reminder that if Falcon didn't move out of the way, he would have been dead
considering how when Vision's beam scraped Rhodey's armor it melted it AND destroyed the reactor, we can assume that if it hit Sam's jetpack, it would have gone through it and then through Sam's head, and possibly Rhodey's reactor too
here's a pic showing how the beam went through his armor like a hot knife through butter
>>82775581
i don't get why when he saw the beam miss he didn't turn it off
>>82775695
my guess is that it's actually plasma and not a laser
it looks really similar to when Kylo Ren managed to stop the bolt of energy mid-air
also as I said, we saw it continue its path after hitting the target
Actually Vision was a double agent and intentionally took out Rhodey. It's subtle, but you can see it. Especially during that "but I didn't think you could be distracted" conversation.
>>82775874
Turning off a laser doesn't stop the light that was already shot either.
>>82775581
>named Vision
>misses
>>82775581
>TFW Vision shot War Machine on purpose
Why doesn't War Machine have backup power ?
It is the Mk2 Armor, more or less.
>>82775989
they just confirmed a new MCU movie to come out in 2020: Vision
>>82776033
Swapped it put for a minifridge.
>>82775581
This scene ties directly into one of his few other scenes in the movie, and it's easy to miss how that's important if you only watch it causually or without paying attention.
Vision establishes early on that he is uncomfortabe having the mind stone in/on him. He describes it as having a part of himself he can't fully control (or at least that he is worried about this.
(Side note, I suspect this will come up much more so later, maybe when Thanos tries to take it, sort of "one ring" type situation, where Thanos is sort of the true master of the gems)
Additionally, Vision is established as a character that does not like fighting, he is much more inclined towards contemplation and talking shit out, but will act when necessary. He is also very inexperienced (not in terms of skill, though that is also questionable).
I think what we are supposed to understand about Vision in this movie is that he is uncertain of his place, not just on the team, but on the planet. He tries to create a niche for himself with Wanda, but that is ended abruptly. He is also very unsure of himself, and of his ability to ma ipulate the mind gem.
So, with all of that in mind, we have the missed shot that cripples War Machine.
In the battle, Vision is notably absent often. This is probably because Spider-Man was added, but I think from a story-telling perspective, Vision (realizing he isn't sure of his ability, and perhaps questioning his decisions) has somewhat removed himself from the battle after the initial thrust. In the moment he is asked to take out Falcon, I suspect he is 1. distracted (he says so later), 2. Unsure if he has made the right choice, 3. Unsure of his ability to control the mind gem.
>>82776174
*out
There's not a lot of space in those suits, if you want to keep the shape.
>>82776190
Part 2.
Add to all of this that it is the mind gem being used here. It would make sense to me that the mind gem in particular would require concentration and focused intent to use correctly, and lacking that it would become unreliable (too powerful a beam, aim is off, etc.)
Of course it could also just be a plot convenience, but I suspect that the three key vision moments from the film (his discussion of the mind gem, his confrontation with Wanda, and his failure in stopping Falcon) are all building towards something, probaby in the first part of the Infinity War (since the Avengers will have to fail to stop Thanos, who will presumably unite the gems).
Just an idea though, maybe there was something cut that better demonstrated this (or something else).
>>82775581
Rhodey was hurt because it blew up his arc reactor, meaning he fell to the ground in free fall with none of the safety functions in his suit working.
If he had hit his target, Sam's backpack would have blown up and we would have glided safely to the ground with his wings
It would have only taken out his thrusters,allowing him to still glide with his wings but hamper him from being able to keep up
>>82776219
I don't think those wings were designed for unpowered gliding.
>>82775625
EDGY
>>82776269
>almost half an hour without taking such obvious bait
>>82776214
He was too horny for wanda. That's fucking all
>>82776190
>>82776214
you bring up some very good points
some anons are also saying it could have been Wanda's fault but the gem didn't start glowing red like in the Hawkeye fight
anyway, speaking of Thanos, I wonder if when he takes the gem Vision would die or become a robot with no sentience or maybe just lose his "soul" i.e personality and become like white vision from the comics
>>82776378
Yes, and Wanda will bring him back to life.
Seems like the obvious path story wise.
>>82775581
It was more like this, considering how high up they were, and Vision was on the ground with Wanda.
