Was Cap justified in going through all that trouble to save Bucky?
>>82730661
The fact that you ask this means you do not understand what it is like to have a brother.
Yes, Bucky is best boy.
>>82730661
Soldiers don't leave a man behind.
To him, yes. Bucky is his only friend left from the old days.
>>82730661
what sort of evil person would stand by and do nothing while their government murdered a man for a crime he didn't commit?
if you can do something, but you don't, and people die, they died because of you
>>82730661
Bucky did nothing wrong, so yes.
>>82730703
>you do not understand what it is like to have a brother.
I think "friend" is the more applicable term. You don't get to choose brothers. I have two and I straight up hate them.
>>82730899
>hating your own family
just be thankful you have any left.
>>82730661
You do not leave your battle behind.
Especially a battle under your command.
>You now realize the reason Bucky got lost in Europe for seventy years is because he's still a fucking second lieutenant.
>>82730661
No, you move.
>People are mad that Bucky killed some people while was brainwashed
>But when Hawkeye killed some people while being brainwashed it was okay
>>82730996
>enlisted jokes
>>82730899
You're right anon, you do not get to choose family.
>good idea
Defending a friend from being framed.
>Bad idea
Beating up Tony with the shield his dad gave him to defend his father's murderer.
>>82730661
Yeah but not about lying by omission to Tony about how his parents were assassinated
>>82730996
I'm pretty sure he was a sergeant
>>82731233
He just wanted to give the shield back to him is all.
Has any MCU character suffered more than Bucky?
>>82731319
Anakin Skywalker.
>>82731319
Wanda
>>82731233
Tony also caused peoples family members to die, much more directly than Bucky.
Doesn't mean Cap should let people kill Tony.
Hawkeye also killed people while under mind control. Banner also killed people while under mind control.
>>82730951
>just be thankful you have any left.
>caring for the abusive parent
>>82731319
Cap has
>>82730951
Sorry anon, but life has taught me to not be subject to genetic-bias. I don't make exceptions for people just because they come from the same gene pool as I do. I judge everyone equally. So pardon me for having the clarity of mind to acknowledge that certain members of my family are genuine scum.
>>82731319
No.
>fought in WW2
>captured by HYDRA and experimented on
>get saved, still fall off a train and lose your arm
>captured yet again by HYDRA, experimented on, tortured, brainwashed for about 70 years
>forced to kill countless of people and still remember all of them even when you escape the brainwashing
How he hasn't killed himself yet is a mystery.
>>82731407
Semantics don't matter when you're staring at someone that killed your parents. I would strangle Mother Theresa reborn if she killed my parents.
>>82731233
Bucky is as deserving of punishment for the murder of Tony's parents as the Stark bombs that got dropped on the Maximoffs in Sokovia.
>>82731575
That's because you're a stupid man child.
>>82731646
Yeah eye for an eye being as old as humanity itself but I'm the manchild. In a country which still has the death penalty. Lots of manchildren running around.
>>82731233
he didn't know Bucky was framed in the beginning
>>82730661
YOU. NEVER. LEAVE. A. BROTHER. BEHIND.
>>82731735
Death penalty if it's your fault you retard...
>>82731747
Pretty much yeah.
>Bucky, did you bomb that building?
>No.
>Ok I believe you. Thank god.
>>82731233
Cap wasn't defending Hydra though
I don't know if he was justified, but I'd do the same for some of my friends. If Tony is allowed to go "Blah he killed my mom" and do whatever he wants, then Cap is allowed to go "He's my bosom friend." and do whatever he wants. Doesn't make anyone right though, I dunno.
>>82731829
We've killed people under mind altering substances, it would apply similarly to someone like Bucky.
We imprison more people than Red China, and are the last nation killing people in the Western world at any kind of rate and all of it applied under the addage of "Eye for an Eye" which you ascribed immaturity to.
We have a long history of killing when it comes to kin.
>>82731919
"we"
>Implying the law makes something right
>>82731919
>We've killed people under mind altering substances, it would apply similarly to someone like Bucky.
Except Bucky literally had no choice and no free will so it's not exactly similar
>Members of Team Cap wears Baseball Caps while in civilian/incognito mode.
>>82731511
he was probably raped too, dozens of times
>>82732039
hydra mind control is literally the same thing as smoking weed
#Death4Pot
>>82732090
>this is considered incognito
>>82732260
>>82731511
According to the actor it's because he knew Cap still believes in him or something.
>>82731747
He didn't know Bucky was framed, but he was told that there were orders to shoot Bucky on sight. At the very least, he wanted to make sure that Bucky wasn't killed, especially since there was a possibility he was still brainwashed.
>>82731511
He can't do that to Cap, and he knows it ;_;
>>82730899
same, i'd die for my friends but find it hard to give my brother the time of day
>>82732527
According to the tie-in comics he really doesn't really know who Cap is, just appreciates him because he set him free and trusted in him.
