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Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/
>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed
>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/
>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV
>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#
>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.
>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ0lck7oo4A
>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf
>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/
>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/
>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf
>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/
What's better over a black background; white text or grey text?
>>82850904
White is clearer, but it can get a bit hard on the eyes if it's kept up for too long.
>tfw 0 new views
Yabba dabba doo
post comics
>>82850904
White text on black backgrounds is a big no-no in web design, same with comics.
its a death wish to try and make comics without knowing perspective! im not sure wtf i was lying/tricking myself into believing before hand.
that said
what are some great comics wqith awesome background/scene layout designs?
i need some inspiration as im kinda confused on how to set up badass scenes
blacksad is probably the best comic ive seen layout waise for shit like that
got any others?
>>82851683
Tsutomu Nihei used to study architecture before he went into comics, and it shows. Try reading through his stuff.
![b1c6187053e9b128036f0a55749554807ef0dbdf_hq[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ztbcLoC.jpg "b1c6187053e9b128036f0a55749554807ef0dbdf_hq[1].jpg")
>>82851792
Forgot pic.
>>82851678
Why not go into more detail instead of just giving flat-out no's with no explanation?
>>82852083
Well then fuck off.
Yo: Any traditional media Ausfags looking non-repro blue sketching pencils in Australia and having no luck, check out Officeworks for these chunky bad boys. They're the best thing I've found yet, clear, smooth, non-waxy and eraseable, and they're only a dollar to boot.
I bought a bunch of their Quill-brand artboard, too. I'll get around to testing how it takes ink in a week or so - I'll try and remember to report on the results in one of these threads.
>>82851804
>>82851792
Is Blame worth reading?
I had a friend who was really into it, and I've always intended to read it. And he would always say "Ha, 'Read' Blame? That's a good one."
>>82852149
>colored pencil drawings
it's 2016
>>82852195
You'd like it.
>>82852212
WHY
Trying to make the cat stand out more from Skeggöld with a pattern and spice up the contrast a bit by adding some highlights.
>>82851858
How's that braille computer treating you?
>>82853031
It's the principle.
People should explain because it embeds the lesson better that way.
>>82851683
Check out Judge Dredd: Mega City Two published by IDW. The backgrounds are really detailed and intricate, it's like Where's Waldo.
>>82853031
How's my ass treating you?
>>82852850
It looks a lot better now!
>>82852310
You could always just try it since you brought it up.
If you're posting on /co/ you aren't exactly pinched for time.
New pencils slightly better than old pencils. On track to finish barely on time yet again.
>>82853572
>What's a joke
>>82853686
It still sounded like you were waiting for an explanation, silly exaggeration or not. But if you want to read it, go on ahead.
>>82853777
>you
>>82853668
BARELY ON TIME IS BEST ON TIME
>>82853777
Please don't respond, he seems to exist to shitpost at this point.
>>82853668
I'm glad you went back to the original joke. The punch one seemed almost like a bad strawman comic.
>>82854392
Can it be a strawman if the person is real and just as much of a jerk as I wrote him to be? He was actually worse irl but I doubt anyone would believe that.
>>82854422
>Can it be a strawman if the person is real and just as much of a jerk as I wrote him to be?
Yes, because you'll never know the inside of his mind and the comic doesn't even make an attempt to understand his position.
Regardless of whether you think the real life person was in the wrong or not, your comic depicts a one-note caricature meant to be ridiculed. Even if you don't think your use of it here is uncalled for, that character is a strawman. This does not make you a bad person or curse your comic to being bad, that's just how you chose to present him.
>>82854075
You are stupid.
>>82853175
Thanks! That's good to hear.
>>82854481
Your right i dont know what was going on in the guys head. However, the only side he showed to me was quite terrible and uncalled for in this selling. It's one thing to be given critique in a classroom setting or if you asked for it. Even here is fine because asking for it is implied. Giving your opinion to someone doodling in a coffee shop when you don't know them does say something about his character imo. This wasn't included but he also went on to tell me how he is a successful interior designer and his paintings go for a lot of money. I of course have no way of proving or disproving that but it was quite obvious (at least to me) that he wanted to prove to a random other person that he was somehow better than them when in reality that would do nothing but boost his ego. I wasn't given anything sympathetic to go one is what I'm getting at. Same goes for the other people Mimi has had to deal with so far with the exception of the first guy and the woman with the dog who did nothing wrong.
>>82854653
Setting* i hate this phone so much
>>82854422
>Can it be a strawman if the person is real
Yes, because the only person reading the comic who knows for an absolute fact that person is real is you. Most people who read it especially on /co/ are going to think it's a strawman like 9000 other strawman comics.
>>82853572
that wasnt me
i was the one who brought it up
ill check it out!
>>82854680
It's changed now. No need to worry. I will say mimi wouldn't exactly be happy about the guy getting hurt as she didn't take what he said personally. She's only sad because doodle cat is gone.
As promise, I repost it and add/erase some details.
Now, To work on the next page.
>>82854602
Skeggöld is cute. CUTE!
>>82854653
I think you're missing the point. Your value judgements have no bearing on whether or not the character is a strawman, nor does being a strawman instantly equate to something bad.
You asked if that really counts as a strawman and I am telling you that yes, a character this simple who exists in-comic just to be mocked or harmed in response to his behavior/opinions is a strawman.For the sake of your character writing, but not necessarily real life, I implore you to think deeper on situations like this sometime. There's a LOT of places people can come from when doing awful things, and thinking out the various places these actions can come from really helps in being able to craft characters that are engaging.
>>82854865
My apologies for being unclear. I wasn't defending him as not a strawman. I asked the question in the first place since it was indeed a concern I had in the first place. I wrote what I did as an explaination of why he's written the way he is. When it comes to fictional people I look at their actions (or at least I try to) from many angles. He isn't a fictional person. He's a guy that pissed me off in a starbucks. He isn't afforded the same luxury not that it affects him in any way.
