So he's the gold standard in regard to mature comics and the rest is either kiddie stuff or pretentious hipster carp like BLACK HOLE ?
>>83006462
"Mature" comics have been coming out in Japan and yuropooristan for decades with quality as high or higher than anything Moore ever did and without having to resort to fish rape.OK, Japan definitely has fish rape, but still...
>>83006462
Nice, diversifying the meme eh.
>>83006568
I've yet to read a manga that's not pseudo intellectual bs. Oh look, battle angel alita is quoting Nietzsche...lol
>>83006581
Unlike most of you I have a life so I can't post on the old threads once I get home. I just like to keep the discussion going.
>>83006568
Tell me. What comic is as good as watchmen or from hell.
>>83006909
So much of a life that you have made the same boring thread topic every day despite getting less than 30 replies each time. Nobody cares about Black Hole or your opinion about it
>>83006759
I'm sure a lot of that is because shit gets lost in translation.
>>83007174
A Contract with God, Bone, The Incal, The Airtight Garage, Hellboy, American Splendor, etc.
I can go on.
>>83006759
I've never read any of that manga with pseudo-intellectual bullshit. I just stick to moe slice-of-life and generic SJ manga. May you please recommend me some of this kind of manga? Pls no Urasawa.
>>83006759
>battle angel alita
You realize that shit is the Japanese equivalent of Marvel/DC/Image, right?
Try reading something that's actually well written.
>>83006462
>this fish rape comic sure is a load of carp
>>83007501
Eisner and Pekar are shit.
>>83006462
Moore doesn't even want you reading his shite. He's want you to read these.
What's amazing about Moore right now is that in the series of variants depicting various Lovecraftian monsters and entities...he's using his OC version of Nyarlathotep and it completely works.
>>83007501
Thanks
>>83007633
Battle angel alita akira death note full metal alchemists...
>>83007696
Like what? A friend recommended it to me saying its the best story ever written...
>>83007428
Could be worse. He could be that one Gwenpool shitposter.
so is cinema paradiso (i hope thats the name) any good?
>>83007978
sigh if only i cared about lovecraft shit
>>83008014
Or, he could be much worse, that AoS isn't canon guy.
>>83008047
Cinema Purgatorio is an anthology and Moore only does the framing story.
Which was nice.
The best story of the first issue is Gillen's mad maxian Pokemon parody
>>83008100
>The best story of the first issue is Gillen's
must be a really shitty anthology then
>>83008152
Only like 2 stories knew how to pace their intros to only 5 pages.
>>83008100
How much framing does he do? Like decent story stuff or just like the crypt keeper setting a story up and a making a pun?
Gillen's pokemon thing was the only one that stuck in my memory from the announcement
Moore a shit.
/thread
>>83008215
It's more like a Twilight Zone opening.
Guy goes to weird movie theatre.
Guy sits down, watches a movie that shouldn't exist, and then decides to catch the rest of the matinee.
Cue the start of the issue.
>>83008276
Fuck it.
Let's do it here then.
It's only like 8 pages.
>>83008316
>>83008276
I really love the idea of Moore as the Rod Serling of the anthology
>>83008338
Not gonna lie, that bit with
>>83008341
Especially with that cheesy pompadour.
>>83006462
He's an absolutely incredible writer but much like Kubrick or the Beatles he also happens to be very overrated by casual audiences who frequently point to him as the only comic writer that matters aside from Stan Lee which leads to hipsters hating him.
And that's it.
>>83008448
>>83008462
poor Fatty Arbuckle
>>83008539
May he RIP in peace.
>>83007430
It's not, the Japanese are a really closed people and they really do think real superficial stuff is ultra deep.
There's a lot of really good stuff out there, but most of the "brainy" stuff is pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
>>83008433
The kind of hipsters that like BLACK HOLE
>>83008338
>running a woman over so hard she spontaneously gives birth
>>83007872
Moore liking Woodring has to be the least shocking thing I've learned in a while, especially since Woodring creates comics based off of "visions" he has.
>>83007430
Pretty much this >>83008696. Japs tend towards complexity moreso than profundity in their works. Hence how labyrinthine the casts and ongoing dramas of Japanese works tend to get, yet the themes are shallow. What is only a little depth to us is enough to cover an entire work to them.
>>83008696
>>83009264
Huh, that's interesting. Do exceptions to this exist?
>Watchmen
>rips off a bunch of old timely heroes
>that pedo erotica thing
>rips off a bunch of old timey fairy tales
>League of XG
>rips off old timely fantasy characters
>current book
>rips off bunch of Lovecraft characters
Has the hack ever done anything original?
>>83009608
>Huh, that's interesting
Also inaccurate.
>>83009991
Could you explain? If those Anons are wrong, I'd like to know why.
>>83010045
They're using stupid examples like "hey, the japanese have those stupid long running dramas they're so bad hahaha" um...those are called soap operas over here....they're...not specific to asians. Isn't the young and the restless still fucking ruining?
Also, the majority of this board is obsessed with superheroes and a lot of posters read superhero comics exclusively so it's kind of hilarious for them to speak of profundity. I'm sure most posters on /co/ don't really know much about asian fiction, books, manga or movies above the entry level stuff. For movies specifically, the average /co/mrade mostly watched blockbuster movies, so...
