what went wrong?
Nothing.
>inb4 it somehow missed the point of the comic
Nothing. It's a very good movie adaptation but people will bitch about it anyways because they have absolutely no idea how the film industry works.
The fact that this even got made, and it still retained an incredible amount of fidelity to the source material, is amazing.
>>82769820
Bad acting and director.
>>82769868
explain how it wasnt
>>82769820
>what went wrong?
Timing.
The movie itself is fine, but it would have been better received after audiences had experienced hero fatigue like comic fans had when Watchmen originally came out.
>>82769868
It does miss the point of the comic.
Moore tried to show that superheroes are just freaks. They all had mental problems and the only one that didn't wasn't even human anymore. In the movies they tried to paint Owlman and Silk Spectre as like the everyman and the moral center. That whole scene in the jail makes them look almost superhuman but they aren't supposed to be even peak human.
>>82769956
Ironically it'd be a great comment on Man of Steel if it came out after
>>82769960
I got exactly the same impression from every single character from reading the comic and watching the movie.
You're just parroting shit people say on /co/.
>>82769820
No squid.
It was made too early. Its funny how we're going to have a big debate over whether the squid monster would've worked or not, when we now have a movie where a bunch of costumed characters fight aliens and robots. It tried to apply the comic's commentary to then-modern superhero movies, but comic movies of the time barely scratched the surface of what watchmen built off of. It'd make so much more sense to do Watchmen now.
>>82770034
Snyder pls go.
>>82770118
>>82769956
It can be judge just fine on its own merits. Its just a mediocre movie.
>>82769960
>Superheroes are just freaks
And they are in the film, No?
>Jail scene
I don't think that scene make them anything like peak human though just a 'try hard' cool scene. Also, Owl and Silk do have a mental issue especially the latter.
>>82769960
Because they are the most human of them all. That's the whole point of Owlman. And we clearly saw that the defeated a gang just by hand-to-hand combat.
You may be right in the fact that we didn't saw the "problems" that the couple had. More than being freak, those are normal people.
1. Zack Snyder
2. Malin Åkerman
3. Alan Moore cast a spell on the movie
>>82770382
>Zack Snyder
>bad
Disney social engineer pls.
>>82770237
Owlman was a man child and only did it for living a fantasy. He was like one of those Cape fags like Phoenix Jones.
Silk spectre didn't ever want to be a superhero. She was just living her mother's fantasy, and was devoid of any choice.
The comics theme was that putting on capes is not normal.
Nothing. It was exactly what it needed to be. Unfortunately, what it needed to be made for a really depressing movie.
>>82769960
I read that scene as actually showing their mental illness, when juxtaposed with the sex scene. Between those two scenes, it was very apparent that these were people with issues.
>>82770420
You what?
>>82769820
It was the best film adaptation that Watchmen could ever possibly get. What went wrong is Snyder's career afterward.
>>82769820
you were born
>>82769820
>>82770757
what a hack
>>82770711
>It was the best film adaptation that Watchmen could ever possibly get
Watchmen shouldn't have been adapted in the first place.
>>82769820
What went wrong was two simple things.
The first was that regular people had superhuman abilities.
Like Niteowl and Silk Spectre. The fucking punched peoples legs into bits. What the fuck, Snyder?
The whole point of Watchmen is that everyone is just a man in a mask (for you) until Dr. Manhattan.
It should have been a lot more grounded.
The second was Ozy. In the comics he was peak human. Smartest, strongest, fastest. He was the best humanity could offer. And he was nothing compared to Dr. Manhattan.
But movie Ozy was a little bitch. You couldn't believe that he wasn't the best.
That said, it was very good overall. The Dr. Manhattan scenes, especially the non-linear scene on Mars was 10/10.
Raw Shark was perfectly cast too.
>>82770771
would've been better as a mini series
>>82770771
It should be.
In like 5 years.
When we're all saturated with capeshit.
Then we need a deconstruction.
Just like how Scary Movie was what we needed after so many years of serious horror movies.
Deconstructions are very useful after saturation.
>>82770869
No, it would have been better as a comic book and only a comic book.
