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Y'know it's been a while since a good ol' fashion political cartoon thread.
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Taft has some impressive penmanship.
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Time for an Assay Ariginal.
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Honoré Daumier is my french political cartoon idol
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>>82934940
>not voting for based Taft and his delicious pie centered policies

Why do you hate freedom?
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>>82935514
I vote not for the pies of the present, for that is an easy road.

Instead I vote for a strong America that will be able to raise up to greater heights, and bring pies into a new realm of deliciousness.

Join with me America, and we can make all pastries great again!
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>>82935451
I feel like I saw this in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark.
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>>82935646
CAN'T SHAFT THE TAFT!
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>>82935693

It represents King Louis-Phillipe taking the wealth of the French, and shitting out titles and appointments.
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>>82935128
Where's the Skeleton Frat Party, I need it
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>>82935762
Taft, tell you what.

I'll get you a place on the Supreme court. You won't have to make the pies anymore... but you will have the last say in judging their quality.
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bump
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>>82936180

You could make this one about Trump and the media so easily.
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pretty relevant today too. its like history is cyclical or something
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>>82936250
Hell, you could take a LOT of these and apply them to today. Shit never really changes.
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>>82935176
>Taft was the original troll
That's fucking uncanny.
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>>82934940
Jabba the Taft
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>>82936276

Yeah, but fuck the Irish.
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>>82936353
>meanwhile in THE FUTURE
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>>82935128
jesus, that could be easily be a kelly strip
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>>82936537
The Chinese bringing are bringing in drugs.

We have to build ANOTHER wall, and the Chinese will build it AGAIN.
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>>82935128
I just imagine the president saying "open the blood gate" during a TV speech or somethin
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>>82935176
>anime posters
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>>82936941
Eh the Chinese are pretty polite....in a relative sense. They respect when you ban them from your country, they don't go all Jihad on you because you said an awful lot of them are going Jihad on us.
Of course 100 years later they get poised to just take your ass over.
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FAT BILLY TAFT.
https://youtu.be/cAR00lNZIf8?t=1h23m44s
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>>82936716
If you've never seen any Asay you're in for a treat anon. I'm fairly certain he was a major inspiration to Kelly.
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This was done by Windsor McCay I think.
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>>82937160
That's fucking rad.
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>>82937124
It's hilarious how the message is either so hamfisted it can be heard oinking, or its absolutely ambiguous.
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>>82936995
Wouldn't that be some shit
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>>82937036
perfect
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I love how back in the day, political cartoonists could actually affect political change; Thomas Nast's cartoons were fairly instrumental in bringing about Boss Tweed's downfall.
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>>82937488
>Imply that's Cuba

I only see 80% of the people in that comic smoking cigars. For shame Kelly
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>>82937773

Man, fuck Europe.
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>>82937773
>copyright 1920
>babby will be 20 years old in 1940
League of Nations wasn't wrong.
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>>82935616

I'm guessing this is about the Franco Prussian war. A really important one that your average american knows nothing about. Absolutely crucial to France and Germany.

>>82935646
>make all pastries great again!
Taft is one bad motha...

>>82936287
People are still greedy, fearful, violent, and are very willing to oppress the fuck out of people who disagree with them.

>>82936289
I'm not even sure if it's original, but that's a good look for him.
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>>82939102

it's hilarious how so many people predicted WWII
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>>82939397
Kek.
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>>82939803
that trump could easily pass for hillary.
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>>82939713
There's a reason we try to keep these threads historical. If they become about contemporary politics that belongs on /pol/ they just get deleted (although I do find it hilarious /pol/ pushed Garrison over the edge to the point he's become one of them).
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>>82939706
It was pretty obviously coming, not even in retrospect.
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>>82939854
It's Milo Yiannopoulos
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>>82937160
Dude send this to any death metal band now!
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>>82937371
I think he found that to be VERY clear.
Like he finds the idea of gay couples adopting children in itself so repulsive that it needs no exaggeration.
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>>82939854

that's not Trump, it's milo yiannopoulos
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>>82939857
If you want to start a thread on historical political cartoons >>>/his/ is that way

