>Continuity, I think a lot of people scoff at it. "Oh that's so stupid. Story is more important than continuity." To me, continuity is the heart of comic books. That's what makes it real. If you're not telling a story that stands on the shoulders of the giants before you, it's not real. You're just writing into the air. That stuff is very important to me, that sort of coordination. We have to make sure that the Batman in this book is the Batman that lives in the DC Universe. He's the Batman that is a member of the JLA. He's the Batman who is leading a team of superheroes in Detective Comics. He's the Batman who has to face all the villains and everything coming up in Scott's All-Star Batman. All that stuff affects him and affects my book.
What does /co/ think about Tom King's thoughts on continuity.
>>82661566
why is he so bald
>>82661566
Truly I've found a man after my own heart.
As a raging continuity whore, I am pleased
>>82661566
>you can write bad stories as long as there is continuity
That's retarded. What is this, Steven Universe?
Snyder's All Star Batman is going to ignore and outright contradict Tomasi's superior take on Two-Face so I think it's perfectly acceptable for other writers to ignore it in turn.
>>82661566
10/10 Continuity tastes.
The absolute BEST taste in Robins, as well.
>>82661935
>Snyder's best-selling Batman run means he gets to be a Batman editor in all but name after he leaves the main title
I want off this ride. The only way this could be worse is if the same applies to Slott after he finally leaves Spider-Man.
>>82661566
B A S E D
>>82661935
That's just King showing respect.
He takes every opportunity he's given to plug his co-creators, regardless of what he thinks about them or their work.
He did it all the time when interviewed about Omega Men or The Vision, he's just continuing to be an awesome guy.
>>82661566
>If you're not telling a story that stands on the shoulders of the giants before you, it's not real. You're just writing into the air.
This is how I feel about Bendis.
>>82661974
Nigga's head looks like a raisin.
>>82661930
Hahaha, nice tri Shitmasi.
>>82661898
I get the vibe that he means both are equally important. Telling a good story is obviously important, but the a driving force in capes is the shared universe and history so it should be used well.
>>82661566
>To me, continuity is the heart of comic books.
>>82662088
I hope you enjoy Joker with a Duality Gimmick.
>>82661566
>continuityfag
>working for DC
KekSeriously though, Grayson 12 and recent vision stuff was great.
>it's a "damianfag invades every tom king thread" episode
*sigh*
>>82661566
Based King
>>82661566
he's right. If I didn't want to read about characters that have been shaped by decades of continuity I wouldn't read capeshit. That's straight up what I'm here for.
>>82662437
Exactly. My interest in Pym was exactly because of his histroy. Then I went back read most of the comics he's appeared in and now he's my fvaourite character from the Big Two. Continuity gets messy, but it's the backbone of a shared universe.
>>82662437
>Pym was a SCIENCE adventurer in his first story
No.
>>82662664
What are you talking about?
>>82662695
What the guy who wrote the text in the image said. He also then says other things from the first story which makes me think the writer did not actually read Tales to Astonish #27.
If he's as big of a continuity whore as Morrison, does that mean we're in for a great Batman run?
>>82662771
Oh, you mean how he called him a science adventurer when none of that shit in Tales to Astonish was intentional? The SCIENCE in all caps threw me off
>>82661566
this reply has been removed by the CIA
>>82662713
I love this image but I feel like there's a better way of arranging it
>>82662885
>>82662829
Yeah. Sort of. And then he goes on to say that Pym created the shrinking Serum because he heard scientist say that it was impossible and then decided to try to prove him wrong. Which isnt exactly what happened. There are other things he says from older stories which has me suspecting he only read the wiki article or something for them, but to be fair those could be blamed on misremembering the finer details.
>>82662778
All his other books are great, so hopefully so.
>>82662481
>>82662537
what did he mean by this
>>82663027
Just ignore the crazy.
>>82662969
>complaints for ants
>>82661566
I disagree but I kind of see where he's coming from. Stories aren't accepted as being "real" unless they're in the mainline books. That's why stuff like, say, Harley Quinn has to get introduced in a Batman book, even though she existed on the show.
Then again you have stuff like TDKR which contributed to the mythos of the character without being part of the ongoing
>>82661566
Autism. Fuck continuity. It's a shame that DC's "stories > continuity" policy was so panned by autistic neckbeards who were upset that Batman had amnesia in one book, but was the God of Knowledge in another. It really just proves that comics aren't about quality at all. They're just about collectors who want the same shit spoonfed to them again and again. Yeah, fuck giving writers the chance to tell different stories. Fuck the whole creative process.
>>82662158
>two bad ends
That triggers me beyond belief
>>82663151
I think he's talking strictly about the main continuity comics. AUs and Elseworlds are a different thing altogether.
>>82663215
Except that King literally writes the most creative books coming out right now.
