Why do people like Darkseid?
I just don't see the appeal, yet it seems like people legitimately give a shit about this character, and get mad when you even slightly suggest he's not the bestest thing ever.
And no, "Morrison" and “DARKSEID IS" are not acceptable answers.
>"Morrison" and “DARKSEID IS" are not acceptable answers.
You can't set terms, anon. Only Darkseid can do that.
>>82942214
The New Gods are cool.
>>82942214
A calculating evil god that always manages to fuck up everyone, including Superman. And yes, he should lose to Antimonitor. And he fell down those stairs because he was losing his power and it was a Superman/Batman arc and those are always barely canon.
>And no, "Morrison" and “DARKSEID IS" are not acceptable answers.
but they are
>>82942612
>And yes, he should lose to Antimonitor.
Does anyone with sense disagree? COIE proved he couldn't do shit but destroy the outer shell.
>>82942214
>expecting good things from a corporate-owned villain
>>82942214
It's a god of tyranny that was voiced by Michael fucking Ironside for 5 years OP you're a faggot
Also this image is perfect reason why
I bet you like MCU Thanos
No OP. Just read New 52 Johns run on JL. Had no prior exposure to Darkseid besides N52 JL and JLU animated.
Any stand off minis or story arcs worth reading to get more out of Darkseid? So far he just comes off as some dick them gets insta-kill by some OP plot device.
>>82942214
>And no, "Morrison" and “DARKSEID IS" are not acceptable answers.
>Thinking Darkseid isnt
Sucking cocks as usual OP
>>82942688
Some people said Darkseid jobbed to Antimonitor merging Black Racer to the Flash with antilife. IMO that's probably the scariest thing since... Parallax merged with Flash.
>>82942739
>ust read New 52 Johns run on JL.
That was your msitake, Johns is well known as being terrible with got characters
>>82942898
It was crap. Stop defending a terrible story
>>82942898
those people are dumb and wrong
>>82942214
I have no idea how someone can like this Thanos rip-off
>>82942824
Batman can kick his ass; Darkseid's a pussy
>>82942702
I can say I am the tiger force and pure evil and shit, but that doesn't make it true
>>82943237
Cuz you ain't Darkseid
>>82943381
Maybe I need a skirt and a dildo helmet; worked great for that nobody character
>>82942214
>Why do people like Darkseid?
Seriously?
He's a literal god of evil, the personification of the concept of tyranny. He's always been an impressive display of power, villainy, a goldmine of great, deliciously evil, boisterous quotes, and with a great, memorable powerset. Dude is the real fucking deal. He's also one of the most powerful characters in the DC multiverse. Old school, Pre-Crisis Darkseid made Pre-Crisis Superman shit his pants. He fell off a bit but in recent years, he's back to his status as a fearsome, incredible being the likes of which strikes fear into the whole of the DC multiverse. Turns out ol' Darkseid over here is an unkillable concept. Not only that, but there are multi versions of him split across the Multiverse, each only an aspect, a shadow of the true Darkseid, whose soul is currently trapped in some kind of empty mausoleum in another dimension, another 'fold' of reality in another fold, entirely The true Darkseid's essence being such that by merely existing in the physical realm, his metaphysical presence is enough to throw the entire local Multiverse into a huge Crisis, breaking reality apart.
He contains within him the Omega Effect, the energies of which allow him great powers and abilities.
One look at you and with a moment's glance, he can decide that you are not worth being within the same space as glorious Darkseid and will erase you from existence with his Omega Beams. Or he can even bring you back. He can even direct that shit to wherever he likes. Or he can also trap you into an endless loop of terrible lives, each one terrible than the last, a state of neither living nor dying, but infinitely worse than either, the effect having tremendous, gargantuan effect on your mental well-being.
And that's not even all. He's got a host of other powers and abilities, including still being able to stand toe-to-toe or even out-power Superman, and others, such as telepathy.
Darkseid is some real shit.
>>82943654
Not to mention controlling the entire forces of the planet he rules, Apokalips, and all the resources at his disposal.
Lots of people seem to forget that he is a schemer. Even for all his power, he'd prefer to plan and to plant seeds in place that will eventually fruit his desires. He's got plans within plans, within even more plans. He is the Sauron-figure of the DC universe.
He's also most likely the inspiration for other great pop culture villains like Darth Vader and Thanos. And Mongul, but no one gives a fuck about him.