If you're gonna start one on /co/ and want to have any hope of actually keeping anyone's attention, I'd think you'd at least want to stick to political cartoons from the few decades.
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>>82939997
Just live with the mistake, deleting the post is fucking pointless.
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>>82940142
>No Mr. Cartoonist I could not tell that was Teddy Roosevelt, thank you for labeling him
Why do so many cartoonists feel the need to label EVERYTHING?
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>>82939940
>I know how to make the people hate our enemies
>we'll caricature their leaders as badass motherfuckers

>>82940052
Well feel free to carry on, I'm just informing you that contemporary political cartoons tend to get posts or the entire thread deleted. You know there's no reasoning with /co/'s mods.
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>>82940253
>MUH SUPERFINE
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>>82937773
>>82937160
Post more Winsor please, I love that guy's cartoons
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>>82939881

I kind of wish this was a Bioshock: Infinite enemy.
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>>82940512
>filename
damn
war is hell
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>>82940253
>Ograbme is embargo spelled backwards
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>>82939940
>>82939964
I'd read a book about the Allied Mafia.
>>82940512
War might be a butterface but I'd still hit it.
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>>82940942
That's very rude to call skeletors sister a butterface.
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>>82940708

Okay, NOW the cartoon makes a little more sense, but why is it a god damn tortoise?
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>>82941173
Yeah. Should have been an octopus.
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>>82940375
Sorry anon, this is the only one that I have.
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>>82939518
...wait, was this cartoonist extolling the virtues of the "american standard of living", "comforts of the humblests home" and "luxuries" during the enactment of the New Deal?

So, right in the Great Depression, where people were lining up around blocks for food?
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>>82941533

That's fucking rad. I'd hang a poster of that in my office.
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>>82935514
Taft was a legitimately great president who's ignored because of a successful use of fat jokes to shove him out of office.
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>>82941614
danke schön
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>>82941675

He's not even fat by today's American standards!
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>>82941598
It's like how retard Republicans today argue against raising the minimum wage, even though it's barely enough for a teenager to buy food for themselves.
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>>82938091
Yeah, but at least part of that was because no one could frigging read. Nast's cartooning described to the illiterate what was going on in clear, unambiguous pictures.

Course the fact that it did take Tweed down is still a big deal, today he'd get a sweet severance package and a vacation while it blew over.
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>>82941736
He is, but he's an average fat.
Like you see him and go "oh it's just a fat dude" instead back then when it was like "impossibly Obese, how do you live like that" fat
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>>82941796

Almost everything they're saying is shit Democrats want now.

Weird how times change.
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>>82941778
Well now a good percentage of them can have nothing.
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>>82941675
>>82941736
He was a legitimately alright president.

He was a president who tried to be balanced and measured in his movements... but he was elected upon the wave of support of Theodore Roosevelt (really, if it wasn't for Roosevelt, Taft likely wouldn't have been motivated enough to run, much less win).

He made an excellent Supreme Court Justice after his presidency with those qualities... but during his time in office they hurt him.

He frustrated the progressives who helped sweep him into office by keeping the Roosevelt status quo (they expected the ball to keep rolling). He frustrated conservatives who wanted to roll back what Roosevelt had managed.

In the end he made few happy. The only reason he had any support during the election for his second term was because the opponents were all either highly liberal/progressive or actually communists. Conservatives put up with Taft because he was the only option left.

In short? Taft tried his best but as level headed as he was, he was the wrong man for the time and both sides disliked him as a result.
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>>82941875
The parties basically did complete 180s during the 1960s.
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>>82939706
Including Wilson.

"GUYS DON'T BREAK GERMANY THEY WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT HATE US."

"fuck you we're europe."
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>>82941875
And yet at the same time they say exactly the same.
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>>82939900
That little smirk on the dad.

ugh.
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>>82941533
Hey man, I don't know the first thing about technocracy, but if it involves giant robot dragons,
fuck I'm in!
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>>82938091
And yet even he couldn't keep the Irish out.
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>>82940215
Pictures were new and not everyone knew what the president looked like.
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>>82942016
It involves putting scientists and tech people in charge of government.

But... they'd probably be easier than normal politicians to convince your program to make giant robot dragons was a good idea.