I openly admit that what he said bothered me more than it should have. I hate people like him and I'd like to someday prove him wrong.
Hey /co/ I need your opinion. Which one of these two webcomics would you rather read and why? I think I know which one is better, but asking anyway:
WEBCOMIC 1
-----------
Modest 40 chapters of British Adult Drama/Humour/Erotic/LGBT/Slice of Life/Emotional Rollercoaster (story set in present time, about love & people struggles.)
OR
WEBCOMIC 2
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Epic 300+ chapters of Adult Shonen Parody/Humorous/Erotic/Black Comedy/Absurd/Mindless Fun with sex, drugs and violence on top of it. Story set in fictional magical universe, about typical shounenshit so things like monsters, shipping, hatred, ki blasts, transformations etc.
>>82854986
Hey, it's cool, and I hope you don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I'm not saying you don't think deeply on these things, just that pondering them deeper, ESPECIALLY real ass people you dislike, is a great exercise for writing.
>>82855041
1111111111
Always put the short story as your first priority. Always.
1/3 I have finish dialogue storyboard of my first chapter, the number of page is now set at 40. I am still kind of iffy on the note I ended on, but I don't know how to do subtlety.
>>82855090
Ah nah I don't take things personally here. It's a great means to improve. Believe me, in the sort time I've been working on Mimi here, I've learned a lot. In the real world I think too deeply about the things I read. I just hate this guy so much I can't see anything sympathetic about him. It wouldn't hurt to try though haha.
>>82855112
1/2
>>82855126
lastly wip page.
>>82855041
Unless your chapters are two pages, 40 chapters is not "modest". At five pages a chapter we're talking about a graphic novel. At 20 we're talking about three or more.
You might wanna edit down both stories substantially before deciding
![the-grip[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6ByHrAB.jpg "the-grip[1].jpg")
>>82854820
Thanks! That's also good to hear. I want her to be appealing, but hopefully I haven't made her so cute she gets hard to take seriously.
>>82854817
Super minor nitpick since there's a lot of other stuff you should probably be worrying more about, but it always bothers me when characters are drawn holding rapiers and similar swords like hammers, rather than more like an extension of their forearm. Pic related.
>>82855126
Omega sounds like it would be the lowest priority.
Been out of the game cause life kicked my ass, but I'm steadily going back to making my comic about little girls feeling the bad times.
It's been so long and I didn't like the rushed shit art so I'm redoing a couple of pages, partly for pacing and framing purposes
>>82853668
Nice
>>82855262
Here's the new first page of the comic.
>>82855248
>Omega sounds like it would be the lowest priority.
Technically. yeah... but I just think it sounds cool.
>>82855041
>40 chapters
>300 chapters
Dropped. Whatever it is, do it in three.
>>82855320
Not them, but I hate shit like that.
>>82855145
>>82855126
>>82855112
How long do you take to finish one of these pages?
>>82855248
Will chapter 2 tell us more about who and what exactly the girls are?
>>82855407
I don't think that's quite fair, some stories need breathing room. Either restrict them to twelve of allow chapters to be up to 60 pages.
>>82855112
>who turn off the light
"who turned off the light(s)"
>>82855126
>Aye sir.
To me at least, answering "Aye" to an order seems like it has a very strong naval connotation - I'm instantly wondering if ms. Tiamat used to be in the navy.
>>82855145
>she gets way too excited about this sort of things
"this sort of thing" or "these sorts of things"
>>82855181
>>82855407
>>82855441
For either webcomics it would be about 20 pages in a chapter released monthly in full colour.
>>82855541
>3+ years
>"Modest"
>Even considering a 25+ year investment on the latter.
>ACTUALLY thinking you could do this while updating five days a week in full color.
I REALLY hope you're just an overconfident young artist and not a shitty idea-guy.
>>82855605
Sorry, I meant pumping them out, not updating.
>>82855605
I think I would do that comic for 3+ years only if it became profitable. If there would be no interest after 5 chapters then I could drop it.
>>82855695
>I'll give up if it doesn't make money 1/6 of the way in.
You shouldn't even bother with comics. They don't pay for shit, and you'll just disappoint a lot of teens by bailing on them.
>>82855695
You went from mediocre to just a shit person in one post.
>>82855771
Hey.
Fuck off.
People are striving for a world where people are paid for their services, and you're not helping.
>>82855827
>People should be rewarded for not even bothering with a complete story, instead either abandoning their projects or stretching them out for maximum profitability.
Yes, we need more people like Jeff Jacques and Mr. "Eisner was an untalented fuck".
>>82855320
Yeah but does it sound cooler than "priority alpha"?
>>82855262
>>82855310
Good to have you back - I know I'm not alone in hoping you'd return.
>>82855438
Yes.
Where chapter 1 was all about humans and as such didn't have a lot of time to spend on valkyries, chapter 2 is going to deal with a lot more mythological stuff while building on the protagonist's established characterization.
Well assuming I don't fuck up, anyway.
>>82855917
I'm actually conflicted who I hate more, actually.
Assholes like you, or hacks like them.
>>82855917
>Mr. "Eisner was an untalented fuck"
I don't really want to get involved in this discussion, but who's this referring to?
>>82855951
Aaron Diaz.
>>82855248
Sorry, This is second time drawing a sword.
I going keep on practicing on using a sword.
>>82855942
I'm an asshole because I think someone who cares about their payday more than their story but ALSO thinks they should go the webcomic route instead of looking for a publisher should look for a different field? What are you even on about?
Their business strategy sounds pretty terrible for them AND their reader. I don't have anything against people trying to get paid, but their approach reads as either "I'm stretching my story to maximize profits" or "I'm forsaking the story if I don't profit quickly", both of which are contemptible.
