what are the biggest flaws of the show?
>>82744162
The bomb format.
>>82744162
Villains. They either get redeemed or disposed of after two episodes. I just want to see the Gems fight someone
>>82744162
gay
>>82744162
the character designs
>>82744195
This.
>>82744162
probably the fact that it is so blatantly pro-woman. It is feminist, but it goes a little bit too far in aggrandizing womanhood. I think the fact that every powerful character is female, and the men play distant supporting roles, is a little weird.
maybe that's the point? maybe the creators want to do this "now you know how it feels" thing? or maybe its just Rebecca Sugar's power fantasy. I mean, the characters are written well, and the themes and plot are very egalitarian, but surely all the super progressive androgynous female characters put off a lot of people.
>>82744162
art design. whats with the lazy art of the newish shows, regular show, adventure time, this, uncle grandpa. what is the appeal?
>>82744377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7ktkOEeFw
this is a proper childrens progam
>>82744359
>Steven and Greg don't exist
>>82744162
Steven's PENIS keeps getting in the way!
action can be a bit underwhelming at times.
>>82744162
stevidot isnt canon
the art style is over used in newer cartoons.
The SJW and tumblr shit.
For how long its hiatuses are, it wastes too much time on filler.
>>82744476
(You)
>>82744359
The amount of emotional moment end up feeling overused and their impacts cheapened
>>82744162
Horrible plot.
It's existence.
>>82744613
This
And to add I think the 11 minute length doesn't allow enough tension to justify most emotional moments either.
>>82744645
why tho
>>82744162
There are no actual fucking antagonist.
>>82744711
yellow frieza
>>82744711
This
>>82744739
Thats not an antagonist because they barely interact with her.
>>82744772
Lots of antagonists are barely interacted with.
>>82744772
>There's no such thing as a looming threat
I guess Bill wasn't an antagonist either.
>>82744162
Steven is too sexy for television!
>>82744814
Bill showed up multiple times and they physically interact with him, including the main characters having a small showdown face to face in the first season
Literally nobody in the main cast has even talked to Yellow Diamond
And Steven Universe is already on it's 3rd season
>>82744162
>No primary antagonist
>11 min episodes where they rap up a conflict way too quickly.
>CN's incompetence when it comes to releasing episodes (something which can be said for every other cartoon though).
>>82744915
>Literally nobody in the main cast has even talked to Yellow Diamond
Peridot, technically.
>>82744814
We had fucking Gideon before Bill anyway, there is no goddamn antagonist in this show at all.
Another complaint I have is the scifi shit if you wanted HURR ALIEN CONQUEORS AND SHIT you should have made it a scifi looking show. Theres no actual fucking magic in this show no other dimensions, no realms, no mythical creatures, nope just boring ass alien shit its boring alien shit because Sucrose cant write scifi at all.
>>82744915
Bill only showed up twice before the finale and lost miserably.
I will never understand /co/'s insistence that he was a good villain before the finale when in fact, he's been lame from the get-go.
>>82745045
>dimensions
>realms
>mythical creatures
I don't...think those are specifically scifi things, anon? I guess dimensions can be, but that's a rather broad topic that could also be in fantasy. Are you sure you're not thinking of fantasy?
>>82745135
Bill is the card carrying villain hes supposed to be mysterious and shit.
>>82744359
>he fell for the "all forms of feminism are bad" meme
Kek its like I'm actually on /v/.
What's wrong with girls getting a chance? I think the mostly female cast is cool.
And who cares about what Sugar's "Point"? She made a decent show that happens to pander towards girls. Girls literally do not have enough stuff pandering towards them that doesnt tell them they belong in the kitchen or that they're just baby making machines.
>you're just an SJW!
Believing females are equal to men isnt the same as being an SJW cuck. I still love the ultra-sexualized Lady Death and Red Sonja.
>>82745154
Yes anon this show should be a fanstasy series not scifi because the setting is too boring for a scifi. Actually the SU setting is really fucking boring in general, no magic no cool adventures just fighting monsters that happen to be gems and fightinn villains that happen to be gems. Boring.
>>82744162
>what are the biggest flaws of the show?
The ammount of faggots it brought that make shitpost threads about it.
>>82745177
Meh, I knew that'd we'd never actually get to know shit about Bill and I didn't get interested in Gravity Falls for the mystery since Adventure Time destroyed any trust I had for a kids show.
Bill wasn't terrible but he wasn't as funny or not even nearly as threatening as people made him out to be, until the very end at least.