On the other hand there's the part where he recites memories that he would've known as Bucky to Steve, so I'm getting mixed messages from this. Maybe he remembers being Bucky but can't feel any emotional attachment to it.
>>82732311
That is by far one of their better disguises.
>>82732090
I love how everyone's undercover look was "Jacket with sunglasses and baseball cap."
>>82732622
Are the comics set before the movie? Maybe some of his memories returned in the meantime.
>>82731482
the gene pool is shared with you. you're just as much of a scumbag as they are since you all came from the same nutsack
>>82732750
Yeah the art is hilariously bad in places.
>>82731418
>abusive parents
lel you must be a bastard child or a mistake. daddy forgot to pull out
>>82732812
why is bucky a black woman
>>82730661
1. Bucky was a victim
2. Bucky was his best bro and stood up for him when he was a sickly little shrimp.
>>82732838
BECAUSE IT'S 2016
>>82732838
HYDRA nanomachines son
>>82731436
there's something wrong with his leg right?
>>82731436
kek
>>82732094
>no qt braindead fuckboy ready to comply to your every demand
>>82730996
That was good.
>>82730661
He's only been around modern day for what, eight years? He grew up with Bucky for his whole previous life.
>>82732812
he looks like a titan in SnK
>>82733132
but he got fat
time to run the bulimia programs
>>82730661
Cap will go through any hell for any reason. If it is good he will do it. But he was a complete asshat (what, i said asshat) when it came to 'saving' bucky. Instead of negotiating with tony, who managed to get ross to back off after their first attack on bucky,he ran away which solved nothi g and just followed zemo. Then validated Stark by putting bucky on ice. At least it was BP who did it
>>82730661
At first they wanted to kill him, he just wanted to give him a fair trial
Then he knew he was innocent and Zemo wanted to awake the super soldiers, so he wanted to stop all of this
He was more than justified, he was doing the right thing
>>82730661
Leaving aside his friendship, Bucky is an (mostly) innocent man. If the order wasn't shoot to kill, Cap would have walked him through a fair trial (With Matt Murdock or Jessica Walters defending). Bucky is one of those special people who are worth more alive than dead. As a potential Avenger the amount of lives he can save are invaluable.
No. He came off as a holier than thou asshole throughout the movie. Tony was right to be pissed at him.
>>82733360
>I didn't watch the movie
>>82733360
Fuck off, Tony
>>82731233
Tony built Ultron which led to this shit in the first place.
>>82732622
but the movie comics literally have no connection to the films.
Its just Marvel comics trying to cash-in on Marvel films, something they have no real tie to, or insight into.
Marvel employees get to see the film like maybe a week before everyone else. They don't know what happens anymore than the general public, certainly not long enough to make a full comic.
>>82733427
>>82733437
This >>82733360 anon is right though. In the movie tony tried to make a deal countless times. But Steve wanted no negotiation at all. Any comprimise to him was a loss. That isn't how the world works
>ITT: People who hasn't watch the movie
Bucky was framed, but that wasn't the worse, the worse was that they wanted him dead, they were on a hunt to kill him, Cap only wanted for him a fair trial, even if he was guilty.
>>82733484
Some of them do, for example the Avengers tie-in comic showed that War Machine couldn't come to NY because he was on a mission somewhere. And the Iron Man 2 comics showed that Howard on top of being neglectful could be physically violent with Tony sometimes, which is why he hated him so much. They're B-level of canon compared to the movies.
>>82733551
>Steve, sign!
>They want to kill my friend, I can't
>Ok, fuck you
later
>Steve, sign!
>Now I will sign
>Nice, btw we have Wanda under arrest because
>Fuck Tony, I can't work like this
Later
>Steve, I came to arrest you
>Tony, there's this dude who wants to awake super soldiers
>Lol I don't care, you're under arrest
Yep, Cap was always wrong
>>82732812
Who the hell thinks it's okay to release shit like this?
>>82733551
>i suck goverment dick
>i suck jewish dick
>sodomise me bankers
t. goy retard
>>82731319
Literally Tony right now
>>82733716
that has to be a shop
>Holier than thou
Ok, what the actual fuck? he never said I'm right you're wrong, he only said I can't do that, is not who I'm
>>82731319
Spider-man only had a small cameo, give him time
>>82733639
plus you have Tony who didn't tell Spidey what he was fighting for and basically black-mailed a teenager into joining up.
>>82733639
this, the people pushing the Accords were completely unreasonable at every step
>cap you should feel very ashamed for not letting us just murder your best friend, so ashamed you better sign this or else
>>82733763
He didn't say it per se, but he thought about it, he's a sanctimonious piece of shit.
