>>83116277
>>83116294
Elliott Kalan is the hero Marvel needs.
>>83118164
none of that is remotely close to being true
>>83118920
>the recessions in the 80's and late 00's never happened
Okay, /pol/
>>83115972
10-15 years from now, this will appear in that CBR feature about forgotten/dropped storylines.
Not even remotely phased by this.
>>83118101
I hate these new Marvel fans.
>>83118101
Spencer deserves a bit of online bashing though. He's an asshole.
Sad to think Marvel (and DC) think the basis for good storytelling is a twenty year old Weird Al song: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9bYlxqWRe3M
Did they not see the career path of M Night Shyamalan?
>>83120096
this
Take that, stupid white man XD
>>83119531
Yeah it will be like the arc ICE where the military actually found Steve In the ice and left him there because they knew he would stand against the use of the atomic bombs.
>>83116344
>Arc-V in my /co/
reeeeeeeeeeeee
>>83117477
But aren't Marvel sales down despite going full tumblr cross all their comics?
>>83117775
I voted for Bernie and critisize American warmongering all the time... and even I think that is some cynnical anti-American pinko bullshit
>>83118006
I don't blame Marvel for these jew tactics since this is how they've always operated. But what pisses me off are the sites claiming Marvel somehow beat DC with this bullshit.
>>83118093
>my college professor Mr. Shekelstein told me all of this so it must be true!
So this is what bleeding cool said that would top dc's rebirth? Meh!
>>83116687
>getting butthurt at another obvious clone/mind fuckery/alternate universe setup shit
>>83118093
Using a biased focused on the negative of a country's history is just as ignorant as ultra nationalists who ignore it.
>Marvel wins
I don't give a shit about console wars, but how the hell is this a victory by any stretch of the imagination?
>>83120521
I will never understand the world of cape comics
>This is Captain America's 'The Anatomy Lesson' moment!!!!
>Holy shit a seismic twist that will redefine everything you think you know!!!!
No it fucking isn't, it's the latest gimmick that no-one will give two fucks about in 3 years.
>>83117025
Pretty much. Then they all become very vocal haters of all cape comics because of their bad experiences with Marvel.
>>83119531
Yeah it will be like the arc ICE where the military actually found Steve In the ice and left him there because they knew he would stand against the use of the atomic bombs.
>>83120682
I'm still waiting for the real Wolverine to come back from the dead.
The metal ooze around him is probably going to power him up or something.
>>83115996
I'm personally super hyped about this. Haven't read much of Captain America comics, but maybe now is my time to jump on board.
This twist probably doesn't make a lot of sense considering Cap's part and personality, but goddamn is it cool, and with a competent writer there could be something to it.
My first reaction would be that this is a fake-out for sure, but that'd just sound like poor writing. I'll definitely give this thing a chance.
>>83120308
Why would you brake for unicorns?
>Rich claims that the Marvel announcement will be bigger/better than Rebirth
>This
AHAHAHAAHAHAHA just proves beyond doubt that he's a Marvel shill.
>yfw it turns out everyone is with Hydra
>yfw everyone stops fighting and has a big group laugh over the fact that they were all fighting for Hydra
>yfw Hydra bring about world peace
>>83120682
>'The Anatomy Lesson'
What I don't get is, how does that story's status as a gamechanger square with the "comics were always socially aware" circle-jerks we get every few weeks? Because that story's only notable for 2 things:
1) It severely retconned Swamp Thing's origin
2) It gave Moore an out for his social commentary
But the 1st one isn't all that remarkable because big retcons had been done before. And if it's the social commentary that made it revolutionary, well, it supposedly had been preempted by 50 years of comic book history by that point. So how did it revolutionize comics in that fashion? Did it make them even MORE aware? Did eating plant dick make comics increase in awareness by a specific percentile?
GUYS, I HAVE ITSteve never came back from Dimension Z This is an Arnim Zola clone.
>>83116294
I'll be honest. I really like the look of Spider Storm and I don't even hate the idea of Thing Jr
>>83120308
>I voted for Bernie
Good job wasting your vote
>>83121338
we can only hope
HAIL HYDRA!
>>83121521
>Team-based politics
And this is why 'Murrica's elections are Third-World-tier.
Scratch that, most developing countries in the Americas have had or will have more civil and less morally bankrupt elections than the USA will in November.
>>83121793
no they're all pretty shit and pushing all those countries towards civil war
except Canada
>>83115996
>>83115972
Obviously Red Skull is behind this.
This will just be the Superior Cap book for a while since it sold so well with Spidey and Ironman
>>83122186
What if it's ultimate cap?