>>82745045
Yellow Diamond is an antagonist whether you like it or not, there's no arguing for this.
>>82744613
Ditto. A lot of emotional moments are very quick and trivialized. Fine if you're a sucker for drama, but otherwise it starts to feel kind of arbitrary.
>>82744162
Too many hiatus. Also >>82744195
>>82745271
>not threatening
The fucker was gonna /b/ the universe.
>>82745273
A shitty villain honestly.
>>82745348
That's why I said "until the very end at least".
Before that he was basically acted out like other threat the twins have seen.
Sure he was continuously foreshadowed and built up but I never really bought it until the actual finale.
>>82744162
Rebecca acting like Lapis Lazuli can do no wrong.
>>82744162
The fact that big bads are built up for entire seasons and then are dealt with in less than 10 minutes.
The Cluster was built up ever since they captured Peridot last year and all that built up tension came down to Steven dream asspull.
Why couldn't it span several episodes like Jailbreak or the Peridot chase arc but shorter?
>>82745548
>People STILL think the cluster won't come back later
>>82745348
>A villian is only good if they're there 100% of the time
Yeah, ok.
>>82745589
The Cluster is a shit antagonist anyway.
Also The Cluster thats a really lame ass name.
>>82744162
Their habit of releasing a bunch of episodes in a short period of time rather than spacing it out.
Solving problems way too quickly to the point where there's very little payoff, like with Malachite.
A lot of the musical numbers are pretty lackluster IMO.
>>82745589
>Inb4 they teleport the cluster bubble on homeworld to Hiroshima Yellow Diamond's stronghold and also in the mean time release all the newly made cluster fusions all over homeworld.
>>82745623
There nothing likable about YD anon she hasnt dont fucking shit yet and wont do shit till probably the end of this season. Cartoons need recurring villains to have any coherency thats why i laugh at the retards that bitched about Ben Tennyson having a rogue's gallery. Adventure Time suffers from this shit as well, the Ice King is more an amoral nutjob than a villain,, Marceline well yh.Bandit Princess seems good enough, Lich is out fucking up multiverse, and so on.
>>82745639
>Also The Cluster thats a really lame ass name.
Now how's about you fuck off?
>>82745734
>Cartoons need recurring villains to have any coherency
No, they don't.
>>82744359
Steven and Greg are the only truly good people in the show, though.
>>82745789
In MLATR case the cluster isnt a literal clusterfuck of things so it doesnt sound lame like Speed of Sound Sonic.
>bomb format
>11 minute episodes.
>Solving problems way to fast
>No real badies.
>Everything is magically solved by talking no matter who or what it is.
>Steven is always right no matter what and never learns anything.
>Steven is pretty much a man child and hasn't really shown any maturaity.
>>82745824
It needs regular conflict though. It used to be about the gems fighting monsters that destroy the town in hopes that one day they could fix the monsters.
Now it's chubby doughnut shop girl doesn't want to go on stage because her vag stops her from having a spine and telling us about her FEELINGS.
>>82744162
A show that people gloat over its serial format storytelling and character drama has neither an interesting story or compelling characters.
>>82745980
This.
The bomb format prevents a good buildup of emotional depth and release. Personally I think that the cluster should have been a two part episode at least (22 min). Although Steven shows fear and anxiety, it doesn't feel like there is a major sense of urgency or consequence to Steven's or the Gems actions overall. At best a plot event comes up in one episode but is then resolved in the next episode and either forgotten/vaguely remembered by them. Thirdly is that it doesn't even follow it's own canon.
A good example was the watermelon island episode vs the cluster episode.
Malachite was an unstable fusion and had to be KO'd by the gems. I approve of this since I enjoy seeing actual action in an adventure show. However the cluster, a being of multiple unstable shards forcibly fused together instantly caters to Steven's magical friendship and bubble themselves. Honestly I expected them to be just as unstable as Malachite and require a beat down to supress it. I felt that they could have landed on it and it formed mutants from itself along with limbs jutting from it. They beat the mutants and tire it out. Then I could see Steven using his love magic as it goes back to sleep and bubbles itself from a well fought fight. I know Steven really doesn't fight and he uses the power of gooshie-goo tolerance to win but that becomes boring when that's the only thing he does in an event like that and it's always successful. Plus it doesn't actually feel like good writing for an adventure, there will always be someone you can't reason with or win over. Either Sugar is signing Steven up for a big fall (doubt it) or she can't picture Steven not using heart powers to win (big problem in Shonen anime which I feel she's emulating badly).
