ITT: The best Bat-villains that everyone ignores
>>82683573
I love him. Too bad people keep treating him as a complete joke.
>>82683573
Prometheus.
The dude is using Martian tech with access to the phantom zone. He's taking out the Justice League single handly before and yet...
He's never really given any love. They showed him a little in Arkham Aslyum though.
>>82683573
I hope he is going to be in the Lego Batman movie
>>82685651
I doubt it.
The villains in the trailer will only be cameos and the main villain will be The Joker. Just watch.
>>82685605
He pulled the greatest ruse on Midnighter
>>82685669
Oh yeah, I meant a cameo. I don't expect Killer Moth to be anything else at this point
>>82685565
This.
>lel Killer Moth he's so funny! Batman beats him all the time, unlike all Batman's other villains!
>>82685721
>LOL he's whipped! That's so funny! He's funny because he sucks! That's why we always write him as sucking!
>>82685721
And he had a pretty good track record against Batman. AND his 'evil Batman for mobsters' gimmick was great.
>>82685764
>AND his 'evil Batman for mobsters' gimmick was great.
This. There are other evil Batmen, but Killer Moth is the one who is an actual Batman hunter. He made it his mission to oppose Batman. That is cool as hell.
You know, I always had the idea that while Batman hides in the shadows, it would be really cool if Moth fought under blinding spotlights or something. It fits his theme and it takes Batman out of his element.
>And he had a pretty good track record against Batman.
When you compare how many times Moth has been beaten by Batman to how many times Joker has, doesn't that make Joker out to be a huge chump comparatively?
The Fury is pretty good.
Killer Moth is hands-down the best "evil version of batman" type character.
>>82683573
From just reading this thread has given me the idea of how id work him into a movie, anyone care to know?
>>82686242
Scarface gets a lot of love, actually. And that's a good thing. He's definitely one of the most fun Batman villains.
Fuck the N52 version though
>>82686311
Absolutely.
>>82686311
Ye m8 tell us
>>82683573
Mad Hatter could be great, but writers don't want to do a lot with him. He's also in that twilight zone where he's not famous enough to get used when only the main villains get the spotlight, but he's not obscure enough to get use that some of the C or D-listers do.
>>82686056
>it would be really cool if Moth fought under blinding spotlights or something.
It sounds good on paper, but isn't Batman really good at taking out the lights? Just a batarang each will do.
>>82686268
Wrath was great, too. Wrath, in fact, was such a good evil Batman that they had to kill him.
>>82686056
That's a really good idea. Actually, my problem is not with him being comedic. I mean, dude dresses like a moth. The problem is, that it somehow means he can't be thread at the same time. Yeah, only a select group of writers can pull comedic, but threatening villain (Mysterio suffers from this so much), but nobody even tries.
>>82686370
I havent seen him alot, lately. I hope he gets more recognition soon, maybe in gotham, or a movie?
So my idea is that killer moth hate batman because when he was a kid, he was the isolated social reject, who was always mocked and picked on by the other kids at school, his only outlet were bugs. He particulalrly liked moths, and loved the colony he nutured and feed up in his attic. One day, after getting home from school, he goes up into his attic to find all his moths have been eaten by a bat that has taken up residance in the attic. Enraged, he grabs the bat and bites its head off, before falling to the floor crying with blood from the bats head he devoured still flowing from his mouth. Fast foward a few years, hes now acurator at the gotham zoo insect department. He funds out about batman, which sends him into a PTSD style flashback. He quits his job and becomes a reclusse, learninrgg everything about batman. His tactics, his gear, his moves, everything. He trains in mutiple martial arts, conducts a strict training regitment, and uses his technical skills to make a web gun and moth mobile from his rusted car in his garage. His out fut is alot like the conics, the same color scheme even, only grundgier and with dirt and webs splatterd evetywhere, and the color culled and not as bright. He also gets facial surgery to make skin protrusions on his face to look like insect mandibles. Twelve months pass, and he finally attacks batman by sticking the batmobile in webbing in an alleyway, while kicking his ass. Cont
>>82686471
checkmate, bamham
>>82686524
bat cage repellent anon
>>82686557
You played any Arkham games? Chain link fences are impenetrable by any technology known to man.
>>82686591
Man, Batman would be fucked in medival times.
I feel joker is ignored severely.
