http://anotherlooka.blogspot.com/2016/05/runaways-another-point-of-view-about.html
Ive found this nugget
>sees author complain about avengers undercover cover
Christ, that was a nitpick. He's a zombie and they're depicting him as such. Besides that, he raised some valid arguments that I'm sure /co/ will shit on without considering.
>>82696400
The writing is godawful. Do some proofreading.
>>82696400
>The book is bad because I didn't like that Alex was the villain and I think it was racist!
There, i just saved you the read.
He also conveniently ignores Nico's PoC status in order to broaden his point.
>basically wants every black charachter to not have any sort if faults if villinaous status.
This is why no one writes black/poc characters and excludes them. Because no matter How you write them, everyone is going to fucking bitch and moan about it. Black panther is praised for how he is, but a black group at my university fucking despises him because he comes from a hidden African nation. It's practically mental gymnastics with the reasons they don't like him.
Hey let's reply on his blog
>>82697109
>POC
kill yourself
yeah I agree bring this up to the guy at his blog
>>82697852
Who you responding to?
Yeah, let's leave a comment on his blog.
>>82696400
>Ive found this nugget
>>82697646
>Hey let's reply on his blog
>>82697852
>yeah I agree bring this up to the guy at his blog
So, it's official, /co/ is just a bunch of 12 year old personal army soldiers for whatever idiot has the free time to comb the internet for a blog that triggers them. Jesus wept.
>>82700174
>>82697852
>>82697646
Not your personal army, etc.
>>82700206
Or the guy trying to get his blog noticed, so he came to /co/ to samefag.
>>82697109
>>The book is bad because I didn't like that Alex was the villain and I think it was racist!
Oh jesus christ, thanks anon
>>82697724
OK, sorry
>He also conveniently ignores Nico's colored person status in order to broaden his point.
That better?
Fuckers like this make it hard to be an actual black nerd cause every one thinks were as retarded as he is.
>>82700476
No.
>He also conveniently ignores Nico's ching chong status in order to broaden his point.
There.
>>82700560
She's Japanese, not Chinese.
>>82696400
>literally just list a whole load of "tropes" without any original critical thought.
>THIS PART ISN'T RACIST BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TROPE BUT THIS PART IS RACIST BECAUSE IT IS A TROPE
Modern criticism in a nutshell tbqh, this guy is a satirical genius.
>>82697109
>>The book is bad because I didn't like that Alex was the villain and I think it was racist!
but i really liked him and it came out of nowhere.
I want more black villains but man why did it have to be alex
>>82700675
That's literally how I feel about Miles in relation to Ult Pete and why I will never read any of his books. White dudes that can't carry a movie are now totally expendable whilst non-white characters are protected due to the inevitable backlash. You won.
Marvel just needs to stop their character assassination of Nico and fast track a Runaways movie so I can sell my mint condition Runaways #1.
already got the good news about Wolverine cloning in X-Apoc, for the value of my copy NYX #3
>>82700675
Dude, re-read it. He almost spills the beans several times in the series.
Like him creeping around the secret passages in the Hostel (#9), the speech he gives to Nico before she kisses him (#6), and I'm sure there's more.
>>82700633
I thought she was Laotion?
To be serious, she's basically Asian pop culture progressive right now in A-Force. Very isolated from her distrust of adults and her dislike of being a superhero. She's still kind of a mother bear to Singularity, but she's really stripped of characterization there.
>>82702749
I felt she's drawing from Babymetal in overall style these days.
>>82702981
Naw Babymetal is kinda always gothic. She looks like she walked out of the Jem comic with Dazzler.
>>82697109
Nico the whitest looking Asian I've ever seen in comics though. Whiter than Psylocke, and she's literally the physical otherkin of a white British chick. If she didn't outright say it I'd never have guessed from anything other than her name.
>>82700528
Life is pain.
>Runaways has been on hiatus for longer than it ran.
i wish marvel had not split them up, it goes against the groups character.
>>82704323
I don't get why people say this.
>>82705188
Do youreal want runaways in the current climate?
After what they did to the young avengers?
>>82705394
I read all way to cancellation, i obviously dont care about quality as much as keeping the cast togther.