>>82856065
No need to apologize, like I said it's a minor nitpick.
I like the changes you've made to the characters, btw.
>>82856140
That doesn't even make sense. If they're going to drop it that nonchalantly their other job wouldn't be "distracting" because they weren't going to do the comic for anything but money in the first place, and if they need to get paid that badly there's no reason they can't seem a publisher. Or hell, write the story so that they neither stretch it for cash or cut it short, moving into their next project and building a fanbase, because God knows we already have too many unfinished and endless webcomics.
I don't see what's objectional about this. If getting paid is that important there's plenty of other art fields to pursue.
>>82856092
>but their approach reads as either "I'm stretching my story to maximize profits" or "I'm forsaking the story if I don't profit quickly"
Really?
That's not how it reads to me at all.
Your post reads to me as major umbrage with artists getting paid though. Like you want them to be poor or just plain broke.
>>82856240
Stop responding to Scribblehatch you stupid fuck.
>>82856240
> If getting paid is that important
Hey anon yo hey anon guess what yo
Yizzety yizzety yo dawg guess what
Anon yo
Yo dawg dude anon yo
Food isn't free.
It requires money to purchase before you eat it, because otherwise it's stealing.
Yo anon-dawg you need to food to be alive yo. You need food to go into your body so your body can extract the nutrients and stay alive dawg-yo.
And money gets you that thing dawg-dawg. Yo anon yo. I hope you understand dawg.
>>82856258
What the hell else can cutting it short by 1/6 of its length possibly mean? How am I against people getting paid just because I think either cutting it short or overextending it for money is a poor business strategy? What are you even talking about, you're not making any sense.
>>82856336
The story could be really long.
>>82856319
God you sound like such a fag that I can't read more than two lines of your typing.
>>82856319
Hey anon.
How about you read the rest of the post where I explained that if they want that, this is a poor choice?
Because I didn't say doing it for money is bad. I said their plan is bad.
>>82856386
Stop responding seriously to the 14 year old.
>>82856379
Food isn't free it requires money so doing something that requires a lot of time to do should be paid for if other people are enjoying it.
>>82856345
...Then it's the latter option, and they're completely forsaking a story based on profitability.
>>82856379
I don't have a dog in the race, but it's honestly pretty amazing how much of an asshole he's coming off as despite having a position that could actually be defended.
Top tier troll, no lie.
>>82856414
No?
>>82854075
If only I realized how right this anon was.
>>82856405
He's 28, thank you.
Also, I did this character under 20 minutes.
>Inb4 he look like josuke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwvA3gIw5Js
>>82855422
About 2 weeks each, but I am holding down full times job so mileage may vary. Its hard to measure time because I am jumping between pages and pick out stuff I wanted to work on over the course of 2 months. As stated before that the dialogue storyboard has been completed for the chapter.
>>82855456
Thanks, this is really helpful.
Also, she is named Tiamat for a reason.
>>82855412
>>82855924
Alright Alright, I'll change it.
Get em guys. Get the boogeyman!
>>82856386
Okay I'll be real with you. When you bring up a publisher: What publishers?
There aren't submission systems in america the way there should be. If it's not sheer luck, it's nepotism. Meritocracy is the farthest thing from what's happening.
I really don't expect anyone here to be able to answer that by the way.
>What publishers
I mean consider how big a deal it was when Oni opened submissions.
Something like that should not be a significant event in this country, but for some reason it is. Doesn't anyone find that odd?
No one does. But you better not open a patreon either! You greedy pig.
>>82851678
that's the opposite of true. in fact it's vastly preferred.
I'm thinking of submitting to Hiveworks. Does anyone know what they offer to creators besides from what's on their submissions page? Right now, it just looks like they can run your website and run ads, so all you have to do is update, but I find running your comic site to be the easy part.
I'm trying to find out how much creators can get paid but I guess that's NDA stuff because I can't find that out anywhere.
>>82856927
That's lucky, 'cause none of us could get in on merit.
>work so hard on this bit where he turns around to look behind him
>realize i'd given him a big ol' throne up against a wall.
something you would sensibly have if you were worried about that, but still..
anyway i think it's funnier now than the WIP. added a few literally last-minute word bubbles
>>82854392
plus now it's exploitable! i could see people altering the last word balloon into a variety of funny things
>>82855041
2 because not gay
>>82857234
We haven't seen what gets in on merit for quite some time.
It's a healthy atmosphere to see the best of the best. It helps you improve as an artist to consume it.
>>82855126
whoa, Elma.
naw jk. this looks really good man. i still find the faces all weirdly ugly but the skill here is undeniable, and the coloring and shading great
>>82857205
Why would that be?
>>82856411
that's not how the economy works. your shit will make money if it's A) worth something to people and B) rare enough compared to its demand
>>82857211
>I'm trying to find out how much creators can get paid but I guess that's NDA stuff because I can't find that out anywhere.
I find it strange how secret people try to keep this.
It's pretty pertinent information.
>>82857457
>if it's A) worth something to people
I find this dishonest.
This is webcomics. Only a very small percentile of a fanbase pays for anything relating to something they get for free anyway.
They can like it, love it, but never ever pay for it, for years. Those years are what get people. I hope you understand what I mean by that. Because explaining it is gonna be a bitch.
>>82857549
>I find this dishonest.
I don't think you know what "dishonest" means.
>>82857718
Did you understand the rest of what I said though?
>>82857404
well for one thing, less eye-burning brightness. easier to enjoy in a darker room, which is just preferred in general. but especially to save energy. that's why 4chan, tvtropes, any good website has a 'night mode' to relax your eyes.. and for the early years of computers, light on black was your only option. also whatever art you're showing, it shows up better without being drowned out by surrounding brightness. of course it varies tremendously.
now if your comic is predominantly super light in color, having white text on black can actually be kinda hard to read. and if the comic is PURE black and white, it'll be damn near impossible to tell the word balloons from the art. in this regard, cat ghost trolling has a bit of an issue. thankfully the comic isn't complicated or hard to follow in general
>>82857753
Yes. Although I'm not the anon you were talking to.