>>82745648
While I love this show a lot, I do agree that the issues are resolved far too quickly. I think it's partially because of the short episode format. (And due to some writing too)
But I wonder if SU would be able to handle a half hour format?
>>82747629
>she can't picture Steven not using heart powers to win (big problem in Shonen anime which I feel she's emulating badly).
Almost agree with everything you said up to this point because I literally can't think of any examples where a shonen protagonist did the same thing Steven did for the antagonist of the story arc. Even in the really popular ones like DBZ and One Piece, Goku kinda did this though with Frieza but he in the end was forced to finish him off and Luffy beats the shit out of every villain he goes up against. It's a pretty inaccurate streotype when you think about it.
>>82748026
I think it could and should move to a half-hour format. The most recent two episodes were basically just two halves of a single episode anyway, and the episodes with the home-world gems showing up were the same way if i remember correctly.
But when a conflict is established via exposition, causes some sort of problem, and is resolved in 10 minutes it ends up feeling rushed. The episode usually ends seconds after the issue is resolved simply because they don't have time to include the falling action since they're already so pressed to include the other stuff. Even doing the same but in twice the time would make it so much better.
Take something like JoJo for example, most of the battles are one episode, with only the really important ones getting multiple episodes, but in that time they set up the villain, battle it out, and come to a satisfying resolution. Now imagine if they had half the time to do so. There'd be less time for the viewer to get invested in the conflict and actually come to see it as a major problem, there would be less time for JoJo's signature outsmarting of the enemies and various tricks, and there'd be less time for the falling action afterwards. Basically there'd be less time to fit in what makes JoJo, JoJo. And SU suffers from the same problem, every episode feels like it's got somewhere else to be and has no time to waste getting there.
The cancerous fanbase on Tumblr.
>>82746438
A show that people feel compelled to shitpost about and form opinions over despite never giving a shit about it in the first place.
>>82744162
Its existence. Go back to tumblr with this tedious garbage. SU is the only thing to ever exist that is worse than homestuck, and I'm including the holocaust, 9/11, and the death of David Bowie in this statement. Every time one of you morons posts a new thread on this topic, the entire universe is lessened in quality by yet another tiny but perceptible degree, and Stan Lee gets one minute closer to death. Just stop. It's obvious now that these topics are only started by either the retards who work for the show or trolls who want to stir the ready pot of hatred and distaste that comes along with it. Go to bed. No one likes you. Your mother cheats on your father because of this shit. Your dog got hit by a car because of Steven Universe, and if you've never lost a pet tragically, you will, and it's all the fault of your own bullshit and shitposting. Go to bed. Get trapped in your own skull, with dreams of the emptiness that awaits the world to come for you. Just go.
We'll be here when you wake.
For a show about saving the Earth and seeing it's beauty, I sure don't give a fuck about the Earth.
>>82744772
So I guess sauron wasent an antagonist in the lord of the rings
>>82748450
It's the cancerous fanbase that ascribes those things to it you idiot there not auctualy there
>>82748450
I swear to god if I have to post this fucking image one more time, I'm going to burn my goddamn house down
>>82744213
So much this.
People here can't stand their waifu to be evil and want all of them to be redeemed but they don't get that because a character is bad it doesn't mean that you shouldn't like her
>>82744359
MFW read your argument
Why are you guys complaining so much about lack of antagonist? We had the treats of Malachite and the Cluster for a while and now that we are done with those 2 we are clearly gonna get new ones like Jasper and probably soldiers from Yellow Diamond
The fact that it made me feel something.
>>82744162
the fans, only pony fans are worse I think. I am a sort of popular artist online, not even really a big fan artist, I just do it sometimes so I dont have those sort of people following me. I did a few pieces of art inspired by this show one night and had droves of SJW show up outside if my fanbase from god knows where to chew me out about the skintones, weights, calling Ruby "he" by mistake (I thought it was a boy) etc it blew my mind how angry and agressive they were. I used to enjoy the show, but seeing how insane the fans are put me off of it completely aside from popping in threads here sometimes or checking an episode if people are excited here about it. The concept is fun, but the crazy amount of subtext fans see is tumblr levels of bizzare.
>>82744162
>11 minute runtime
>Terrible bomb schedule format
>the writers being too untalented and simply uninterested in following through with the ideas they come up with
>confusing character exploration for character development
>Wasting the little time it has
>Weird attachment to boring characters and little attachment to the interesting ones.
