So we're all agreed this is great, right?
>>82729961
Yes.
Yes.
I personaly give it a 7/10 overall, but I enjoyed it more than that.
It has tons of flaws, stupid decision and a director that needs to be put on a leash, but I enjoyed myself a lot. The 4 times I've seen it.
>>82729961
Yep.
>>82729961
It was aight
>>82729961
>>82729961
No.
>>82729961
Best capekino ever
>>82730121
this is so great
4/10
it fell flat on its face but i enjoyed... but i didn't hate parts of it.
>>82729961
No, go away Snyder.
Brutal Bat was pretty cool.
>>827299616/10it wasok
>>82729961
It's better than anything the MCU has done.
>>82729961
Yeah, solid 7/10. It'll get memed as bad though by people that watched it once or never saw it at all just like MoS.
pure kino downvoted by paid tomato shills praise kek
>>82730274
>having to watch a movie multiple times to find reasons to like it
>>82729961
Its not great, but not as bad as a lot of shitheads on here make it out to be. Also, i think waiting 3 years for this movie and hyping it up for that long was bad, when you wait for something for 3 years.. its never going to live up to the hype.
That being said. This movie also had a ton of hate before and after release, people laughed when Ben was cast and also hated the idea of Gal playing WW because she doesnt look like a wrestler. Also the bad reception MoS had along with Zods death being an issue for a lot of you fags.
So yeah, this movie was fucked to ever meet anyone's expectations. Im actually shocked it made the money it did considering everything and the low RT score so many people seem to care about.
7.5/10
>>82729961
No.
I loved it, but no way in hell do "we all agree".
It was Passion of the Christ but with Batman and a light show against Satan at the end
6/10
>>82730415
Unbelievable that people could dislike something you like, right?
>>82730396
This. If you have to watch the movie multiple times to find a reason that it's good, I'll give you the short answer. Bias. You wanted to find reasons to like something you knew you wanted to like.
>>82730523
At that point it might not even be "I want to find reasons to like it" but rather "I want to find reasons to justify the fact that i kept sinking time and money into this"
>>82730523
>>82730570
I don't understand ever paying to see a movie twice. I've never seen a movie so good I'd pay for it two times.
Lex was a shitty villain. He has the mental capacity to figure out Superman and Batman's identity, set up a series of events so they would fight each other, trick the government into getting unrestricted and unmonitored access to alien technology and the only remains, trick an alien security system into getting administrator privileges, and make a genetic abomination using only some string, a squirrel, and a genetic abomination.
But giving a 2 minute speech? At the even he is hosting? Oh no, that's too much for him.
>>82729961I want to convince myself that I liked it
>>82730642
Yeah I never heard about this before /co/ started talking about comic book movie revenue. I didn't know people did it at all. It seems strange to me.
>>82729961
even since TDKR everything WB/DC comes out with becomes a meme, so I guess if that's what you're into, then yeah, it was a great meme flick.
go see Civil War if you want an actual superhero movie that's not overly inspired by an autistic director who the only person who told him his symbolism was subtle was his mom.
>>82730702
>>82730642
I have seen lots of movies twice in theaters.
I initially saw Pacific Rim on regular screen then went back to watch it in Imax. I still get hyped when I rewatch the fight scenes.
>>82730709
>Civil War if you want an actual superhero movie
Have you considered suicide?
>>82730764
I hope you snuck in the second time or something. Maybe I'm a jew, but it just sounds like a waste of money to me.
>>82730764
I'm >>82730702 and to me I guess to me I just don't see the value in watching in a theater outside of seeing it ahead of time. I don't get anything out of Imax vs normal theater screens vs home release.
>>82730870
>maybe
definitely, git gassed kid
anyway, it's like 11 bucks a movie, that's nothing
>>82730642
I almost did it with Zootopia. It was that good, and I kept hearing about people finding different easter eggs.
>>82730415
>That being said. This movie also had a ton of hate before and after release, people laughed when Ben was cast and also hated the idea of Gal playing WW because she doesnt look like a wrestler. Also the bad reception MoS had along with Zods death being an issue for a lot of you fags.
Invalid. Afleck and to a lesser extent Gadot are now lauded as the movie's only saving graces. Whatever hate there was beforehand, had the movie been remotely good it would have negated it all.
>>82730995
It was good tho.
>>82730822
It's pretty trash
3/10
>>82731084
This.
>>82729961
Greatest comic book movie there is after the nolanverse
It was about equal in quality to Civil War.
>>82731141
Men in Black is the best comic book movie though
>>82731141
BB>TDK>BvS>TDKR
>Captain America "if I see something wrong, I'm going to do something about it."
>Superman "If I see something wrong, maybe I should just let them die. Sometimes I need to let fear control my life. When I do help, I'll probably be annoyed by it."