>>82942739
Final Crisis, Jack Kirbys Fourth World, Cosmic Odyssey, Rock of Ages
>>82943654
>>82943791
Too OP; can't be interesting
>The secret of Jack Kirby's conception of Anti-Life is about as hard to suss as Iago's motivation in Othello.* For all that subsequent writers and artists have transposed onto Kirby's original design, he actually spells out the definition of Anti-Life very clearly in his original Fourth World stories. Anti-Life is fascism: it's not necessarily cruel or even evil, it's simply the absence of choice. Life is freedom, anti-life is slavery. One of the more surprising facets of Kirby's original Fourth World material, for those not already well-versed in the run, is just how approachable Darkseid is: he hardly talks like the belligerent space tyrant we recognize today. He is ruminative, even funny in moments, berating the Forever People for their lack of respect while at the same time lamenting the wastefulness of Desaad's infinite cruelty. Darkseid himself is never needlessly cruel, he simply wishes to do whatever is necessary to annihilate choice, to exert his control over every living creature. To this effect, arguably the most chilling images from the entire Fourth World corpus come early in the Forever People, wherein Glorious Godfrey leads a neo-fascist revival in the name of Anti-Life, seducing large crowds into giving up the pretense of choice in the name of submission - happiness in slavery.
>>82944089
The reason why the Fourth World remains such a ripe body of work is that, for every criticism that can be leveled against Kirby, it is impossible to fault either the depth of his convictions or the historical accuracy of his conception of human behavior. He fought fascists in the War - not fictional cartoon Hitlers, but real, live Nazis across occupied Europe. Darkseid isn't a tragically flawed Doctor Doom or an abstract force of nature like Galactus: rather, he is a living embodiment of a very human tendency towards obedience and power. He can be polite, even jocular, but he is never anything but totally ruthless, committed to the conquest not so much of human territory but of human hearts and minds. It's all about the will: Darkseid flatters himself with the belief that if he can annihilate the human will, that will can be replaced with never-ending obeisance. Kirby was translating the horrors of fascism into the degraded context of children's adventure stories, and the result - while certainly not a fraction as graphic as Pasolini's film - is nevertheless effective.
>>82943153
Here's your (you).
>>82944129
>Salò doesn't waste a second on exposition or philosophical rumination, and there is nothing at all abstract about the action onscreen. We don't see the mechanisms of the fascist state or the rationale of fascist ideology, we simply see the exercise of fascist power. Whereas Mussolini and Hitler built their reigns on comprehensible and legible philosophical platforms - repulsive as they may have been - we don't see anything resembling that kind of rationale in Pasolini's film. What we see instead are the end results of fascism. It's a system that breeds two kinds of people: strong and weak. The strong are empowered by fascism, a doctrine that rationalizes any transgression if it is committed in the name of authority. The weak are dehumanized and objectified, made into empty vessels with no claim to existence other than to serve as vehicles for the exercise of power. CItizens in a fascist state live at the sufferance of the state. For the children kidnapped and tortured in Salò, the state has not merely turned its back on their brutal and systematic degradation but has given the torturers full license with which to execute their wildest and most grotesque carnal fantasies. The four ringleaders of the torment make a pretense of grand intellect (ineptly misquoting Nietzsche in one of the movie's rare moments of levity), but there is no coherent program to their destruction other than the simple formula that if it is allowed, then it must be committed, and since all is permitted, all must be performed.
>>82944089
Sounds interesting; sauce?
>>82944021
Good thing he's meant to be an almost insurmountable enemy to stand victoriously over after much conflict.
I also forgot, since the original Crisis on Infinite Earths never affected him, and it's been revealed that the current Johnseid isn't the true Darkseid, with he and the rest of the New Gods being separate from the rest of the DC Multiverse, shades of their essences flowing through the rest of the Multiverse, yet being home to their dimensions on either New Genesis or Apokalips respectively, there's technically only really one version of Darkseid, giving him somewhat unique status among DC characters.
>>82944164
>It bears repeating: for Kirby, fascism was real. It was a menace that was all the more insidious because it relies on the victims' willing complicity: a fascist state willfully abjures its own ethical well-being, abdicating individual responsibility to the fetish of state authority. Because this authority is absolute, those who function with the state's imprimatur are absolutely free to exercise their will. Fascist regimes invariably produce (or, in another formulation, are produced by) powerful oligarchies, wealthy industrialists and financiers who have helped to construct the apparatus of the state and have been, in turn, rewarded by privileged access to these same apparatuses of state power. The four libertines in Salò are representative of just such an oligarchy. Although it is not explicitly stated, it is heavily implied that they are all war profiteers who are fully aware that the war is in its final days: it would have been difficult for any well-informed Italian in late 1944 not to know that the regime's days were numbered. They retreat to their secluded castle in order to spend their power while they can - but the movie's great masterstroke is never to actually show the end of their power. For all the viewer knows the entire castle is be destroyed by a bomb two seconds after the final scene, but we don't see that. We don't see the Allied forces cutting up through central Italy before finally reaching the last outposts of Mussolini's government - long since a German puppet state. We just see the corruption and destruction of eighteen children, forced to eat their own feces, raped on a pile of broken glass.
