What's /co/'s opinion Red Sonja?
Needs a cock, or not interested
If she is packing a 10" python, though... Id let her pound my boypussy
>>82663844
Boring, shallow, only liked by horny teenage boys and manchildren who are somehow allergic to porn.
Oh, and wearing a chainmail bikini is a good way to get raped, so she's a goddamned moron as well.
>>82663844
Gail Simone gave her a shitty soft reboot origin because her tumblrina feelings were triggered.
Other than that Sonja is pretty decent, not really any better or worse than other sword and sorcery books like Conan.
>>82663911
I'm pretty sure having an unfilled orifice is a good way to get raped in primeval times.
>>82663911
You must not have a soul uf you cant enjoy a hot chick killing monsters.
Also shes faster without armor same as conan
>>82663950
>You must not have a soul uf you cant enjoy a hot chick killing monsters.
Hot chicks killing monsters isn't special anymore.
>Also shes faster without armor same as conan
Yeah, she'll die faster from the cuts and stab wounds. Unless you're a speedster, speed isn't going to protect you in a sword fight.
>>82663947
Which is even more reason to wear proper clothing.
>>82663911
I'm a manchildren who likes Red Sonja and porn.
#REKT, what now, nigger?
>>82663844
An iconic character in a way few others match with several excellent stories over a bunch of decades of boring, cliche dreck.
She's basically the sword-and-sorcery equivalent of spiderman. Stupid origin people feel needs rehashing over and over, tonally inconsistent between writers, childhood rape as part of their backstory, hot redheads, costume that gets a fair amount of grief despite being iconic in a way few others are.
Arguably more identifiable as a character than the distinctly more popular Conan, since in his comics Conan almost never actually wears the loincloth look that Ahnold made an icon out of. Even people who don't actually know Red Sonja by name still have a vague cultural awareness of her.
If the thread's still up when I get home, I'll storytime some Sonja classics + Conan.
>>82664119
>speed isn't going to protect you in a sword fight
Oh, so you're dumb.
>>82664119
Thats not true speed lets you dodge easier and stroke befor your opponent all while your enemy is getting tired lugging around armor
>>82664672
And again, she's not a speedster, so she's getting hit eventually, which will result in her death.
>>82664590
No, you just have no ability to think since you're too busy drooling over tits. Which, by the way, is something a serious opponent in battle will never do. There is no such thing as a "distraction bonus".
>>82664672
>>82663950
So why she uses a stupid looking metal bikini instead of silk/fur/or other types of material? Metal will slowl her down and will not protect anything.
>>82664823
That little metal wont slow her down.
And agile fighting is totaly a thing qhy do you think armor got phased out
>>82664119
Get a load of this puritan fuck
>>82664823
>So why she uses a stupid looking metal bikini instead of silk/fur/or other types of material?
Do you seriously think a chainmail bikini of that size would slow you down at all?
>>82664875
Because guns became a thing, dumbass.
And even then, don't a bitch get cold? I fucking dare you to wear a bikini at all times and see how comfortable you feel. Have fun with the temperature, dirt in unfortunate places, and bug bits, dipshit.
>>82665005
A woman warrior wearing a chainmal bikini is as realistic as a woman warrior wearing any other type of clothes.
>>82663844
Never read it because I've never been a fan of S&S fantasy, just know of the parody character from Cerebus.
Really though, I'm an armorfag, I like seeing well designed armor, not a fan of scalemail bikini
>>82665150
Nice ignoring all the points, retard. You Red Sonja "fans" are delusional.
I like her and think she's cool.
>>82665005
Read a sonja book dumb ass when shes in the north she dresses up
>>82665245
I'm not a fan of her at all, but I'm also not autistic enough to not understand one of the earliest sword & sorcery character archetypes and why they are wearing light and sexy clothing.
Too white and problematic for /co/mblr.
>>82665291
And the vast majority of people dress up regardless of where they are.
>>82665336
They're wearing light and "sexy" clothing because fantasy writers tend to think with their dicks and don't really care much about interesting characters or good stories.
>>82663844
I love Berserk and i have been following this manga for years.
But it got toa point that I got bored. I pretty much stopped reading afther they defeat a dragon in the woods and Guts gots a magic armor and some happy party members.
Then once on /co/ some one story timed Red Sonja and got me hooked.
You cuold say RS gave me that fix I needed for fantasy medieval sword action.
Im not saying its better than Berserk but its fun to see what diferent whriters do with the charater an in in case of guts it pretty much is downhill IMHO.
>>82665443
So you're saying Red Sonja would suddenly be a better character in what exactly?
Armor fag here, actually worn armour here. You know armor is for WARFARE right?
You expect her to walk around in a thick scale Hauberk or plate armor all the fucking time? Or afford it?