>>82731174
>company wars
>>82731141
>>82731157
No, that would beRoad to Perdition.
>>82729961
7/10 movie, 4/10 Batman-Superman movie
Batman and Lex were the best parts of the movie. Liked the little Injustice tease. Still not sure why Flash is mexican.
>>82731196
Then maybe DC should make good capeshit and there wouldn't be any company wars
>>82729961
watchmen was better
>>82729961
If it wasn't for Fantastic Four and Man of Steel, I would say it was the worst comic book movie of the past five years.
>>82731257
die
>So we're all agreed this is great, right?
>>82731305
Your butthurt is showing.
>>82731330
no shit
Superman isn't even a main character in his own fucking movie because Snyder and WB hate him so much.
>>82729961
Yeah I love it
>>82731305
Tell that to Snyder, not me
>>82731386
He only has 42 lines in the movie as well.
>>82729961
Unless you're a Superman fan, or even just lightly like the character and believe he is a superhero.
>>82729961
not great but not the Trankastic piece of shit everyone makes it out to be
>>82731525
>42 lines of dialogue
>in his own movie
>>82729961
Fuck you Snyder, fuck you fuck you fuck you.
>>82731573
That's less than the amount of lines Spidey got in half an hour of screen time in Civil War.
>>82730523
so everyone that's seen TFA and CW multiple times is because they're on denial?
>>82731604
*Quips
>>82729961
Its pretty good
>>82731663
>Spider-Man
>Not quipping
Still, weak bait, but quips are lines too, pal.
>>82731604
>>82731663
I agree, Spiderman should be a murderous psycho who makes people suffocate by webbing their noses.
>>82729961
8.5/10
>>82729961
Whats the over-under that Snyder posted this, and a good handful of the replies?
>>82730523
But /co/ always say that you've to read Grant Morrison comics more than once to understand the appeal of his stories.
Is biased towards Morrison?
>>82732153
1:1
>>82732153
It's not Snyder.
It's Ben trying to rationalize his commitment.
He has nothing else in life so he comes here
>>82731157
This is actually true
>>82731157
It's too different from the source to really say that.
>>82730822
sorry, did I trigger you?
>>82731663
>Spider-Man has more quips in a cameo than Superman has lines in his own sequel
>>82730938
>everything I disagree with is bait
the future of shitposting.
>>82732714
But every character in the Marvel Studios movies talk and quip waaay too much.
Heck, i wouldn't be surprised if Coulson had more lines in The Avengers than Superman did in BvS.
>>82732698
We're only debating quality though not percentage adapted
>>82732951
I think there has to be enough similarity otherwise it's just a shared name
>>82729961
Full Denial: The Thread
>>82730396
>>82730523
>thinking you can accurately judge something after 1 viewing in a theater you barely paid attention to cause you were too busy looking for reasons to hate it
>>82732153
There are two, more likely scenarios:
>some douchefuck pulling the ol' "Now that the dust has settled, we can all agree that this shit film nobody liked was perfect, right?" and the usual trolling
>WB interns sockpuppeting in order to claw back some hype for Suicide Squad
>>82733041
>being this delusional
>>82732993
they fought aliens, that's enough
>>82733073
Evans poster there is no way you didn't go into it looking for reasons to hate it.
For example the Martha complaint is pure autism. Travel back to 1939 and tell them not to giver Superman and Batman's mom the same name.
>>82733133
>. Travel back to 1939 and tell them not to giver Superman and Batman's mom the same name.
You're a real piece of work if you think that people have a problem because the two women have the same name.
The issue is that the coincidence was used as the ultimate resolution to the main conflict of the movie.
>>82729961
It's the blunder of the century, even the greatest dckeks have to admit that.
>>82731661
The post this post was replying to said that people who didn't like BvS only did 'because they only saw it one time'. So to answer your question, no, except if they didn't really like it the first time.You illiterate fucking idiot.Try reading the posts you're replying to.
>>82733041
If you're busy looking for reason then how can you also barely pay attention to it?
>>82733173
No it wasn't. Maybe you should watch it again. Batman was conflicted the entire time over it. Constantly voicing why he thinks he should do it cause he had his doubts. Hearing that Superman cared about a specific individual showed Batman Superman's humanity. Superman could have said anyone. You have autism though so I wouldnt expect you to be able to read between the lines.
>>82733240
>Superman could have said anyone.
Oh yeah, I'm sure.
You're so right.
>>82732332
Yes.
>>82729961
I never saw BvS but can someone who's seen it explain to me who wrote this?
>>82733186
It's not even a very good argument. Anything can become tolerable if you commit yourself to experiencing it over and over. Hold your hand in searing hot water for an hour, and you probably won't feel much anymore, but that won't get rid of the third-degree burns.