If someone hasn't read the graphic novel, the movie is actually fine. I loved the soundtrack and the aesthetic looks perfect. Watchmen is not a movie that can be faithfully adapted into a 2.5 hour movie as seen in the ultimate cut, by including Under the Hood documentary and Tales of the Black Freighter it's like 3.5 hours long. First Night Owls book chapters and Black Freighter meta comic works in the graphic novel, not in a feature length movie.
- The main actress is not a great actor. And the movie restricted itself from casting a good actress because of the sex scenes
- Zack Snyder and or the writer made it more violent and explicit than the graphic novel
>dogs chewing on bones wasn't just a bone but was clearly the legs of a child
>Rorschach doesn't burn the guy alive in his house, but hacks him with a knife
>Alley fight was more brutal for the sake of it with more than 6 thugs
- Ozy was not miscast, but he should've been portrayed like an innocent concerned guy in the first act scenes. But from the get-go he is charismatic and calculating
- Rorschach's batman voice makes a lot of his dialogue intangible
- The source material is too intelligent for the average Joe. I don't think most normies would get the Pagliacci joke, and Watchmen is intended to be a deconstruction of superheroes
- I'm fine there wasn't the monster squid, but at least have Ozy looking regret at the end when he asks the war has ended. And Dr M says, it never ends
- Watchmen would have done better if released today after Deadpool
>>82770237
did you forget that Owlman does have erectile dysfunction as well in the movie?
>>82770907
>Ozy was not miscast
Absolutely he was.
Ozy's whole point was that he was everything that was man.
He was supposed to be Arnold and Einstein in one man.
The absolute top.
Having him skinny defeated the purpose.
>>82770771
kek. It always funny to see naive people like you. It's almost like Hollywood wants to make money by adapting thousands of shit instead of creating something original themselves.
>>82770887
It only works as a comic book though. The Night Owl I\II excerpts, Black Freighter etc. can only be done in a comic, and all the good paneling/layouts are gone completely.
>>82771027
That's exactly what I'm saying though. In an ideal world, Watchmen wouldn't be adapted and Hollywood would make original films. But it is not to be, sadly.
>>82770771
why do people keep saying this? There are more ways to adapt something than being a slave to the source material. Even as a 1:1 adaptation, watchmen fails miserably.
Honestly would've preferred something akin to Naked Lunch in terms of adaptation, that's the only way to really properly adapt watchmen. Or focus on a smaller plot point of the series like the minute men. Adapting the whole story is both boring and pointless, not to mention futile in film format.
>>82770009
No it wouldn't at all, TDK on the other hand
>MCU-dominated time
Would have actually felt more appropriate if it was released now instead of back then when the superhero hype wasn't that big.
>>82769820
It's the best and most faithful comic adaptation and fixed something you know audiences would've hated. And it worked.
>>82770757
To be fair, I actually thought Snyder did an OK job on Watchmen, visually and aesthetically nigger was on point, and since he basically just straight adapted from the book all his greatest weaknesses as a director are glossed over.
However, like most people have said, he never 'got' the point, and its less of a deconstruction of the genre and more of a normal action movie. And to be honest I can see a lot of that being the studios fault as well. Gotta play it safe.
It wasn't a faithful adaptation, but still I don't see anything wrong with the film on its own. It was a good cape film with anti heroes, sex, violence and a good heroes coming back from retirement story. It was aesthetically great, with a great soundtrack. How is it different from the usual shit that Disney, Wb and Fox feeds us?
>>82771729
it did come out after TDK
stop calling "owl man" at Nite Owl
>>82773886
hes owlman tho
nothing, i love this movie
>>82770237
Owlman is a freak and a manchild, he's actually the creepiest of them all.
>>82770382
>Zack Snyder
Watchmen is not bad though. Surprisingly, he did a good job for this one.
They waited too long to release the Ultra Edition that added even more feature including the Animated movie parts
in my top ten comic books movies. heck, top five
Snyder completely butches Rorschach's character. Even most right wingers are supposed to think he's pathetic but people come out of the movie thinking he's a super badass
>>82774134
>Rorschach
Only a retard and manchild think he's badass.
>>82774385
He's a badass
>>82769820
Nothing particularly, it was a decent adaptation even though there were some problems (Silk Spectre 1's actress was awful, the need to pump up the violence, letting Dan see Rorschach die).