Fact is OPs pic shows nothing unrealistic.
Shield > Armor when it comes to being a lightweight adventurer.
Also pretty sure Sonja is like Barbarian stronk and durable, so lack of clothing seems not to effect her at all.
>>82665443
A majority of people arent living in the hyborian age
>>82664823
Because it fits the tone of the series and character. Also hot as hell
>>82665572
>Shield > Armor when it comes to being a lightweight adventurer.
This.
People think in medieval times people walked around and went to war un full plate, and that's just not realistic
>>82665572
You really are just choosing to ignore the effects the environment has on the scantily clad, aren't you? Okay.
And frankly, she'd be a better character if she had a character beyond that weird shit about how she'll only fuck the guy who beats her in a fight. Maybe that's why she dresses like a whore, her whole goal is to get raped.
>>82665593
Which is, again, more fucking reason to wear proper clothing. How this bitch has died from all manner of hideous dirt age diseases is a mystery for the ages.
>>82665744
Also, forgot to say, yeah, Sonja only has that armor to please horny teenagers, not because muh speed
If that was the case she'd wear light armor and not a bikini
>>82665781
Or she's a heroic fighter in an age and setting of heroic fighters, who is deft and strong enough to tackle any man who comes her way.
You know, her character? She's a fictional ubermanch who cares not for paltry weather of minor scrapes.
Do you whine when superman's costume isn't torn apart by the speed he runs?
>>82665443
Male S&S characters get the same treatment. Would you have started whining and bitching if OP had posted a pic of Conan?
>>82665844
Pray tell, what is Light armor to you.
As said armorfag above, I'd love to hear your definition.
>>82664780
>And again, she's not a speedster, so she's getting hit eventually, which will result in her death.
I bet she won't; Wanna know why? Because this is a comic, you tool.
>>82665844
>Also, forgot to say, yeah, Sonja only has that armor to please horny teenagers
What's so inherently wrong with that though? Why are teenage boys not allowed to read comics pandering to their taste? Why is the creation of fiction aimed at teenage boys such a bad thing that needs to be stopped at all cost?
>>82663844
I like her, but she's not exactly one of my favorite characters.
>>82664119
>Which is even more reason to wear proper clothing.
Which will accomplish absolutely nothing.
Just admit you're a sex hating SJW and go back to tumblr.
Outfit of original basis for RS:
>It was a woman, dressed as von Kalmbach had not seen even the dandies of France dressed. She was tall, splendidly shaped, but lithe. From under a steel cap escaped rebellious tresses that rippled red gold in the sun over her compact shoulders. High boots of Cordovan leather came to her mid-thighs, which were cased in baggy breeches. She wore a shirt of fine Turkish mesh-mail tucked into her breeches. Her supple waist was confined by a flowing sash of green silk, into which were thrust a brace of pistols and a dagger, and from which depended a long Hungarian saber. Over all was carelessly thrown a scarlet cloak.
>>82665849
>heroic
Excuse me for preferring heroes to not dress like retarded hookers.
>You know, her character? She's a fictional ubermanch who cares not for paltry weather of minor scrapes.
So she's a bland power fantasy probably made by some idiot who's never even spoken to a woman before? Riveting.
>>82665861
Considering I don't give a single rusty fuck about dudes, no.
>>82666024
Just to clarify, is this where we are here?
>man-hating lesbian bitches that men have a sexuality
Because that's an argument no-one can resolve. And it's one that's much more down to the internal you than the external world.
>>82666024
Yeah... how dare Swords and Sorcery characters, supposed to envoke a primal and barbaric age where civilization is a rare luxury and cunning and brown rule the day not be dressed in full plate all the time.
Nakedness invokes confidence, of course a hero is a fucking power fantasy.
Swords and Sorcery is not for you anon, let it go.
>>82665882
A Gambeson, maybe paired with a brigandine or mail
The brigandine is lighter than the mail tho, so she'd probably use that
>>82665928
Never said it was wrong, what is wrong is trying to say shit like "but she wears a metal bikini because she needs to be fast and not because it's sexy!!!"
>>82666112
>man-hating lesbian
I'm actually a straight dude. I just don't give a shit about other dudes.
>>82666114
>civilization is a rare luxury
That doesn't stop people from wearing clothes.
>Nakedness invokes confidence
Nakedness invokes the image of a character who's too stupid to dress themselves properly. Incompetence is not empowering.
>of course a hero is a fucking power fantasy
A hero is a protagonist with a fleshed out personality and flaws which drive the story, while overcoming those flaws so they may ultimately succeed in their ostensibly positive goal. A hero is not a blank slate meathead that only exists to kill stuff.
Sword and Sorcery is fine genre that should not be tied down by shallowness.
we /cranky/ ITT
>>82666368
Seriously, tell me your examples of good Swords and Sorcery anon. I would love to hear this.