>>82705394
Given what happened to them INSTEAD of getting that happened to the Young Avengers, hell yeah.
I can't survive another trip on the Hopeless train.
>>82705701
I'd rather they publish a new volume of Runaways or not use them at all. Unlike any other group from Marvel, the Runaways are really a package deal. I can't imagine any scenario that could justify Nico leaving her responsibilities of leading her family of runaways to join A-force.
>>82710398
I'm gonna write a letter to ask about that shit.
But I'm waiting for the end of the current arc.
All I want is to her acknowledge the rest of her family in some capacity.
Like, talking with Karolina over the phone about how everyone is doing and how she'll be back soon and stuff.
>>82696400
>blogspot
>>82702702
that really doesn't prove anything...
The only good part of Runaways was Xavin and he's been gone from comics for like 10 years now.
>>82704323
I'm guessing you've never read anything with Collen Wing.
>>82702981
this waay before babymetal
>>82700476
mmm not really, just centering his focus. besides given the time it was coming out...I think Marvel was trying to cash in the manga readers
>>82712323
Nah... I'd rather they continue her character development from Arena and point out how that entire experience fucked her up.
>>82696400
How has this not been posted yet?
>>82714065
Completely agreed. Did he have any problems with being a girl for Karolina? I can't remember.
>>82714744
A few, mainly focused on how he just didn't understand what Karolina's issue was with him shapeshifting into a dude sometimes. Similar things were touched upon in She-Hulk when she was working with the Skrull chick.
I've always kinda agreed with what this guy is saying.
Since I'm assuming most of you are newfags who weren't reading comics when this book actually came out, try and remember what comics were like back then. You could count the number of active black superheroes on a single hand. And they were all old, or corny. Falcon was lame and on the Avengers and Black Panther was great but had just been canceled. Luke Cage had just knocked up Jessica Jones in Alias, but this was before he got fleshed out in New Avengers. Storm was stuck under Claremont. It was a shitty time for black characters. Alex was a unicorn, and they killed him.
>>82715123
willing to tell him that personally
>>82715171
Fuck no. Who posts on blogspot anymore? What is this, 2006?
>>82715123
ok I saw the samething on wordpress
https://jarronnelums.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/runaways-another-point-of-view/
>>82715123
I was around, and even in Runaways they were bringing him back. There was that whole Mollys talking to her self thing they had going. And it turned out to be Alex. Shit just got canceled pretty soon after.
And it was rare for a black character like that but everyone FORGETS about Patriot.
>>82715376
mm I wonder why did it got canceled
>>82715430
It was never a great seller and got put on hiatus a few times then some of the followup writers really dropped the ball.
It would be cool if Alex wasn't the villian or that he betrayed to team to outsmart his father, After eveytthing was all said and done he went met up with Luke cage and Black Panther.
>>82715508
no wonder if fell out...i mean if they did a better job in the first arc. it would lasted longer
>>82705188
Dude honestly, it always felt like the team wasn't designed to last.
Runaways' story basically ended after volume 1. I enjoyed the Vol. 2 stuff and I liked Victor and Xavin. But with each volume took more and more effort to answer questions such as "What the fuck are they gonna do now that their parents are gone." and "Why are they still running away". Whedon's run was still decent even though it was inferior to the previous stuff but it was basically the nail in the coffin. No writer knows what to do with the kids aside from Vaughn, and he already told the story he wanted to tell.
It makes me sad too, Runaways was the series that got me into comic books. But I feel like letting the kids split up and essentially ending their stories in the happiest possible note is for the best.
I kinda agree with him. I always did think that Alex's reveal to the be the mole and immediate death was poorly written. Molly speaking to him in the afterlife was interesting though, and I thought they didn't quite reach all the potential they could have with that.
Still love the Runaways though. Just make a Netflix series already, Marvel.
>>82715590
It lasted six years and outlived the imprint it was originally published under.
>>82715707
Truth be told I think that Vaughn had an idea but it fell flat..and that;s that.
>>82715736
mmm with the current lack of diveristy in media with YA (yeah Runaways would be considered Pre-YA craze) i don't think its a good idea.
>>82696400
Remember when they were getting a movie? Pepperidge /co/ remembers.