>Characters having hyperactive emotions that make them seem crazy
>>82749422
>Wasting the little time it has
Fucking this. If you're going to make each episode so short then why waste episodes on stupid bullshit nobody cares about when you could instead use that time to flesh out the actual story, conflict, or important characters. All the episodes that focus on anybody who's not one of the crystal gems or connie (since she's the only relevant side character) were a waste of time that could have been used to make the actual conflicts in the show seem less rushed.
>>82748026
>>82748323
>>82749801
That sounds like he came up with that on the spot and out of his ass. Also if they are storyboard driven and still come out a rushed mess that says more about them as writers/storyboards than the lack of time.
>>82746143
>Now it's chubby doughnut shop girl doesn't want to go on stage because her vag stops her from having a spine and telling us about her FEELINGS.
You're an awful person. I know it sucks that these day when people are upset about how they look they redirect those feelings into telling everyone that they're perfect and that you should also say they're perfect, but you don't have be a dickhead because of it.
>>82744213
Jasper and Yellow Diamond are still unredeemed. Lapis remains where she was before, friends with Steven and enemies of the Crystal Gems. The only redeemed one is Peridot.
Don't confuse fanfics and fan speculation for what actually happened.
>>82749801
So, what, they start drawing the storyboard before they actually know what the script is going to be? And did it never occur to them that if they can't make something coherent that doesn't feel rushed then maybe they should try a different method? Additionally, clearly they can't finish the work in a reasonable time anyway because there's weeks, sometimes months, between a few episodes airing. They're artists, not writers, they shouldn't be the ones in charge of the story.
If this is how things actually are on the SU team then it explains a lot about why so many of the episodes feel rushed. Writing a script based on a storyboard that has been drawn sounds like a high school creative writing assignment, not how a professional studio should conduct themselves, especially considering how character and drama driven SU is clearly trying to be. Wouldn't you want good writers for something that hinges so much on dialogue and character interaction?
okay so actual criticism here.
1) some episodes were a little rushed
2) extreme focus on pearl (the pearl arc) was getting a little tiring
3) dialogue is sparse at times and sometimes doesnt feel real/doesnt give you any reason to feel emotionally invested
the main focus on steven, the crystal gems, and the town/homeworld has been particularly good though some episodes have been kinda awkward in terms of talking about whats right and wrong. (remember when lars almost died cause he choked on a magical flaming donut? yeah)
overall the schedule and hiatus has been frustrating along with unplanned leaks & sometimes the fans have done stupid things but the show's main flaw is it feeling kinda rushed and not being entirely clear on whats:
a) the conflict b) the solution
just my two cents overall
>>82751391
God, I'd love to pick sadie up and just ass fuck her while she tries to serve donuts.
>>82744162
The fans
They cry too much
>>82751447
>>82751487
Yeah, I wanna glaze your cinnamon roll. I wanna finger you until my hands look like chocolate covered bear claws.
>>82744162
>characters
>plot
>writing
>humor
>animation
>voice acting
Pearl is pretty much irredeemable
Crying way too much
Lazy anime/meme references(Evangelion/Sanic)
Villains like Jasper getting dumped off unceremoniously, while other villains are redeemed. I won't be surprised if the diamonds are also redeemed.
Connie is dull.
Steven is pathetic, but the gems are somehow even more pathetic than he is, making this feminist show convey a muddied message when the boy is the only one with his shit together.
I feel like in the context of a kids show the only problem is the schedule.
All other complaints seem to stem from adults thinking this show is targeted at them and is trying to influence them.
>>82744162
It's SO badly paced, in every way possible.
I have no idea why they went with an 11 minute format, considering the direction they wanted to go with it. The focus on emotional development slows everything right down, and you simply can't dedicate four minutes to a musical number and expect to then solve an episodic conflict in a satisfying way in the time you have left. As it is now, an average episode will absolutely crawl toward a conflict, and then suddenly everything will be solved in under a minute.
Story arcs are also badly paced. Conflicts which are built up over half a season or more are solved in a single episode, and unsatisfyingly at that.
And the bomb format only exacerbates these problems, although that's network meddling.
I'm honestly disappointed in Sugar. I've seen evidence that she is capable of writing well-paced stories, so I don't know what went so wrong here.
>>82749801
Adventure Time and Regular Show work pretty well as storyboard-driven shows because they aren't ongoing stories and aren't character and drama focused like SU wants to be. It sounds like SU should have been script-driven instead.