>>82775975
yes it does
>>82775581
Which leads us to assume that
A) Tony knew that Vision could have killed Sam OR
B) Tony is leading a team of super powered individuals whose limits he is dangerously unaware of, which is literally exactly the thing he's fighting AGAINST making him once again a huge hypocrite
>>82776538
>considering how high up they were
could Optical atmospheric diffraction be a factor? I don't think they were high enough for it to matter considering Falcon was able to breathe just fine
of course, vision could have just missed because of plot
>>82775874
>my guess is that it's actually plasma and not a laser
It's the mind gem. I'd be surprised if it's something as quantifiable to humans as either of those things. Don't forget, these are the remnants from the birth of the universe itself. They're more like linchpins of their reality than any technology.
>>82776701
if the beam was a laser it wouldn't have mattered bc it would have reached Falcon and WM pretty much at the same time
>>82775874
I meant that it seems like Vision's beam is behaving as a projectile, not a laser, this is why I brought up Kylo Ren
>>82776214
>, but I suspect that the three key vision moments from the film (his discussion of the mind gem, his confrontation with Wanda, and his failure in stopping Falcon) are all building towards something, probaby in the first part of the Infinity War (since the Avengers will have to fail to stop Thanos, who will presumably unite the gems).
Goddamn, anon. This isn't your average wacky fan-theory. You actually might be right on the money. My fully erect nerdboner distracted me from the dialogue during the paprika scene. I was just so thrilled to basically see Wanda & Vision awkwardly flirting in the Avengers mansion to actually notice what he was talking about.
Am I missing something, or did Rhodey do shit all in this movie but job? He didn't put any appreciable dent in anyone on Team Cap and mostly just got tossed around before being Vision'd and crippled.
>>82775581
I'm sure they weren't that lined up. When Vision got attacked on the ground he was moved to the side AND down iirc, so maybe War Machine was way off the original path.
>>82777021
he had a cool scene where he destroyed the plane boarding tunnel thingy whengiAnt-man was about to hit him with it
I honestly can't think of anything else he did other than just look cool and give rides for spidey and BP
>>82777021
Supressing fire, mostly. Plus, he technically arrested Cap.
In his defense, with the new cast, most of the old cast's job is, well, to job.
>>82775625
These are the good black guys, anon. Not the pieces of shit perpetuating ghettos and ruining everyone else's lives.
>>82776958
Yeah, my basic idea is that Vision's inability to control the mind gem (probably the last one Thanos will need) will lead to Thanos defeating the Avengers, claiming the gem, which will kill Vision. Low point of the movie, everyone else runs away, Iron Man calls Cap, end credits.
Wanda will bring Vision back without the need of the mind gem in part 2.
>>82775625
But he's a cool, not-raping-Swedish-women(not yet), jetpack-flying nigga
>>82775625
there's a difference between a black person and a nigger, anon
>>82777021
>He shut down the street fight between Cap, Bucky, and Panther. (Granted they were surrounded by cops, but it was his arrival that got them to finally stand down)
>He helped take down Giant Lang with Tony and Spidey
>He also fucking unloaded his entire payload at Scott once he got fed up, which forced Lang to use a walkway as disposable cover. It didn't ultimately do anything but still looked cool as hell seeing him fire off his entire arsenal
>He would have intercepted the Quinjet if he didn't get fragged by Vision.
All in all, a respectable outing from Rhodey, considering Iron Man 3:
>stuck in the lamest fucking armor by his superiors
>rused and then had his armor jacked
>uses his own armor as a glorified escape pod for the president
>gets cockblocked by Tony and isn't allowed to use any of the Iron Legion suits
and in Age of Ultron:
>he spends the party scene lamenting his lameness in comparison to the Avengers
>doesn't show up again until the very end with the helicarrier, and gets completely upstaged and outclassed by Vision
So yeah, in Civil War, the movie with the most characters, he got the shit end of the stick. But it was still better than his other appearances, and he had more screentime and ultimately more relevance than some of the others (mainly Hawkeye and Ant-Man).
>>82777169
>the plane boarding tunnel thingy
>>82777456
>walkway
they're called Jet Bridges, anons
>>82777372
Yea one pretends he's civil until he can't take it anymore and chimps out and the other doesn't need to play pretend
>>82777545
thank you for clarifying, airport employee
>>82775581
Would it also have crashed that plane?
THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME
>>82777632
>Vision secretly harbors deep racism towards black people
That explains why he didn't care at all about Wanda's casualties in Africa, or the fact that he never interacted with Black Panther. Not once. Hmm...you may be on to something
>>82777587
with no survivors
>>82775625
/thread
>>82777757
that's a big picture
>>82776190
>>82776214
Sure, sure
But where's the symbolism? At what point can we compare his actions to Jesus?