So, get on that robot bandwagon
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>>82941875
>Almost everything they're saying is shit Democrats want now.
I remember when 4chan wasn't filled with political illiterates.

How times have changed
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>>82942089
More specifically it was the idea that the scientific elite would be more resistant to corruption because of how smart they are.

Which if you've ever seen any techie around funding time you know is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT.
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>>82940375
With pleasure
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>>82942143
Let me help you, anon.
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>>82939270
SHUT CHO MOUF
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>>82942044
Wrong answer there

>>82940215
What is Roosevelt Riding? The tiger has a collar that says Tammany, signifying the political machine in charge of New York politics.

Roosevelt is labeled because although he had a growing national reputation, he took on Tammany Hall when he was still in New York politics. He was on the state level, so he wouldn't be as famous and thus deserved labeling.

He wouldn't become supremely famous (seriously, the guy was like if the Beatles had as a band became president for the time... just without the music) until years after this cartoon.
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>>82942089
>It involves putting scientists and tech people in charge of government.
That sounds like the type of government of the thinking, intelligent peoples.
Which must be why I've never heard about it.
Where do I sign up?
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>>82942221
Yeah, that's the one I was looking for, thanks!
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>>82942378
>this is fine
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>>82942378
A favorite
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>>82942408

That is pretty fucking dope.

Are there prints of these things anywhere? These are great.
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>>82942435
Shit, that isn't Winsor
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>>82942435

This is like an episode of Speed Racer, and I love it.
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>>82942575
why can't political cartoons be this fucking METAL anymore
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>>82942417
What the hell is a Sky Pilot?
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>>82934940
go to /pol new person
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>>82942545

God bless our boys in WW1. Fighting back against giant sea skeletons.
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>>82942588
I suspect it has something to do with the deterioration of the artistic level of newspaper comics in general.
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>>82942590
It's old timey American slang for a clergyman.
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>>82940253
>d__n it
Do you think it's damn or darn
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>>82942636
newfag
i lost my legit old political strips, sorry for bumping with /pol/
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>>82939940
>Album drops June 6
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>>82942640
I know we're not supposed to discuss the Lich Wars and the nine billion dead, but wow what a time
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This is what happens when you let the fucking foreigners in.
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>>82942769
Last one I have, and it's too big for 4chan
http://i.imgur.com/pMJoWJc.jpg
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>>82942782
To be fair a majority of those 9 billion were just reanimated corpses in the first place.
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>>82941778
Not a Republican, but raising the minimum wage IS dumb, all it's going to do is:
>cause more inflation
>raise prices, because the markets aren't going to start selling stuff at the same price while people have more money, they're going to try to get the most bang for their buck
>cause people to be fired because small businesses can't afford to keep paying people more and more, and big businesses have budgets already set by corporate, so they can't afford to pay more either
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>>82942243
>>82942575
They don't depict the Reaper the way the used to these days.
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>>82942777
Looking back I never realized how shitty this comic was. And I'm not referring to the /pol/ edit at the end
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>>82943021
SMBC is hit and miss. The guy thinks he's really smart, and sometimes he is. Sometimes.
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>>82943021
die a hero or live weinersmith
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>>82942730
Probably Damn
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we don't talk about Winsor McCay enough
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>>82943021
>The only answer to buck passing is none, its too hard, unless you're meeeeeeee!

Yeah fuck that guy.
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>>82940200
>the left is on the right of the picture
missed opportunity reeeeee
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>>82943469
>terrorism isn't already inside, with the left outside because he forgot his keys
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>>82942205
With her occupation, her looks, her demeanor, Death had carved out a lonely existence for herself. Meeting people was difficult, keeping them more so. The closest approximation to a friend was the local butcher of men, War. While she had no real reason to buy from him, as her job kept her in steady supply of flesh. She enjoyed the occasional excess albeit with the mild guilt of her overindulgence. And more important it gave her a reason to be around people, be around war. Although she doubt he knew, their idle chats were always the high points of her week. War was gruff and short, in demeanor. Physically he was the opposite, he was quite an imposing figure. Intimating in both stature and disposition, Death felt a sort of kinship in those qualities. She was intimately aware of the unnerving air that surrounded her but around War it didn't seem to matter. While he was short, she was patient. That discrepancy ironically would work well in their relationship. Which was fortunate because very little else did. Both were very accustomed to the walls they put up against others, making their barren social landscapes that much more difficult to traverse. They were equal parts hindrance and reassurance. Easy to retreat behind out of fear of any faux pas. Death would try to express amity, call War by Mars or suggest the meet somewhere other than the market. Only to quickly lose her nerve and he was again, War and she would see him next week.
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DeathxWar OTP
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>>82941675
>fat
>shoved out of office
>implying they could move him
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>>82941914
>Taft likely wouldn't have been motivated enough to run
Just like all fat people amirite.
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>>82936537
The German seems an allright sort.
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>>82937773
Honestly, mom looks like she's about to go win a war herself here.