>>82663260
Why do you use "frag" instead of "fag"?
>>82663232
So like, he means stuff like neo-Harley where nothing ties into the continuity or anything? At that point it's basically an Elseworlds, though.
Or maybe he means that you should pull from a character's Publication history for their instead of pulling a Hellcat and just making shit up. I would agree with that.
>>82661815
Good, fuck Damian and all the pedoshits that like him. He can fuck off and have his meme adventures in his own book or with totally original Superson
>>82661585
He's transitioning into Morrison
>>82661566
Completely agree. Hes right. You should take their entire history as one long story. He will be Morrison's true successor.
>>82663374
Probably the second.
Although Harley's solo book is an example terrible characterization, especially compared to her Suicide Squad portrayal.
>>82663215
>It really just proves that comics aren't about quality at all
> Look at someone like Rob Liefeld; he sits on his arse all day, churning out a few pages of barely literate, totally incompetent drivel – and he's raking in millions. Comics is a medium populated and consumed by morons
Grant Morrison
https://sites.google.com/a/deepspacetransmissions.com/site/interviews-1/1990-s/comic-world-8---october-1992
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>>82663575
Is this one of those babies with an ipad?
>>82663652
52 confirms. Based King is the new Morrison.
>>82663315
I'll admit I've enjoyed his stuff, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with his opinion. Why would you petition for continuity when all it does is restrict creativity, just so some manchildren can have the warm fuzzies that their entire funny pages collection is taking place in the same universe?
>>82663692
Morrison is and always has been based.
>>82663737
>>82663820
>>82663869
>>82663900
Talk about purged posts.
>>82663692
>"Comics is a medium populated and consumed by morons"
>Grant Morrison
I'm putting this on a t-shirt.
>>82663919
I don't think it restricts creativity at all. If anything, it gives you a vast advantage, since iconic characters have a rich history the writers can use to their advantage.
Acknowledging Grayson's, Kyle's and Hal's history has only done King good so far. Not to mention that I really appreciate how much research him and Orlando do for their books.
>>82661566
When is the last time a writer got this much hype and praise, Ewing before ANAD Marvel? And now Ewing only has, what, just the same 2 or 3 people that care about his books now? Will be interesting to see what happens after Rebirth.
>>82664161
>Ewing before ANAD Marvel?
No. Ewing never had this much hype.
>>82663506
F2M
>>82664161
Ewing's a good writer, but he never got me as hyped as King and didn't make me buy a book just because it carried his name.
>>82664161
Hickman right before his Avengers came out. The sheer amount of Hickman dick sucking that was happening on /co/ between the end of the War of the Four Cities and the start of his Avengers was absurd.
The continuity porn in Vision is the best thing ever. I really want him on a franchise that I love a lot with a lengthy run.
>>82664115
"Acknowledging history" is only a part of it, though. There's no rule that says you can't acknowledge history while not adhering to continuity. In fact, without continuity, you're free to use any history you'd like. I don't think that's what most people, including King, mean when they talk about continuity.
Continuity in a comic book line is more about believing that things occuring in one book can also be considered to have occurred (or more importantly, are currently occuring) in another book. Look at it this way: During the DCYou, Superman was simultaneously losing his powers and had lost his secret identity. Meanwhile, Johns was having him inherit the powers of gods in Darkeid War. (Overlook for a moment the fact that all of these stories turned out kinda meh), but without disregarding continuity as most fans consider it, these stories would have never happened.
As far as "referencing history", despite the fact that those previous storylines clashed with each other, they are all considered to have occured, and elements of them are being used in current Superman storylines. Same goes for Batman with the Superheavy and Darkseid War storylines. Now both are available for future writers to use, offering a much more diverse history to pull from than if continuity had restricted them to all mesh with each other.
>>82661566
Thank you King
>>82664819
>Superman was simultaneously losing his powers and had lost his secret identity. Meanwhile, Johns was having him inherit the powers of gods in Darkeid War
Ah, but that's the thing. They do acknowledge all those things, hence Tomasi's current story. They just don't specify the timeline.
>>82665430
Yes, that is my point as well. My post may have been a bit confusing.
The way King (and most comic readers) consider continuity isn't as a history, but instead as how believable it is for these events to be occurring simultaneously to the same character.
I remember a ton of angry tweets to DC from people who didn't understand why Batman was Commissioner Gordon in one book, but The God of Knowledge in another.
>>82664819
Yeah, I totally agree with this. I never understood why people rejected DCYou's Hypertimey thing. It seemed like natural end result of the way DC's continuity has always functioned, and removes the need for Crisises to fix continuity issues.
Continuity is hugely important to Big Two comic books and he's completely right. We're really blessed right now with King and Ewing running wild.