>>82944166
http://whenwillthehurtingstop.blogspot.com/2011/01/hole-in-center-of-world-there-are-no.html
>>82944218
>As brutal as Salò is, it's far more effective in what it doesn't show. We see a lot, but it's not the graphic violence or even the rampant coprophagy that offends: it's the insidious and methodical manner in which the victims are so completely stripped of their subjectivity on their way towards becoming objects, a method of dehumanization that surpasses even the most comprehensive vision of rape and physical torture imaginable. This is the triumph of fascism: the successful transformation of the human being into an empty body, to be filled only by the exercise of power. This is Darkseid's dream: not cruelty for the sake of cruelty - cruelty is merely a symptom of power. It's the power itself that he craves, the ability to simply nullify the autonomy of any living individual through the exercise of his will. Whatever cruelty may be committed in his name by his underlings is entirely besides the point, for him. But there is a good reason why Kirby named his grand torturer Desaad: a fascist regime is by definition a torture regime simply because it places no prohibition on the exercise of power.
>>82944276
>By contrast, Morrison betrays little understanding of what, exactly, fascism actually is, and why the hatred of fascism was a supremely powerful animating principle for Kirby. We see, over the course of the story's early chapters, the creeping awareness of Apokalips' presence on Earth. There are a few early heralds - Libra and the Human Flame, who gladly embrace Darkseid's message as a means of self-empowerment. But ultimately, what is Anti-Life? Anti-life for Morrison comes in the guise of a viral meme that nullifies the free will of the entire Earth. It's a computer virus, it's a metal helmet built off the Mad Hatter's blueprints to sap the wearer's will. Darkseid succeeds in conquering almost the entire planet by means of a self-replicating thought meme, but its a hollow victory, easily countered by the heroes. Darkseid should have known better: the only truly lasting fascism is a willing fascism, and his inability to convince the Earth of the righteousness of his authority bespeaks a kind of desperation. Perhaps the fact that he was, in fact, dying, forced to incarnate in a human body after eons of divine corporeality, contributed to the shoddiness of his master plan - but the fact remains that after the helmets are destroyed and Darkseid is defeated, the Earth is scraped clean of the Anti-life plague and happiness is restored.
>>82944315
>Far more unsettling would be a resolution that leaves large swaths of the population ready to willingly die for Darkseid without any compulsion whatsoever, attracted by the allure of power and intoxicated by the promise of ultimate license and the long-sought revenge against deeply cherished grievances. For this reason - if only this reason - the aftermath of Marvel's Siege event betrays a far more frightening understanding of human mob mentality: Norman Osborne is locked away in jail but his followers - addicted to the exercise of power through fear - proliferate in the outside world. Fascism can be destroyed but never really eradicated, because it speaks to something very weak inside every one of us. Salò may confined in time and space to the end of World War II but man's capacity for cruelty - a seeming innate eagerness to accept cruelty as a means of exercising power - never sleeps. That's why Kirby placed the secret of the Anti-life equation in the minds of humanity: because for all our capacity for freedom, we willingly embrace submission to power when given the opportunity. Superman was created as a response to the growing threat of fascism in the late 1930s, but the "final" showdown between Superman and fascism in the pages of Final Crisis falls somewhat short of seventy-odd years worth of expectations.
>* In case you really don't know what I'm talking about: Iago says at various points that he hates Othello for being promoted over him, he hates him because he's black, and he hates him because he thinks Othello is having an affair with his wife. All perfectly valid (or, at least, understandable!) reasons for hating anyone.
>>82944202
Doesn't he also job to Superman all the time? How can you like character that jobs? Unless you're a cuck that always jobs to the bull in real life
>>82944239
That is a good ass article and though I vehemently defend Morrison usually, that's actually a great point that he didn't quite 'get' the point with Darkseid and fascism. It really would've been all the more scarier if people started defending Darkseid even when 'off' the ALE.
>>82944419
DIE FOR DARKSEID!!!
>>82944366
In like, the 90's and early 00's, yeah, back when they decided that he needed to fight Superman all the time for some reason. Darkseid, due to his very nature as an almost 'final boss' of the DCU, works way better when he's used much more sparingly.