Seriously, I wonder why they dropped them? They could do pretty well in a Netflix show or something, they don't need their own show maybe just cameo in another.
Was Molly mentally challenged? She was 12; acted like she was 6
>>82715823
I remember when The Judas Contract was getting a movie
>>82716126
not touching that
You know, I remember WAY back in the day there was a thread for a Marvel universe that didn't do the whole timeline sliding thing. Where the world wasn't retconned constantly so that all the A-listers weren't always in their mid thirties or so (ie; Tony Stark was kidnapped during Vietnam) and the status quo basically got thrown out the window but the series still took place in present day or close to. And young heroes were actually allowed to grow up and weren't killed off every few years (ie; every single Young X-Men team). I think /co/ was still bitter about One More Day.
It was pretty fun. I think some ideas thrown around were Chase taking a job for Tony Stark in exchange for a safe haven for Molly and the other kids, and eventually becoming the Terry to Tony's Bruce. Nico becoming a candidate for Sorcerer Supreme going up against Wiccan from Young Avengers and some others. And Molly constantly dealing with the X-Men and BoM trying to recruit her and telling them both to fuck right off.
>>82716169
why not
I began reading it when I was 12, so it was pretty jarring
>>82715823
I seem to remember there were plans for a Runaways movie before Avengers broke all the records and Marvel became a legit movie studio. I guess plans changed and they decided to capitalize on the more well-known characters first.
>>82716238
>>82716169
>>82716126
That shit bothered me to no end. In the first volume Molly was constantly asking questions about puberty and making borderline racy remarks (for a 12-year old). And in one of the last comics she's literally getting tucked into bed and getting read a bedtime story.
Again, I blame the writers not knowing or caring about the characters.
>>82715508
>follow up writers
No, it turned to shit with the second volume. It wasn't even that great in the first volume. The intro/concept is great, the ending is great, the middle part (especially that dumb vampire story) was pretty mediocre.
>>82716308
Yeah, she said she had her period in vol 1
Though she still seemed too young
Trauma-induced regression?
>>82715736
Marvel TV is busy with AoS and the Marvel Street crew. Maybe after they finish whatever plans they have they'll start making more lighthearted stuff. Not that Runaways is that lighthearted.
>>82716412
No, it's because she was the funny kid so writers played it up until she became a complete parody of herself. Same thing happened with Karolina who was a generally angsty teenager and her lesbianism/crush on her best friend was part of that. Then other writers got to her and she just became DYKEDYKEDYKESOGAYSHELITERALLYSHITSRAINBOWSMEGADYKE.
>>82716308
Explains alot of problematic things...which is whyAlex's role is troubling:
>>82715707
>Dude honestly, it always felt like the team wasn't designed to last.
Why's that?
I liked how the OP have used this as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKsj345Jjw&feature=youtu.be&t=49s
>>82716494
I don't know if being half the mental age you should be is all that funny
Marvel dropped the ball on the blasian romance that is not stereotypical
>>82716521
Because the main conflict of the series is resolved by the end of Volume one.
After that the story is no longer about them running away from their corrupt parents, but just running away for no clearly defined reason other than "they didn't like their foster families".
They have no purpose for staying together other than staying together. Yeah, I'm all for the power of friendship and all that, but you can see it in the writing. In Vol 2 they say they want to help other runaway kids, the wrecking crew kid and Victor later, and that's it, it never gets brought up again. You can see it in their lack of a catchphrase, "Runaways!...Run away!". After that comes the Papa Wilder arc and we see the kids are afraid of growing up, especially Chase who turns 18 at the end of the arc. After all, that's not something they can run away from, they have to face it. That's a complicated fucking fear and it could have been relatable to the audience if they had had time to explore it. The story doesn't let them do that, since they caught up in Whedon's run which is just wacky time travel shenanigans and they get saddled with a character that's a little girl one of whose defining character traits is that she was a child bride. Thanks Whedon, I'm sure that'll make it so much easier to adapt the series.
>>82716584
Originally she was just a sheltered kid who intentionally acted younger as a defense mechanism.