I just don't think you know what dishonest means.
>>82857805
Intellectually dishonest.
We're lying to ourselves when we think it. That's what I mean by it. I think I'm using it correctly.
>>82857549
exactly. so most of us don't make money. but we still do it because it's worth something to us. and hopefully it'll be worth something to others too. and right now we're all trying the 'salami slices' method of funding, so that if it's worth even a tiny bit to everyone, if you make it convenient for them to throw you a few pennies, they can add up.
>>82857802
I have never understood why people like "night modes". It's always strained my eyes, because, you know, it's dark.
Also
>tvtropes
>"good website"
>>82857831
I do not think you know what intellectually dishonest means, either.
It means intentionally using arguments you know aren't correct/have problems, just so you can "win". Like sophistry.
>>82857831
Perhaps you were just splitting semantic hairs. I should have said 'worth working for'.. not just worth SOMETHING. obviously it's worth something. but is it worth your hard earned money.. and also are you going to be enough of a dick to put it behind a paywall
but yes, people are used to getting a lot of shit for "Free", but they still pay for INTERNET. and the content you put out there is part of that. If you weren't putting out content they enjoyed, internet would go the way TV is going now, with people just foregoing a subscription
>>82857878
maybe you need to adjust your monitor
Okay, I've made a bunch of comics that are not particularly funny to people who don't play a specific Spanish miniatures game. I want to put them up on a site that is not tumblr, because tumblr has problems with the strip size.
What non-tumblr page templates or solutions would you suggest? Sorry if this was asked a million times (I bet it was), I don't look into these threads very often.
>>82857916
I'm talking more about people being honest about the situation they're dealing with.
People being told that if they're in it for the money they're in the wrong business. The problem with telling anyone that, is that everyone already knows it. Don't get into comics for the money: Super Duh II Turbo: Championship Edition HD.
We're talking about making a living, not fat stacks. When people ask about that, we should be talking about the likes of conventions, prints, gumroad, patreon, kickstarter, etc. Not giving them the 'Duh' lecture of not expecting huge profits.
I apologize for my pants on head retarded 90s PSA rapping posts about food not being free, but I have had this conversation in abundance, often to complete no-sells who won't get past the 'Duh' part.
Also, internet is an empire now. It just plain has the potential to outclass what TV can do. The internet can't go away at this point.
>>82858066
the most logical place to post them is on the forum for that game.
>>82858214
well the problem is your argument is 'because it costs money to live, and people should live, everyone deserves a living wage' which is a common sentiment but not a universal one, and economically speaking not a legitimate one. it's up to each living being to make itself useful enough to earn what it needs to live.
otherwise you're pretty right in general
>>82857474
It's not unusual to NDA that shit at all or leave it unknown until contracts are out. In fact that's the most common practice among American comic publishers.
>>82857802
>. and for the early years of computers, light on black was your only option.
And then everyone switched to black on-white because the studies showed it's way easier and faster to read, especially for people with astigmatism. If you're worried about eye strain, just make it an off-white.
>but especially to save energy
Unless you're using a CRT, darker colors don't take more energy to display on a screen than brighter ones.
>>82858292
I do that and people keep asking about a site with all of them. So I intend to provide one.
I still have to think of a name for it as well. Probably using a game term would be my best bet. I thought about "Irregular Order", but that might be too close to Irregular Webcomic.
>>82858388
Partially because a lot of them pay sub minimum wage.
>>82858066
I can't speak for anything but Comicfury, but I think that would work for you.
>>82858388
I do agree. I'm just surprised because Hiveworks has been around for awhile. But when I searched to find more info about creator experiences, most just say "They helped with my website!" and not much else. I was surprised too but I guess they're really told to shut their mouths or get sued.
I know for sure featured creators on Line Webtoon is a guaranteed $2k monthly, and on Tapastic it's based off how many views you get (which can be decent or salty pennies)
>>82858411
oh i see.. hmmm well a tumblr is particularly bad for reading archives due to its shitty archive system. maybe just get a free site like a drunkduck or a comicgenesis or comicfury
>>82858341
To go off on a bit of a tangent now, let's talk about our customers.
I get into a lot of heated arguments about the minimum wage. Obviously, the super rich would've been crucified if they ever tried to lower it. But it hasn't been adjusted for inflation either. It has naturally gotten lower and lower as the dollar becomes worth less and less.
These people, the young adults and adults, are our customers. The people who could pay us. They're having their balls ripped off them. If a problem affects them this way, it affects us even harder.
>>82858606
except that it has been going up, steadily, and is currently set to go even higher
buut why would you bring that up when you know it's a one-way train to shitting up the thread
>>82858422
Are you just talking about adsense?
>>82858632
What?
>>82858509
I would assume Hiveworks is a combination of merch revenue (which you only get a small % of) and ad revenue. I don't think there's any sort of guaranteed downside.
>>82858466
>>82858587
I'm currently reading up on them.
I need to know, does any of the sites you know frown upon using swearwords, violence or racial slurs and stereotypes in the comic? As evidenced here, I sometimes use that for humour. Note that the game itself is decidedly 18+, mentioning things like cyber-furries bred for prostitution and whatnot and sometimes dropping f-bombs in manuals.
>>82857211
I think you should be careful and read the fine print when it comes to Hiveworks. On one hand, they are really helpful with getting exposure and stuff but they ask for a big chunk of your profits. A little bigger than me and my colleagues were comfortable with. Also, they're a little weird with publishing rights. They consider themselves a publisher and want you to have digital rights to your stuff. There's a bit more but I will stress that you read the fine print for their guidelines and stuff before throwing yourself in...though frankly that's anything.