I mean you're factually wrong about literalluy everything there and come off as a shallow misinformed sociopath, but please, go on.
>>82663844
I've been reading some old, old Red Sonja.
Surprisingly good. A bit aged, but not bad overall.
>>82666463
Wanting characters to have actual personalities as opposed to being blank slates for delusional nerds to project themselves into makes me a sociopath? The hell?
The only /co/ related of S&S things I've read and liked are Amethyst(both series) and Warlord, but I'll definitely cite the Tortall books, Mistborn(even though I find them somewhat frustrating), and Slayers as good stuff.
>>82666678
>Amethyst
Not Swords and Sorcery, D&D style high fantasy.
>Warlord
You mean THIS Warlord?
>Tortall
D&D Style fantasy, right down to the fucking party mode.
>Mistborn
High Fantasy
>Slayer
Literally the creators D&D Game.
You have confused Fantasy settings with Swords and Sorcery. an Amateur mistake.
>>82666859
>You mean THIS Warlord?
What other Warlord would I be referring to?
Yeah, he's a dude and dresses like an idiot, but Travis makes up for the latter by being an actual character. A likable one at that.
>You have confused Fantasy settings with Swords and Sorcery.
Fair enough. I don't really see much difference since there's usually still magic and monsters, but whatever.
>>82666980
>Conan isn't a character
>Red Sonja isn't a character
>But winged helmet Conan IS a character
Come on son.
>I don't really see much difference since there's usually still magic and monsters, but whatever
Basket ball and Tennis both use a ball and are played on courts, ergo both are the same sport.
You've never actually read Conan have you?
>>82667044
Basket ball and Tennis both use a ball and are played on courts, ergo both are the same sport.
That's a horrible analogy and you should be embarrassed.
>>82667044
>>But winged helmet Conan IS a character
More of one than the other two at least.
>You've never actually read Conan have you?
Why would I read something that doesn't interest me? Honestly, I only read Warlord because a friend more or less asked me to.
>>82663844
>>82667216
Is it me or does that just look stupid?
If you want a female character who uses sexuality, go read Artesia?
Did anyone else here like Artesia?
>>82665928
Because it's Current Year.
>>82665928
>it needs to be stopped at all cost
>not it's just shit
>>82667642
And romance novels are shit, but you don't see guys rallying around to guilt women to stop reading them.
>>82666678
>Wanting characters to have actual personalities as opposed to being blank slates for delusional nerds to project themselves into makes me a sociopath? The hell?
You have admittedly never read RS, how do you know anything about her character and that she's just a blank slate? Kind of ironic how you are the one who is objectifying women here, isn't it? RS isn't just a pair of ass and tits in scalemail bikini as sexists like you want to make her out to be.
>>82666496
The old Marvel s'n's stuff is fucking stellar.
>>82667707
Romance novels don't polite people's expectation of all novels.
When people see this kind of low-effort pandering shit in the comic store it means that I can't read comics without begin a social freak.
>>82667642
Shit it may very well be, but it has an audience and we live in a free market capitalist society. How you perceive the quality of a product that is not aimed at you is utterly irrelevant to anyone.
>>82667734
>You have admittedly never read RS, how do you know anything about her character and that she's just a blank slate?
Because it's blatantly obvious. Even then, I'm not going to willingly read a story about a character who dresses like a whore, and who literally wants to be raped.
>RS isn't just a pair of ass and tits in scalemail bikini
Yes she is. You even said that's how S&S protagonists work. They ARE power fantasies, so the only use they have to serve as fodder for horny teens to jerk off to.
>>82667887
>you can't criticize this...
>it ISN'T FOR YOU!
>>82667859
>means that I can't read comics without begin a social freak.
That's entirely your problem. Maybe quit being so insecure.
>>82667927
Never said you can't criticize it, I just said your criticism is utterly worthless, especially considering you admittedly don't even care about the genre, nor do you ever plan on reading any story about RS, so you know nothing at all about her actual character apart from how she dresses.
>>82667707
>And romance novels are shit, but you don't see guys rallying around to guilt women to stop reading them.
They should. What self-respecting woman reads that trash?
>>82668038
It's not about insecurity, it's about an entire medium being tainted by lazy, disgusting bullshit.
>>82668038
>If your boss thinks less of you because of your hobbies then you just need more confiendce dude. That will totally keep it from affecting your carrear
I mean I understand, its not like anyone who ever reads this shit actually has a job or any friends, but some people who read comics DO have jobs and friends and when a majority of the hobby is made up of disgusting bullshit it makes the rest of us look bad.
>>82668116
Agreed.
>>82667859
>that I can't read comics without begin a social freak.