>>83121935
>except Canada
>just elected one of the biggest leftists in history on nothing but a nice smile and daddy's name
>not "pretty shit"
>>83121499
The only word that does justice to Spider Storm and Thing Jr. (I wonder if his real name's Benjy, too) is "rad".
It's sad. In that one panel, you've got an amalgam, a kid version of a hero, a genderflip/unexplained legacy of a person's name and a recolor - a fraction of the gimmicks Marvel's dipped their toes into over the years - and they're all less callow than what we ended up with in ANAD. The joke has turned to ash in my mouth.
Red Skull plot or not, if it is true and by all indications it is even though we haven't seen more than one page. This pretty much knocked the main stream Marvel comics into trade statues for me since I was already very meh on it due to Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Well, I might still pick up All-New, All-Different Avengers, Amazing Spider-Man, Black Panther, Black Widow, Mockingbird, New Avengers, Spider-Gwen and Ultimates monthly.
>>83116299
This. False memories . No way is cap an actual double agent or "manchurian" super hero.
>>83122348
Black Widow is a tradewaiter for me based on pacing. Worked in the first issue but I was bored in the second and stopped keeping up with it.
>>83121521
Literally how? It's a two choice primary. If he votes for the losing side and still loses, it just means his vote was already meaningless.
>>83117025
You are correct except for one point. The readers don't stop reading. They spend a lot of time and energy arguing about the shit Marvel pulls while they consistently hold out hope that Marvel will eventually stop messing with them.
Also, it's funny you mention Vision since even though the book is actually quite good, the premise can be summarized as "Marvel is messing with you once again".
>>83122317
Do you think he would have been elected if he had delivered that vile beatdown of that poor, defenseless woman during the campaign?
>>83122914
yes the woman and minorities would have had no choice but to submit to the oppressive rule of that cis-white male patriarch
>>83122317
Don't forget. His best quality was that he's not Harper.
Thanks to him, Canada has finally finished it's Bush era.
>>83122914
Trudeau throwin' bows in a fit of pique is the least egregious thing he's done.
t. hick American.
>>83117638
I think it's more that he was created by Jews as the antithesis of the nazis, and then they basically just made him a nazi.
>>83123474
that tends to happen to jews
>>83117638
>The fuck man, the MCU has created this "I don't read comics, wiki's are all I need" section of fandom.
I wouldn't say it's created them - they were always around, but we used to call them posers (before everyone decided that they never existed).
But they've certainly beenempoweredby the MCU playing fast-and-loose with details from the comics.
These are the people gatekeeping was meant to keep out.
>>83115972
Ah yes, he's ensured Hydra's world domination by foiling all their plans for the last century. Genius.
>>83123851
he lured the world into a false sense of security
>>83123851
>implying that wasn't part of the plan
>>83123851
>implying that isn't the best way to lull people into a false sense of security
wattamark
they're clearly saving the REALLY good plans after they turn him
>>83123851
>MUH LONG CON
>>83115996
>>83115972
You know what, this explains the new Shield. Everyone said that it doesn't even fit Captain America. A fucking blade on the tip? We thought they were missing the point of the character but it was actually a RUSE all along.
Bravo, I guess?
>>83118652
like a dozen times the red skull has mind fucked captain america.
This explains why Cap was so villainous during AvX
Yeah, nah. I don't care what the explanation is I'm dropping Marvel for the forseeable future.
>>83116467
>Captain America is HYDRA is Captain America
It was stupid when Hickman did it in Secret Warriors and it's stupid now.
>>83118310
they do.
there's a nursery rhyme about it.
Most mind blowing twist since that time they revealed that Wolverine was the founder and man in charge of the Weapon X project
>>83124579
I thought we all silently agreed to never talk about Romulus ever again?
>>83124282
I want to, but there's a couple of books I like to read and a couple of authors that I want to support. Mainly Ewing and Waid. But I'm definitely seeing why Feige took the first chance he could to get away from Marvel's creative control.
It doesn't change the fact that literally everything Marvel publishes is better in a trade format since you can read the entire storyline at once and it's usually far enough away that you've had a chance to stop being irritated by the stupidity.
>>83124926
Waid doesn't need my money and I don't know anything about Ewing so I don't particularly care about him.
>>83115972
Comics are truly like professional wrestling.
>>83124926
Read what you want, don't read the ones you don't want to. Doesn't seem that hard.
I'm not dropping Wolverine because a Captain America book is stupid. I'm just going to avoid the stupid Captain America book.
>>83118247
captain hydra a qt
So is he Captain Germany now?