>>82686512
Take the idea from Teen Titans that Killer Moth is a dad. Give him a young daughter and explain that she designed the costume. And he wears it, looking like a giant goofball, to make her happy. Just because he's a supervillain doesn't mean he can't be an awesome dad.
>>82686517
Sorry about the spelling errors, mobile keyboards are a bitch
So he uses some cameras placed at vantage points to film him kicking batmans ass, and shows it off to various criminials, offering his services to fight off the bat for them(this could be a great scene to have cameos of other bat villians watching the videos), he eventually gets hired by scarface, and being the weird mothman that he is, is compelled to eat the stuffed ventriloquist doll(i want to add some bizzare humor in batman films), resulting in him getting fired upon by scarface and his men while also gaining some notoriety for avoiding capture from one of the most dangerous mob bosses in gotham. He eventually gets hired by the great white shark, who wants him as his personal bodyguard at a drug pickup that he most certainly knows batman knows about, but is such a sweet deal he doesnt want to decline. The drugdeal goes down and nothing happens it seems, that is however until after they get back to the great white sharks compound it is discoverd that batman stowed away in one of the crates of drugs. cont
>>82686557
Moth Bat Cage Repellent Repellent
>>82686739
In the fight batman unmasks killer moth, somewhat taken aback by his insect apperance, and killer moth explains his origins to batman(the entire film up to this point was about batman trying to find out who exactly killer moth was and his motives, as well as dealing with the fact that there is a guy out there devouting himself as a batman hunter). He calls him mad for claiming that batman is somehow responsible for his moths deaths, and offers him psychiactruc help at arkham. Laughing manically, killer moth reveals his last body motification trick, an acid squirter located underneath his tounge, which almost takes out batman. He flys away on his jetpack, but not before he discovers that some of the acid had gotten onto the fuel line of his jetpack, causing it to explode. Batman later apprehends white in a extended fight sequence, and the ambiguity about moths death is left open by the end of the film, when it is mentioned that some of his gear was found but not his body.
>>82686436
Problem with mad hatter in my eyes is that he's just so fucking tragic. Not in the "they forced me into this" sort of tragic, but that he's legitimately off his rocker and doing anything to punish him for his misdeeds feels wrong. Sure, it depends on the writer, but generally the hatter I see is usually so insane that he doesn't understand why what he's doing is so bad. If you beat up on him you just invite more jokes about batman beating up the mentally ill.
>>82686517
Change hearing about batman as an adult to him being witness to batman breaking into the zoo to stop the joker, whos riding a mad elephant he infected with joker gas. Im sure by this time he knows who batman is and hates him(this is at a time where batman as long been into his carrer as the caped crusader), but never equated him to being the bane of his exsistance and the murderer of his childhood friends until he charges at him and scares the living daylights out of killer moth, makig him shit his pants in both fer and rage.
>>82686746
Frog repellent bat-spray
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>>82686436
Mad Hatter is good, but every once in a while a writer decides he should be a pedophile because that's "creepy," and then nobody can use him without people getting mad.
I like Hatter when he's a guy who uses his mind control because he can't handle reality. When he's too unhinged he's just tragic, like >>82686992 said. The BTAS one was best- he's just a weird depressed person who just happens to have incredible power.
I also love the Wonderland gang and wish they'd get used more. Making them some kind of major player in the Gotham underworld could be a ton of fun
>>82687332
>but every once in a while a writer decides he should be a pedophile because that's "creepy," and then nobody can use him without people getting mad.
What, explain?
>>82687369
Like, you know how people don't use Doctor Light anymore because somebody wrote a rape story with him and now they think he's "tainted?" Or how Toyman can't shake the stigma of being a pedoohile now and he's just the "creepy fat guy" most of the time? It's like that.
Characters get held to the same standard as real people for some reason, as if they had any kind of agency
>>82687369
Morrison back in A Serious House on Serious Earth had him as a pedophile and it's something that occasionally comes up depending on writer.
>>82687332
>he's just a weird depressed person who just happens to have incredible power.
Simone used that characterization pretty heavily.
>>82687332
Speaking of innocent villains, I liked Beware the Batman's Humpty Dumpty. He was a giant manchild who got pulled in way over his head and blamed the real world for disturbing his peace. He's got a whole "fragility" aspect to his character that I really like.
>>82687408
Yeah, say what you will about Simone as a person but she does really good work.
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>>82683573
He even don't appear in Gotham Academy
>>82683573
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>>82687447
Probably because he's not a Batman villain.