>>82777857
UUUU
>>82777921
you have your own team movie you should be working on right now, go to bed Zack
>>82777921
How about that time Wanda buried him? Can we assume he rose three minutes later?
>>82777921
mr. Snyder, I believe it is time for bed
>>82777727
>Vision hating black people
>not Wanda "nigger killer" Maximoff
m8, Vision's aim wasn't wrong. Wanda fucked it
>>82777981
>>82778041
Woah woah, I'm not Zack Snyder. Why would you assume that? I'm not Zack Snyder. I'm absolutely not. I'm just a comic fan just as much as you guys. I just really want to discover the symbolism, you know? Deeper meaning and all that.
I'm not Zack Snyder.
>>82778018
Yes, that works. I will take that. Thank you fellow comic fan. Does anyone know if there was a prison rape scene with Scott Lang that was deleted?
>>82778102
finally someone with some artistic vision!
I just couldn't sit through this movie, all these people wearing costumes in broad daylight and actually talking to each other. And no one was having sex. What the hell? How many women were in this movie? Aren't these people adults? I mean, seriously. The movie's called Civil WAR and the bodycount was just so low. I couldn't believe it. Also not Zack Snyder btw
>>82775581
Tony said he wanted Vis to turn his suit into a glider.
He was aiming for the jet pack element.
Falcon would have fallen a lot slower and safer than War Machine.
>>82778456
yeah, it's called CIVIL war, of course there would be no bodycount
>>82778547
Would he have fallen faster than it would've taken for the laser to reach his head?
>>82778547
check OP's pic, it would be pretty hard to hit his jetpack without also hitting his head
>>82778621
>OP's pic
>>82776703
>somehow this is also Tony's fault
Fucking Capfags I swear
It's hard to decide who is more racist.
"Mind gem nuke on every spook" Vision or Kaz "fulton a coon and I'll pop the balloon" Miller
>>82777584
Holy shit
>>82778456
Zack Zack! While you're here I wanna ask you a question?
Can we keep Superman dead at least for the duration of Justice League Part One?
>>82775581
Is there a character who doesn't kill people in the MCU though?
>>82777727
>he never interacted with Black Panther
literally saved BP's from being crushed by a bus
>>82779099
Betty Ross
>>82779099
Kat Dennings's characteralthough I'd love to be suffocated by her dennings
>>82775625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4
>>82779138
>>82779471
Thanks for the info. I'm not really big on the Marvel movies, but from what I've seen, most of the heroes kill people. Are there any heroes who don't?
>>82783218
Daredevil and Spidey.
>>82775581
He actually was aiming at the jet pack part so he couldn't fly but could still glide. Tony explicitly asks him to do that
>>82776033
Did you miss Iron Man 1? A mini arc reactor is the only thing that can power the suits and they have to be in that spot.
There is no place for a back up.
>>82776190
Yeah. Vision's probably afraid to get too involved. Note that of the 3 times he actually did anything in that fight, 2 of them nearly killed someone accidentally, (when he knocked over the radar tower and almost crushed Steve and Bucky, and then when he tried to disable Falcon and hit Rhodes instead)
>>82776252
Even if he wasn't we see in WS that if the EXO Falcon's flight is disabled it can purge the wings and deploy a chute to get the pilot safely to the ground.
Where as the Iron Man and War Machine armors don't really have any safety features of the reactor is destroyed in flight since they're really hard to destroy.
>>82784683
why does veronica have like 7 reactors? they're not all in the chest piece
>>82777021
He also took down Wanda with the sonic blaster and helped punch out Giant Man.
If you count Giant Man as a team effort he's actually tied with Panther as taking out 1 of Cap's side each. Rhodes took out Wanda, Panther took out Hawkeye, and Tony Panther and Spider took out Giantman together. I guess you could count Tony taking out Falcon but Falcon pretty much gave himself up at that point.
>>82777727
If that were true he would have fired a splitting beam and hit both of them.
>>82778830
Definitely Wanda "mow down Nigandans with my Honda" Maximoff.
>>82785200
why don't the armors come with a manual released parachute? seems like sensible thing to have ever since the first iron man movie.
>>82786368
Why didn't Tony bring a few dozen suits, even without pilots?
>>82786491
He just had the one with him.
>>82775581
Fuck, you are right. Falcon could of have seriously been hurt.
>>82776190
>Vision establishes early on that he is uncomfortabe having the mind stone in/on him. He describes it as having a part of himself he can't fully control (or at least that he is worried about this.
At the very least, even though no one else on his side actually blamed him for the accident, Vision DOES. Rightly or wrongly, Vision believe he was responsible.