>>82944454
Can't remember, were people willing to Life and Die for Darkseid even without the mind control?
>>82942612
>>82942688
>>82942898
Darkseid War was really bad.
Can we just get Morrison on JLA II yet where he can progress True Darkseid shit?
Johns is so checked out at this point.
>>82944131
Thanks
Thanos is a better villain, honestly. In basically every way.
>>82944574
You're welcome, friend.
>>82944419
>>82944459
yeah they made him a common enemy, but he was still ridiculously memorable.
his animated series incarnation was particularly good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTECNKpZAM4
That said he was still beatable easily by Superman.
in the JLU finale they actually really beefed him back up to how he should be. it seems like Superman's gonna job him, but then he just gets up an lol pain matrix. Luthor ended up beating Darkseid by what was it? showing him the source wall or something? causing them both to vanish
>>82944459
Isn't Orion supposed to beat Darkaeid anyway?
>>82944727
Yeah but no one cares about the New Gods other than Darkseid.
>>82944717
>his animated series incarnation was particularly good.
I do agree. Powered down to fucking hell, but still great. Had a lot of great quotes AND THAT FUCKING MICHAEL IRONSIDE, MAN.
>Had I known that one man's death would've troubled you, I would've killed more. (iirc)
>I am many things, Kal-El. But here I am God.
>Don't leave us yet, Kal-El. I want you to see your adopted home world bow down to me. Only then will I allow you death, sweet release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyUgvEVj73s
(just only pay attention the DCAU bits)
>>82944727
Yeah, that's another thing I never liked about it. I always wanted to see Orion teleport in, beaten and battered, moments from dying, only to take Superman's kill at the last minute or something. Fulfill the prophecy.
>>82944838
I really wish we could get a new series dedicated to the New Gods, written by someone who actually understood them, featuring ALL of the New Gods, even the ones that people forget about. So Grant Morrson, sans the whole, "Not getting the fascism allegory," thing.
>>82944654
Isn't Thanos' thing "I wanna kill the entire universe as a love-letter to Death"?
Because that's pretty damn cool.
>>82945070
*gay
>>82944727
As bad as it was, Orion finally did it in countdown
>>82945070
He isn't in love with Death now, he thirsts for Oblivion's cock. very progressive.
>>82945098
Go away Drax.
>>82945070
More like weird, creepy, and beta as fucking hell.
Darkseid is alpha as fuck. Nigga just wants to rule everything with an iron fist.
Thanos is a cuck, I could see why virgins on the Internet would relate to him and prefer him to Darkseid.
>>82942214
I love him because in his best appearances he is so operistic, he is calm and most of all, he's imposing, intimidating and you know that's someone nobody should mess with.
Darkseid has a number of things that are associated to him, and all of those spell power and greatness.
>>82944838
B-but Orion is cool though!
>>82945189
>Nigga just wants to rule everything with an iron fist
That's not really very deep. "I want to kill everything because of unrequited love" at least has potential.
>>82944493
Darkseid War was boring and not paced well. I agree. Johns does seem distracted.
>>82945295
Darkseid has the whole "Rule the galaxies so that way there can finally be order" thing going. Even if he is evil, he only want's what's best for the inferior meat monkeys.
>>82945274
But Orion IS awesome. People just don't know shit about the New Gods somehow.
>>82945295
>That's not really very deep.
Does it have to be, though? In my mind, he's like a tyrannical, megalomaniac ruler like Hitler or Kim Jong-un (or any one of NK's rulers), who sets up a propaganda machine and a cult of personality that ensures his population WILL worship him and be kept uneducated. Darkseid is Big Brother, is Joseph Stalin, is Pol Pot; he WILL keep you in line, or he will break your body and your spirit, so that you will Live and Die for Darkseid, even if deep down, you really don't want to.
And he's also a conqueror like Alexander the Great, or Ramesses II, who want to conquer all and leave their mark on history, simply out of pure ego, will, and drive to do so.
>>82945328
He actually turned that shit in as work. The best part of it were the character moments, but the plot beats were made up as he went along.
>Grail is gonna be important and GODS GUISE! GODS! are the over arching themes
>>82945536
See, now that shit has potential, especially when compared to "Darkseid, evilest evil in the history of all evil evil".
>>82942824
I thought that Omega beams and the Omega Sanction were two different things, and the beams were avoidable?
>>82945258
Yet Earth and New Genesis seem to be able to fuck with him. If some backwater nobody metas from earth can fuck his shit up, how is the rest of the universe supposed to take him seriously?