>>82733280
Ladies and gentleman the average autismo who thinks it's shit.
>>82733240
The intention of the scene is that Batman sees Superman as a human because he has a human mother. The way the scene ACTUALLY PLAYS is that the titular conflict is resolved through an awkward coincidence. A movie still has to effectively convey its ideas and connect with an audience. Having good intentions isn't enough.
>>82733283
Lex.
>>82733319
>. A movie still has to effectively convey its ideas and connect with an audience
Just because it wasn't effective for you, it doesn't mean it was for anyone else.
The less said, the better.
Basic filmmaking rules
>>82729961
DCEU shitheads at it again with the revisionist history, I see.
>>82733292
Several /co/ posters said they watched Civil War more than once and caught a lot more things than in the first viewing. So did they also convinced themselves that Civil War was good?
>>82733421
It wasn't effective for most people. Aside from /tv/ contrarians, I don't know anyone who found it to be a moving and well-handled scene. It was the cinematic equivalent of having a big speech in your head and saying "I desperately want to make love to a schoolboy." That scene is going to be a joke for years.
>>82733529
>It wasn't effective for most people.
And this is why we're stuck with quipshit like the Marvel movies instead of something that tries to be more
>>82733421
>The less said, the better.
>Basic filmmaking rules
No it's not, there's a fucking line between 'show, don't tell' and failing to explain your shit properly. If some people thought it worked, good for them, but if so many people had an abvious problem with that, there's a problem. And don't try the
>so u agree it's 2deep4u
route, it's not even a very clever concept, it's just explained in a shit way.
>>82733514
Read the fucking post this was a replying to.
>it's shit
>no, you don't understand it
>what don't I understand
>it's too deep for you, you wouldn't understand
>yes I would, what's deep about it
>you wouldn't understand
And they wonder why no one listens to them.
>>82733604
This statement would work much better if a certain Marvel film that hits the exact same beats as BvS, but executed it way better hadn't come out recently. But I know, I know, the fact that scenes with quips exist in that film make it impossible for yiu to like it in any way.
>>82733691
>This statement would work much better if a certain Marvel film that hits the exact same beats as BvS, but executed it way better hadn't come out recently.
Civil War doesn't hit the same points other than heroes fighting each other.
>>82730173
>I did not hit Lois. It's not true. It's bullshit. I did not hit her
>>82733760
>discussions about vigilantiism
>how responsible are superheroes for casualties in fights
>people throwing a bitch fit over their mom
>antagonist fits into the theme by hating superheroes
Sure.
>>82729961
I don't understand why WB let Snyder be the ring leader.
After Sucker Punch came out executives should've saw that this director is an insane person and his story telling is subpar to an edgy emo girl w/o writes invader zim slash fiction.
He is a bad directly, he does not make good movies.
An ad apparently actively doesn't like the source material and does not respect it in anyway.
Yeah that's the guy you want running a ship.
Snyder is a new shitty director archetype along with the likes of Michael bay and N Night Shamalamadingdong.
>>82733882
>discussions about vigilantiism
>how responsible are superheroes for casualties in fights
That was pretty much brushed aside when Bucky came into the picture.
>people throwing a bitch fit over their mom
You mean parents in general? That only played a part in the end.
>>82733934
>That was pretty much brushed aside when Bucky came into the picture.
That was why they were pursuing Bucky in the first place. Also, i could say the same thing about BvS as soon as Lex entered the picture.
>>82733934
>That was pretty much brushed aside when Doomsday came into the picture.
People disliking a movie doesn't make it any less formula.
>>82733894
His wife funds him.
>>82733964
Lex's entry into the plot amplified the issue. He's the catalyst.
>>82733894
From what I understand, WB fired the guy ended up going to Disney and created the entire Marvel movieverse. They are afraid to let anyone go because experience has proven that the second a person leaves the WB they immediately become 1000 times more successful and make millions or even BILLIONS for their next company.
>>82733964
They were pursuing Bucky because he was an old brainwashed assassin who was framed for a murder. It had nothing to do with vigilantism.
>Also, i could say the same thing about BvS as soon as Lex entered the picture.
No, you can't because Lex set everything up for hating everything Superman represented.
>>82733968
No, it wasn't. Doomsday was created to further ruin Superman's image and kill him. He's a culmination of everything that happened.
>>82734055
>No, it wasn't. Doomsday was created to further ruin Superman's image and kill him.
Like how Bucky was set up to discredit and destroy the Avengers.
>>82734010
That's why the film started with an explanation of Batmans hate for Superman and why the two had an argument later on that Lex did not spark at all, right?