>>82858422
Eh, kinda true. Not universal but yeah
>>82858587
tumblr is weirdly good for comics on tablets and phones though.
>>82858066
>a specific Spanish miniatures game
That finely sculpted ass though.
>>82858951
>I think you should be careful and read the fine print when it comes to Hiveworks.
That's the problem I'm having. There's not a lot of info about them or people's experiences with them. I know they don't allow cross-posting, and some of what I've read reminds me a bit of what Tokyopop.
Honestly, I'm going with Line Webtoon and self-hosting, but I like to keep my options open.
>>82858825
even if it does, you have to be MASSIVELY popular before anyone's going to actually notice, and have any chance of reporting your comic
most of the time hosts dont give any shits about content unless it's a general 'if it's adult content, mark it as such in your settings so search engines don't find it unless they want to' thing.
I wonder how many people here are even AWARE of what Tokyopop was doing in the 00s.
>>82858825
I don't believe comicfury has rules against anything so long as it's properly tagged and kept on the site itself, rather than the part that's shown on the comicfury registry (like, if your comic avatar that shown when looking at CF's list of recently updated comics is a huge white dick calling another, darker dick a nigger, that would be against the rules because people can see it without actually visiting your comic).
They do mention not allowing pornography, but considering one of my regular readers does a comic that's about futa rape barbarians and doesn't seem to have had any problems, I think that might be referring to live action stuff.
The forums are more strictly policed though (one guy from these threads got banned from them for using the word "faggot").
>>82858632
Federal min wage hasn't gone up in ages. Most raises have been local or state.
I see no evidence that most of our readers are min wage earners though, so it seems tangential to questions of how we earn money.
>>82859174
>I see no evidence that most of our readers are min wage earners though
You should assume it by default!
>>82859174
Don't forget the huge numbers of English-speaking people on the internet that don't even live in the US. Even if every single person in the US regularly went on the internet, they'd still make up less than a third of the total number of Anglophones online.
>>82859207
Mine has a weirdly high proportion of pro artists following it. Like... Gallery artists and shit.
>>82859134
Selling Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling DVDs with godawful English announcing.
>>82858975
>That finely sculpted ass though
Infinity in a nutshell.
>>82859095
Well, the paysite I work for came pretty close to joining them but my boss nixed the deal when she saw how much of our incoming revenue they wanted. Also, she didn't like the publishing weirdness because she wanted all contributors to have as much rights to reproduce their work as possible. It actually does feel a lot like TokyoPOP's TOS. Line Webtoon looks pretty nice though.
>>82859134
I actually entered one of their Rising Stars of Manga Contests.My submission was terrible
>>82859299
Which paysite is that?
I can't remember which comic you do.
>>82859174
yeah, state. because it costs three times as much to live in some states as others. that actually makes sense.
>>82859257
wait what?
>>82859359
filthyfigments. I do the tentacle monster comic on there. I also do a comic that's not porn but it's full of ultraviolence
>>82859431
>wait what?
From the estimates I've seen, there's a little under 900 million people online who can speak English.
I misremembered it being over three times the US population, but it's still a majority of potential readers that aren't really affected by the US minimum wage.
im still drawing my characters to decide how they will looki just need to draw 4 more to complete the cast and that will allow me to start drawing the cover and the first pages
Anyways i finished these guys, they are part of another team that usually ends up in scooby doo type adventures
the first guy has a talking cat knight ghost that always follows him works kinda like a weird combination of calvin and hobbes with jojo bizzare adventure
the other one is a noire detective wannabe that has a little Symbiote buddy, the symbiote gives him very specific powers that i will not explain right now because it would take too long
there is another member in this team but im still drawing him because he is supposed to look like a big brother figure to these guys and i haven't picked a design yet
>>82859760
huh. i wonder where those people live. i know everyone TRIES to teach english and shit for international whatever, but i thought most of the big populous countries pretty much failed at it, and the successes were largely the less poulous but more advanced countries
Okay, thanks for all the input! I have decided on WordPress.
As Infinity uses an Order Pool system and I want the name to be a bit negative (since a lot of the humour is about unit weaknesses) I'm going to name it Out Of Orders.
I'll get out of your hair now.
>>82860146
hehe, good title
>>82860015
Well, for a start, there's the other places where English is the native language - Canada (35 mil), Australia (24 mil), and the UK (65 mil).
Then there's the rest of Europe (only 38% of the EU speak English well enough to hold a conversation, but that's still over 150 million people), all the places that used to be controlled by the British Empire (India, for instance, has over a hundred million English speakers) where not a lot of the people are online but those who do are likely to speak English...
All in all there's around 1.5 billion English speakers in the world. The net's a big place.
>>82860919
wow when did the UK get so populous?
willing to bet most of that UK population doesn't speak english though
>>82859299
>Rising Stars of Manga
I bought one of those books that collected the winners - I loved it so much, I always wanted to enter but didn't think I was good enough yet. But it was really cool to see all the different stories folks made...
>>82861096
95% of the UK speak English as their first language, actually.
>>82861305
Nuh uh. I knew a guy.
And he didn't.
I know we all start out bad at art/writing, and only with time and practise do we improve. But how do you motivate yourself to carry on during the period where you know you're producing stuff that's mediocre or worse? Especially since that period can last years?
Is the thought "one day I'll be good" motivation enough for you? If not, what is?
>>82861096
>wow when did the UK get so populous?
About 1700.
>>82861369
>But how do you motivate yourself to carry on during the period where you know you're producing stuff that's mediocre or worse?
If drawing and writing isn't its own reward, you're going to have a bad time.
>>82859095
Do you keep your property rights with Hiveworks? I only care about having the right to print and post to my art tumblr/instagram and keeping the rights to my uh, properties.