>>82715817
Alex aside it's still got a lesbian, a fat chick, and an Asian chick. Adding in later stuff nets you a Latino and an ambiguously brown guy/girl.
this is mostly dumb. made two decent points though:
-it's stupid that Alex's parents were street-level thugs in the 80s -- even if race weren't a factor, it doesn't really fit with their characterization in the present day at all, and the discrepancy isn't addressed well enough to make it seem fun or even intentional
-for a series that's otherwise very self-aware, it's pretty lame/cliché that the black guy in the main cast dies first
whatever your politics are, i feel like these are genuinely kind of weak from a narrative standpoint
>>82716984
the fact that they kept killing the leader/character who pushes the other characters didn't help either.
The Alex twist was great but WHAT THEN? Gert was the one who lit a fire under the team's ass and I straight up don't think they recovered from her death.
>>82704323
She's a goth.
She was wearing makeup Jesus.
>>82717028
>it's stupid that Alex's parents were street-level thugs in the 80s -- even if race weren't a factor, it doesn't really fit with their characterization in the present day at all
What about it doesn't make sense? They start out as street level thugs, work their way and clean themselves up (at least superficially) in the process. That shit happens all the time, Jay-Z was a drug dealer when he was a kid.
>>82717065
nah Brian wanted to keep the readership and jumped the shark
>>82716984
Whedon's time-travel arc touched on some of those things but never provided a payoff. Klara could have provided some amazing contrast to the rest of the group what with her coming from a time period where the concept of adolescence didn't really exist and her having the mentality of an adult filtered through the underdeveloped brain of a 12 year old.
>>82717028
Alex's supervillain criminal parents starting at the bottom of the criminal hierarchy doesn't make sense?
And Alex died because he was a villain and Vaughan loves breaking toys he plays with.
>>82717139
question: what it be different if the Wilders was doing a high level score similar fashion like Danny Ocean. It would be in pair with the inventor, wizard and a space alien
>>82717209
why not mid-tier?
and Vaughan breaking his toys is what kinda cause the breakdown of the story
>>82717139
>>82717209
i guess it's not the 'street-level' part of it that bothers me as much as the 'thug' part, since they always seemed more like the brains than the muscle to me -- like, even when they were starting out, it felt they'd probably be planning hits and stuff behind the scenes rather than robbing people at knifepoint or whatever
>>82717158
The last Runaways thing I read was Secret Invasion and in that Klara was all "Nope Nope fuck this I wanna go back".
Does the stuff after touch on any of that? I hear it's all shit.
>>82717277
They're Kingpin-esque criminals.
>>82717315
They came off as Bonny and Clyde to me in the flashbacks, weren't they literally just tearing through LA when the Giants nabbed them? Plus their arguably the most impressive of the Pride, considering they conquered their portion of LA without magic or alien tech or super science.
Ok what if Alex wasn't the bad guy and didn't die how would the series pan out?
>>82717394
>Plus their arguably the most impressive of the Pride, considering they conquered their portion of LA without magic or alien tech or super science.
definitely true; it just feels unearned because there's no real exploration into how their rise actually happened
>>82717315
You gotta start somewhere. Al Capone and Lucky Luciano both started out in street gangs.
>>82717475
imo it would have been better if alex was still the bad guy, but managed to set somebody else up to get beefed in his place as a red herring
that way you could string the 'main' story out longer and have alex's death feel more deserved when it actually happened
>>82717572
And honestly, I feel like his death is necessary for the Redemption arc that we never got.
>>82717591
Redemption arc?
>>82717510
Same way any organized crime syndicate rises? You also forget that everyone in the Pride were small-time before the Gibborim brought them together.
>>82717618
The whole "Molly's talking to Alex's ghost" we got hints that he was trying to make up for betraying them, but we never really got a pay off.
>>82717637
Alien Invaiders, time travlers, Wizards...not small time
SJW killed Runaways: The Movie pure and simple......
They announced it was on tap as one of the comic properties to be made into a movie in phase three of the MCU around the time that phase one was midway through.
Everyone was excited until shit got leaked that they were going to make Nico white as part of the film version.
SJW fags shat their britches and started throwing a screaming tantrum about Nico being whitewashed and their screaming fit backfired and Runaways was dropped from the list of properties Disney was looking to adapt as movies/TV
>>82717706
if she was made white...then it would worst.
>>82717706
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKsj345Jjw&feature=youtu.be&t=49s
>>82717676
None of them were anything important before they were summoned.
