Find a flaw.
>>82659330
He was wrong except for defending Bucky in the final fight.
>>82659330
I guess I'd get rid of the black bars. Otherwise it's a solid webm.
>>82659330
>male
>white skin
they didn't play "taking a stand" from the winter soldier during this scene
I'm not friends with him
>>82659365
whoa, slow down there nig-nog. don't use both brain cells answering this question.
we don't need to have a 4chan user having an aneurysm..
>>82659350
So you'd let your friend get killed?
>>82659423
>pretending they were serious and replying with an equally retarded comment
I don't even get this. Is 4chan just a big improv game? What's the point?
>>82659459
>>82659330
He has a bit of green mixed in with the blue in his eyes.
>>82659513
>joke
A bit of a stretch but okay.
>>82659525
Shut up Zemo you nitpicking cunt, you'd still fuck him.
>>82659529
>A bit of a stretch but okay
that's what your mom said when i rammed my dick in her ass
>>82659330
It takes talent to make him come off as the wrong side of the civil war. This isn't basic fuck up this is advanced fucking up.
>>82659330
the new Serious Sam look cool.
>>82659330
>switches to an underhand grip so he can curl instead
Was afraid he'd snap his biceps
He's too white and hetero for modern audiences.
>>82659552
Is it summer already?
To be honest,Civil War felt like a perfect comic book movie and felt like it followed the comic book format so well.
Gotta actually see the other movies before you can watch the latest event.
>>82659686
>Cap is straight
Every single person in the Captain America sphere is bi for each other. Angie loves Peggy loves Steve loves Bucky. Bucky and Howard love Steve. It's just a big love complete graph.
This movie had no bad scenes. How crazy is that?
they never addressed the fact that, at the end of the movie, cap was right and Tony was wrong. The accords failed in exactly the way he said they would. He predicted that there would be a time when the Avengers would need to go somewhere, but they could be blocked from going.
and in the end, Tony needed to go to Siberia and Ross stopped him, so he broke the accords and went in secret.
>>82659963
>He predicted that there would be a time when the Avengers would need to go somewhere, but they could be blocked from going.
Where did they need to go?
>>82659670
He actually hurt his shoulder doing that.
>>82659963
And he faced zero consequence for it, while still maintaining the trust and support of the world.
Tony was right, because it was matter of practicality, not empty sentiment.
>>82660000
Quads confirm.
>>82659963
They addressed it having it happen. Not everything needs to be explained through exposition.
>>82659976
>>82659963
>and in the end, Tony needed to go to Siberia and Ross stopped him, so he broke the accords and went in secret.
Tony went to Ross with clear evidence that Bucky was set up (the psychiatrist was that supposed to evaluate Bucky was found dead and make-up to make some one look like Bucky were found.), but Ross said "don't care, we're killing Bucky and you're benched."
>>82659757
>It actually functions like a happy-go-lucky family sitcom
>We just need Tony to almost cause the end of the world one more time and go "Did I doooo that?" and the circle's complete
>>82659330
His shirt is still on.
>>82659330
He's wearing a shirt.
>>82660035
what I meant was that there was no consequence for Tony. Unless he managed to make it home on his own with a broken suit and then kept quiet about the entire thing.
He'll probably vote for the candidate I don't like.
>>82660122
Are you forgetting his autopilot helicopter
>>82660066
>>82660074
Gay for Evansmind.Nice
>>82660140
He sent that home to cover his tracks. Calling it back to pick him up would defeat that purpose.
>>82660158
>He sent that home to cover his tracks.
said the movie at no point.
>>82660158
the range of those things is like 300 miles at a speed of 140 knots. seems implausible.
>>82659330
>Bucky's face
>>82660038
But they DIDN'T need to go to Siberia that badly. The reason they thought they did was because Steve had gotten the sense from Bucky that Zemo was after the other Winter Soldiers, and if he had come in and told them that, Sharon and Sam could have corroborated his story.
So okay, maybe there's some red tape and delay before they go after the guy. And? So what? Even if he had woken up the soldiers by then (which they had only a half-baked idea he would do) what could he have done against all the Avengers, aided by actual law enforcement? But he didn't, because unknown to Steve, who was all for charging in half-cocked, the plan was to turn Avenger against Avenger, which worked out beautifully.
>>82659330
he doesn't think other countries deserve their own sovereignty
The shirt.
Did anyone else think the helicopter bit fell flat? He looked more like he was holding on to the helicopter as the pilot was keeping it steady. He didn't look like he was straining to hold it in place, he looked like he was pretending to be straining holding it in place. One of those things that works cooler as a concept than it does in execution.
>>82659330
>that pandering damn bicep flex for the ladies
>>82660656
>ladies
>>82660158
>He sent that home to cover his tracks.
At no point was this said
>>82659330
All I thought that entire scene was
>I'm with you to the end of the line
>tfw you will never have a friend as loyal as Cap
>tfw you are the Cap of your friends though
>>82660000
>Your actions have meaning only if they hold true to your ideals.
>>82660189
>seems implausible.
It's Tony Stark's personal helicopter, it's probably ARC reactor powered.