>>82861424
It is, but not all the time.
You can't honestly tell me you enjoy 100% of all art and writing you do.
>>82861369
The best trick, I've found, is to have fun doing it. If you learn to enjoy the process of improving and learning, you can do it forever.
Aside from that, focus on your good points. Yeah, your stuff won't be the best in every respect, but I can almost assure you that if you try, someone out there will like it and appreciate it because it's got some quality to it that they're into. Not a lot of somebodies, but you'll have enriched someone's life a little because of what you did.
The trick, of course, is to focus both on focusing on what you're good at and fixing what you're bad at at the same time.
>>82861369
>But how do you motivate yourself to carry on during the period where you know you're producing stuff that's mediocre or worse?
Fun fact: that period never ends.
You won't be good "one day", but you'll look at your own stuff 6 months from now and see which mistakes you've fixed.
>>82861599
Well, then you've got more than the thought that "one day I'll be good" to motivate you, anyway.
Otherwise, no. It's not enough, to me at least. You've heard the saying about bicycles? It applies here. You'll get good by drawing because you like drawing.
>>82861808
>You've heard the saying about bicycles?
No?
>>82861369
writing the next one helps
>>82861896
Oh. Uh, basically, three dudes ride their bicycle to a wise man's shrine, one because it's cheap, one because it's fast, and one because he wants to ride his bicycle. And the last dude is the good guy.
Ignoring new-age waffle, the point is to draw to draw, not to one day be successful.
>>82861305
What's the other 5%?
>>82861369
>how do you motivate yourself to carry on during the period where you know you're producing stuff that's mediocre or worse?
I think I got lucky because when I was producing garbage I didn't know it was garbage. Dunning-Kruger effect. I never got depressed that the stuff I was writing was bad because I often didn't know it was bad.
>>82861695
>>82861744
>>82862004
>>82862007
All good advice and I appreciate it the answers.
>>82862253
I was there in my teens, back when I was a prolific fanfic writer. Sometimes I long for that kind of blissful ignorance again
>>82856520
He looks like a fusion of Josuke and John Lennon to me! Either way, fun to doodle.
>>82861469
I'm not sure about retaining rights, teagreen said in a previous reply
>Also, they're a little weird with publishing rights. They consider themselves a publisher and want you to have digital rights to your stuff.
From HW's submission page about reposting comics:
>We don’t allow comics to be posted on multiple sites simply because that interferes with us promoting the comic and managing the ads.
I have the same concerns though. I think art is ok, just not actual comics being reposted to Tumblr, Tapastic, Line, etc. Reason probably being, they want a majority of the ad revenue and you get a cut
>>82861469
>>82862364
Yes, you retain 100% of property rights with Hiveworks. They want a monopoly on digital sales and they want your comics on one site only (I'm unsure what their position on print sales is but I think it's more flexible). The second part I never had a problem with because that's always been my attitude towards my comic anyway.
>>82862364
That makes sense to not want to split up the audience, but I hate the idea of not being able to post entire comics on my website. Not like it's any benefit to me since I don't have ads/site trackers... but I'm a very paranoid person. For example, I'm scared of the NSA.
>>82862527
Technically the comic will be on your website and they would help you set it up if you don't know how. You just wouldn't be able to post the comic on any other site.
>>82862527
The site you post comics on when you're with Hiveworks IS your site, though.
>>82862170
IIRC it's mainly Punjabi, Polish and Arabic, in that order.
Does your close family (parents, siblings) know about your comic?
What's their opinion on it?
If not, why not?
>>82862741
My Mum and Dad think my comic idea is awesome and actually asked to be my test audience/editors. It's very useful to have their opinions, since they don't read a lot of comics.
They're a bit leery of webcomics though; worried that somebody will steal my ideas and work for themselves, and they're constantly badgering me to try and get it published so I can make some dosh off it.
My bro hasn't read it yet but he's generally supportive.
>>82862619
I mean my personal website for myself that I use as a portfolio - but heck, one link click shouldn't be too big a deterrent.
>>82862741
Yes, my dad thinks it's funny because I used a joke of his, but doesn't like the swearing, I think. My mom hasn't read it but likes the pictures. A few of my friends have read it without my prompting and have approached me to tell me they liked it and that is really cool, even though my reply isn't much better than "t-thanks..."
>>82862741
My mom knows about it but she doesn't read it. I wouldn't want her to anyway since she will just label it at demonic and tell me to stop.
>>82862741
>Does your close family (parents, siblings) know about your comic?
Yup. They know about all of itincluding the porn, to some degree
>What's their opinion on it?
Not great.
>>82862741
>Does your close family (parents, siblings) know about your comic?
No.
>If not, why not?
I don't want to tell them about it unless I'm making some good money from it. I don't want to let them down. I've let them down so much already.
>>82862741
My siblings know because I have been making comics all my life. They don't have an interest.
My parents don't know because they have never supported my art, which is ok. They're just really old, use checks at the supermarket and don't use computers
>>82863036
>I don't want to let them down. I've let them down so much already.
I feel you.
I can just imagine the disappointment - or at best, indifference - from telling them I'm devoting my spare time to making a webcomic. It just sounds like such a worthless, trivial pursuit.
>>82855112
You just using markers for that shading? Looks damn sharp.
How long does it take for all of you to finish a page? Do you ever feel bad if it takes too long?
Also, what do you do when you finish a comic? Has anyone sent them into publishers? Any luck?
>>82863506
>tfw you've failed so hard at everything in life for so long that your parents are actually relieved to learn that you're making a comic
>>82863036
>>82863506
Hey, you're making something and thats enough worth. Fuck them if they think its a waste of time.
But no for real indifference is an awful response. I feel like its worse than anything else.