Here's a secret about life: no one actually cares if you read comics. They really don't, at best some comic fan or psuedo comic fan will try to spark some conversation with you, but that's about it.
>>82667913
I think you're mixing something up here. Power fantasies for boys and men would be male warriors like Conan. Red Sonya would be a female power fantasy. you don't jerk it to power fantasies, you self-insert as power fantasies. That's the whole point of a power fantasy
>>82668161
Spoken like someone who has given up on having a normal opposite-sex relationship.
>>82668198
>Spoken like someone who has given up on having a normal opposite-sex relationship.
I never know how to respond to shit like this, do I show picture of my wife and I, enjoying brunch or something. Whatever, I'm like 89% sure we all are just being baited anyway.
>>82668174
>Red Sonja
>female power fantasy
Ah, so you've never actually spoken to any woman ever. That explains a lot.
>>82668161
Your boss does, your relatives do, any prospective friends or lovers do... and they're gonna give you all kinds of hell for it.
>>82668116
>It's not about insecurity, it's about an entire medium being tainted by lazy, disgusting bullshit.
No, it's because you want the medium to be something that it never was. Comic books were MADE FOR children and horny teenagers. The artists who made deeper, more mature and intellectual stuff came much later and are far and few between.
>>82668270
I'm not saying she actually is one, you unbelievably dumb fucker, I said she would be if she actually were a power fantasy as you labeled her. Power fantasy = self insertion of the reader into a badass hero. Male readers usually don't self-insert into females, so if RS was a power fantasy, AS YOU YOURSELF CLAIM, she would have to be one for women readers.
>>82667859
>Romance novels don't polite people's expectation of all novels.
No, but they do pollute people's expectations of the romance genre.
>>82668292
>if I define something to be true then that means it is true.
>>82668338
well as soon as all of this degenerate bullshit pseudo-porn is a separate category from the comics that adults read, let me know.
>>82668116
>an entire medium
Oh, you're one of those types.
>>82668292
>Comic books were MADE FOR children and horny teenagers. The artists who made deeper, more mature and intellectual stuff came much later and are far and few between.
I like how you stated the problem, yet you're blind to it somehow.
>>82668322
>I'm not saying she actually is one
>>82668174
>Red Sonya would be a female power fantasy
Nice selective memory there, shitdick. And there's nothing whatsoever stopping someone from jerking it to power fantasy characters.
>>82668369
>I only read adult, mature things, that are serious and realistic
>Fantasy settings and characters are for manchildren
>Characters wearing non-standard clothing in unrealistic setting is pseudo porn
Here's a thought, having everything be the same is fucking boring. I don't like the majority of content produced on film or television, because I think its stupid, immature, and pandering bullshit.
But content diversity is good, because not everyone shares your tastes, you uptight piece of shit.
>>82664119
Are you seriously trying to apply RL swordplay logic to a character who was tutored by a war deity to be literally nigh untouchable by mortal skill at arms?
Is there something wrong with your brain?
>>82668447
>"There is nothing in-between serious mature storytelling and degenerate bullshit for manchildren."
You are why comics barely survive by the skin of their teeth, because companies have no choice but to rely on your ilk just to cover production costs.
>>82668447
>>Fantasy settings and characters are for manchildren
>>Characters wearing non-standard clothing in unrealistic setting is pseudo porn
Good try manchild. I never said anything about fantasy settings or characters. I'm talking about your degenerate pseudo-porn.
>>82667216
>totally just 'non standard clothing" guys. Totally not low effort mastubatory material at all.
>>82668152
>>If your boss thinks less of you because of your hobbies
Why the fuck is your boss involved in this? Are you so spineless that you can't shrug off a sideways glance your boss gives to your funny books? If your boss's opinion is lowered so much by you owning a comic with a scantily clad female on the cover, they didn't have a high opinion of you in the first place.
>>82668605
Because my boss is a 50 year old mormon?
You don't actually have a job do you?
Guys we're obviously being baited, lets just stop.
>>82668586
>>82668598
You're trying to police not only what others create, but what others enjoy. That hurts the bottom line more than anything. God forbid people make they want, and enjoy what they want, without people who don't read it calling it "degeneracy" like the consumers of "Content I don't like" are gays in the 60s.
The only people that think the existence of media they don't like hurts the genre are egomaniac assholes who can't comprehend that the world doesn't revolve around them and their opinions.
If you don't fucking like it, don't read it, like you always have.
>>82668567
>"It's fiction! It doesn't have to make sense!"
>"Fuck you, it's magic!"
You heard it here folks, stories don't have rules. You can just do whatever, and the audience can't complain.
>>82668630
I don't think that anon has ever interacted with other people outside of 4chan.
