Can someone tell me why Badroc the leaper comes off really well in Gwenpool a book that's arguably a comedy yet all of his other appearances since 2000 mock him? I understand Silver Age Villains are silly but all comics are silly. I really like seeing Badroc be an intimidating professional with a joke or two about him instead of him being the joke.
Anyone else feel this way? Any other silver age characters who get the shift?stilt man
>>82744789
Batroc le Leapair is just a normal human that is trained and doesn't use super-tech. Power-creep means he is useless in theory.
>>82744789
He was really good in captain América sam Wilson comic before secret wars, where he was making fun of americans.
>>82744789
>>82744858
Yep, it's probably because Gwenpool has no powers anyway, so he can be a threat to him, as you say.
>>82744789
Hastings has a fondness for Batroc, while everyone else only sees him as a jumping guy who gets in peoples' way.
>>82744789
>I really like seeing Badroc be an intimidating professional with a joke or two about him instead of him being the joke.
>Anyone else feel this way?
Agreed. Also I generally find the writers who feel the need to "mock" older villains like Badroc tend to be the hack-fraud writers.
>>82744789
What's the context?
>>82744789
Who's the Inhuman who has martial arts powers? I keep confusing them with Batroc for some reason.
>>82745294
She is a helpless little girl that Batroc is going to blackmail into becoming his sex doll. Or student.
>>82745352
Karnak?
>>82744789
But he wasn't a joke in Waid Cap
Or Brubaker Cap or BuckyCap
Or Remender SamCap as another anon mentioned
Next time, try reading comics
>>82745120
That's because Hastings has good taste.
>>82744789
Badroc landed a kick in Batman's jaw, he is no joke.
>>82744789
Batroc is generally cool because he is a mercenary that is not beyond "accidentally" fucking his employer's plans if they are too evil. He has style and grace.
And he is not overused so you don't see him involved in any of those messy end of the world melees so you can just assume he is doing his own thing.
If Batroc is going to mentor Gwen Poole I may have to start buying it.
>>82744789
>Can someone tell me why Badroc the leaper comes off really well in Gwenpool a book that's arguably a comedy yet all of his other appearances since 2000 mock him?
standard answer: the author is an inexplicably huge batroc fag
>>82745717
>the author is an inexplicably huge batroc fag
> inexplicably
It isn't inexplicable.
>>82745700
Is there a reason she couldn't actually shoot him?
>>82745805
She doesn't have the killer instinct.
>>82745438
Watch the abysmal Ultimate Spider-Man show or read non cap comics featureing the character to know what I mean. Have fun with your Homework anon
>>82745775
nobody explicably gives a fuck about batroc
>>82745438
>Next time, try reading comics
trying reading non-Cap comics?
In Cap books, hes a legitimate enemy.
In all other comics hes a fucking joke that jumps and has a terrible accent.
>>82745535
Batman said that Batroc was one of his hardest opponents ever.
>>82745981
>n all other comics hes a fucking joke that jumps and has a terrible accent.
I've only seen this in Deadpool comics.
He was a legit threat in Heroes For Hire, in the early Iron Fist books, in Captain America/Iron-Man, in JLAvengers.
It's only really in Deadpool where he isn't taken seriously. He just shows up there more often than he does in other books.
>>82745805
Her abilities are plot related. It's how she could aim a rocket launcher with her foot.
>>82744789
Would have prefered this scene with the real DeadPool but I guess this is ok too.
>>82745805
Amateur shooter
>>82746044
But deadpool can actually shoot or fight and has superpowers.
>>82745981
>>82745865
I really dont think a terrible show and some appereances in comedy books should define Badroc as a character
>>82746099
I meant with discovering Gwen is a fraud.
>>82745981
He was trying to be an elitest comic book fan but tried too hard
>>82746114
>Badroc
Batroc.
It's spelled with a 't'.
>>82746144
Writer said he doesn't want her meeting Deadpool until Gwenpool's her own thing.
>>82746180
So never ever because she will be a corspe
>>82745805
If she had put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger it would have jammed, plot armor is a real thing.
>>82745294
A comic book fan from our universe (like the one we live in) ends up in the 616 and decides the only way to stay alive is to be a super hero. She becomes M.O.D.O.K.s assassin against her will and ends up working with Batroc but Batroc realizes that she's not skilled or talented and just lucked her way into the assassin role. Read Gwenpool it's great anon
I kind of like when he's a little of both.