The main issue was that it was just OK and the expectation seemed to be that because the source material was so highly praised that any film made that hewed close to that source material would be equally praised when there's no reason to believe that. What works in one medium doesn't necessarily work in another.
>>82770625
Kek what the fuck is happening in that webm
>>82774011
no he isnt
>>82775055
Asians doing Asian things.
They're literally like animals over there.
No sense of consequences
Itr tried to make them cool while the whole point of the comic was that they weren't
Nothing. It's the best adaptation we could have got.
Have you READ the old scripts?
They have Dan killing Adrian to avenge Rorschach.
>>82769898
This. Watchmen was a great adaptation, and when I hear people bitch about it, I know that they've never seen a movie-musical. I mean, look at Little Shop of Horrors. Look at Into the Woods. Even the best attempt at adapting a stage musical will change too much shit. These capefags are complaining that the movie is different in a way that's only noticeable if you've read the comic more than three times.
>>82775721
You know, it's funny. For me it all blurs together. I find the movie and the comic compliment each other.
This is a dumb question, but are the watchmen part of marvel or DC?
>>82771164
Sauce on that image?
>>82775482
I haven't read the old scripts. Where are they? Maybe someone could storytime them.
>>82769820
They tried to make a movie about a comic that was about comics themselves, therefore it's just a pointless film.
A lot of people think that Watchmen was just about the plot, which was nothing but a mcguffin to allow Moore to speak about what he thinks about superhero comics, and comics as a medium in general. It's the same kind of people that think it was "adult" just because it had sex and violence.
>>82775784
DC, literally.
But you can see it as both.
It's a deconstruction of all Capeshit.
It's about "What if a literal god becomes part of a human universe?"
Moore chose first Captain Atom and then Superman (both DC characters), but then made his own character (Dr. Manhattan).
There's a lot of direct DC equivalents like Rorschach being the Question or Niteowl being Blue Beetle, but overall, I think it covers both of the Big Two.
Moore is grand like that
>>82775784
They're not "part of" the main setting, but they belong to DC. It was originally going to use existing DC characters, but they were eventually changed to "original character do not steal" versions.
>>82775721
>the movie is different in a way that's only noticeable if you've read the comic more than three times
What about the squid?
>>82769960
Also that super hero comics are a distraction from the real problems of the world.
>>82775948
That difference is trivial unless you're a huge fucking autist. I mean, I'm an autist myself, but the point is that Ozymandias is forcing an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of thing. Regardless of who the "enemy of my enemy" is in the literal script, the conclusion is the same. I probably wouldn't have even noticed anything changes if not for his weird lynx thing, which reminded me that that story element that Dr. Manhattan occupies was originally some weird mutant thing.
>>82776025
What about the point the squid was making though?
And Dr. Manhattan doing it makes no sense either.
One of my only problems with it is Ozymandias. I remember this being brought up back when the movie first came out. It was way too obvious that he was the villain right from the beginning. The unneeded German accent didn't help either.
this picture makes me so hard
the look in their eyes, you just KNOW they banged
Adrian Veidt is known to be THE most hung guy in New York, possibly one of the biggest in the world. his cock has been described as "like an nuclear warhead", with gargantual thickness that would rival even Alexander the Great. im estimating his size to be at least 8.5" bone pressed, with OVER 7" of girth. he would have absolutely destroyed Edward Blake's anus.
they would have spent hours and hours on foreplay, getting lubed enough just so he can take it. i can just imagine him begging for it, with Adrian barely able to force it past the sphincter, and Blake moaning and squirming, demanding him to force it in deeper. he would have orgasm'd within seconds of taking the entire length, being filled and stretched right up to his rectum. the orgasm would have been powerful, with his anal muscles clamping down on Veidt's throbbing monstrosity, his whole body quivering in euphoria..
i bet he still masturbates to the memory of it
>>82775847
Here's Sam Hamm's script:
http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/wtchmn.txt
>>82776156
>>82775847
I've seen two versions of the david hayter script:
One has Nite Owl kill Ozymandias with an owlarang to the chest.
The other, I shit you not, he kills Ozy by dropping his owlship on top of him.
>>82776054
The squid is not gonna work at the time but it work now, the movie just come too soon.