>>82687443
Simone's Mad Hatter is a very dark take on the BTAS Mad Hatter combined with the hat obsession of the second Mad Hatter.
>>82687476
I know, but he fit in Gotham Academy
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>>82685721
he was pretty cool on TeenTitans imo
>>82687813
I like him onteen titans go
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>>82685538
By far my favorite Clayface. It's a shame that he has become more or less forgotten.
>>82687869
i want to fuck lady clayface
>>82686746
Well. Played.
>>82687889
Preston Payne aka Clayface III actually did fuck that. They have a child together.
>>82687910
Cassius Clay
Not even kidding.
>>82687910
a match made in heaven
>>82687925
Just imagine how crazy their sex life must be.
>>82687920
It's sad that you have to say that. Calendar Man is cool as fuck.
>>82687955
Like the sex scene from Lawnmower Man without the brain damage
>>82687975
I think Calendar Man has the potential to be a really cool villain. His gimmick would make him pretty versatile, there's just a lot you could do with him story-wise. But alas, he's stuck with being a joke character, just like Killer Moth.
>>82686196
Firebug had a video game appearance before Firefly.
EAT IT, FIREFLY FANS
>>82686436
Has Pyg replaced Hatter? Pyg, like Hatter, is a hopelessly insane lunatic that fucks with peoples brains, but he's even creepier at it.
>>82688210
Nobody uses Pyg except when they want to ride Morrison's coattails, and they don't even use him right.
>>82688333
I keep hoping a writer does something with his Leviathan and secret agent background but it never comes up. Tis a shame.
>>82688388
What if....
Pyg was Bill Wilson?
>>82687920
>unused in Origins which is a Christmas game, and this is after two games show you his creepy prison cells to hype him up as a serious danger
>is used as a weird fourth wall breaking joke character in the comics
Unforgivable.
>>82685671
I don't think I've ever laughed at a reveal that much, Midnighter actually made me like Prometheus.
>>82687920
He'll be in Batman Rebirth and apparently King's giving him some cool story.
>>82687869
Don't worry, since Alan Moore wrote a story about him, he'll probably get brought back by some Moore fan.
>>82688495
thats what he good for
>>82683573
He could be DC mysterio until a kid behead him like infidel thanks to morison
>>82688388
>something with his Leviathan and secret agent background
What? Leviathian such as a serpent or a lovecraftian horror? Pygs a secret agent?
Pic related is Batman's first supervillain and first mad scientist he fought that really underused
>>82683573
whats the difference between this guy and firefly?
>>82688503
That's rad.
>>82687920
What I like about Calendar Man is that he's this Momento Mori type character; he's always reminding people of the passing of time and how it affects them. He'd also cool as a chessmaster type who sets up all these date coordinated plots.
Like, imagine if in 40 years it turned out Day had set up some kind of deathtrap, and Future Batman had to solve a case long after the perpetrator was dead?
>>82688605
Leviathan was Talia's terrorist organization.
>>82688605
Grant Morrison had a long run on Batman. You should read it. It's great.
Mad Monk and Dala
>>82688640
I liked Doctor Death's part in Zero Year. Did you?
Killer Croc. glad they're using him for Skwad, but Skwad still looks like shit.
and i don't really like his design in Skwad at that.
>>82688690
turning him and scarecrow into literal monster are no-no
>>82688702
>not muh lizard
>>82688684
batman fight vamps all the time
>>82688702
SKWAD looks good but yeah, I wish they'd do something with him.
Croc gets so little characterization beyond being just a dumb monster. BTAS just made him kind of a dick instead of giving him any kind of development, and Beware the Batman made him Bayou Bane.
>>82683573
I just want Absence back.
>>82688424
You're a Pyg guy
>>82688593
>Ten years after his supposed execution, Kaliban, in the costumed guise of The Spook, offered "escape insurance" policies to criminals for a price. The Spook guaranteed that he would free any of his policy holders who were imprisoned. The shrouded rogue first reappeared in a puff of smoke inside the jail cell of "Big Turk" Ramis, "four-time loser and one-time syndicate boss". Despite being imprisoned in an escape-proof new maximum security penitentiary, Ramis was assured by the Spook that he could be freed easily. Because Big Turk had refused to accept the hood's "introductory offer," his "'escape-insurance' policy will cost you double!". Within minutes, Ramis' cell was empty, save for a Spook doll atop his bunk.
that is the coolest thing. Things like industries revolving around supervillainy are entirely my shit.