>>82777021
>Am I missing something, or did Rhodey do shit all in this movie but job?
He didn't have anything on him that he could use at the airport, other than a stun baton and the sonic cannon. Neither are his primary arsenal. He was just too lethal with his gear.
>>82776417
> Wanda fights Thanos and pushes her powers to new heights, using dangerous levels of Chaos Magic.
> Wanda brings him back to life using mind powers fuelled by Chaos Magic.
> Wanda slumps into a coma following such intense use of CM, Strange has to extract the excess power before it kills her.
> Vision has a new body (white) and mind but no memory of who he was.
> Strange also has to remove her connection to the mind gem to contain the chaos energy.
>>82777757
I've often wondered how these pictures are made. Is there a program for it, or do you manually place every picture
>>82778043
"Wanda...we both hate the niggers...but people have got suspicious...I mean look at Lagos...it's good what you did, but it looks kinda...bad. We need to pick off the nigs one by one, carefully...slowly. I'll take one of them out, I know you like that."
>>82779113
Wanda literally saved BP from killing Bucky.
>>82776108
This is fucking clever.
>>82775581
vision was aiming for falcon's engine to imobilize him
war machine told him to turn falcon into a glider.
are you morons literally deaf?
>>82786840
>Wanda and Vision join the KKK as part of their foreplay
I honestly haven't thought about this until now, since they clearly said that the intention was to make Falcon just a glider, but even if Vision had hit Sam, his backpack wouldn't have stopped the beam and it would've hit Rhodey anyway. It would've hit the both of them.
I guess Vision really just was distracted, or Rhodey just wasn't aware of Vision's position and thought he was flying behind him
>>82776701
This is fucking GREAT!
>>82786491
he was "an active non-combatant"
he was trying to cut down the use of suits/drones for Pepper
>>82775581
All those hard angles.
Are you Caliborn
how about you design a suit of power armor where the somewhat fragile power source isn't open on display
Why didn't Iron Man just blast Falcon with that nonlethal blast he hit him with when they were on the ground?
Why didn't War Machine just fall back and take out Falcon and let Tony go after Captain America and Bucky?
![Captain-America-Civil-War-2-Trailer-Ant-Man-Arrow[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UGYrskF.jpg "Captain-America-Civil-War-2-Trailer-Ant-Man-Arrow[1].jpg")
>ant man's pained come on man in the prison
can we at least all agree ant man was perfect in this film?
Why didn't Vision just destroy the plane Cap and Bucky were obviously running towards?
>>82777545
But he was killed in iron man 1...
Why didn't Tony or Rhodes just shoot out one of the engines?
They both know cap is an experienced pilot.
>>82788878
>I'm the boss I'm the boss I'm the boss
I'll give it to Rudd, he's a fucking master of tone and inflection
>>82788787
>>82788845
>>82788866
>>82788888
those are all pretty good questions
>>82788929
>>82788943
pic related
>Rhody ends up partially handicapped after the fight
H-He'll be fine right /co/? Will tony get his partner back?
I watched a review on youtube for this movie. While the review itself was pretty nitpicky, it did have one good point.
It's really convenient that T'Challa's dad's dead body is laying flat on his back with his head propped up on a rock.
>>82789268
>mfw he gets a wheelchair that transforms into his new War Machine suit
>>82789268
he will get mangeled in every movie from now on and tony wil replace more and more of his body with cybernetics until he has his own darth vader.
>>82789477
it's not like there was anything useful attached to his legs like iron man and even then it was just flares
they should just give him some big ass tank treads
>>82776190
>>82776214
>All these words, but still all wrong
It was because Rhodey wobwobwob'd Wanda, and he was getting revenge, because he loves Wanda.
>>82776190
>Vision (realizing he isn't sure of his ability, and perhaps questioning his decisions) has somewhat removed himself from the battle after the initial thrust
This reminded of The Sentry in the Civil War comics. He was very uncertain of if he should fight his friends because he knows that if he wanted to he could basically rip of their arms, kill them or end it immediately.
>>82789517
>his own darth vader.
haha i get it, cuz he is black haha
>>82789517
Well, there is one possible outcome.
>>82790909
>War Machine gains the ability to merge his body with weaponry
>we get the War Tank
I don't know if that would be fucking awesome or laughably ridiculous.
>>82790352
Well no, it's because when people think about cyborg henchmen, vader comes to mind.
>>82792603
more likely the latter
I think this seems too out there, even though the MCU has been far from grounded for several years now