>>82744162
Peridot
The fanbase
Relying too much on anime references
Plot is predictable and there is no tension since everything is solved by talking and every build up just feels like wasting time
>>82744162
The people who keep trying to shove it down my throat.
>>82744162
All of it.
>>82751672
>Steven is pathetic, but the gems are somehow even more pathetic than he is, making this feminist show convey a muddied message when the boy is the only one with his shit together.
are you some kind of fucking retard?
How do you go from
>Steven is pathetic
to
>the only one with his shit together
in the same fucking sentence?
Put down the crack pipe you fucking freak.
>>82744162
It's schedule and it's fanbase
>>82744402
>>82744402
Good old times when fighting for humanity was allowed
>>82750256
No but, The cluster was hyped to shit and had so many possibilites
it was disposed of in mere minutes
>>82752187
The cluster was disposed of in a long series of episodes building up to a plan and now lays dormant in the earth as motivation for Yellow Diamond to come to Earth to fuck shit up.
Malachite was the disappointing part of these 2 things, the cluster episode was perfectly fine.
>>82745548
>The Cluster was built up ever since they captured Peridot last year and all that built up tension came down to Steven dream asspull.
You should be reminded that it was not build up as a final. We are still in what was meant to be the middle of season 2. The last episode is still part of the build up.
>>82745980
>>Steven is pretty much a man child and hasn't really shown any maturaity.
The guy has matured a lot in season 1.
And he is still going through Self-discovery in season 2.
>>82752214
>>82752307
>i-it's perfect! I g-got to hear s-steven saying "I love you" t-to Peridot I don't care about anything else!
>>82748323
>The most recent two episodes were basically just two halves of a single episode anyway
I wouldn't say that. They are clearly two separated story with one big red lines. If it was a 20 minutes episodes, it should have bukd up with Alexandrite fighting malachite at the same time Steven and Peridot reached for the cluster. And Malachite would have only been defeated a little bit before Steven solved the Cluster problem.
>>82749938
>That sounds like he came up with that on the spot and out of his ass
No, it doesn't. At all. It sounds like a professional giving his opinion out of his experience with animation.
>Also if they are storyboard driven and still come out a rushed mess that says more about them as writers/storyboards than the lack of time.
Except SU doesn't feel rushed.
>>82750261
>So, what, they start drawing the storyboard before they actually know what the script is going to be?
No, they use story board as a way to write their story. there is nothing wrong with that.
>>82750261
>Writing a script based on a storyboard that has been drawn sounds like a high school creative writing assignment, not how a professional studio should conduct themselves, especially considering how character and drama driven SU is clearly trying to be. Wouldn't you want good writers for something that hinges so much on dialogue and character interaction?
The thing is, the story is actually being written good using this method. It's a different approach, and I like when the industry try out new methods, especially hen the result is as good as SU.
>>82751391
>(remember when lars almost died cause he choked on a magical flaming donut? yeah)
I don't think his life was in actual danger.
>>82752172
>when fighting for humanity was allowed
Isn't that what Steven Universe is doing literally?
>>82752343
It was a cute moment, but the overal of it was great. I don't really see the problem.
I would see it as a problem if it was meant to be a season Final. But it was not. People tend to think it was meant to be a big conclusion, and indeed that whole be a bit weak as a final, but as a mid-season episode, it's actually a good episode that is being part of the build up.
It will be interesting to see what role the Cluster play in the actual final.
>>82752428
"Fighting", anon, not "crying"
>>82752461
I really liked how Garnet cried all over Jasper.
Too many ugly characters.
>>82752683
I just watched this episode, the singing part made the whole thing cringeworthy to no end.
Also it had a tragic scene at the end with Lapiz sacrificing herself and seconds after it ended with everyone including Steven totally unfazed about what just happened.
>>82753426
>ended with everyone including Steven totally unfazed about what just happened.
Did you actually watch this ep? All of them were 100% fazed by the conclusion. Except maybe Amethyst but even then she act within character.
>>82744162
>Ridiculous hiatuses
>Fighting animation could be better
>11min format isn't good for major plot episodes
>Overuses crying and emotional moments
>>82744613
I DIDNT ASK TO BE MADE
>>82752326
This. The C Gems didn't progress.
>>82749050
how salty do you have to be to screen cap and irrelevant post and act like its the gospel truth?
>>82744162
It being on cartoon network.
Show itself wise, less crying, it takes away from where it stands as an emotional zenith.
Also personally, axe Conny, Peridot end game.
>>82749801
And notice how GF is better than all three of those? Is this faggot serious?