Deadpool comics find an easy target for jokes in the form of Batroc, Stiltman, Taskmaster, and Paste Pot Pete. That doesn't mean other comics don't take them seriously.
>>82747158
You can always spot a Deadpool fan (as opposed to a comic book fan) by how they perceive most C-Listers like Batroc, Boomerang, et all.
>>82748467
>Boomerang
Superior Foes Boomerang is not Boomerang.
>>82748609
Superior Foes Boomerang comes directly from Thunderbolts Boomerang. That's a good five years of consistent, solid characterization, more than he's ever had in the past.
>>82744789
Batroc had a nice one shot a couple years back when Bucky was Cap I think.
>>82745226
Remember that time Batroc was shown to be one of the guys mocking Arcade at his own damn birthday party? If Batroc is considered a joke, imagine how that makes Arcade look.
>>82747082
Oh man. They are dead?
>>82749783
Schrodinger's B-Lister. They are neither alive nor dead until they are mentioned again on panel.
>>82745865
>Watching USM for more than the three episodes rule
You only have yourself to blame. Consume shit, get shit writing that shits on potentially good characters. It's not that difficult to grasp.
>>82749014
Yep, I remember the one, it was pretty good.
FunFact: people think the Belgium martial artist Batroc is a comic parody of Jean-Claude Van Damne, but in one of the most epic life imitates art examples it's actually Batroc who came first.
>>82745700
What if Batroc becomessort of a father figure for Gwen too?
Hastings could totally pull it off.
Can someone remind me what the cut-off date for "silver age" is?
Because I can't think of a better example of a joke character owning the page with class like Deadpool has. But he's what? '90s joke? 'Late '80s?
>>82744789
The thing about Batroc is that he is an extremely good mercenary who jobs like proper team player when he fights super-types.
>>82747082
That's what made brave and the bold aquaman so good.
And more importantly it managed to bridge the gap between the public perception of the character and what he is really like.
If his movie is good aquaman may well shake off the superfriends image more in a single decade then all the time before it
>>82750266
>Belgium martial artist
Batroc is French, from Marseilles.
>>82745805
She's a big believer in the power of plot armour. She probably didn't even expect to touch him.
>>82750373
Deadpool is dark age iirc
The silver age was from mid 50s to mid 70s. A reference point for it's end is when Gwen Stacy died.
>>82750487
Really? Come on. They even covered this in the second Cap movie.
>>82750335
who is this qt?
>>82750657
Damn, this is hard. All I can think of is Rhino and I'm kinda unsure when he showed up.
There's Blade, but he was a serious try from the start.
Morbius, the living Vampire wasn't a joke so much as a f**k-you to the Comic's Code.
Does Dazzler count if she was unintentionally silly?
>>82750977
In the Cap movie he's Algerian, not Belgian.
Felt like a pointless change imo, particularly since GSP is Quebecois.
>>82745052
>>82750373
Ambush bug
Booster Gold
>>82751145
>>82751200
>>82745865
You know he was even taken seriously in the Winter soldier movie.
>>82747082
>>82751215
Batroc is great when there's a bit of a joke to him, because Batroc is kind of a silly concept. He's got an absurdly thick French accent and a ridiculous mustache and outfit, his powers are basically a weird national stereotype, and his stated motivation for doing crime is basically "What fun!"
But the fact is, Batroc is a guy who's taken "pretty good at kickboxing" and used it to become one of the few people on the planet who can give Captain America a pretty good fight, and there's something really admirable about that. Batroc is one of those villains who it's hard not to root for, especially when he's a genuinely likable character when he isn't surprise-jumpkicking people. He's jovial, charismatic, a graceful loser, and always seems to be having a great time. Whenever him and Cap fight, it's always a treat, because there's this sense that neither combatant would really mind losing that much (if the world wasn't usually at stake when they fight, anyway).
>>82751212
I hate that stupid sleeveless hoodiemonk costume.
He's still wearing the mini Wolverine mask so why not just commit to the classic look?
>>82751383
I'm enjoying the Gurihiru design a lot more.
>>82751409
It kinda reminds me of the outfits they wear in Cyborg 009.
>>82751460
It's the scarf and double breasted jacket.
Personally I could do without the scarf, at least worn in that fashion. Seems to impractical for a guy like Batroc, who tends to prefer a stream lined look.
>>82751200
>>82751145
Hah! I love this guy.
>>82751145
>>82751200
Bravo, monsieur
>>82751383
I kind of like it, but I have no problem with his classic look either.
>>82744789
*Because* it's a comedy book and in comedies silly looking characters are allowed to act seriously once in a while.