>>82863733
I think it's because indifference implies the thing they're indifferent to has no value. At least when people dislike things it's because they view it as significant enough to have an opinion on
>>82862741
Yes.
They're not the type to read something I've made unless I tell them to though. And I don't.
>>82863635
whoa, this yours? cute man. i like her.
>>82863036
>>82863506
>>82863639
ouch. i hadnt considered the possibility of parents like THAT.. who would actually let you think you were a disappointment. If anything mine are too supportive. I could shit in a cup and they'd think it was great. Definitely affected my development as I never felt it necessary to try hard or fulfill my potential.. and no matter what i did they'd always be niggling at me for other pointless things.
but yeah mine are aware. dad wanted me to monetize my comic 12 years ago when that wasnt even remotely a thing. mom claimed to read it, but obviously didn't because she's bothered by its content, but then forgets about that and says she likes it again. also she suggested a character that i used, and named after her.
>>82863979
Thank you! Juniper is one of my favorite characters to draw but I'm trying very hard to keep her away from the obnoxious quirky cliché.
>>82864368
so far she gave me a very slight mabel vibe but it's clear she's not a complete quirkball, so don't worry there.
>>82864368
fuck juniper
>>82861808
>You'll get good by drawing because you like drawing.
That's only half of it. You also need to enjoy getting good, which involves putting aside ego and facing your mistakes head on. Without this critical self awareness, you may like the activity but skill wise you'll still be in a rut.
There's that one dude who keeps saying he's "practicing", but for 2 years his art still looks like the same shit and his comic is still garbage. I'm sure he enjoys drawing a lot, but that alone doesn't get you anywhere.
>>82862741
>>82862917
My Mum's not keen on the swearing in mine either; I give her copies of the printed collections when they come out.
When I sell out of the current stock of issue 1, I'm considering reprinting it in a revised edition with the (infrequent, strong) language toned down.
![2012-06-29-fc_Pony_24-06-2012[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/QwQ2UjH.png "2012-06-29-fc_Pony_24-06-2012[1].png")
>>82865169
Is there any official connection between Abby and Sarah and Fili and Noli?
Also, came across this strip in the archives and somehow ithe current strip is even funnier now that she hasn't learned her lesson.
>>82865719
>2012
wow this is a long running series. link?
>>82861369
The thing is I really, really, really love what I'm doing. Since I was a kid, I've loved it so much. I know I'm mediocre, but I also know I'm far from the worse. So my extreme want to draw thats only hindered by IRL responsibilities is always catapulting me back to doing this. I still feel burned out sometimes, but when I come back I feel so pumped. Knowing my standards=/=skills makes me just draw stories for only myself though. I still try to improve, of course, but I pay 2% attention to what what my readers like lmao and make stories that pander to ME. That's additional motivator because I actually like what I do. I improve little by little on the way. Around 1 centimeter per year.
>>82865885
Favouritecrayon.co.uk, m80
>>82862343
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I glad that you like my character design.
>>82850765
Working on a new page tonight boys
![2013-04-01-EtMotL_TNoC02-220313[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/yVTq6iC.png "2013-04-01-EtMotL_TNoC02-220313[1].png")
>>82865719
Nevermind that first question.
How do you guys deal with scathing criticism? It always gets under my skin and makes me wanna quit
>>82865719
Fili and Noli are RPG characters being played by Abby and Sara. While it's mostly an MMORPG, it's also possibly a tabletop game. None of this is explicitly stated.
It's also me doing a bargain basement Osamu Tezuka and re-casting characters from one set of stories into another. The "Bags of Holding" strip was the first one where I did this, because I couldn't be bothered coming up with new character designs for what was, at the time, a one-shot gag. It was only much later I decided to expand it into it's own series.
I also have it in mind to do a further iteration of EtMotL as a longform story with a proper setting and DEEPEST LORE, instead of the unspecified generic MMO the gag strips currently takes place in. But that's entirely dependent on me coming up with a story for it to take place in.
>>82866275
Until that strip, they didn't have names, though I mentally referred to them as Abby and Sara.
>>82865885
>>82865956
The various strips and series in the archives go back much further than 2012.
>>82866338
I remind myself that it's far more valuable than idle praise, and then examine the criticism from every angle to make sure its valid. After that, it's just a matter of applying the valid points and ignoring the rest.
>>82866340
Realize that it's going to happen more often as you go on and just mentally prepare yourself
Make note of what's helpful from the criticism and apply it to your next work
so yeah, basically everything >>82866488 said, including idle praise stuff
>>82866226
some blood
>>82866334
I thought the statue in the first panel was a hooded figure (mouth is the hood opening) for quite a while. If that's intentional, it's bloody well done.
The guard's sword hand looks a bit off, like you drew the ahdn and then went "oh shit, she's supposed to have a sword". Especially in the final panel where you didn't draw the part that was covered up by the wizard in the first panel.
>>82866340
>EtMotL as a longform story with a proper setting and DEEPEST LORE
I don't know if that's a good idea. Having read the gag strip, I'd always have the thought that Fili and Noli are just player characters rattling in the back of my head, which would make it kind of hard to suspend my disbelief. Even if you just gave them some cosmetic changes, I'd have a much easier time accepting the story on its own merits.
>>82866338
I'm odd, I don't like positive comments, either. I feel weird when my work gets positively reviewed, like I don't deserve it.
I try to remember not to take criticism personally and it's probably better than a hug box. I had someone go off on me once, calling my work immature and childish and no where near Stephen King level. I'm not really sure what all that was supposed to mean, but to be honest, I ignore those comments. But if someone is just being retarded (like commenting he wished he could smell me while I slept), I delete those comments and keep going.
>>82866672
*dialog i made for this page but probably wont be able to fit it all in:
FAIRUNE
1- i want you you to have something
SOMETHING YOU GAVE ME A LONG TIME AGO
2- its why i killed you just now
3- rest in pain motherfucker!