>>82688496
What was the reveal?
>>82688666
>Like, imagine if in 40 years it turned out Day had set up some kind of deathtrap, and Future Batman had to solve a case long after the perpetrator was dead?
I dig that premise. See, that's what I meant when I said you could do a lot of different stuff with Calendar Man.
>>82688748
Killer Croc is arguably one of the few characters that benefitted greatly from the New 52. They turned him from a mindless, violent brute into a layered, intelligent anti-hero.
>>82688666
>Like, imagine if in 40 years it turned out Day had set up some kind of deathtrap, and Future Batman had to solve a case long after the perpetrator was dead?
Remind me of batman 700 but with joker
>>82688718
>>82688702
>>82688724
>not liking monster villians
Kill yourselves.
>>82688868
>liking dumb monster
so you can relate?
>>82688868
Boneitis Man's visual gimmick went from shocking to unintentionally funny once he got trapped by his own antlers.
>>82688868
>doc death
jesus christ
>>82688862
Do you have any recommended N52 Croc reading? I'd love to see a good story with him
>>82688986
His Villains Month oneshot was quite good (I could storytime it if you want). Also, Batman Eternal.
>>82688807He seduced Midnighter and was his boyfriend for some time just to get close to him. When he actually revealed himself, it was just plain unexpected, took me absolutely by surprise. Guy took it up the ass just to kill an anti-hero.
>>82689015
Go for it
>>82688862
He's the one who saved Roy when he got kicked out by Ollie, right?
>>82689058
Haha, wow. That certainly takes some dedication.
>>82689015
do it
>>82689059
Alright. Here we go.
>>82689092
>>82689077
Yes, exactly. AFAIK, that was Croc's very first appearance in the New 52 and it kind of set the tone the character would have from then on.
>>82689119
A lot of people seem to not know this, but Croc is indeed a black guy.
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>>82689015
I forgot to mention Batman Earth One Vol 2. While it isn't DC's main continuity, this version of Croc is also rather benign.
Also also, for a smart but villainous Killer Croc, check out his appearances in Beware the Batman.
>>82689201
>>82689217
>>82689201
I liked Beware the Batman's Croc a lot. It was cool to see him as someone Batman was legitimately afraid of
I mean, he was basically Bane, but it was still cool
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>>82689229
robin's a fucking dick
>>82689263
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>>82689267
Literally, since his name is Dick.
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>>82689340
I really like this.
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>>82689367
Glad to hear!
>>82689359
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>>82689383
Damn.
Killer Croc is awesome.
>>82689383
And that's all, folks.
>>82689092
>>82689392
If Batman creates his villains, how did he create Killer Croc?
>>82689392
Good read, anon. Know anything about what this Tim Seeley is writing now? Is Grayson still going?
>>82689431
He created Robin, and Robin was a frickin' asshole to croc, driving him to become more brutal, and less of a normal criminal. But note, he was already a Criminal. Gotham creates Batman's villains, because it's a cesspit.
>>82688495
>>unused in Origins which is a Christmas game, and this is after two games show you his creepy prison cells to hype him up as a serious danger
Come to think of it, he really should've been in that game actually.
>>82689437
He's currently writing a really great arc in Suicide Squad and will be writing Nightwing come Rebirth.
>>82689501
why? never play origin
>>82689501
Actually, he was in that game, although it was basically just a cameo.
>>82685733
Teen Titans Killer Moth had a top-tier costume. I still prefer his stripy purple getup, though.
>>82689392
Damn, son.
>>82689703
Yeah I like that costume, but what bothered me was that they just ran with the "moth" thing. Like raising moth monsters and things.
He was like a weird hybrid of whatever he was after Underworld Unleashed and and some super science villain, but didn't really have anything to do with Killer Moth.
>>82688640
I liked the Doctor Death in Sandman Mystery Theater.
>>82689703
Lower part of the costume should be redesigned. It's so out of place with purple top. But I really like the mask. I kinda wish they ame back to his first few appearances, when he went full on Evil Batman. Moth signal is so great. Also, as a joke, they can give him a sidekick.
Man, he has so much potential.
>>82689945
>not liking Moth's tights
you belong in prison
>>82688754
What happens if I stick my dick in there?