This should have been the first panel of an epic action comic called "Momma sorts this war" or something.
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>>82939881
I'm not clear why the Nazi's would have a problem with the KKK. Did German's simply fall under their "No immigrants" policy at the time?
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>>82948446
The KKK-hooded figure also has a star of david on it. Also note the black people in the cage dancing the Jitterbug. There are so many mixed messages that I'm pretty sure the artist just didn't give a fuck.
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>>82948391
If nothing else, the emotions for the Trump heads are spot on.
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>>82939881
final boss
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>>82948280
All the immigrants are pretty well behaved except the Irish, but we already knew that.
Though Chinaman can't stop oping up.
>>82948446
>>82948587
I think that's the point. America is supposed to seem like a violent hodgepodge of degeneracy.
Viewing themselves as liberators when their own culture is a corrupt mass of conflicting idealogies and ethnicity come to destroy them.
And just because you hate the same people doesn't mean you can't hate eachother.
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>>82948888
The italian and the russian are definitely up to something
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>>82949023
Guido is just getting woke up by Mick's loud ass. I think that's just how Boris' face looks.
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>>82942435
>the caption at the top that just says "FUCK"
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>>82949142
>Not recognizing Puck, the greatest political magazine ever.
For shame
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>>82937124
it honestly took a second
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>>82935646
Listen here you fat little shit. The pies of the past weren't any better than the pies of today, you just remember them as better because you didn't have to bake them yourself.

"oh man, making a good crust is hard I have to keep the butter cold and do a blind bake!"
" oh fucking geez, do I really have to core all these apples?"
"The cost of cinnamon is so high, i can't afford it AND my self cleaning oven that my dear old grandmama never had."
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>>82939857

What /pol/ did to BG was absolutely amazing

Should have been a canary in the coal mine for the fact that serious meme wizards had joined their cause and were warping reality to their will
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>>82939045
i didnt see the scrawl at the bottom there for a second i thought he was just labeled
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>>82941533
_ ____ __ ____ ____ robot dragon.
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>>82939881

I always thought this cartoon was oddly flattering of America. It's basically saying "EVERYONE RUN: AMERICA IS A SIX-ARMED LIVING INCARNATION OF MADNESS AND WAR, AND CANNOT BE STOPPED"
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>>82941722
>danke schön
more like DANK schön amirite
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>>82937773
Reminder that giving women the vote was a mistake for this very reason

>muh children
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>>82939881
How can we possibly hope to defeat a man with the mind of a Klansman, the arms of a boxer and the world's most beautiful right leg ever?
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>>82949171
>the baskets have bottoms
the people of the past were dumb and i'm glad they're dead
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>>82935176
>worried
>worried
>FUCKIN' PISSED
good ol' Teddy
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>>82949421
We ATTACK HIS HEART!
Which is apparently jitterbugging Negroes.
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>>82939270
>Franco Prussian War
say no more
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>>82949475
We need him now more than ever.
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>>82943162
>eats snakes alive
I'd rather see someone be eaten by a snake alive.
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>>82949497
>troll face
Man, that really dates this comic.
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>>82948615
Breitbart guy
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>>82949602
dated you say?
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>>82949302
_'__ ____ _______ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ ___ so long!
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>>82949455
Of course they had bottoms, otherwise they would have called it Hoop and Net Ball
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>>82942938
So then what DO we do about the slow disappearance of the middle class and broadening of class divides?
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>>82937124

The trick answer: neither A or B. Parents are often ill-equipped to raise their children.
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>>82949704
I don't know, but we definitely shouldn't be contributing towards it.
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>>82942028
Morn?!
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>>82949664
...nope, can't figure that one out.