ARMADILLO
4- its like ive been trying to tell you this whole time...
5- im not the guy who gave you this. who ever it is you think i am... im
not him! you killed the wrong guy!
holy crap im still alive?
FAIRUNE
6- what is this? liar. LIAR LIAR LIAR I KNOW ITS YOU SILVER TONGUE YOU
LYING DEAD SON OF A BITCH!
ARMADILLO
7- still alive, and no my name is armadillo, silver tongue is a little
skinny guy, also has an orc girlfriend and an odd since of fashion choices
FAIRUNE
8- you mean i killed... innocent people? your... she... they... all
innocent people i just... murdered?
ARMADILLO
9- yep. hellfire awaits you little girl
FAIRUNE
10- no... wake up. i need to wake up! WAKE ME UP!!!! ...i cant wake up!
*CRIES*
ARMADILLO
11- amellia... she did this to me, to kill you... but her spell didn't work
im not a full blown brain eating zombie like she planned, the spell only
activates if i die... she didnt have time to complete the spell the way it
needed to be done
FAIRUNE
12- im sorry... i really am...i thought you were... it doesnt matter now...
i dont deserve revenge, or anything, im going to ride off canyon cliff and
fly to my death!
ARMADILLO
13- FOOL! I AM BOUND TO YOU, AND YOU TO ME! YOU OWE ME DEATH SO I CAN BE
WITH MY LOVE! THE SPELL CAN ONLY BE BROKEN BY AN ORC WITCH, OR BY ME
KILLING YOU.
14- EVEN AFTER ALL YOU HAVE DONE... I DONT WANT TO KILL YOU IN COLD BLOOD,
IM BETTER THAN THAT, BETER THAN YOU WILL EVER BE YOU EVIL LITTLE GIRL!
15- SO WE RIDE TP AMELLIA MOTHERS HOUSE, AMAROSA WLL BREAK THE CURSE
16- ALRIGHT... WE RIDE THEN... LETS GO.
>>82866911
>commenting he wished he could smell me while I slept)
must be a girl. i don't think any guys would get comments like these on their web comics
>>82866911
>I feel weird when my work gets positively reviewed, like I don't deserve it.
I get that too - I'm like "holy shit dude, can't you see all these fuckups I made? Stop telling me it's more than decent!"
>>82867003
It might be a gayfag or he might've just thought anon was a grill.
>>82867080
>gayfag
The -fag suffix has reached its apex.
>>82867189
I think "straightfag" or "hetfag" are stronger, personally.
>>82863506
My dad used to tease me about drawing/watching cartoons until I got my first board test. Once he saw how people can make pro careers out of this stuff and that I actually had a chance he stopped giving me shit.
>>82867431
>implying you have a chance
>>82867636
We all have a chance.
Except Dewd.
>>82867800
rekt
>>82867636
I'm not implying it... I know it!
>>82867800
Literally didn't see the second part until I scrolled down.
Actually laughed. I don't even dislike Dewd.
>>82867800
>>82867856
you guys better cut it out with this positive attitude shit before you really start believing in yourselves
>when your friend asks you how come no one gives you any patreon bux for your comic
>>82868168
For FUCK'S SAKE I fixed this image and you're still posting the broken one?!
>>82868168
Because you're Dewd.
>>82868168
i know this hell. it's very embarrassing and i die a little every update. But I feel if I delete it, that's even more embarrassing so I just leave it in limbo.
>>82868168
This is exactly why I don't want to open up a Patreon until AFTER I'm popular enough, not before.
>>82868168
I've heard it helps to have a few friends seed it with like, 20 bucks a month.
Nobody likes to be the first guy.
>>82865719
real ponies arent as cute as pretty fictional ponies. theyre midgets, rather than elves, as it were.
>>82865934
i dig this. forehead-filling bangs all day
>>82866338
it only pisses me off when it's attacking an aspect i actually do pretty well, or a part i have been working on already, and now if i say 'yeah i am working on that' they react like you just spat their advice into the toilet just because you don't want a bite because your mouth was full
>>82866897
this, AND the fact that simply shallow gags (which end up being really clever and unexpectedly original) work better when you can mentally work them into ANY game you've played.
>>82867003
i'd be pleased to get comments like that...
Think I'm about happy with this outfit.
Would you remember this knife?
Also, this hair doesn't seem too blue, right? Like, it's a believable old lady hair color?
>>82867886
comedy's comedy. learning how to laugh at yourself is what separates the kanyes from the rob schneiders
>>82868988
>Would you remember this knife?
If you presented it in a more memorable fashion, yes.
Not talking about its physical appearance.
>>82868988
i think i'd remember that.. the symbols probably.
her hair's realistically colored but it's pretty damn messy and weathered for being that long. impressive.. but implies if it was well taken care of it'd be like a foot longer.. which is already long as fuck. maybe it should be slightly yellowed or even slightly unevenly colored
>>82869178
I think I can rework a few later panels to make it more prominent.
>>82869340
Hopefully it'll look a little neater once I'm completely done with it.
>>82857236
Hey, cold, do you have a sheet with all your main characters for reference?
>>82851683
Kirby, especially from the middle sixties on.
>>82870370
yes!
but it's out of date, gimme a sec
>>82852195
Yes, but the ending is flat.
>>82855112
Your fearless approach to TnA is the wind beneath my wings.
Speaking of which, I've always found the phrase "fan service" to be ass backwards.
>>82870487
>>82870370
here we go.
wow i'm really starting to notice proportion differences between this and how i draw now. it just keeps becoming less chibi
>>82870879
well within the context of OVA anime it kinda made sense. it was something you could joke about.. the bits thrown in just for flavor, making sure everyone was interested enough to buy the next one.
I need to work on drawing rocks and cracks.