>>82689501
He was, in the begining. They were gonna execute him but then Black Mask and his gang showed up to kil Loeb iirc
>>82690118
she gets mind fucked
>>82685565
>acting like he wasn't before his monster form
Let's be real here. That's not to say he hasn't had some fun reads, but he was Batgirls first baddy for fucks sake.
Anyone remember the adventure with Booster Gold where Killer Moth is accidentally competent due to time travel fuckery and becomes king of gotham?
>>82690223
oh you
>>82685669
When is it ever not the Jokers fault anymore?
>>82686636
Who? That fag that dresses like a clown? I don't know how we're supposed to take him seriously
>>82687408
>Morrison back in A Serious House on Serious Earth had him as a pedophile and it's something that occasionally comes up depending on writer.
Yeah, Robin: Year One by Chuck Dixon had Hatter kidnapping little girls and selling them into sex slavery.
>OH THE POOR MISUNDERSTOOD SOUL HE JUST WANTS A FRIIIEEEND!
>>82687910
>They have a child together
Non canon.
>>82689460
dude, someone should make a TV show or something about that...
>>82691182
Well it was canon until Flashpoint.
>>82690858
me either
>>82686524
>bamham
Are you retarted?
>>82691608
>he doesn't know who bamham is
>>82689140
Surprising. You'd think a name like Waylon Jones would tip them off.
>>82692037
I think for most people, they don't even think of the races of characters that don't really look human. You look at Killer Croc and you don't see a black guy with a weird skin condition, you just see a big croc.
>>82691608
Bam Ham City was pretty well recieved
>>82687451
Not catwoman was mediocre she is just Catwoman
>>82687443
On the other hand was a gorgeous villain. Pig and Toad were pretty nice too.
>>82688724
To be fair Suicide Squad Croc looks like a guy with skin cancer. Not a lizard but they could have certainly done better
>>82693317
lost my shit
>>82685538
Whatever happened to his and Lady Clayface's Claybaby? Last I recall, it was in the hands of the gubmint thanks to the half-assed crimefighting of AzBats. It feels like that's a loose thread that'd actually be worth revisiting nowadays. Imagine Grayson trying to rescue a young Clayface from a top secret facility where they're indoctrinating it into becoming an assassin for "the greater good". You could do some interesting comparison/contrast with Dick's own childhood.
I think Doodlebug could make a good Batman '66 villain. A villain who does graffiti sounds like it could be a fun plot.
>>82695380
I think they just disappeared
>>82689174
dat Cassie Hack cameo
>>82687332
Hatter's like ten times better with interesting henchmen.
As a matter of fact I miss henchmen in general, no one uses colorful ones anymore.
>>82689140
I think its because they used a white guy voice for him in TAS.
>>82695593
I feel like Doodlebug'd almost fit in a Question or Green Arrow gallery better, but I love the concept.
Also Great White Shark needs more love, what a fucking great origin.
>>82696585
Does Q even have a rogues gallery, though?
>>82687443
Yeah, same here. Humpty and Magpie felt like classic Batman villains and I would've liked to have seen more of them.
>>82696688
I...don't know. Probably not. I mean you could make one up easily enough but that'd involve Q getting solo stories.
>>82696474
Agreed.
Harley's the only recurring henchman we have nowadays, and she's...different. I miss Raven, Jay, Lark, Echo, and Query.
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>>82696723
Let The Question and The Absence hang out for a while.
>>82696713
Everybody shat on BtB for not using the classic rouges but I think that using new villains is what made it memorable.
I'd love to see a new show or comic with everybody in this thread and none of the regulars.
>>82696688
Isn't that The Question of the day?
>>82697226
Yeah, I liked the approach of using mostly obscure rogues with a some usual suspects for the big storylines like Ra's, Deathstroke, and Dent.
I would've liked more obscure rogues in season two like KGBeast, Ratcatcher, and Payne Clayface, along with the ones that were teased like Two-Face and Penguin.
>>82697499
Agreed. It was cool how they used all the big villains as events, instead of just guys for Batman to foil every week.
I didn't like their Harvey but their Two-Face was one of the best.
>>82697169
Harley isn't even a henchman now.
>>82686436
[SPOILER]Dammit anon, post the next panel.[/spoiler]
>>82685733
I like him as a single dad though. It lets him still be humorously relatable without having him constantly lose at supervillainy. I love the idea that Killer Moth spends all the money he makes from his Batman-distraction racket on spoiling his daughter rotten to make up for all the years he spent in prison.
>>82686701
This.
>>82687889
That's kind of a muddy lay.