>>82949583
Vore is a meme fetish.
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>>82949704

Artificially restrict the supply of labor so that businesses are required to pay more for it

You note that whenever we try to do this republicans and democrats scream "BUT THAT'S RAAAAAAAAACIST"
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>>82949835
I've been waiting to hear you say that for so long!
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>>82941533

You know, as a member of the Technocratic Party, it pisses me off that we have like, 37 dues-paying members.

And that most of those 37 are fedora-tipping autismos who talk about the singularity.
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>>82949835
What is a meme fetish?
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>>82949916
feet, furry, and vore
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>>82941533

> Vote for Technocracy
> Turns out "Tecchnocracy" is just the name of a gigantic city-eating robot dragon
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>>82949943
Those are examples, but I need a definition
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>>82949883
As someone who has not read a lot about Technocratic thought, I have a question.

One of the core parts of Technocratic thought is that when it comes to policy, especially policy related to the sciences and technology, experts should be the ones in charge, and not politicians. But seems like Technocrats ignore that politics plays a large role in these decisions as well. Why would a scientist be better suited for these decisions than, say, a politician with a thorough understanding of science?
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>>82950131
There are very very few politicians with any background in science. Which is the problem. If there were more scientists in congress we'd have much fewer problems
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>>82950131
it's not a very well-thought-through political philosophy, based more on idealism than any actual practical application

sure, it'd be nice to have scientists making laws about science and teachers making laws about education, but all these people would much rather be working in their chosen field rather than legislating, hence why they went into that field and not law or something similar
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>>82950254
I dunno, what about retired scientists?
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>>82950215

The problem is that there are a lot of bugetary and general economic aspects that they might just completely gloss over.


Ideally there would be politicians who listen to and communicate with a committee of scientists to deal with and weigh issues but that simply becomes another matter of politics.
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>>82949627
Again, who?
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>>82950307
Some gay journalist on basically rightwing salon who got big because he shits on SJWs. From what I heard he's pretty opportunistic but anti-SJWs like him because his tendency to troll SJWs and their tendency to take the bait.
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>>82950307
A guy who had a technology magazine, then sold it and covered the GG controversy, and is now writing for Breitbart, which is a conservative news/opinion website
learn to google, kiddo
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>>82950303
Yeah, most politicians also don't have a background in economics either. Which is also a problem.

Otherwise you wouldn't have politicians passing laws mandating doctors give potentially dangerous drugs to women undergoing abortion and fanatic obsession with supply side economics when the economic model has failed miserably for decades.

Or you wouldn't have politicians pushing for a 15 dollar minimum wage.
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>>82950299
retired people generally don't want to keep working
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>>82939778
lol wut?
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>>82942780
Winston's first mixtape is still the hottest shit he's dropped since Dresden.
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>>82944503
I think I prefer The Book Thief's relationship between Death and War.
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>>82949962
I'd vote for it.
Especially if someone can get a video of being eaten...
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>>82949971
A fetish which is also a meme.
Nobody really has a foot/furry/vore fetish; it's all just a giant in-joke.
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>>82934940
What kinda face is the voter making in the last panel
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>>82950307
A right-leaning gay guy who uses his gayness as a shield from the attacks of the left.
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>>82942938
This is wrong, and has been proven wrong throughout history. Labor is not a significant expense for corporations paying minimum wage.
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>>82941938
>Buying into inter war german propoganda

The demands made of germany were actually incredibly light considering the sheer amount of needless bloodshed and expense of treasure they had required. Germany got off far lighter than France or poor Belgium did for example.
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>>82950410
It's pretty impressive that Daniel Tosh made the transition from a clip show to politics and journalism, but why did he change his name?
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>>82950131