>Red Sonja isn't a character
>Conan isn't a character
>Warlord though that's gud
Jesus, what terrible ignorance. Has this guy even read anything by Howard? Something tells me this is a case of "only ever knew there was a cartoon."
>>82668722
>Stories don't have rules
Sure they do, the ones you set up in the story.
>>82668705
>You can't judge me or the media I consume!
>My low quality trash totally exists in a vacuum and doesn't negatively affect other people!
>>82668745
Wrong thread I think, friendo.
>>82668722
If magic and gods exist in your story, their presence is not breaking any rules, dumbass.
Sonja is a supernaturally good fighter.
I doubt you'd be complaining about Zorro being too good, or any Jedi. Or Batman.
I like her books. I just enjoy redheads and fantasy stuff, and I feel like fantasy comics are hard to come by. I enjoy Conan a lot too, but I tend to gravitate towards female characters so I prefer Red Sonja. I think on average Conan probably has better stories though.
Bryan Singer is rumored to be working on a Red Sonja television series, and there was a dude hired to write a movie script a year or two ago. Doesn't seem like the movies happening, but maybe it turned into this supposed tv series. Not a big Singer fan, but I'd love for a show to make Red Sonja popular again.
>>82668722
You sound like a huge sperg.
Do you get asshurt over giant robots and superpowers, too?
>>82668775
And according to you, the "rules" the story sets up are "Fuck you, it's magic.". And you people actually defend this shit. Honestly, what happened to standards?
>>82668705
>God forbid people make they want, and enjoy what they want, without people who don't read it calling it "degeneracy" like the consumers of "Content I don't like" are gays in the 60s.
That you have the utter gall to say this not only on 4chan, but on /co/, is so ironic that it kind of transcends comprehension.
Are you fucking serious right now?
>>82668915
>According to you
No according to another anon I agree with.
As "Fuck you, it's magic" can be a perfectly valid rule when you write magic in your story.
You know, like Conan. I'm starting to think you didn't even read Warlords now.
>>82668891
But there are tits. Tits! TITS!
T I T S
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THEY CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO PERSIST.
>>82668785
>I have no other argument aside from calling media "low quality trash"
Either make a point or fuck off.
>>82668915
Are you?
The fact that 4chan shits on everything is irrelevant to my opinion. But you can go ahead and explain how people creating and consuming media they enjoy is a bad thing anytime.
>>82668976
>magic exists in this setting so we can just make shit up however we want and can answer "lol magic" when there is a plot issue
>>82669015
>someone enjoys it therefore it isn't trash
>>82669058
>>someone enjoys it therefore it isn't trash
In other words:
>I still don't have an argument
>>82668976
>As "Fuck you, it's magic" can be a perfectly valid rule when you write magic in your story.
Actually, no, it's not. Magic has rules, and if you do not define these rules, it means the characters can just do whatever. This leads to all tension being instantly erased because the characters can just pull solutions directly out of their asses.
>I'm starting to think you didn't even read Warlords now.
Oh, I did. I didn't want to, but I did.
>>82669058
>Anything that is in any way outside the realm of reality is shit because plot points need to be explained 100% every time
Literal autism. Did you rage when Gandalf came back to life?
>In this world, there's magic! Dragons! Demons and goblins!
Oh wow! So fascinating!
>And chainmail bikinis are sufficient protection for battle
Wow, can't there be some fucking realism to this? God, how could I suspend my belief on this
>>82668915
>complaining about someone being supernaturally good at fighting in a fantasy story with actual gods and magic in it
I'm starting to think this must be some kind of joke.
Can you really not accept that the character is just an incredibly good fighter? This is a sword & sorcery story, not a pseudo-historical fantasy set in, I dunno, the Hundred Years War or some shit.
Wuxia films have their characters fighting without armor. Most high fantasy has rogueish sort of character running around in impractical 'leather armor' that's basically just a jacket, and would stop absolutely nothing. These stories are not about normal humans, they're about people living in a fantastical world with a fantastical level of skill (or, in some cases, luck).
>>82669093
>Oh, I did. I didn't want to, but I did.
So you don't like the swords and sorcery and magic we get it mr autismo.
>>82669093
I mean you are trying, but its just wasted effort.
These people will defend their pathetic fap-bait material just like all of those lonely fat women will defend their 50 shades of gray rape-fantasy shit.
You can't help someone who doesnt' want to be helped.
>>82669171
>The Character isn't in a burkha
>IT'S EVIL FAP-BAIT
Wow, you're sort of pathetic. It's just a woman in a bikini.
>>82669228
>me liking power-fantasies of booby ladies walking around in bikinis totally doesn't make me a child.
>mfw when most of this guy's complaints would make some of the greatest works of literature ever put to pen (or tablet) shit
Yeah, sure, dude. The Epic of Gilgamesh, the Iliad, the Odyssey, Volsunga Saga, the Kalevala... they're all shit, it's totally not that you don't understand how fiction works in the slightest or anything like that.