At least Thanos lets people know he's powerful with the golden glove of doom. I wouldn't fuck with a guy who could unravel reality because he's bored.
Also thanos has actual character beyond "IM EVIL XD"
>>82945563
>But Orion IS awesome. People just don't know shit about the New Gods somehow.
that actually is strange now that I think about it. I can think of a comic creator that wouldn't pay lip service to Kirby if asked about and yet 70's has never really became that high profile.
>>82945636
Nah, the Omega Sanction was something that Morrison came up with and it's not quite obvious as to what it is actually.
The Omega Beams actually should be completely unavoidable but certain writers have had characters avoid them before, like in JLU when Batman 'dodged' it by directing it into a parademon or when the Flashes outran it and redirected it into Darkseid (which works imo when you realize just how fucking fast the Flashes just are).
>>82945652
To be fair, Earth in DC is the center of the entire Multiverse and lots of weird shit seems to happen there. We somehow have probably the highest concentration of highly superpowered individuals in the entire Multiverse. We have Superman, the Justice League, two GLs, plus a whole mess of other beings, many of whom are either on Superman's level, or even above it.
>>82945636
>Omega Sanction
assuming the "sanction" is the same as "effect"
then the omega beans are used to induce the omega effect witch either obliterates you or sends you through time/space
Like with everything Morrison popularizes, people more like the concept of Darkseid rather than his actual character
It helps though for Darkseid that he literally is just a concept. He is just a really evil guy and that's easy to understand.
>>82945801
does anyone have scans of a more modern rendition of the effect per-new-52?
>>82944419
I think he wanted to combine Fascism and nihilism. To Morrison, Darkseid is able to control you through the absence of meaning.
>>82942612
>A calculating evil god that always manages to fuck up everyone
>always manages to fuck up everyone
Darkseid is the god of jobbers.
hes space satan
>>82945801
Unless the target is actively trying to dodge them why do the Omega Beams circle around the room before hitting the guy? That seems like needless showboating.
>>82946072
Looks cool.
>>82945978
That may be true. To be fair, there's some validity in that. What meaning does life have when everything you do is controlled by a fascist? When you are monitored constantly, tortured daily, and forced to commit atrocities you don't want to take part in? Where's the meaning in that kind of existence?
Someone needs to do something more with that. Actually show this shit.
>>82946072
The psychological effect. He's fucking with you basically.
>"Is it coming for me or the guy right next to me? Why doesn't he just hit me with it instead of making it dart around like that? Oh god, just fucking kill me already. I wish I weren't here!"
Darkseid is a complete dick, dude. He'll torture you emotionally right up until he just kills you, or even worse, wipes you out of existence, period.
>>82946072
fun to draw. Also it's like symbolic man! he traps them in the beams like he does with he will!
>>82945274
>>82945563
Yeah I know. It's just people aren't gonna give a shit for him because he wasn't displayed prominently on television like Darkseid was. Casuals and all.
>>82946137
He was in the DCAU though. You'd think people would remember he was in that.
>>82946184
yeah that was only like three appearances two of with consisted of him getting his as beat.
>>82946211
Well the DCAU wasn't perfect, okay?
I have no good reason.
I just have an odd fondness for slightly successful, powerful, tyrants, who are evil for the sake of being evil.
>>82945801
There's not really a couple of pages you can put up which explain what it is, but the idea is that Darkseid forces you to experience a series of lives to break your will. In the case of Mister Miracle, a sort of eternal recurrence/samsara deal where he's eternally reborn to live an infinite series of lives until he breaks out, or it breaks him.
With Bruce, it actively sends him back in time, letting him influence the events of the past (like what happened to the Forever People), gradually moving forward, until it hit the present, at which point the "Hyper-adapter" attached to him would detonate.
>>82946295
Yeah I really wish Morrison made that shit more clear.
I think he can just do with it as he pleases. A sort of pseudo-afterlife deal like with Mister Miracle or he can actually force you to do whatever. Pretty sure he actually sent people across time and space with his Omega Beams in the original Jack Kirby Fourth World saga (which I just downloaded the other day no lie, and plan on finally reading through that shit).
>>82944717
It's implied by Timm that both Luthor and Darkseid saw the Anti-life equation in it's entirety so they had to become part of the source wall
>>82945795
So? With races like the martians and the thanagarians and whatever the hell mogo is, earth is just a bunch of kids in jammies sissy slapping the forces of the unknown. Nothing that should trouble the great void of a character such as Darkseid
>>82946211
>Supposed to Kill Darkseid one day
>gets fukin rekt by Captain Cold
It's a wonder he wasn't more memorable.