>>82733921
Seriously Tony, go to bed. You're drunk.
>>82731319
I imagine some Asgardians and the like suffered more in sheer quantity, but probably not in a proportionately out of their lifetime sense.
>>82731418
Be free of it, leave, move, run.
Reminder that Tony is an asshole who will abandon the mission objective that is literally within his grasp just for personal vengence
>>82730661
He wasn't only trying to save Bucky because "Best Pal" Cap was trying to save the last remnant of his past. Is just so happened to be Bucky.
>>82731233
>people seriously would have tried to kill Bucky for being mind-controlled into killing their parents
You fucks need to get your emotions under control.
If Steve is so right, why he wields the symbol of America in his left hand? checkmate
>>82732814
>>82732776
>bloo a blooo blooo
>someone doesn't blindly adhere family values and is capable of forming their own sense of right and wrong and can judge individuals according to how they behave in life
Fuck off.
>>82732812
Looks like a fusion of a little girl and Frank Castle.
>>82733639
Every time tony wanted to comprimise. Steve was an asshat the entire time
>>82734251
Examples
>>82730661
Cap wanting to save Bucky was justified.
Bucky not ending the violence by just giving up, was not.
>>82734345
But he did, he decided to go back on ice.
>>82734345
They were going to kill him.
>>82734345
>Bucky not letting himself get killed was not justified
The fuck?!
considering Ross' stance was "I have to tell you to use lethal force only if necessary, but I really just want you to shoot him no matter what. Kill him.", yes. Cap specifically left to save bucky on his own because ross was not going to take him in alive.
>"The Avengers were always your family."
>Only Rhodey and Vision stayed
>Thor and Banner would have opposed the accords too if they were there.
>Literally everyone else is a fugitive on the run
>>82734688
>Tony is a loose cannon
>Rhodey is a paraplegic
>Vision is going through an existential crisis
The Avengers sure are a force to be reckoned with right now.
>>82734770
They have Spider-man, who is pretty powerful
>>82734899
Tony sent him home because he realized it was stupid to put a 15 year old into battle
>>82734971
yet they have a 1 year old in their team
>>82735085
and we saw how well that turned out
>>82735134
And yet he's still in the team
>>82734770
They're going to hire Dr. Strange next.
>>82730661
Its a matter of principles. But overall, Bucky was as much a victim in the movie as anyone, so morally, kind of yeah.
Though I guess ironically, if Cap had just said fuck it, signed the papers and let whatever happen to Bucky, things would have ended a lot happier for almost everyone.
>>82734688
I wonder how it'll play into Ant-Man and the Wasp. Scott is a fugitive now too. I also heard that Ultron is returning as the villain for that movie too.
>>82735352
>things would have ended a lot happier for almost everyone.
Except for Bucky, and by extension Cap.
Vision Wanda and Tony are all to be held unaccountable for their actions and have suffered enough.
Bucky is unredeemable and has gone unpunished for too long
>>82735416
Hence the ALMOST.
I mean, who else would have been bad off? Nobody.
>>82731085
Seriously. No one blamed Hawkeye.
>>82735523
Hawkeye didn't kill anyone with families working for the state department.
TO THE END OF THE LINE.
>>82735419
Punished for what? Shit he literally had no control over?
>>82735419
Unpunished for what, being tortured and brainwashed for 70 years?
>>82733903
As a Spidey-fan this broke my heart. If Spidey knew that Cap was pro "you take responsibility for your actions" Peter would have joined him in a heartbeat.
>>82735588
He killed SHIELD agents
>>82731085
hawkeye didnt killed tonys mommy
>>82735706
And most of them got fired.
Checkmate athiests.
Who cares about Bucky. Putting the Avengers authority in the hands of the UN is retarded.
>>82735419
The movie does a good job at taking Tony and Wanda to court. But vision is off the hook.
But...as a writer myself i dont know how they could have handled Vision other thsn making him question himself and try to be human.
They did all those character very fuckkng well
>>82735764
Agreed. It was actually a pretty good movie.
>>82735732
What.
>>82735742
Comparing UN 616 to mcu to our world is retarted. Mayby in this world t'chaka made it work
>>82735692
Pretty much. And that "if you have powers and don't do anything to help people, it's your fault when bad things happen" line sounded like something Cap would say too.
>>82735822
I'm comparing the mcu UN to our UN which was obviously the intention of the film. And it's fucking retarded.
>>82735692
>>82735875
I really really thought when he said that line it would come back at the end and change Tony's mind.
>>82735822
>retarted
>mayby
>>82730661
So what's everyone's thoughts on the handling of Wanda? Was putting her on house arrest the right thing to do?
>>82730899
Same. Fuck my brother, we hate each other's guts.
>>82735439
If's a really utilitarian way of looking at things though, and Cap isn't down with that.