>>82659330
Too handsome and manly
>>82659330
That he's not my boyfriend.
>>82659330
Captain lived
>>82661265
Crossbones, pls go.
>>82660365
The real threat was that the winter soldiers would get away. In a straight up fight, with the power of the avengers brought against them, they can be defeated.
But if they are allowed to go underground and start going on missions, the vast majority of the time the avengers wouldn't even knew where they were until a head of state was dead and a country plunged into chaos. Which could happen anywhere, at any time, possibly even multiple at once because there were 5 of them in play.
So if you are even a couple of hours late, you lose.
And according to the SA, there needs to be a UN vote to approve the deployment of the Avengers. The same UN who clearly isn't going to be in session because it just got exploded two days ago and people died.
It would have taken days, at bare fucking minimum, for them to get their yes-vote. And by then, if they were actually right about Zemo's plan, it would have been too late.
The Avengers generally don't deal with problems that can afford to wait a week for you to decide whether or not you can go and clean up that mess. Basically every problem they face is something where a delay of even a few hours would have meant disaster on a global scale. Its insane to think that the Sokovia Accords operate efficiently enough to have no impact on their ability to respond within that margin of error, unless you have representatives from all world nations on 24 hour call in a permenant session, JUST IN CASE they get a panicked call from Hawkeye explaining that there is a skrull invasion landing in 15 minutes and can they PLEEEEEASE do something about it before they take over the planet.
>>82659452
Being my friend does not protect someone from the consequences of breaking the law.
>>82661359
>Being my friend does not protect someone from the consequences of breaking the law.
He just learned Bucky killed his parents, Tony wasn't going to take him to jail. Steve fought that fight for the sake of both his friends.
>>82661317
>And according to the SA, there needs to be a UN vote to approve the deployment of the Avengers.
Not the entire UN. There would be a panel in place to deploy the Avengers when needed. That's what Ross said. We'll probably find out more about that in future films.
>>82661460
Follow the chain of replies before you post retard.
>>82659330
The point of CW was that he has a flaw. Evans even points this out.
>>82663029
>Follow the chain of replies before you post retard.
The manhunt for Bucky became priority one due to the ONE assassination he did NOT do. Therefore, Cap wasn't wrong at any point in the movie at all.
>>82663747
It may have become priority one because of that, but he was still a mass murderer beforehand.
>>82659330
he doesn't exist. he's just an actor.and he doesn't love you
>>82663883
>and he doesn't love you
>>82659670
I think that was the dumbest part.
He could have lost balance with that switch. I lose believability on that part.
Otherwise - a very good scene.
>>82659963
but they didnt technically need to go. they were manipulated into going there.
>>82661359
Breaking the law doesn't remove your legal rights.
>>82663883
Over the line
>>82663883
>and he doesn't love you
t-that can't be true
His eyes have a bit of green in them.
>>82659330
the helicopter didn't budge for the moment he let go to switch grips.
>>82659330
when he was holding the chopper back at first how was he doing it? Shouldn't it have lifted him off the ground when he was standing and pulling it?
>>82666829
He was being dragged by it until he got a foothold on the helipad rail, and then he grabbed it.
>>82659330
he could have tried pulling the helicopter with his legs
>>82659330
he sure looks like aReal American
>>82666612
Stronk legs
>>82667140
While we see an extended shot of him flexing his ass.
>>82659330
Cap shouldn't use guns.
>>82667213
Yes please
>>82659330
It was filmed.
>>82659330
>this scene
>>82663821
A brainwashed one.
>>82659330
It's a shit movie.
>>82667766
Extenuating circumstances are for the convicting jury to consider, not for Captain America.
Why didn't the bolts put into the concrete get ripped out?
Were they designed to handle that much force?
>>82661359
It's not against the law to get brainwashed against your will.
>>82668112
see: >>82667912
>>82667912
The Jury on the trial that Buckey was not getting? Before or after they shot him on sight?
>>82667912
>Extenuating circumstances are for the convicting jury to consider
And yet, throughout the entire movie, while our heroes are being arrested and subsequently detained indefinitely and their captors literally scoff, quip and chuckle at the very thought of due process, you somehow insist on arguing that Bucky would have ever seen the inside of a courtroom? While ever law enforcement agency in the world has orders to kill him on sight??
No, anon. You move.
>>82668273
Maybe if he had turned himself in instead of hiding from the authorities that would not have happened. You think if he just walked into a police station and surrendered the guy at the front desk would have shot him in the face anyway?
>>82668311
International assassins with superpowers are not subject to the same criminal justice system as the man who shoots his wife. That there was no trial indicated during the movie does not mean there would never be one. It doesn't matter anyway, whether the authorities are being unjust does not matter, they are the authorities, if they do wrong there is an established system for citizens to change how it works.
>>82659330
Needs better delts.
>>82668438
>Maybe if he had turned himself in instead of hiding from the authorities that would not have happened
The shooting on sight, no. The incarceration with no trial, you bet.
>>82668438
>It doesn't matter anyway, whether the authorities are being unjust does not matter, they are the authorities
So you're saying the heroes were wrong for defying the law when the law was ignoring their human right?