>>82713909
Dude, it's foreshadowing his secrets and deceptions.
>>82714436
I'd rather they ignore EVERYTHING to do with that shit series.
>>82716984
>>82717158
>Child bride
Ah yes, how charming.
Whatever happened to her?
Also, you really think that's the reason it hasn't been made? She wasn't even introduced until much later in the series.
>>82719522
what forshadowing was that?
>>82719539
you don't like it? why
>>82702749
I'm actually preplexed at her protective relationship towards singularity within an A-Force context. Its like she's two timing the runaways with her second family.
>>82714436
See, but even Arena did not do what this series did. Nico and Chase were a package deal and she was in stress *because* she was being kept away from them.
For all its shitty sins, it even shows her going to bat hard for chase, which is her thing. She choses pain for power. She sacrifices comfort for strength and strength for family.
What has A-Force got? Magic makeovers (literally) and team together just cuz space daughterfu forced them to.
>>82717315
I just thought of them as "black kingpins"
Yeah a blasian couple at the time of it release would be revolutionary had they not threw the black guy under the bus
>>82723703
. . . Foreshadowing that he was hiding things from the others and being generally duplicitous.
As well as his motivations FOR his turn to 'evil'.
>>82724350
can anyone point to the clues that points to that
jesus christ, some of you must be trolling
Do any of you REALLY think it is "racist" for a black man to be a villain? Are you just fishing for replies?
>>82723713
I could go on for HOURS on how bad that series is. Dennis Hopeless has all the negative traits of Brain Michael Bendis and Dan Slott without any of the qualities that allowed them to rise to prominence.
The deaths were terrible, the characters had little to no agency, and his understanding of both the characters and genre he worked with was minimal to non-existant.
Just to get started. There's more reasons.
I mean, there's errors in Arena and Undercover that put it near the ballpark of shit like Countdown.
And like Countdown, it's as cavalier with death to the point where it loses all impact.
>>82724056
>Nico should always be with runaways no matter the circumstances
>and the runaways aren't around Nico should be asking where the other runaways are
Anon you know they have been split apart since before A-force right?
>>82724248
Blasian couples really have a bad track record at Marvel.
Thanks, Hopeless.
>>82724404
Motherfucker, I listed two already! Do you need to be spoonfed?
>>82724535
Sort of. Only some comments in Avenger A.I. hint at that, and then they're shown together in Avengers Undercover (for all the afoul of that series, it was a good point).
And nothing she's done in A-Force cements her position away from them as anything more than "Hey, I have a 'job'".
>>82724613
It's not like she has had a chance to get focus it is only the second arc. First one was getting the team together and this one probably going to be more about Dazzler than anything.
>>82724683
And now she's mind controlled, and next is Civil War.
The best I hope for is her making a call to the rest and getting updates/giving updates to the rest.
>>82724460
did you read his blog in question?
>>82724808
no, im at work and just contributing some low-effort shitposting to fuel the fire
>>82724883
the fire rises
>>82724808
>>82724901
I read it and this part is complete SJW bullshit:
>Also keep in mind the current social climate of the real world. Remember art like anything else is powerful and can affect people.
The outside world should never dictate what a work of art can or can't do. I will never let politics warp my creations to "better fit" a social climate of current day
>>82725059
So what would you say if someone..let's say..had all the white people as villains in their story?
>>82725059
https://youtu.be/4jKsj345Jjw?t=52s
>>82724495
I'd say the easiest example of how bad Arena/Hopeless is would be Red Raven's death. She flies up, hits the "ceiling", then falls and breaks her neck and that's it. No lines, just happens right at the start of issue 2.
A smarter writer would've had her fall but become injured and not dying. This then sets up a story for her throughout the series where she has to deal with her injury, the gradual feeling that she's a burden on those around her and whether that sinks her into a more useless depression or if it causes her to act more boldly/recklessly to try and prove her worth leading up to her eventual death.
And that's off the top of my head. Hopeless couldn't even do that because we REALLY needed his awesome Braddock Academy OCs and his super cool self-insert Ginger Axe instead.
>>82724536
My top fetish coupling got killed twice.
Blasian couples are suffering.