>>82735379
Ant-Man isn't going to have problems, he'll hide behind a rock or something.
>>82736096
I think it's not unreasonable, but Tony was stupid to say that it was to protect others when he should've worded it like protecting her from the public who are out for her blood. Granted it would probably upset her to be told that she's a damsel but at least he's making it clear that it's her wellbeing he's concerned about, rather than pissing her off by implying she's untrustworthy.
>>82736228
Not to mention keeping her out of conversation altogether, having Vision drop the news like that only made it worse.
>>82730661
They must be having sex with each other.
>>82736096
Better than gitmo, the raft, or immediate deportation. I'd say yeah, grounding her is pretty light.
>>82734688
>Thor and Banner would have opposed the accords too if they were there.
They implyed Banner would oppose them, but I don't see why. Of all people you'd think he would appreciate being kept in check, especially after trashing that city in AoU. He seems like he could be guilty into the accords just like Tony.
Plus they can't have Thor and Hulk on the same side or it's just unfair.
>>82736363
>They implyed Banner would oppose them, but I don't see why.
because some one else would be deciding if he would go Hulk, because Ross was in charge of all this, because he often prefers to slip away to live in peace?
>>82736363
>Plus they can't have Thor and Hulk on the same side or it's just unfair.
Nothing of Thor's character says he would support them.
>>82736363
I don't think Banner would want to be on the same side as General Ross.
Thor probably wouldn't take either side though, petty human squabbles are beneath him.
I don't have a friendship that close, but you're talking about someones first BEST friend whoe ended up being in your unit in the military then you think he dies only to find out he's alive and in trouble then he becomes the only living person that was a part of your old life. Justified? I don't know but certainly understandable that he did. I am nowhere near as close to my dad as Bucky and Cap seem to be but I would do it for him if I was capable and he was in a similar situation.
>>82734053
Fuck off Red
>>82736363
I doubt they could really impose them on Thor seeing how hes essentially an intergalactic ambassador, different rules for him. And Banner wouldn't want to be on the same side as Ross because fuck that guy
>>82730661
I'd do the same for my /b/ro.
>>82731735
>Lots of manchildren running around.
yes. The world is full of man children wearing their daddys clothes and doing their serious business man voice, doesn't mean it's something to aspire to.
Which movie was better, Winter Soldier or Civil War?
>>82736951
I still prefer TWS.
>>82736951
Civil War had more "great" moments and performances but Winter Soldier was more well-assembled. Sometimes I boot up Winter Soldier just to watch certain cool scenes and I'll still want to watch it all the way to the end. Whereas with Civil War I jump around depending on my mood.
>>82736552
>/b/ro
They're not actually your bros, bro. /b/ros are a wild kind of animal within this kingdom.
>>82736552
>/b/ro
You need an aniki in your life.
>>82736951
I almost feel like I was watching two different movies with civil war. The first half was very low key. It mostly talking with three or four very short action scenes. I found the action scenes in this half to be incredibly messy with a close, tight frame, lots of quick cuts and what feels like key frames skipped between them. Most of the time I couldn't tell what the fuck was going on.
and then we hit the second half, which consists of the airport fight scene on wards. The action was much better here, with longer cuts and better tracking on the action so I could actually tell what was happening. it reminded me more of the action in TWS.
>>82736096
> Assange
> Snowdon
> Maximoff
>>82736951
Winter Soldier is still my favorite MCU movie, but I enjoyed Civil War a lot too.
>>82734251
Not really. Steve was ready to sign when they apprehended Bucky. Once his friend was safe and, as Tony offered, was going to be moved to a psychiatric facility in the states, Cap was ready to sign. At that point, he just wanted a few compromises on the Accords to grant him and his friends slightly more liberty, probably the ability to refuse orders or to act in emergencies without going through the whole chain of command. Then when he found out that Wanda was basically under house arrest and was classified (along with Vision) as a "weapon" and not as a person, he refused again.
>>82734108
He was also trying to save an innocent man from getting made an example of by a paranoid world. It just so happened that was also Bucky,
>>82730899
>I have two and I straight up hate them.
You'll grow out of that, probably.
>>82736363
Banner would not have trusted Ross. Period.
>>82738016
believe me, it doesn't always work out that way. Two of my sisters have been bitterly fighting for a good 10 years or more and there's no end in sight.
>>82736483
Thor would certainly take Cap's side. He'd be pretty disgusted their leaders are disrespecting the warriors that keep them safe because of their own small grievances.
>>82738157
"You people are so petty...and tiny..."
>>82731482
*tips fedora*
>>82738918
(You)
>>82736346
You really want "No more humans" to happen don't you?
>>82730899
>I have two and I straight up hate them.
I agree, fuck blood it doesn't make an asshole less of an asshole
