What ruins cartoons the most?
Fans.
Being dead.
>>82612492
Well, there you go OP.
That's the one.Let\s not pretend that writers now a days aren't fans either
>>82612460
Lack of villains. Looking at you Steven Universe
>>82612460
Alex Hirsch.
Executive producers.
>>82612492
well that was a quick thread
>>82612492
>>82612566
>>82612629
Fans have no direct influence on the cartoon itself, they don't produce it. If a fandom ruins a cartoon for you then you should grow a thicker skin.
>>82612688
But anon,I was born with thick skin
Business executives, since they have the ability to cancel cartoons.
>>82612688
>The New Writers aren't fans who want to put in their input.
Are we talking in general or are we being specific?
Because of lots of writers who come in to write for some comics are often fans who want to do something they think would be cool. And then get shit like American Alien.
>>82612782
I thought we were talking about cartoons, not comics.
If we're talking about comics then you're right, most of it is pretty much fanfiction anyway.
>>82612733
THIS IS NOW A PARDO THREAD
lore and pandering
>>82612460
Mandatory status quo so networks can air episodes out of order.
>>82612460
Tumblr
Shipping
Lol random humor
Fans
Shit characters/art style/animation
Creators getting butthurt
I could go on, but I don't wanna
>>82612460
Time skips
Fans
Pandering
Shoe-horned social commentary
Time skips
Revivals after cancellation
Time skips
Changes in animation/production
>>82612851
It happens for both, like the animated movies for DC specifically batman stuff or Power Puff Girls.
>>82612460
>Son/Daughter you're gonna have a new Sister/Brother!
>I'm pregnant!
>I think we'll have to make extra room for our new family member!
Babies In general ruin a dynamic for cartoons to me. I only let it slide if either the Baby was introduced at the very beginning of a series or at the near of one.
>>82612492
fpbp
>>82612460
Social media
You can argue it's the fans, but you need fans for a successful following. But having ppl input on your show even before it's out is a mistake.
If you say you an X show, then X fans will like it. Other ppl who like Y stuff and Z stuff complain, but it was never meant for them. Putting Y and Z into an X show completely ruin it for the fans who like the show for what it was.
>>82613052
That random baby the Stoppable's adopted was the most unnecessary thing ever.
>>82612460
Social Justice.
>>82612460
Bad animation. To bright colors, no sense of contrast, no imagination.
But a bad animation is decisive into making a bad cartoon.
I can go past a weak storyline if the animation is great. I'm not sure about the other way around...
Homosexuality.
>Politics, social or otherwise
>An abundance of those "very special episodes" where a topical problem in North American society is addressed, usually with ham-handed drama and tragedy (see: drugs, bullying, theft, etc.)
>Regularly-scheduled showtunes in non-musical shows (Donkey Kong Country was almost watchable if not for this)
>Introducing new characters in all the wrong ways (too soon, by making them "better" than the original characters instead of newcomers with lots to learn, by giving them too much screentime assuming everyone loves them, by making them pander to whatever "new audience" producers want in their demographic, etc.)
>>82612982
>Shoe-horned social commentary
How do you mean exactly? Social commentary has been a part of comics since the 1930s and cartoons since probably the '60s.
I agree with the rest of your post though
>>82613052
What about at the end of the story
>>82613367
Social commentary that's glaringly obvious and hasn't been present in the rest of the cartoon.
Like having a random episode about political correctness or something
>>82613324
>An abundance of those "very special episodes"
Fuck you, very special episodes are awesome.
>>82613445
Coming up with nothing, sorry. Example?
>>82613518
Yeah but every episode of Clone High was a very special episode.
In that case, I would be more upset with any non-special or even just averagely special episodes.
Fans can't "ruin" a cartoon because even if the fandom is garbage, the ratings go up like crazy... fans only ruin themselves and their fandom
Almost every reply here is retarded. Fucking hell.
>>82613324
>regularly-scheduled showtunes in non-musical shows
but anon, if it has regularly-scheduled showtunes that means it is a musical show
>>82612460
30 year olds making cartoons for other 30 year olds.
>>82612460
Love subplots and shippers.
>>82612688
When the writers start catering to fans too much, then it becomes a problem.
Fandom itself isn't a problem, it's when writers and producers start putting in pieces of fandom to pander is when the show starts to go downhill.
>>82614312
I meant "musical show" in the sense of a show focusing on music as the main concept.
>Cartoon about kids/animals/robots who are in a band / band class together
>Showtunes every episode
>Expected, entertaining, and appropriate
>Cartoon about kids/animals/robots saving the world from evil or trying to become the ultimate athletes
>Showtunes every episode
>Takes away from plot time, unnecessary, out-of-place/out-of-character, increasingly more distracting/annoying as series goes on and musical creativity dwindles
>>82612492
Yeah, if you're a mindless beta sheep who can't form their own opinions.
Executives.
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>>82612688
>>82613518
Non-satirical very special episodes.
>>82612460
The removal of nubile lolis.
>>82612460
fans shipping
i know i am beating a dead horse, but Legand of Korra was shit, and only thing we remember was faggot ending that was hailed as a human rights victory by equally faggy fans and publications
Shitty writing that fucks with characterization.
>>82615172
Fuck off
>>82615172
It was pretty half-ass wasn't it? I guess gay people are satisfied with mild hand touching and confirmation via blog by balding forty something white men.
>>82612492
>hating anything because of the fanbase
Is this autism?
>>82615590
obsessive, compulsive fans are cancer.
>>82615646
How do OCD fans act?
>>82612460
When there isn't enough degrees of separation between the creators and fans and the latter starts to influence the former.
Social media is cancer.
>>82615268
make me
>>82615419
pretty much, so if their is sequel series they can retcon it out or include it, whatever they feel is canon.