>>82946534
>Martians
Died out a LONG time ago buddy.
>Thanagarians
More technologically advanced, yes, but they don't seem to have all the crazy powerful superheroes that Earth just attracts for some reason.
>>82946534
I know that you are baiting all this time.
Utilize I got to say that Earths are the most important planets of the multiverse, with the most powerful beings, the special garden of God, and ALSO the place where all the stories are told - and by the in-universe logic of the comics, the place that makes all the narrative that the world is made possible.
>>82946236
So you have shit taste. Good to know.
>>82946650
That's the writers fault then for not paying attention to the rest of the universe. If I never travel outside America, that doesn't mean America's the most special or that the rest of the world exists because of it.
>>82945536
Then what is this?
>I will take you to a hell without exit or end. And there I will murder your souls! And make you crawl and beg! And die! Die! Die for Darkseid!
>>82946628
In the golden age and post crisis (around the time of brightest day) there are more Martians than just J'onn. Enough to fuck everyone up if they tried
>>82942214
I have a question regarding Darkseid power level.
He is from the Sphere of the Gods right? Does he has the same power as major gods like Zeus or Odin? Is he at full strenght weaker than the Endless and Lúcifer?
Pic not related.
>>82946718
But they are comics IN UNIVERSE. The world literally exist because of them.
>>82946763
How powerful do you think the New Gods are?
>>82946738
Purging of the non-believers. Every god does it, even the judeo-christian one.
>>82946811
So he kills those not under Anti-Life Equation?
>>82944838
Shit, why don't DCEU start with their New God
>>82946800
Well this is the problem.
I don't fucking know. Complete multiversal new gods are a mystery to me regarding their power scale. For what I know the Sphere of the Gods exist outside of the multiple Earths.
>>82946763
I don't know for certain but I get the impression that all DC's Earth-born mythological gods are all smalltime compared to Fourth World Gods
>>82946763
The New Gods in general are more powerful than gods of Earth pantheons like Zeus or Odin, with Darkseid in particular being one of the most powerful of these gods, and probably one of the most powerful beings in the Multiverse, though still certainly weaker than the Endless and probably Lucifer as well. Now those motherfuckers are some powerful fucking entities.
>>82946763
I always considered them high-teir, like Kryptonians on steroids, but due to DCAU bias, it's hard for me to imagine them buttfucking Zeus or Satan.
>>82946860
I hope, HOPE, that they don't fuck up the New Gods in the DCEU.Aw, who am I kidding?
>>82942214
Alright then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw68uJ8DREg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0pcChyV6o4
>>82946800
>>82946886
Well, I don't think that Darkseid would be stronger and have more reach and power than Dream from the Endless.
At the same time Dream says that he probably would be destroyed by Lúcifer in a fight.
>>82946917
It would be nice to have some Kirby works brought to the big screen.
>>82946963
Doesn't it depend on what kind of fight?
>>82946184
>>82946211
Yeah exactly. If you even remember Orion from Justice League you'd think he was a push over and a wimp.
>>82943654
>God of Evil
There's like 8 of them buddy, my personal favorite is the great evil beast from Swamp thing.
>>82942214
He is the platonic form of Tyranny.
>>82946963
Continuing.
But the Christian God is part of the Sphere of the Gods, the same Sphere as Darkseid - and because of it would be a product of human belief like any of the other gods. Still, he God would be stronger than Lúcifer that can alone created and destroy an entire multiverse.
>>82946929
So he can make threats and fuck up Earth? He's far from the only one in the DC universe.
>>82946977
...I have no idea. They never fought, but Morpheus said before going to Hell to get his Helmet back, that he would probably be killed in a confrontation with Lúcifer.
>>82946998
>There's like 8 of them buddy
That is true, but that's also true for basically every other comic book shared universe out there. Like any of them are consistent or never contradict each other.
>>82946964
Yeah, in something that wasn't as cancerous or toxic as the DCEU.
>>82946763
a civilian new god child is enough to stop Superman if at least temporarily.
>>82947132
I always saw Darkseid as more of a god of a SPECIPHIC kind of evil.
All that facism talk and all. While the other new gods of Apocolips also representing other forms.
>>82946886
I get that impression too and I gotta say I'm not a fan, would rather have it so more of an equal playing feel.
>>82947171
Nah, parademons power levels are the most inconsistent of DC.
>>82947203
>I always saw Darkseid as more of a god of a SPECIPHIC kind of evil.
*specificnot that I can talk since I keep on misspelling shit left and right, only really being saved by autocorrect
But yes, you're actually right.