>>82668841
If there was no other recourse, they would have been justified, unfortunately for them, there most certainly is. Just because you personally disagree with the way the system currently works does not give you the right to just defy it. You want shit to change, vote those responsible out of office, vote for measures that make appropriate changes. We live in a society, there is no room for every random asshole to take matters into their own hands the second something doesn't go the way they want.
>>82669034
>You want shit to change, vote those responsible out of office, vote for measures that make appropriate changes
Meanwhile Bucky is dead.
Good job, hero.
>>82669344
If Bucky is dead it's because he didn't take the opportunity to surrender, just sat around hiding until they had to come to him.
>>82659330
He got cucked out of own film to make Avengers 3.
>>82669451
Surrender so he could get no due process and in the worst case, be executed without a trial?
Please anon, playing devil's advocate is fun but you have to at least pretend you believe your bullshit a little.
/fit/ here
He'd tear his bicep if he tried that
>>82668438
>It doesn't matter anyway, whether the authorities are being unjust does not matter, they are the authorities, if they do wrong there is an established system for citizens to change how it works.
Maybe you might allow an innocent man you claim to be your best and oldest friend lose his life, as well as countless other victims like him, while you sit and twiddle your thumbs waiting for the master holding your leash to waggle your doggie chain and rub your tummy and tell you everything's going to be okay any day now...
But that's not what Steve Rogers would do.
And in keeping with the founding principles of the country for which he fights and bleeds and represents with the national colors emblazoned on his flag-costume, he is absolutely right to do so.
>>82669574
Sounds like you're not lifting enough.
>>82669592
>"super soldier serum"
>i.e. government funded steroids
>implying tendons grow at the same rate as muscle on roids
>imblying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZgxkE-2QAw
>>82669503
I am arguing primarily against Captain America aiding Bucky. He should not be helping him break the law just because he disagrees with it.
>>82669586
Not aiding a fugitive via illegal means does not mean sitting idly. Just because you can't stand to pursue any means of aid that don't involve punching police officers doesn't mean they aren't valid options.
>>82669654
>He should not be helping him break the law just because he disagrees with it.
He's not helping him break the law. He's insuring his friend's human rights are respected.
And no, the "valid option" that ends up with your friend dead while you wait for your letters to reach the congressmen isn't a valid option at all.
>>82669654
>I am arguing primarily against Captain America aiding Bucky, he should not be helping him break the law just because he disagrees with it.
The other side had already disregarded the law, why shouldn't Capt? At least on Cap side someone Bucky has a chance at living.
>>82669698
>He's not helping him break the law. He's insuring his friend's human rights are respected.
You cannot possibly be this dumb.
>And no, the "valid option" that ends up with your friend dead while you wait for your letters to reach the congressmen isn't a valid option at all.
First of all, congratulations on proving you are not civilized enough to live in a democracy. Second, it is never indicated that execution is in the cards. Even AFTER Bucky goes on a rampage he is only detained, execution is never even mentioned as a possibility.
>>82669766
Congratulations on your grade school level of morality, just because someone else does something wrong doesn't make it okay for you to do it too.
>>82669827
>You cannot possibly be this dumb.
Nice argument.
>Second, it is never indicated that execution is in the cards.
They explicitly say so, which is why Cap is spurred into action.
>Even AFTER Bucky goes on a rampage he is only detained
Because cap made sure he stayed alive long enough for that. After that, they laughed at him for asking about Bucky's rights to an attorney.
>>82669654
and those more valid options of aiding Bucky were... letting him die in a hail of bullets?
Before the events of Civil War, Bucky was completely off the grid. Maybe if Cap had been able to find him sooner he could have convinced him to turn himself in... but that's not how events played out.
Just because he ran away doesn't justify watching him get killed needlessly when you've got them means to get him help.
Punching out a few cops to save your friends life when he's about to be unjustly executed? Seems legit to me.
>>82669827
>just because someone else does something wrong doesn't make it okay for you to do it too.
If you consider "saving a person's life" something wrong, I guess.
![46120_900[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uJkqJIG.jpg "46120_900[1].jpg")
>>82669827
>You cannot possibly be this dumb.
>>82669827
>you are not civilized enough to live in a democracy.
>>82669827
>Congratulations on your grade school level of morality
>>82669935
Asserting that someone who attacked police officers did not break the law is not worthy of any other response. If you want reasonable discourse under the formal rules of debate you would be well advised to find another site.
>>82666223
It does to varying degrees, to an extent determined by the severity of the crime and the legal authorities in charge.
>>82670089
What is self defense?
They were going to kill him moron.
>>82659330
.webm doesn't contain the crash
it was bs that they didn't get killed but man was it cool
>>82670127
Self defense does not apply as a defense against attacking law enforcement officials employing an authorized level of force in the course of their duties.
>>82670121
>It does to varying degrees
No it does not.
>>82670251
>Self defense does not apply as a defense against attacking law enforcement officials
So he had to roll over and die despite being innocent just so he wouldn't "break the law"?
>>82670323
No, just turn himself in before they broke the doors down looking to shoot him.
>>82670512
They started by throwing grenades in the room. If Cap had not been there he would be dead
>>82670512
See: >>82669503