You see, it's sort of like Zack Snyder said "characters talking in silly costumes for more than 5 lines is sort of, like.... yeah". By that I mean if your shit is going to take itself seriously, a Frenchman from Algeria in a garrish purple and orange getup sporting a dastardly mustache is going to look out of place and silly.
But if the context embraces the silliness, then he won't look out of place and you won't need to remark how silly he looks.
>>82751215
His costume looked nothing like the comics version, he didn't have a mustache and he had a horrible French-Canadian accent.
>>82751293
His stereotype is also severly outdated. He's a "Pied Noir" French from Algeria, and those people haven't existed in about 30 years.
Fun fact: if he's historically accurate, he's probably jewish.
>>82752230
He's not from Algeria at all in the comics.
>>82750373
for Marvel it's The Death of Gwen Stacy, for DC I think their's continues till Barry Allen kills Reverse Flash
>>82745805
She is a horrible shot. It's not plot armor like everyone else says, it's actually the reverse, in that she can only hit unnamed henchmen.
>>82752129
Anon, in Gwenpool Batroc is played completely straight, with total sincerity. He's the best martial artist on the team and could probably easily beat everyone else there, and acts as such.
Given that non-Cap books treat him as a joke (unlike Paste Pot Pete or Stiltman who are treated as jokes even in their own books), it's kind of weird.
>>82751035
Luluco, she's from space patrol
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I want them to bring back GSP as Batroc for a fight in the Iron Fist series.
>>82751142
>In the Cap movie he's Algerian
>French from Marseilles
So it's not actually a change then :^)
>>82753338
Has Batroc ever been in Thunderbolts?
>>82752648
Oh yeah... why the fuck did they change that for the movies when it doesn't particularly make sense and when they took a French-Canadian with a heavy accent to play him?
>>82753338
>bring back GSP as Batroc for a fight in the Iron Fist series
Please yes.
>>82753380
His name is Georges Batroc, that really doesn't sound arabic.
I believe in the movies he's a Frenchman from Algeria, not an Algerian proper.
>>82753173
Many people forget Batroc is actually the leader of his own band of criminals.
And he manages to keep them in line and have them respect him.
>>82750485
His Jason Momoa redesign is really good, I hope they start using it in the comics too
>>82753501
How, by being able to eat more snails and fancy cheeses than anyone in the Frog underworld?
>>82753512
You have something against good cheese?
>>82753479
>>82753380
yeah, that's what "pied noir" are, French people whose familly lived in the colony for a generation or two. It doesn't make him arabic, nor muslim, even though he could be to a degree, and still identify as French.
>>82753173
>Batroc
>straight
dropped.
>>82753479
fun fact: he's named after batrachia, the sub-classification of amphibians that includes frogs. Because he's French.
>>82753173
>Given that non-Cap books treat him as a joke
Black Panther didn't treat him as a joke.
>>82753451
Algerian=mooslem=terrist makes more sense for a movie villain
>>82753526
he's MMMMURRRICAN, he has never eat cheese in his life, only bright yellow plastic
>>82751293
There's a great page where Batroc describes how he's not the guy who beats Captain America, but I can't remember the source or how it goes exactly.
He was the disadvantage of his abilities being "really really good at martial arts" without the distinction of being superhumanly good at martial arts like Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, etc. It means he gets kept grounded and some writers will write him off as a consequence. Also the mostly static action scenes in American comics aren't kind to his whole deal.
>>82745805
He's been around since the silver age. His plot armour is far greater than hers.
>>82753755
He's not the guy who defeats Captain America.
He's the guy who can fight Captain America and keep him busy while the job is being done.
He's competent and reliable, and doesn't go out of his way for REVEEEEENGE or that kind of bullshit.
He's a PROFESSIONAL.
>>82753306
Thanks.
I thought she might be a background character from klk.
>>82753833
Is Crossbones like that, too, or is he also a crybaby suicide bomber like in the movie?
>>82753871
Crossbones and Batroc (and Constrictor, before he went the way of Mar-Vell) are all of a type, yeah. Mercenaries who put the job and survival before grand passions and evil for evil's sake.
>>82753871
>>82753888
Crossbones is a sadistic, rapist neo-nazi. He's not really a merc, he mostly works directly for Red Skull.
>>82753702At least OUR Eagles of Death Metal concerts don't get canceled halfway through.
>>82753944
Whoops! I meant Taskmaster, my bad. Taskmaster, Crossbones and Constrictor.