Desaad is pure sadism. Granny Goodness is possessive, manipulative love. And so on.
>>82947132
Who does /co/ think is strong enough of will and kino to take up the gauntlet of the New Gods?
>>82943512
>nobody character
Jack Kirby didn't create any of those.
>>82946763
depends. if you subscribe to the God Wave model of the dc universe (which I doubt because most people hat the idea of the god wave) then they all have the same vaguely defined limits of power. At the very least the new god seem less concerned with acting in our universe
Comics aside, you can hardly deny that DC is already pushing Darkseid solely because Marvel has Thanos coming up.
>>82947710
>>82946763
but again It must be said that few like the god wave.
>>82947669
Jack Kirby = hack
>>82947768
Maybe, but then Darkseid has been pretty big since his inception really.
He was in Superfriends, he was in Superman: The Animated Series, JL, and JLU. Only uber casuals don't really know him.
>>82942702
what is the tiger force? is it like the speed force?
>>82948041
It's not like the speed force.
I can't explain it exactly, but oddly enough, the Japanese Spider-Man manga put the concept perfectly.
It's like the primal instinct to rip another man limb from limb, maybe.
Kirby sure as hell never told anyone.
>>82947958
But isn't he like DC Universe's final boss? Who is bigger than him? Unless DC is planning to build him up for a really long time, they are just making another mistake by playing his card so soon.
>>82948337
>But isn't he like DC Universe's final boss? Who is bigger than him?
the anti-monitor I guess
>>82948337
>But isn't he like DC Universe's final boss? Who is bigger than him? Unless DC is planning to build him up for a really long time, they are just making another mistake by playing his card so soon.
There are a few on his level or even more powerful, like the Anti-Monitor but you're right in that they're basically blowing their load early just to compete with Marvel.
Their own fault for dilly dallying when it came time to establish their own cinematic universe.
>>82948041
it's just synonymous with lifeblood or something man, not everything is an actual thing
>>82942214
Jack Kirby.
>>82948337
Anti-monitor, Superboy-prime, that new chad Empty Hand, and Lucifer to name a few.
>>82948337
Anti-Monitor and maybe Superboy Prime.
>>82948453
Richard Nixon
Your point? I can name off random people without actually saying anything intelligent as well friendo
>>82943153
>>82944654
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>>82945652
>>82947768
Thanos is just a shitty Mongul. Both have silly ultimate weapons (gauntlets/black mercy) and not relevant daughters. Mongul is slightly coolr for fucking with yellow rings and having warworld. Both characters were created by Jim Starlin so the overlap is very obvious.
Darkseid is so above both it's not even funny. Kirby rules.
>>82948550
>Thanos is just a shitty Mongul
Mongul came after Thantos.
>>82948495
If you don't know who Jack Kirby is and why is /thread then you really should go back to plebbit and stop making awful threads like these on our board.
>>82948550
Jim Starlin just ripped off Darkseid for Thanos, then when he jumped ship, ripped himself off to make Mongul.
And then there's Apocalypse. Ho boy.
Mongul's alright, but he's just a pettier, smaller-scale, more pathetic Darkseid. Mongul thinks he's some hot shit, but in reality, he's nothing in the grand scheme of things.
I wish they did more with him in the GL mythos. Remember that one teaser image where he had all the GL rings like Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet?
>>82948616
Except Mongul is more interesting. It was Starlin's second chance to make the same character except this time it worked.
Still Starlin is kind of a shitter.
Guess who he worships? Kirby.
And you wonder why everything is for DARKSEID
>>82948550
Didn't Kirby literally help Starlin create Thanos so that his parody would be at least a good one?
>>82948665
I agree with this though Mongul having warworld, black mercy and getting all those yellow rings makes me like him abit more. Gauntlet story doesn't really pump me up at all for some reason.
>>82948645
Maybe you should go get laid XD
>>82948731
because it has a villain the gains omnipotence in the 2nd issue and just fucks around for the rest of the series
>>82948742
>on 4chan telling people to get laid lol
>>82948683
>>Guess who he worships? Kirby.
>worships Kirby
>writes death of the new gods
anon
>>82948665
>>82948731
Said fuck it, decided to just go ahead and find the picture, then upload it.
I'm sad that they didn't go through with this route. Seemed so much more interesting than what we got.
Also that was his son, btw, who was probably even more pathetic than his father. At least his dad at one point ruled Warworld with an iron fist, as a sort of space warlord. His son had nothing.
Sometimes I wish DC did more with their cosmic stuff like Marvel did.