>>83115972
#givecaptainamericaaboyfriend
>>83117131
Is Magneto his father?
Posting the leaked Steve Rogers Captain America #1 pages
>>83127720
>>83127749
Finally the big reveal, or is it a machination of Red Skull?
>>83127814
HOL UP IS THAT BUCKY
>>83127838
It's Jack Flag.
Aka that guy who /co/ only knows in Guardians of the Galaxy and maybe that one issue of Thunderbolts.
>>83127927
So Jack Flag is the Bucky in this universe? Because it suspiciously resembles Bucky's own fall in Winter Soldier.
>>83115972
>>mfw Captain Hidra is my fetish and I added this title to my subscriptions
>>83115972
Oh horseshit.
>>83116277
> stupid AR shit finally brought to light
Ah, now I remember why current Marvel disgusts me. The desperate attempt to stay current and relevant only to fall flat on it face then blame its readership when it does.
>>83127794
Is this shit for fucking real? Please say no. Please tell me this is some AU Cap.
>>83128644
Nope. We need to make room for good Sam Wilson to be Captain America. That old white one? Always evil.
>>83128644
If it's not Red Skull with Xavier's brain implanting false memories or cosmic cube nonsense, then it will be soon, because the reaction to this has been extremely poor.
>>83128644
It's Red Skull mind control shit. He still has Professor X's mutant powers.
>>83128726
The Hydra recruiter has red all over her in a flashback that is otherwise black and white. It's not very subtle.
I've been reading for too long to give a fuck any more.
It's just Shadowland all over again.
>>83118201
You too?
Pick your poison, /co/. Steve will either be gay, or Hydra.
>>83118920
You are so wrong that it hurts to read.
>>83128644
It's probably Red Skull fucking with Steve and giving him false memories. He still has Xavier's brain in his head and can probably do that.
The hydra recruiter is wearing red while everything else is black and white.
>>83127794
>SECRET MEETING flyer
>>83128782
Why not both?
>>83128782
maybe his boyfriend will be red skull
>>83128845
Marvel won't do a gay villain because gay people cannot possibly be evil.
>>83128845
>The Gays have been a Hydra conspiracy all along
Makes sense.
>>83128782
Why not both
>>83118201
that my go-to voice for zemo
>>83128875
>not Zemo
>>83128965
fangirls are going to love this shit, all their dark AU fic is now plausible
>>83118951
>>83128822
The president does not have magic control over the world economy.
>>83128984
I'll never be able to unhear it now.
>>83121125
>competent writer
>marvel
Pick one.
>>83129292
It was all just a coincidence! Saint Reagan and Lord Bush are stainless innocents!
>>83117791
Fat Zemo is fat.
>>83129606
the soggy mask makes him look gross, I hate it
MCU synergy when?
How is this new?
>>83124376
Yeah, it worked in the movie because Hydra was a completely underground thing for decades.
Nick Fury having been fighting his own boss for years and years as some kind of elaborate ruse was beyond stupid.
>>83127814
I imagine that his thought process on the fall down was basically "I should have stayed in spaaaaaaace."
This is the second time he's been plucked from obscurity just to get fucked over to create drama.
No character deserves that.
You have TEN SECONDS to explain why you're still reading Marvel comics when every form of media has better iterations and stories featuring their characters.
>>83130234
Vision is good
>>83130234
I give up on both the Big 2. At least Marvel movies have good versions of the characters right now.
>>83127814
So Jack Flag is dead? Ok, he had a shitty as fuck origin and it never got retconned anyway.
>>83117822
You're retarded
My great-grandfather's great-grandfather (or maybe it was his great-great-grandfather?_ was an Irish Catholic immigrant who converted to protestantism to marry his wife and this happened sometime in the 1820s
For the next 100 years until my great-grandfather met my great-grandmother my family was Irish Protestant, not of Scots descent at all.
>>83130234
>implying I'm actually reading any Marvel books besides Vision.
>>83130625
>>83130272
>only one book is good
>say the comics are shit and the movies are better
>LOL FUCK OFF CASUAL
so who is right?
>>83123851
Maybe getting caught was part of their plan.
>>83130674
Vision is good m8
>>83118164
>I don't know, go ask everyone who is going to vote for Trump why they do it to themselves.
You got a choice between:
- The party that does nothing for you, expresses open contempt for you, and is popular with a world's worth of people that you'll never deal with in any meaningful capacity
- The party that does nothing for you, keeps their shit talk to themselves and represents the worst fears of people that you'll never deal with in any meaningful capacity
Whatever you pick is a reflection on how much you value vanity while you're being fucked in the ass, and little else. Goofy Centrist 1 vs Smug Centrist Alpha - what a choice!