>>82769820
Would have made a great HBO miniseries. Being cramed into a movie hurt it.
>>82775814
samurai flamenco
godlike show, go watch it immediately
>>82769820
Nothing. It was actually somewhat better than Moore's version
Come on, Space Squid? Seriously?
>>82776609
Not sure what the problem is really. It fits with the genetic engineering Ozymandias had been practicing for years, what he already showed he could do with Bubastis.
Did you only watch the movie and look up what happens in the comic book and say "man, that's just silly!" when viewing it out of context?
>moorefags still refuse to admit he dropped the ball, and rushed the ending
>>82769960
Moore is a freak. And anything that grinds his gears is A-OK in my book
I loved LXG too
>>82769820
Being one of the most, if not the most, polarizing cape movies of all time.
>>82769820
Snyder, like all the movies he touches.
>this was Jackie Earle Haley
holy shit
>>82770900
>>82770907
>>dogs chewing on bones wasn't just a bone but was clearly the legs of a child
Either way a child was still dead
>>Rorschach doesn't burn the guy alive in his house, but hacks him with a knife
Same results, more or less.
>>82770230
>And they are in the film, No?
No they're super badasses that can punch through walls.
>>82779224
>Same results, more or less.
No one is gratuitous violence and other is symbolic of Rorschach leaving his old morals behind.
>>82775251
The women are hot though
>>82776156
>an nuclear warhead
Sometimes I feel like he wrote the comic just for the "I activated it 45 minutes ago" scene
>>82779400
Either way the man is still dead
>>82779400
both were gratuitous violence
>>82769820
Zack Snyder
>>82770420
>Zack Snyder
>Not bad
Fuck off DCfag
>>82780566
Snyder is terrible when telling his own original stories. Also he doesn't get or like the concept of Superman or superheroes in general, really. But when slavishly adapting existing works, he's actually pretty good.
>>82779989
One adds pathos, you know, what you ass cunts keeps pretending is in his Superman movies.
>>82780741
He's never done so. He adds his dumb bullshit in all his work.
>>82776054
>What about the point the squid was making though?
What point? The point that humanity will unite in the face of an external threat? As I just said, we ended up getting that, but with Dr. Manhattan instead of a squid. Literally the only flaw with the ending is that Dr. Manhattan was American. Logically, it should've been considered an act of aggression on the part of America.
>>82776376
..Are you retarded? What the fuck does it being [THE CURRENT YEAR] have to do with the squid's role in the story?
>>82776473
There were actually reports about that happening last year.
>>82776609
>Come on, Space Squid? Seriously?
Come on, a man who can see his own future, but still acts surprised when it happens? SERIOUSLY? I fucking hate it when people act like certain fantastical elements are somehow more fantastical than other fantastical elements.
>>82775771
>I find the movie and the comic compliment each other.
I've been saying this for years. Both are good in their own way. Is the comic better, yeah but that can be said of 99.9% of adaptions.
I thought the casting and performances in this movie were pretty spot on except for Ozy. He just looked too sinister. Looking back i think Brandon Routh would have been a better fit for hat character
>>82769820
>tfw unironically love this film
>>82776777
this
Idiot thought he was making a joke character out of Rorschach but it turns out being a degenerate isn't as cool as he thought and people respected Rorschach instead.
>>82769820
It was too edgy and dark. It should have been colorful like a 80's film also it shouldn't have glamorized superheroes.
>>82770426
>>82770959
>>82774059
okay fuck you all for not correcting me. it's Nite Owl you fucking shitstains
>>82770900
fuck off
>>82774385
>Only a retard and manchild think he's badass.
i.e Zack Snyder
>>82785582
But joke characters almost always grow beyond the creator's expectations.
Readers can see something about them that resonates more than expected.
Other writers can pick them up and make something amazing with them.
They can be passed around and used in story after story that organically develops them into something more fleshed out than was intended by any one contributer.
Half of the Spiderman and Batman rogues galleries are characters that began as jokes only to now have rabid fan followings.
It's one of the best qualities of cape comics that this can and does happen.
This movie deserves an 8/10 for its aesthetics alone
>>82779400
Fuck off, there was tons of blood in the comic