>>82744837
>blushing while an alien race is piercing your mind
They really do love Eva.
>>82755817
I think Amethyst Is the only gem that actually made a progress
>>82744195
absolutely right
>>82749050
>I swear to god if I have to post this fucking image one more time, I'm going to burn my goddamn house down
What are you a fucking child or something? No one's forcing you to post this cap all around. You're like a petty SU knight, repeatedly spamming a screen cap of some spreg who can't accept his fan base is cancerous instead of ignoring those that set his autism off. Grow the fuck up...
And by the way he is an "SUfag."
>>82745187
This.
>>82755854
>axe connie
yeah, let's take away the one thing that connects steven to humanity, that's a good idea
>>82744162
Pearl has no cleavage.
>>82748374
>caring about a fanbase
There's your problem.
>>82756237
But every fanbase is cancerous.
>>82748450
This sounds like it would make a good pasta,assuming it isn't one already
>>82757388
We already have Sadie and Greg
>>82745589
Building something up, blueballing us then saying, "It'll come back later!" is still a shitty way to tell a story. The crew CONSISTENTLY "puts things off for later" only to have 10 minute resolutions to the big build-up. They're fucking amazing at hype but holy shit can they not deliver on it, not even a little bit.
When the Cluster does come back, I don't think it'll be any less disappointing than what we got right now. I half imagine Yellow Diamond to be dealt with in 10 minutes.
This show already suffers from fucking hiatuses, we don't need more arcs consistently shoved off "for later". We did that already with Malachite, Peridot's first appearance, Peri's chase, the Bismuth, Lion's backstory, we have to do it AGAIN now for the Cluster? Fuck off with that. The only good arc they've had was Peridot's redemption because every single episode happened one right after the other. We didn't have to suffer through a bunch of Onion, Cool Kids, or Sadie/Lars bullshit to get to it.
The worst character being the main character.
>>82759148
>Building something up, blueballing us then saying, "It'll come back later!" is still a shitty way to tell a story
You are being mistaken on a one point: This episode is NOT a season final. It would be weak as a final, but as a mid-season episode it's quite good.
> The crew CONSISTENTLY "puts things off for later" only to have 10 minute resolutions to the big build-up. They're fucking amazing at hype but holy shit can they not deliver on it, not even a little bit. When the Cluster does come back, I don't think it'll be any less disappointing than what we got right now.
The final of season 1 was not disappointing and it was the culmination of everything we had seen so far. We will see what the intended final of season 2 will bring up, but I don't think the Cluster arc is over either. Next episode will certainly be about what to do with the bubble Cluster.
>This show already suffers from fucking hiatuses, we don't need more arcs consistently shoved off "for later".
Blame the network for the scheduling, not the show itself.
It's boring
>DO YOU HAVE ANY LAST WORDS?!
>I... I love you peridot
AMYDOT FANS ON SUICIDEWATCH
>>82750261
no they do work from outlines
> Additionally, clearly they can't finish the work in a reasonable time anyway because there's weeks, sometimes months, between a few episodes airing. They're artists, not writers, they shouldn't be the ones in charge of the story.
that's the network fucking around (like around the time coach steven leaked in july of '14 they could've aired up to Lion 3, and the latest few episodes were already finished back in january, if not slightly sooner), not the crew not meeting deadlines
>>82760180
Peridot said Wow thanks almost in a "what the fuck are you on" tone.
>>82744162
BAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT
>>82760011
>but as a mid-season episode it's quite good.
It's not even that. According to the actual listing which the crew has known about for way longer than the general public has, this was a season premiere. And for a season premiere, to wrap shit up and then hold it off for later even though we were literally waiting all of season 2 to see what would happen and probably won't see the resolution to this for another 24 episodes is shit. We already spent so long building it up, this is going to be a shittier wait than what we had to go through with for Malachite.
>The final of season 1 was not disappointing and it was the culmination of everything we had seen so far.
Jailbreak was great because it was the first thing to do "setup and hype", but now they've done it almost as much as they've had characters cry. They need to start delivering on this hype soon if they want people to actually care rather than going, "Has it happened yet?".
>Blame the network for the scheduling, not the show itself.
The crew knows they're working with bomb formats and they're the ones choosing to write episodes like Onion Friend and Sadie's Song. I can blame them. They're not doing a very good job with spacing out their arcs.
>>82760223
I took it as more of a "You still care about me even though you're about to die"
>>82760344
Yep so its not shipping cancer they are just friends.
The writers.