Being this autistic should be a bannable offense.
>>82668833
The pages you posted looked cool enough I went looking for the comic, and I've got to say, Sonja doesn't look brawny enough at all. I expected more mighty thews, you know?
>>82669123
>Can you really not accept that the character is just an incredibly good fighter?
No. Why? Because there's an overused term for a character who is just good at stuff with no justification.
>Wuxia films have their characters fighting without armor.
Yeah, and Wuxia films are fucking retarded too. All that flipping looks more like a bad dance number than fighting.
>>82669171
Eh. I gotta at least try, you know?
Is she like Conan?
Just asking because i love DH Conan, also story time where?
>>82669280
You also forgot Beowulf.
How can a man topple a giant the size of a longhouse, breath for 5 hours underwater and then kill another giant, then carry the giant's head up and then take 5 OTHER people to carry.
It's unrealistic.
>>82669123
>Most high fantasy has rogueish sort of character running around in impractical 'leather armor' that's basically just a jacket, and would stop absolutely nothing.
Ironically, running around bare skinned would be preferable at that point, since clothing can just cause infection of wounds.
>>82669280
>my booby lady power fantasy fap-bait is totally comparable to Iliad guys. Its not just low-quality porn.
>>82669299
But an actually musculature woman would be too gross for these manchildren.
>>82663844
The first time I ever rubbed one out was to her so Im pretty fond of her
>>82669310
>No. Why? Because there's an overused term for a character who is just good at stuff with no justification.
She has justification. She was tutored by a deity. Literally learned to fight gud from a god of fighting gud.
If you don't like that, that's merely a reflection on you rather than the fault of the narrative. It means you don't like the specific type of magic that turns up in mythology and folklore (Sonja learning to fight from a goddess called Scathatch being a direct reference to the being Scathatch in Irish mythology, who teaches Cu Chulainn how to fight).
If you like your stories without any fantastical elements, that's not really a problem with fantastical elements. It's entirely on you.
>>82669333
>>82669333
You're talking to 4chan. they love /fit/ girls.
>>82669410
>If you don't like that, that's merely a reflection on you rather than the fault of the narrative. It means you don't like the specific type of magic that turns up in mythology and folklore (Sonja learning to fight from a goddess called Scathatch being a direct reference to the being Scathatch in Irish mythology, who teaches Cu Chulainn how to fight
I wonder how he'll actually respond to this, seeing as it's literally pulled from mythology.
>>82669333
Man, you're a moron. I LIKE Red Sonja, and I want her to be more muscular. That would make he comic better-- not that it's bad, mind. I
I'm enjoying it. It's just an odd choice for the art direction. It's not like Sonja has never been drawn more muscular before.
>>82669333
The stuff you're complaining about is exactly the kind of stuff that turns up in the Iliad all the time.
I don't think I've ever read a Conan novel or comic as good as the Iliad, but if the specific things you're whining about are automatically bad, you're basically saying all mythology and folklore = shit. Which is retarded.
>>82669333
>Skadi is a hot Jotun woman who falls for a man and acts badass and heroic even when he becomes a monster and gets to be a god when some hero slays him by mistake
WOW FAP BAIT MYTHOLOGY
>>82669410
That's not a justification. What does this goddess care if some random mortal can fight?
Just because it's from mythology doesn't automatically make it good or acceptable. Set tried to rape Horus in an attempt to shame him in front of the other gods, but Horus caught the jiz and tricked him into eating it. Truly an epic that makes total sense.
I love it when someone who obviously isn't well-read in the slightest decides to set down stupid rules for fiction.
Go back to your Game of Thrones, or whatever is the du jour "guyssss so realisticcc and gritttyyy" brand of puerile shit your types love to wank over.
>>82669656
In most versions of Red Sonja's origin, Scathatch wants a mortal agent of some kind.
The Horus and Set story is actually more complex than that, and I'm not surprised that you only know the shortened version. Either way, it's just a funny story about Set being villainous that plays on a few common Egyptian insecurities of the time.
What you're proving isn't that any of this is bad. It's that you don't like magic and divine stuff as it appears in mythology and folklore. Which is fine, and, again, a reflection on you, not on the material you're attempting to critique.
>>82669313
When titty monster-chan gets home from work.
>>82669774
>In most versions of Red Sonja's origin, Scathatch wants a mortal agent of some kind.
Why? What interests does she have on the mortal plane? Although, here I am pretending to care. Gods and their dumb plans are never interesting anyway.
>>82669661
It's not about realism, dumbass. It's about making sense. A so-called hero who dresses like a whore while being supernaturally good at fighting does not make sense.
>>82669896
>Why? What interests does she have on the mortal plane?