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>>82948159
>From Spiderman
>Turn into DepressionMan
It like a whole different thing.70s Japanese is scary
>>82946072
Intimidation. It reminds any others watching that there is no escape from Darkseid, and it would be easier to submit to his will.
So what makes Darkseid different from Thanos?
They are both fucking garbage
>>82949578
Motivation?
>>82948819
I think actually characterizing Mongul as pathetic would work. He's the scion of this brutal warlord who was trained all his life by his father achieve great conquests and it never panned out. Warworld fell with his father and he's just not good enough to take it back or carve out his own domain. His sister is around too and they're both constantly warring with each other because their dad expected one of them to kill the other to cement their status as heir. Mongal is in the exact same situation but they'll never realize that cooperating would be the best thing for both of them because of how they were raised.And the truly pathetic thing is that they can't realize they'll never be these great conquerors. Mongul Sr. was a petty barbarian who was too brutal and short-sighted to do anything more than pillage other planets with Warworld. He didn't know how to train his kids to be rulers, just warriors.
>>82942739
>Any stand off minis or story arcs worth reading to get more out of Darkseid?
You really gotta read Kirby's run or the Great Darkness Saga to get a proper feel for Darkseid.
>>82948455
>Lucifer
Oh shit don't tell Snyder
>>82942214
Kill yourselffor darkseid
>>82942214
I love that he is dead in the new 52 and Thanos got fucking Punk'd and put in some jail thing.
>>82944905
>I really wish we could get a new series dedicated to the New Gods, written by someone who actually understood them, featuring ALL of the New Gods, even the ones that people forget about. So Grant Morrson, sans the whole, "Not getting the fascism allegory," thing.
The big problem with the New Gods is that, once you get their story rolling, it has to END. You can't just drive it around forever like a Batman title or something. It's an epic with a clear end in mind and that end involves wrecking the Fourth World and killing off a ton of characters including DC's prized villain. So obviously DC isn't going to let that happen, it's the reason they never let Kirby finish the saga in the first place. But if you don't adhere to that promise of an epic climax then you're just sort of pointlessly meandering about and missing the point. That's why we got no less than three volumes of New Gods in the 89s/90s where they not once actually fight fucking Darkseid.
So if you want a good New Gods comic, you need two things:
1. A writer who gets them.
2. DC actually letting them finish the story.
>>82952239
>The big problem with the New Gods is that, once you get their story rolling, it has to END.
Your story doesn't have to be Crisis-tier.
>>82950829
Will we still get that Sandman movie?
>>82949606
Right?
Hey, remember that one time Jeph Loeb had Darkseid hide in a barn to surprise attack Superman? Well that was a shitty, out-of-character moment for Darkseid but it's exactly the sort of fucked up, petty shit the Monguls would do.
Remember when Mongul Sr. attacked Superman on his birthday, when he had nothing, no Warworld to rule, no power? He was desperate to get his revenge.
The Monguls are a bunch of losers.
>>82950829
I won'tHe already knows
>>82953021
It's "in the works" according to Joseph Gordon Levitz (the guy from TDKR)
Until I see a trailer though, it might as well be in developmental Hell
>>82949136
You're right: writing and characterization that bad will always bring down a story, no matter how hard it tries to escape
This is why just look at it. Scott Free comes home to find Darkseid just chillin out his couch drinking his liquor, why, because he can, and then he hands him a tape of what, his wife (who he brainwashed) in a porn he had one of his minions film, and he sits there while he watches it.Oh and whats next on deck he has superman brainwashed about to run train on her next on film. THUG LIFE
>>82955675
Bullshit, it's just a picture of a guy on a comfy chair. I'm sitting on a comfy chair and I'm not a mondo super villain.
>>82942517
America will win the Vietnam war.
>>82942656
Shit like this is literally why DC's sales are crumbling. Even comic book fans don't want to be around pricks like you. I mean my god, anon, do you understand how low you've sunk?
>>82956032
Take that in buddy
>>82956247
You are not a comic fan, you are a casual that likes comics,
"Darkseid is" It's a valid thing to say, and anyone that knows a little about religion or mythology can understand what that means.
>>82955454
I thought JGL left the project a while ago
Darkseid has a better design than Thanos.
>>82956434
Well, last news I heard he was still involved. Further proof this probably won't see the light of day for quite a while.
>>82948337
>Who is bigger than him?
The imps.
>>82957170
That's true, even if it's not saying much. The MCU is trying its best to make Thanos look cool though, hopefully our lord and savior Snyder does the same as opposed to making him a big, menacing cloud.
>>82946763
in injustice he god slapped around (again) by superman, but zeus was completely beyond the combined heroes including supes