>>82760386
Everything in this show is shipping cancer. Even if Sugar meant for it to be more innocent, basing a big mechanism of her alien race around sensual dancing and "bodies joining together" set herself up for every fucking character in this show being shipped.
It's on par with Homestuck's matesprits shit. Considering she LOVES shipping, it definitely wasn't by accident.
the not so subtle agenda pushing from the show's creator
>>82760315
>It's not even that. According to the actual listing which the crew has known about for way longer than the general public has, this was a season premiere.
Wrong. This is the middle of Season 2. Cartoon Network just rebranded the episodes listing to cut all the coming seasons in half.
>And for a season premiere, to wrap shit up and then hold it off for later even though we were literally waiting all of season 2 to see what would happen and probably won't see the resolution to this for another 24 episodes is shit
Again, this is just a mid season episode, which seems to be written as being the first two episodes of a 5 episodes arc.
> We already spent so long building it up, this is going to be a shittier wait than what we had to go through with for Malachite.
Dude, it's the first time it's being introduced, not everything is being delivered at once.
> They need to start delivering on this hype soon if they want people to actually care rather than going, "Has it happened yet?".
Right now, we are in the exact same pacing as season 1. The equivalent of Ocean Gem will only come in 3 episodes.
>The crew knows they're working with bomb formats
They actually wrote it as a bomb format: We have currently see the 2 first episodes of a 5 episodes mini-arc clearly written as a Bomb Format, But then the network decided to fuck it up all over again by broadcasting the first tow episode now and the 3 other ones one time a weak. It's something you can in no way blame the writers for, there.
>and they're the ones choosing to write episodes like Onion Friend and Sadie's Song.
Except that those episodes were not released as a bomb formats, but actually were aired in a normal One episode a week format.
> They're not doing a very good job with spacing out their arcs.
Again, you can blame the network for the wonky schedule of the release.
If you binge watch those episodes, the pacing is actually quite good.
>>82760445
And that agenda would be?
>>82760315
>The crew knows they're working with bomb formats and they're the ones choosing to write episodes like Onion Friend and Sadie's Song. I can blame them. They're not doing a very good job with spacing out their arcs.
They didn't at the time those episodes were written (they explicitly said that those episodes were written before bombs were even a thing). They didn't start actually writing with bombs in mind until probably like season 4 (Message received's outline was written back in September of '14, and CN's first bomb was an adventure time bomb at the end of november that year)
>>82760469
>playing dumb
RS herself has openly admitted to it. You don't have to look very hard.
>>82760445
Yes Authors be damned to use their creation to express themselves. Don't they know that they should strip of any intend what they do and only produce soulless entertainment that never challenge the thought?
>>82760469
The daring and subversive concept that people should be more open-minded and accepting and that love can exist in different ways and shapes. Sugar has no shame.
every character is either fat, stupid or gay, like their target audience
>>82760510
I am not playing dumb I am legitimately wondering what "agenda" you're complaining about
>>82751960
>I've seen evidence that she is capable of writing well-paced stories, so I don't know what went so wrong here.
She only got experience in Adventure Time rather than branching out with lots of different formats like a growing artist should. Steven feels very "trial and error" and I think Sugar could have skipped that entirely if she just worked on a few more shows (That weren't just copies of Adventure Time's production format) before getting her own show.
What I want to know is how the hell did someone like Alex Hirsch hit it out of the park with the first season of Gravity Falls with only Fish Hooks as his experience. He has less talent than Sugar, so either he got really lucky or his crew did most of the work.
>>82760595
No the real problem is Steven I just realised I have never once cared about him I like the gems more than him, I like episodes where the gems interact with eachother more than Steven ones, it would be nice to see gems failing at human contact than Steven doing anything, honestly fuck Steven he ruins the show by just existing and Connie is so boring.
>>82745980
>Steven is always right no matter what and never learns anything.
>Steven is pretty much a man child and hasn't really shown any maturaity.
These two are wrong, though. Steven learns many things throughout the series and fucks up a lot of times, too.
>>82760850
No one cares about Steven learning his lesson theres a reason why jerks like Ben Tennyson that completely miss the life lesson are more well liked than do gooder fags like Steven hes so freaking boring oh my god.
>>82760903
>not believing in steven
Next you're gonna tell me Greg is boring, too
>>82744162
Needs 30 minute episodes instead of FUCKING 11 MINUTE EPISODES
>>82760994
Greg is more interesting than his own son, but hes a middle aged useless human so yh.