>>83010192
I don't think any of them used soap operas as examples, just long running dramas. Granted, I've read a total of 3 manga and started 2 others, so I wouldn't really know if anybody here is right or wrong.
>>83010305
long running dramas are soap operas, anon.
Also, one anon said they tend more towards complexity than profundity but one of the most popular american tv shows is Lost, which is the poster boy of being too concerned with complexity and forgetting to be profound.
>>83010449
Not necessarily. The Sopranos and The Wire are long running dramas, and by no means would I call them soap operas.
And you still haven't told me why those Anons are wrong, you've just attacked Western works.
>>83007993
Your friend is an edgy emo teen.
The best manga are:
Akira (colorized version)
Sanctuary (probably the pinnacle of the medium)
Heat
Crying Freeman
Black Lagoon (not serious, but possibly the most entertaining action series ever in the medium)
Ghost In The Shell (probably the most intelligently written sci-fi in the medium)
Berserk (debatable, but it's definitely intense as fuck)
Lone Wolf and Cub
Vagabond
Hotel Harbour View
Memories
A Bride's Story
Kokou no Hito
Benkei in New York
A.D. Police
>>83010553
The Sopranos and The Wire are not long running drama. The Wire is not even long running.
>>83010559
no.
>>83009608
Of course exceptions exist, we aren't saying literaly everyone of Japanese descent conforms to this one mold. But the trend is undeniable. Japanese have a great ability to physically and mentally coordinate many things at once, but they lack raw intuitive. Study Japanese stuff enough and you'll be imparted with a sense of stiffness. Things feel much stiffer and jerkier on the whole. The level of detail however, and in illustrative terms the linework, is astounding.
>>83010643
The Sopranos ran for 8 years, the Wire for 6. How is that not long running?
>>83010961
6 years isn't long running for a tv show. 12+ is. They also have a smaller number of episodes per season.
>>83010686
Could you recommend some of those works that break the mould? Not that I doubt you, I'm just curious as to what they are.
>>83007174
Charley's War
Fury MAX My War Gone By
Planetary
Conan volume 1 (Dark Horse)
Punisher MAX (Ennis run)
All Star Superman
The Dark Knight Returns
Daredevil Born Again
The Incal
The Airtight Garage
Silver Surfer Requiem
Andre the Giant Life and Legend
Andre the Giant Closer to Heaven
Godzilla In Hell
The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck
Aldebaran
Antares
Betelgeuse
Crusade
Largo Winch
I.R.$.
Chandler Red Tide
Nexus
Badger
Scout
Mister X
Electropolis
Terminal City
Button Man
Grimjack
American Flagg!
Time2
Foolkiller
Sensational She-Hulk
Stray Toasters
Ginger Fox
Ronin
Hard Boiled
Mesmo Delivery
Coutoo
Julius Corentin Acquefacques, Prisoner of dreams
Vic and Blood
Lone Sloane
Margot
Long John Silver
Hitman
Blueberry
Cherry Poptart
Little Annie Fanny
Blazing Combat
Batman Year One
Hard Boiled
Morrison's Animal Man
Morrison's Doom Patrol
>>83010559
Add Lady Snowblood to that.
>>83007174
The Sandman
>>83011345
Some of these examples are laughable.
>>83011420
Like what?
>>83011345
>Morrison's Animal Man
>Morrison's Doom Patrol
Nice try Grant.
>>83011440
Godzilla in Hell, Silver Surfer Requiem, Hard Boiled, Punisher Max, She-hulk...
>>83006759
Steel Ball Run
Beserk
Samurai Champloo
Zetman
Anything by Go Nagai
Fist of the Blue Sky
Cyborg 009
The 2000 Astro Boy
The Big O (basically Batman TAS with Cowboy Bebop elements)
>>83011107
That's a different kettle of fish. Successful products from any demographic will tend to represent the centre of its bellcurves.
That said, for a Shonen manga that centres on battles, shenanigans, women with big tits and so on, One Piece feels very western compared to its compatriots. Once you become familiar with the work the japonisms will seem obvious, but there's a resounding quality to the work that, if not un-Japanese of course, is certainly less central to the condition.
>>83010559
Shigeru Mizuki's Showa series
Osama Tezuka's Buddha, and Pheonix
>>83009956
From Hell?
>>83011533
You have shit taste then.
>>83010559
>Ghost In The Shell (probably the most intelligently written sci-fi in the medium)
I thought it had terrible dialogue, poor characterisation, crowded shitty art, bad panel layout, jeuvenile presentation of women and sex and dull political dialogue. Just generally a pain to read all the way through. Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought the film did everything 1000x better and cleaned up most of the schlock to make something quite thought provoking.
>>83008433
Kubrick is a perfect comparison with their place in the history of the medium and their extreme focus on tight form/structure
>>83011107
Not same Anon, but stuff like The World Is Mine is pretty much the japanese Watchmen, in that it came as a response to an era (in this case, it came at the peak of the japanese dark ages of comics). Ugly and bizarre and disgusting and non-sensical, but many big authors in Japan look at it like you'd look at Watchmen in America, as a mold-breaking trend-defying statement.
Then there's the indie series like God's Child that are pretty much as odd and avant-garde as indies get. Or The Music of Marie.
If you want some recommendations of less known, odder works, I can give some.
>>83013064
Not that guy, but I wouldn't mind recommendations.