>>82665708
I think King means that all those events leave an impact on the character and he's going to acknowledge that in his book, rather than "events happen simultaneously".
>>82665708
"People" you mean. Limiting the writer and not letting him tell his story because "muhh continuity" the events in one comic don't need to happen at the same time as events from another.
>>82665892
I don't know what you're trying to say here.
>>82662778
No. He really should be on C listers and cosmic DC.
>>82665962
Found the salty GL fan.
>>82665962
>cosmic DC
Somebody get Tom King off of Batman and make him write Jonah Hex in Space, please.
>>82666115
I want his Vril Dox and L.E.G.I.O.N. so badly I can taste it
>>82664665
And now /co/ hates him
>>82664696
Same here.
>Marvel wanted him for Steve Rogers' Cap book
>King loves writing Hal and would have done Green Lantern
>instead we're stuck with King on Batman where he'll have to play bitch-boy to Snyder's All-star Batman while being saddled with fuck damn Finch on art
It fucking hurts, man.
>>82661566
Wellp, it's offical, Batman is going on my pull list. I hate the character, but I have faith in King, after all King took the most boring Avenger to me and made his comic into one of the best being printed today. I can only imagine what he can do what a character that has such a long history behind him.
>>82663215
>Autism
No, I think autism is is personified by people like you who somehow believe that good writing and continuity are mutually exclusive.
If a story is good on its own merits then of course I don't care about the continuity issues. And believe you me, I skip over plenty of continuity-heavy books that are either straight-up shit or don't appeal to me.
But I absolutely believe that if you're working in the mainline shared universe then writing good stories with proper continuity should be pursued like the Holy freaking Grail. It can only enhance whatever story you're telling as well as the bigger picture.
>>82664038
Please share on /co/ if you do, I would absolutely buy one.
>>82663506
I thought it was Morrison in the thumbnail.
>>82661585
Stress from the CIA. He's seen some bad shit.
>>82667187
>after all King took the most boring Avenger to me and made his comic into one of the best being printed today
I'm glad I'm not the only one
>>82667524
If he was in the CIA, why won't they admit it? He literally wants them to admit it.
>>82667730
I don't think the CIA are going to make a public statement and say that a comic book writer used to be a CIA agent.
>>82662437
I've been burned by shit like this before, so let me ask: is Hank's life truly as much as a monument to failure as the writer makes it out to be or is he embellishing a bit?
>>82665988
You Batfags will hate him in a year, kindly fuck off.
>>82663506
>King is Morrison from another Earth.
>his coming marks the begining of the real Hypercrisis
>>82667949
What would happen if they shook hands?
Also, since it hasn't been mentioned, the context:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/articles/tom-king-on-taking-over-batman-and-how-creepy-thin/1100-155440/
The context of the quote is more so about the feeling of the Bat-office and how they're going to handle things going forward. Essentially, he's saying that instead of the Bat-titles being somewhat isolated from each other, they're making an effort to coordinate things.
Now, whether that's a good idea or not, who knows?
I wouldn't go so far as to say any title has "suffered" during the Mark Doyle era -- at least in terms of cross-title coordination. But some things weren't always perfect -- Robin War comes to mind, along with some of the handling of the more girly titles like Batgirl, Black Canary, and Gotham Academy.
Perhaps with the line being trimmed, this will be good news, as Doyle will be better able to focus (and the whole Bat-office will coordinate amongst themselves more easily).
Current/recent Doyle titles:
* Batgirl
* Batman
* 'Tec
* B&R Eternal
* Black Canary
* DK III
* Gotham Academy
* Grayson
* Harley Quinn (and 2 other Harley Quinn books)
* Midnighter
* Robin: Son of Batman
* We Are Robin
(like 12 to 14 titles)
Upcoming Bat-family titles
* Batman x2
* 'Tec x2
* Nightwing x2
* Harley Quinn x2
* All-Star Batman
* Batgirl
* Batgirl and the Birds of Prey
* Gotham Academy: Next Semester
* End of DK III; and the various finales to some of the above books before September
(4 bi-weeklies; 4 monthlies; and then whatever effort is needed to crank out DK3 and kill the last books)
>>82668532
FILTHY ACTS
AT A CHEAP AND REASONABLE PRICE
>>82667584
I don't see how you could be, the whole Sythazoid tries to be human/fit into a human society trope is really old and tired, but King's take on it is a fresh spin on it. Not new, but certainly fresh
>>82667805
The makes some good points, but only seems to have read the wiki entries for at least the older comics
>>82661566
He's right.
>>82668585
Bat office is also doing Wonder Woman.
>>82663692
>liefeld
>bad
I bet you think Michael Bay is a shitty director too.
>>82668585
>* Batgirl and the Birds of Prey
The choice of artist makes me think this one won't be as 'girly' as we've been getting.