Steven's mommy issues are annoying OH HURR I GATZ TO DOS WHAT ME MOMS DID BECAUSE DURRRRRRRRR.
Hes a very confused character he doesnt even go to fucking school for god sake.
>>82761061
we're getting 20 minutes of lapis anon??
>>82761061
You mean 20 minutes episode, right? The 30 minute format doesn't exist.
>>82744402
Nice opening.
The show itself was generic 90's garbage though.
>>82760308
>>82760647
Alex Hirsch is an absolute madman genius who got a show greenlit by Disney overnight when it took fucking DAN POVENMIRE and SWAMPY MARSH like 10 years to get Phineas and Ferb to the same point.
>>82760647
>Flapjack
>>82761320
Shit, I always forget about Flapjack. Which I shouldn't because it's one of the most visually creative shows in awhile.
>>82745187
>Girls literally do not have enough stuff pandering towards them that doesnt tell them they belong in the kitchen or that they're just baby making machines.
Sure, that's why literally every Comic Character has a girl version.
>>82745187
>Believing females are equal to men isnt the same as being an SJW cuck
How are women equal to men exactly?
>>82745187
>that doesnt tell them they belong in the kitchen or that they're just baby making machines.
Please tell me any modern show in the past few decades that ever has this lesson or moral.
>>82744162
Crying and bomb format.
>>82761061
Agreed
>>82745187
Modern feminism is cancer. It used to be about equality but now it's simply superiority over one's gender. Feminist need to die out in America because they don't fight for the rights of other women, they fight for the rights of convenience.
>>82744195
Yeah, basically showing an hour, which are basically 2 regular 20 minute episodes, yeah bitches i dont count single 10 min vignettes as full episodes, all because CN went alpha LAZY.
>>82761061
Which half of the episodes would you cut to make this happen? Lots of people who say this don't consider these 2 things:
1. 20 minute shows usually find it hard to fill the time, thus why they almost always have a B-plot. This would be extremely awkward given the setup of the show takes place almost entirely from Steven's perspective. We wouldn't get less "filler" this way, we'd just get more painfully drawn out "filler"
2. You'd have half as many episodes. Where do you begin to make cutbacks on the show to make this work? Do you cut all beach city episodes out entirely destroying Steven's human side? That's a pretty big change.
>>82744359
Welp how many Shonnen shows do you have endured in which female as just annoying and inconsecuential?
Or dont get to shine like the protag, the rival or the co-rival?
Even the fighting girls in those shows are told to get back in the kitchen....
For me at least it's that the main characters are annoying in both writing and design, but even moreso is everything that ISN'T the characters is ten times more interesting. I.e. the backgrounds, the lore, the concept of fusions and gems
>>82744359
>aggrandizing
That's a delicious word.
>>82745187
>What's wrong with girls getting a chance?
I think that was his point, that the show is more or less putting the shoe on the other foot as far as male/female character relevance goes. Which isn't really a bad thing.
>>82749801
>Excuses, Excuses
>We cant figure it out, that must means cant be done!
>>82763266
Not him.
It maybe you should whatch better shows than Naruto and DBZ.
Or want everyone to be effective instead of just one gender.
>>82755879
GF was better UNTIL hirsch made mabel stepping over Dipper and those awful episodes when Mabel shits over Dipper and he is treated like crap relentlessly.
Plus the story resolutión was LAME, and it needed an extra season.
>>82764012
I was really disappointed in 2B. They barely used Ford, didn't deliver on multiple fronts (Dipper's real name, Stan death foreshadowing/A PINES WILL DIE promise), and weirdmageddon in its entirety felt rushed and left a sour aftertaste (oh joy, it ended on the same "Dipper gives up what he wants for Mabel" note that was established in TTP). Having a third season would have greatly helped many of these problems and it's a pity it will never be that way.
>>82752343
>I wanted the cluster to emerge even though we've long since established that it emerging literally means the end of the world!
The cluster has and still is doing a lot to the plot. Just because Steven found a way to stop it from destroying the world doesn't mean it was pointless. Malachite on the other hand was built up as this super cool threat, shows up in a dream once, then dies one fight later acting as nothing more than a way to tie up Lapis so she didn't join the team yet. That is the definition of a rushed resolution.
>>82764574
And the origin of the weirdness not being explained in detail beside "the UFO attracted all the weird shit. Or is the UFO part of the weird shit attracted because Gravity Falls is literally a weird magnet LOL who cares".
They should've given the shapeshifters plot relevance and explained more about Bill's past.