Depends on the version of the character, though it's generally something that makes the whole arrangement something of a Fustian bargain.
>Gods and their dumb plans are never interesting anyway.
...For you. They're not interesting for you. Which, I'm afraid, is simply opinions.jpg.
>A so-called hero who dresses like a whore while being supernaturally good at fighting does not make sense.
Why? Most people in the Hyborean stories don't dress in the manner we do. It's not like she looks out-of-place in the setting.
And why does being very good at fighting, and therefore winning fights, not make sense?
Again, does Zorro make sense? Batman? The Raid? Are they logical by your standards? You sound like you're either a huge hypocrite, or searching for some holy grail of realistic fictional combat that doesn't actually exist in fiction.
You say you're just looking for stuff making sense, but it really does seem like you're after "grrr realizzzmmm" fiction.
>>82669896
Is Conan a whore because he wears less clothing than Red Sonja?
Also, it's a different culture, so the standards for "dressing like a whore" are completely different. Women in Polynesia and Africa walk around bare-breasted because it's normal in their culture.
>>82663916
Simone's run was fine, though.
>>82663911
>muh realistic armor
>>82670197
>Simone's run was fine, though.
>>82670228
Then extol the flaws of it. Reasons beside Gail Simone being the writer.
>>82663911
im pretty sure thats scale-mail.
>>82670139
>Why? Most people in the Hyborean stories don't dress in the manner we do. It's not like she looks out-of-place in the setting.
There's a reason nobody dresses like that anymore, because it makes you look like a horse's ass.
>Again, does Zorro make sense? Batman? The Raid? Are they logical by your standards?
Not really, no. They're just somehow better than everyone at everything. That's bad writing.
>>82670145
>Is Conan a whore because he wears less clothing than Red Sonja?
No, he's just a retard.
>Also, it's a different culture
Fuck their culture. I don't give a damn about their culture. Nobody would miss their obscure piece of shit ways if they got fucking nuked right now. And they would fucking deserve it because they have no sense of practicality whatsoever. Goddamned savages.
Holy shit this thread
Thanks for this you polarizing autists
>they defend red Sonja, they must be 2d loving man children!!! XDDD
>he's insulting red Sonja!! He must be a gayboy nu-male!!!
You're all faggots someone start a story time to save this thread Jesus
>>82670295
>There's a reason nobody dresses like that anymore, because it makes you look like a horse's ass.
People don't dress like that because the materials we make clothing with have advanced, and our cultural attitude towards clothing and nakedness has changed with these advances. Do you also hate stories set in other countries because they're not speaking English, or other times because they're not using guns?
>Not really, no. They're just somehow better than everyone at everything. That's bad writing.
They usually have a reason for being so. Zorro has trained to be an expert fighter, etc. If you can't accept "this person has learned to fight really well" as a reason they win fights, I don't know what to say to you, because your position makes no logical sense in that case.
>>82670295
>Fuck their culture. I don't give a damn about their culture. Nobody would miss their obscure piece of shit ways if they got fucking nuked right now. And they would fucking deserve it because they have no sense of practicality whatsoever. Goddamned savages.
So basically, you're just an idiot? Good to know.
>>82670295
Anon, be honest with me. Did Red Sonja kill your parents?
>>82670436
Wouldn't be the first time that's bitten her in the ass.
>>82670295
>fannyflustered Aquilonian mad that a Cimmerian stole his woman
>I hate Zorro, Batman, Conan, wuxia, and swords-and-sorcery
Why are people still replying to this?
This is either some /lit/fag who got lost and is confused and angered by the flurry of genre fiction, or he's a master baiter out angling for the big one. Either way, save your (you)s, for you are trying to squint through angry, foreign eyes.
>>82670409
Fence-sitting faggot.
>>82670421
>Do you also hate stories set in other countries because they're not speaking English, or other times because they're not using guns?
I hate stories wear people don't dress appropriately. Any so-called "cultural differences" are just a transparent excuse for cheap fanservice.
>They usually have a reason for being so. Zorro has trained to be an expert fighter
Which is why they always win despite how they really shouldn't half the time. Right.
>So basically, you're just an idiot? Good to know.
I'm an idiot because I don't give a fuck about a bunch of filthy savages who don't wear clothes? Yeah, I should learn to be more culturally sensitive to people who don't understand that nature hates you. Seriously, what website do you think you're on?
>>82664931
Will Nitrotitan just make a damned webcomic already so we can post it all over /co/?
I haven't read much Red Sonja but she had some decent outfits throughout.
>>82670600
>Nature hates you
Jeez, it's almost like nature is different all over the place and the clothes that will protect you from freezing to death in Norway will kill you with heat stroke on the equator!
>>82668785
Why the hell are people still seriously responding to this baitposter?