>>82729961
I liked it - but askin /co/ to agree on anything is like herding cats.
>>82734082
Don't forget to take the blame for killing the Wakandan king.
All in a pitch to destroy all empowered/enhanced people in the world.
>>82734082
Not really. It was to split the Avengers, not discredit them.
But sure, you can compare Bucky role to Doomsday, but not to Lex.
>>82733514
There's a difference between noticing things you didn't catch on the first viewing and the movie retroactively becoming good on viewing #6. Like, knowing that Zemo's talking to old voice messages of his wife makes the scenes where he's talking on the phone a lot more interesting.
Honestly, BVS is a movie that feels like it would be more boring on the second viewing, not less. At least on the first viewing, you might be driven by the hope that one of these plot threads might go somewhere interesting.
>>82734104
Lex and Batman shared the same views almost and Lex machinations amplified Batman resolve and the fight between Batman and Superman.
>>82734127
Wasn't the videotape more of a "Doomsday" than Bucky though?
>>82734055
>what if the UN makes us do something we don't want to
>guys you have to pursue Bucky
>had nothing to do with vigilantism or collateral damage
Also
>Lex set everything up for hating everything Superman represented
It literally opens with a scene explaining why Batman and people in general would hate him.
>>82734152
So Lex is not the catalyst then.
>>82734159
Not really, because Zemo had already split the team with Bucky. The videotape only made it more personal to Tony.
>>82732602
Ben doesn't have to prove anything to anybody. His performance was the most commonly praised. It was everything Snyder did that sucked.
>>82734127
>It was to split the Avengers
>you can't compare him to lex who sets them up fighting
kek
>>82734055
>>82734082
I'm pretty sure Doomsday was intended to be the culmination of Luthor's hatred and insanity. There was no way to stop him, no way to shut him down, DD's only purpose was to kill Superman because Lex was bent on it. He didn't even consider all the other destruction.
>>82734152
But they don't, Bruce is the Übermensch, trying to kill God to make his life work worth something, lex is acting out from his own ego, he is Frankenstein/prometheus. They are reacting to the same person, but not to the same feelings or themes, they only thing they have in common is money
>>82734180
>what if the UN makes us do something we don't want to
>guys you have to pursue Bucky
>had nothing to do with vigilantism or collateral damage
What has any of that to do with the issues of vigilantism or collateral damage? Even if some of them said no there would be other people hunting for Bucky.
>>82734225
Splitting the group and discrediting them are two different things, and we were talking about the issues of vigilantism and collateral damage.
>>82734338
>Splitting the group and discrediting them are two different things
No shit. I was pointing out how you admited that Bucky was there to split them and then went ahead and claimed that he has nothing in common with Lex, who makes Bats and Supes fight.
>and we were talking about the issues of vigilantism and collateral damage
What?
>>82733240
>Hearing that Superman cared about a specific individual showed Batman Superman's humanity.
Funny thing. There are other, better ways to convey this or lead Bruce to this realization than leveraging the coincidence that their mother's shared the same name.
>>82729961
>>82734775
Bruce throughout the whole movie is trying to live up to his father image and obsessing about his mother. The coincidence worked.
>>82734832
UUUU
For the rest of the world, it's a goddamn joke.
Jesus you fuckers are more contrarian than /v/. And that is really sad.
>>82734813
>implying the approval of the average idiot moviegoer matters at all.
>>82734039
Who's the guy you're referring to?
>>82729961
Only if you forget that Marvel exists.
>>82735227
I try every day
>>82735064
>implying your not salty that it's not the other way around
>>82735064
So it doesn't have the approval of the average moviegoer because B Cinemascore and 68% drop, it doesn't have the approval of the critics because 29%, and it doesn't have the approval of the core comic fanbase because not muh.
Who does it have the approval of, then? Because based on the people I've met, it's comprised of particularly desperate DC fans and people who like to feel sophisticated because they're not watching an MCU film. That's not what I'd call wide appeal.
>>82735064
No, it does not matter, but when so many people say that a film sucks it means that something in the movie does not work.
You are free to like it, but narratively, the stories that work, convince more people.
>>82734202
But Zemo's plan had already worked on splitting up the Avengers much like Lex's capture Martha worked on pitting Superman against Batman. The video was just the last nail in the coffin to make sure that Bucky, Cap, and Iron man were done for, much like Doomsday was the last ditch effort to kill Superman.
>>82730078
This. I've seen it five times and am still tempted to go again.
Does anyone else agree that the Knightmare was cool to see but really added nothing? I think a scene of Clark doing some on foot journalism in Gotham and discovering the negative effects that he only hints on in the film would have been great
>>82736681
>I've seen it five times
I admire the devotion of DC fans while they try to lift the film to a billion.