>>82750266
Nobody thinks that
>>82753536
Mes côtes!
>>82753948
I feel bad for whoever came up with the idea of naming that sort of blues band "Eagles of Death Metal". Pretty sure that's all it took.
>>82753944
>nazi
>working with neonazis
Why would this ever happen?
>>82754481
He said "for", not "with" Anon.
>>82745700
Gwen getting kicked is so cute
>>82751145
>More likely you have diabetes, American burger-eater.
>Yes, I do believe it's "President of the United States".
>>82753338
I'd totally be on board with that. But in what context? Like he was just some merc. Why would he cross paths with Iron Fist?
>>82744789
I DON'T LIKE HER SUFFERING
>>82747082
I love that 3rd panel.
>>82744789
The Captain America and Batroc the Leaper one-shot is one of my favorite single issues of all time
>>82745226
I remember in Wolverines issue he got sent to a prison that had this force field that prevented anyone from using their powers and people like Batroc were basically the kings of the Prison because they could beat the shit of outeveryone in the prison
>>82756493
In an early Iron Fist story Harold Meachum hires Batroc as protection because he knows Iron Fist is coming to kill him.
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>>82757574
Found a picture
>>82753833
>>82753755
That's from that Cap and Batroc the Leaper One Shot, go read it if you like Batroc
>>82753888
Crossbones ABSOLUTELY holds a grudge and will go out of his way to target people he's pissed at, I don't know what you're talking about
>>82753871
>crybaby suicide bomber
I've only seen him in Thunderbolts, but that seemed accurate enough.
>>82744789
I can totally see this as a reworked World War 1 flight suit.
>>82744789
>I understand Silver Age Villains are silly
That's exactly it. Hyperaware creators who think pointing out everything goofy about comics counts as great humor and smart commentary are a problem.
>>82757181
It's a joke you couldn't get away with nowadays, really sad.
>>82745717
The author is the same guy who does the Dr. McNinja webcomic. He's been running that thing for years, and its main villains include.
1. Ronald McDonald
2. The Burger King (but actually he's the ruler of the radical lands in another dimension)
3. Dracula
4. Steven Seagal
5. Retarded pirates
6. A lobster man
7. A giant lumber jack
8. A pony that transforms into a motorcycle
Basically, this is an author who takes incredibly silly concepts and then makes them threatening to his main character in spite of the doofiness. It's kind of his bread and butter.
>>82759033
>Steven Seagal
Well I'm sorry to hear that...
>>82757607
Neat
>>82759085
It's basically Steven Seagal. That vein of thing. The main character is a ninja and one of his nemeses is a cheesy ninja movie actor. His actual name is Franz Raynor.
With the help of a tiny scientist, he once genetically engineered a super ninja, but they could only make one because it was too expensive and it would be unreasonable to pay for more.
>>82758672
Normies like that humor, and appealing to normies means money. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
>>82754405
Axl Rose apparently called them the "Pigeons of Shit Metal" once.
>>82759033
I'd switch out 'giant lumberjack' with 'futuristic dinosaur army', but yeah, Hastings gives no fucks about how ridiculous his work sounds when you try to explain it.
>>82762142
Futuristic dinosaur army isn't that absurd in comics. Then again, neither are Dracula or lobster men.
>>82762142
There was also the Aztec tennis robot. That was a thing.
>>82745371
>Sexdoll or Student
The jump you made between the two is impressive
>>82745805
Th Leaper is a main stay, Gwen still needs to understand her place in the comic world, who she can kill with-out effort, (extras and one-offs), and who she can't.
>>82747082
It's kinda weird how there were TWO "foreign ethnic stereotype kicking guy" villains at Marvel.
>>82751145
Batroc has got to be one of the classiest old-school villains out there.
>>82751293
The best part is when the world is ACTUALLY at stake Batroc will switch sides. I think he only sticks to fighting Cap because he likes fighting Cap and respects him and even considers him something of a friendly rival.
In Iron Fist's debut series when he looses to Danny he's all "GG man, I'll head out now", and the guy spams a dozen more hired martial artists. Batroc considers this hugely unsporting and unfair, so he sides WITH Danny because of what a shit the guy who hired him was.
>>82752230
>His stereotype is also severly outdated. He's a "Pied Noir" French from Algeria, and those people haven't existed in about 30 years.
He's just from France in the comics.
Marseilles specifically I think.
>>82753104
Being able to hit people who lack plot armour still means that her abilities are based on plot armour.
>>82751212
Love this costume