I think the general thought goes that it's supposed to be easier to advise a scientist on political concerns, than a politician on scientific concerns.
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>>82950979
Of course it's not a significant expense, but that still doesn't mean they'll pay more than they absolutely have to, so they tell the employers to not hire more than they need to and to keep costs down, and when it comes down to it, if they have to choose between maintaining/upgrading the various shit they have to keep from being outdated by the competition or hiring more lazy bastards to work for them until they decide to fuck off one day, 9/10 times it's going to be the shit, so the money pool's already going to be small from the start
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>>82951352
>Daniel Tosh
That reminds me, is he even on Comedy Central anymore? We lost it a couple of years ago with that fallout with Viacom and Suddenlink, and I figure if they made cuts, he'd be the first to go.
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>>82941914
damn
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>>82942866
They dress up in funny costumes and help us carry ballot boxes?
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>>82934940
Look at this smug-ass motherfucker. Voltaire's got nothing on this guy.
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>>82951970
I think behind South Park he's their biggest show.
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>>82935128

Ok i get euthanasia and abortion but what's stem cell research got to do with death?
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>>82944503
fuck dude
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>>82952035
You're killing innocent unborn babies!
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>>82952027
fuck
seriously?
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>>82952061

But the main ways to get stem cells are from adult donors or birth juice.
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>>82940177
>Filename
Brilliant
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>>82952124
YOU
ARE
KILLING
BABIES
also I thought it was recently fertilized eggs
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>>82952061
>unborn babies
>innocent

they know what they did
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>>82952340
And moderates are fucking indecisive pussies.
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<a href="www.google.com">Home</a>
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>>82936276
I wonder ihow those people in the 1900's who had a hate boner for Irish immigrants would react to the trash we import today and put on welfare
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>>82939045
that's true. Michael BROWN caused his own death by assault a police officer.
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>>82941675
Nah. Taft was a good man, but not a good president.


Taft was an extremely gentle soul, he was pleasant and kind, and had a tremendous laugh that started with the silent trembling of his immense belly, but he was also an extremely-low energy person, and someone who couldn't push people around. Getting things done is hard for him, not like Teddy. He probably wouldn't have even run for office had Teddy not pressured him into it.

IN the end, he was happy to leave the white house, and had said that he considered it the lonesomest position in the world.
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>>82952387
exactly the same as they reacted to the irish.

also they would refuse to believe that the irish turned out okay and were mostly assimilated into america.
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>>82952458
>turned out okay
Well... for the most part, yeah.
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>>82952458
>Turned out okay
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>>82951257
There's a psychological payment. Look at what happened after America went around hitting everyone until someone eventually hit back; they threw the world's biggest tantrum over a couple thousand deaths just because of the affront to their dignity. Germany didn't just get hit back, they lost the whole damn war. That alone is enough to fuck up the national psyche, any additional fines are just fuel to the fire.
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>>82952635
honestly the best solution would have be to go full A-H on germany and split it up in several smaller states with even harsher penalties
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>>82952635
The point of the reparations was to ensure Germany could never/would never dare to start another great war, in addition to paying the cost of reconstruction and other assorted damages of war.

The fact that Germany was allowed to continue existing as a sovereign nation after both starting and losing the first world war is an example of extreme restraint on the part of the conquerors.
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>>82936276
>stardust_immigrant.jpg
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>>82952688
Generally speaking, when you go and break both of a guy's legs instead of slitting his throat, the guy who's legs are now broken doesn't think you've been particularly merciful. You could make an argument that it's an act of mercy relative to what else you could have done to him, but the guy who's now crawling along in extreme pain probably isn't going to see it that way. And when he comes back with a gun, you can yell about being so merciful that you didn't slit his throat all you want, but he's still going to be pissed about his lifelong crippled legs.

I'm just looking at this from Germany's perspective. The guys who jihaded the WTC could have probably targeted the white house or something instead, but you don't see America shrugging it off because the consequences could have potentially been worse.
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>>82952752
All of what your saying is supporting the fact that yes, the victors should have been much harsher.
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>>82952688
>The fact that Germany was allowed to continue existing as a sovereign nation after both starting and losing the first world war is an example of extreme restraint on the part of the conquerors.

Are you retarded? Germany lost Poland and the Alsace and Austria-Hungaria finally fractured into nationalities after WW1. The German states didn't get off scotch-free or easy at all. Plus geostrategically, the Brits were dead set against any power dominating the continent, so actually splitting up Germany was never on the table as far as they were concerned.
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