>>82670529
>call out polarizing strawmen littering the thread
>must be a fence sitter
Feels good being right. I'll have you know I have no issue with red Sonja existing, or continuing to exist, and I fully support any and all creative media, as media is a safe space to explore any and all human feelings, whether that means pretending you're red Sonja, pretending your the evil monsters trying to rape her, or any other billion forms the interpretations can take.
If chainmail bikinis offend you your sensibilities haven't been ruined by exposure to actual offensive media like philosophy in the bedroom, which opens with de Sade tell his readers to not only ignore any preconceived sexual notions, but to embrace his presentations of sodomy, pedophilia, rape, ravishing, etc as goals for their sexuality
>>82667194
>More of one than the other two at least
How would you know this if you haven't read any Conan? Fuck off with your shit taste. Robert e Howard is a much better writer than fucking Sanderson.
>>82669299
I'm not sure if it changes, but that page is from her like younger years.
>>82670705
>I fully support any and all creative media, as media is a safe space to explore any and all human feelings
You're basically advocating a complete abandonment of standards. Why you gotta be such a pansy ass hippie, anon?
>>82670694
And yet that's no excuse to dress like a whore at the equator. Shirt and pants won't kill you. Sweat a little, you damn fool.
>>82670830
I mean, you can call it an abandonment of standards but actual society has already gone long past that point so I don't see the problem with giving media the context it deserves: a rule-less safe space where anything and everything is permissible
Granted this all relies on your consumers knowing how to properly contextualize what they're consuming, and if socia media is any decent indication of your average persons reading comprehension/analysis skills, there ain't much hope
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>>82670685
I really like this one from the Cub one shot. couldn't find a larger image unfortunately.
>>82670600
>I hate stories wear people don't dress appropriately. Any so-called "cultural differences" are just a transparent excuse for cheap fanservice.
I guess Conan was cheap fanservice when Robert E. Howard wrote him?
Don't be retarded. Conan wears very little because most of the time the area he's living in requires wearing very little. Both he and Red Sonja tend to put more clothes on when the environment demands it.
>Which is why they always win despite how they really shouldn't half the time. Right.
Why shouldn't they win if they're better fighters? Or if they approach their problem in a clever manner, which is what Conan and Red Sonja usually do (Conan, particularly, is notable for being better at thinking on his feet than fighting).
>>82670600
>I'm an idiot because I don't give a fuck about a bunch of filthy savages who don't wear clothes? Yeah, I should learn to be more culturally sensitive to people who don't understand that nature hates you. Seriously, what website do you think you're on?
People living in Polynesia and Africa don't necessarily face the same environmental problems as someone living north of the equator, dumbass.
To be honest, going shirtless isn't even that much of a problem up north. I live in England and I could probably spend most of my summer shirtless and in sandals.
>>82663844
Never heard of her
>>82671419
>and I could probably spend most of my summer shirtless and in sandals.
What a slut.
>>82667216
GOOD THAT IT ISN'T COLD OR ANYTHING
>>82664568
>She's basically the sword-and-sorcery equivalent of spiderman
Funny you should say that...
>>82671717
>>82671724
>>82671860
Edgy
>>82671952
Hey, just self defense.
>>82671952
>wanting to murder someone for the way they dress isn't edgy
>but killing those people is
>>>/tumblr/
How about we save our (you)s and let have a bit of a story time.
>>82663911
>manchildren who are somehow allergic to porn
Hey, I like sexy artwork AND porn. Liking one doesn't mean you can't enjoy the other.
>>82664957
Rule of cool.
But I like this look too.
>>82665005
>And even then, don't a bitch get cold?
I'd imagine it's warm in the Hyborian age.
>I fucking dare you to wear a bikini at all times and see how comfortable you feel
What kind of faggot demands realism in their fantasy fiction?
Well I was gonna storytime something but it looks like someone else already is, have fun.
are you still alive anon?
>>82671860
Hah!
>>82675284
Uh oh. Just when I was really starting to dig this,
>>82665523
>some happy party members.
Funny story, the mangaka actually added those characters because the depressing nature of the series was slowly driving him insane. He needed an outlet.
>>82676472
Well, they were necessary for Guts' character development, as well as the inevitable tragic ending. Let's not forget Guts' has been carrying a behelit with him for 20+ volumes now...
>>82676987
I think Casca gonna be the one to use it.
>CAPTCHA
Cupcakes are not candy.
>>82671860
>somebody was angry enought to make a reply picture
>>82666859
So, pray tell what is the difference between fantasy, high fantasy, DnD style fantasy, and sword and sorcery?
>>82677243
>Somebody was angry enough to make the original pic in the first place
>>82665781
As I understand it, that rule is there so that she can keep her powers if she gets raped.
All these S