>>83118164
>I don't know, go ask everyone who is going to vote for Trump why they do it to themselves.
There is no point in living in a peaceful world. There needs to be conflict.
>>83129502
Damn son, calm down and stop projecting.
>>83117710
doesn't make sense, tho, his parents were Irish it's only natural for him being catholic
>>83115972
Maybe reality set in?
>>83115972
Why is /co/ outraged? Aren't cliffhangers or covers showing a good guy doing something completely out of character pretty common in comic books?
>>83118164
Reaganite deflationary policies are the main reason the economy boomed in the 1990s along with the opening of markets in the wake of communism's collapse, also spurred on by gorbachev realizing Reagan's America was stronger than his USSR
You're literally living in a fantasy world where Clinton getting into office magically makes the economy boom
>>83130927
>le enlightened fence-sitter face
A great way to feel superior to the liberal because he knows slightly more but still not enough to actually know what the fuck is going on
>>83132324
tumblr is outraged, so /co/ is outraged.
>>83132223
>wrest control from the bankers who own you
It's supposed to say Jews
Is this the censored version or something?
>>83132324
I'd wager that it's more to do with how Marvel may or may not try to steal DC's thunder with this reveal.
Not that it'll be able to, though. It's mostly just Rich Johnston who believes that.
>>83132324
No one is outraged, it's just a shitty and lame twist/gimmick being called out for what it is.
Like has already been said a few times, it's basically just Superior Captain America, just like Superior Spider-Man and Iron Man and the AXIS stuff.
We already know he's not HYDRA or a Secret Nazi All Along, it's Red Skull altering his memories. It will be a meaningless, forgotten speed bump in Cap's history.
Just read it.
Love almost everything Spencer has done.
Think Jesus Saiz is a severely under-appreciated artist (Brave & The Bold was awesome).
This was a dumpster fire of a comic other than the art.
Between this and Sam Wilson's book, I'm ready for Spencer's tenure to come to an end on this franchise.
>>83132324
It's just stupid
>>83132223
>>83132435
What fence? There's no fence this time, everyone's up to their necks in shit. It's not even varying degrees of shit based on where you stand, just different colors. Pick a side, you lose, do nothing, you lose, move to Canada, you lose (and you look like a hypocrite if you made fun of people who planned to do the same thing when a candidate they didn't like was running). If you're not actually directly involved in a campaign, all you can do is try and keep your head up.
>>83116277
I would read about hulk in the grand budapest
You know, I'm not even mad about it really. This is about par for the course for Marvel but should have known that Spencer would fuck the landing after Ant-Man but Stand Off showed promise.
This is just going to be a rehash of that story where Steve fights that Red-Scare fascist Captain America: Commie Smasher. Another Steve will show up in issue 2, 3, or 4, and the payoff will be him breaking Captain Hydra's shield with sanctimonious mimicry of the "Get up so I can knock you back down" speech.
>>83132724
I know it hasn't been very long but is it too soon to say that Spencer has been shit since Secret Wars ended?
>>83132977
He's been shit since he started writing Ant-Man. Seriously, you can slowly watch him become worse as it progresses.
>>83116304
And suddenly steve on team minority report makes sense....
>>83133262
Recent solicits suggest that he's trying to calm down those sides.
>>83116294
>Xavier
>Now things are rolling
Are these people still working on Marvel? Or they left after?
>>83133305
Laura having to kick his ass suggests he's not making a convincing pitch in either direction
>>83116294
>spider-man converts to Islam
SO he can bang Kamala?
>>83133410
Is Laurateam minority report?
>>83130234
New Avengers is pretty much the only Marvel book I actively follow, and I have never paid money for it
similarly I barely follow DC anymore either, indeed Rebirth is the first thing they've done that's interested me in at least a year or two
>>83117975
Man, they are really gonna use Alex Ross to promote mediocre comics until his wrists break aren't they?
The covers are amazing and that's about it.
>>83118063
/v/eddit, you may need some perspective.
This is Steve Lieber and he is a chill guy but he has been drinking the kool aid and the book is not half bad and can be good at times, so don't be a retard and just place him under the sjw umbrella, even the best of them are under strict orders.
Also Sam Wilson is not a bad character and Steve has been acting like a grumpy asshole for well over 6 years now.
>>83115972
That's fucking stupid
>>83127829
How...the fuck is he young again?
Also I thought this was supposed to be the straight good comic to wash out the idiocy of Reburd.
>>83133456
She is definitely not Team Minority Report
