ok, so who honestly would win?
>>82241430
Saitama
>>82241430
Superman. Not even a question.
>>82241430
the Flash
>>82241430
What Superman?
What Goku?
>>82241430
I swear I see this thread at least once a week on here and the obvious answer is always one of the first answers but idiots like you keep wanting to hear someone backup your opinion on who would win.
It all boils down to this.... it depends on who's writing it.
>>82241430
Better fight
>>82241430
Either Uncle Grandpa or Popeye.
>>82241430
Goku eventually.
Since Superman would never kill Goku, Goku would get stronger every time that Superman defeated him. Eventually, he would overpower Superman (assuming he wouldn't overpower him from the beginning).
TOAA
>>82241610
Plastic Man.
Even with Fluffy in 4th Gear, Plastic Man.
Plastic man, while seemingly goofy, is rather dangerous if he ever grasps the seriousness of a situation.
>>82241430
Joe Shuster or Jerry Siegel vs Akira Toriyama. They are fighting to the death. Who wins?
>>82241430
The real question is Golden Age Superman vs Saitama. Who's plot armor is stronger?
>>82241430
LOL I POSTED IT AGAIN LOL
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LOL U DON'T LIKE ANIMES???? WHERE DO U THINK WE R X-DDDD
IT'S NOT SHITPOSTING IF /A/ DOES IT
>>82241765
Does Superman kill pic related before the fight?
>>82241805
Ooh, tough call.
>>82241610
>better fight
It's the same problem. Luffy has no means to kill Plastic Man and Plastic's feats of even rubberiness far outweigh Luffy's.
Just like how Goku, despite his efforts, wouldn't be able to beat a theoretically murder-okay prime Superman.
The problem with these fight scenarios is that they need to be more specific.
>Which period of Plastic Man?
>Which Superman run?
Luffy and Goku can easily be assumed as "Most recent" but the others have too much branching history to be vague.
>>82241430
Goku defeated stopped time.
>>82241861
Why would Shuster or Siegel draw a picture of Superman killing Krillin? Is that why Akira is gonna fight them?
>>82241765
>>82241861
Er, I meant... Does Shuster kill Jackie Chan before the fight?
>>82241682
The problem is: we might be using Zach Snyder superman, who would kill goku without hesitation. Or Akira Toryama Goku who would be happy to make peace with someone stronger than he is, because friend to all.
So: Worst Superman or Best Goku? It ends quickly and in a draw.
>>82241610
This just makes me think of those Reed Richards vs Ralph Dibny comics.
I'm on phone, so someone post please
>>82241805
It's tough, but I'd say Golden Age Supes.
Simply because he'd pull a power out of his ass that would somehow perfectly counter Saitama.
Also, Supes winning would be the more positive symbolic gesture, so his plot armor would be superior.
>>82241940
So did a 16 year old high school student.
>>82241940
So did JoJo. Anime time stop is weakest time stop.
>>82241765
2 Jews vs a fat Jap.
The winner would be society.
>>82241430
Current Goku shits on current Superman.
Any other Goku gets destroyed.
>>82242019
So a 16 yers old can defeat Superman?
>>82242140
Nah. Post Crisis is still alive and kicking. The guy punches him so hard the damage travels through time and hits every version of Goku in every possible universe and time line. And they all die instantly.
>>82241430
>SSB Saiyans can't even lift a 1000 tons
Goku is a better character than Superman
>>82242142
No. Unless they know magic or some shit.
>>82242310
Nah
but can supes defeat him?
>>82242316
Can Sakura Card Captor absolutely destroy Superman?
>>82241430
Up to SSJ3, Supes
Further beyond, Goku.
So in your pic, Supes
>>82242383
Mmm. Maybe. Her cards have magic and a lot of hax.
If she actually moved at ftl speeds. Then maybe she could beat him.
>>82241430
>implying the two wouldn't be bros
Goku is, by all reasonable accounts, literally magic. Magic exists in the DB universe, and Goku's powers derive from that. Superman is weak to magic. That combined with Goku's instant transmission technique (literally instantaneous transport between any two points, anywhere in the universe- possibly the fastest FTL travel in any fiction I've ever seen) means he can probably take Superman.
Unfortunately.
>>82241610
Plas can swim.
>>82242423
>implying Goku wouldn't want to fight Superman for shits and giggles
>>82241610
Can Luffy become a functional bike?
Plot armors being equal, Superman wins because death is less of a big deal to Goku.
>>82241430
Super Sayian God Super Sayian can't even lift 1000 tons. While beings like Hulk, Superman, Thor and etc can easily lift that.
>>82242473
>Implying it would be a fight to the death in which both go all out and wouldn't end in a cross-counter pastel frame.
>>82242423
Goku likes to beat up his bros
>>82242473
They'd definitely fight for funsies. Superman would want an opportunity to test out his full strength, and Goku always loves fighting a strong opponent.
But they'd never fight to the death. There'd be no winner, just mutual admiration.
>>82242449
Gokus powers come from ki, which is a natural thing everyone in DBZ has. If anything the universes colliding would give Supes ki too and he would be firing off energy blasts in a few hours
>>82241430
Superman
>>82241610
Just throw Luffy into the water
Even Supes knows how dangerous Plas is
>>82242449
>Thinking DB magic can hold a candle to DC magic
That's cute.
Also Ki isn't magicEven though it fucking is but whatever
>>82241430
Whoever the villain is in this hypothetical crossover if the two greatest champions of each respective universe are wasting time fighting each other instead of the real threat,
>>82241893
>Luffy has no means to kill Plastic Man
>he doesn't know about haki
>>82242623
Even injustice supes didn't want to fuck with plas
>>82242659
Ki isn't magic in the DBZ universe. It's just projecting energy that you've obtained through training. That's why they get stronger from training and shit instead of just from reading books. One might argue that Picollo might be magic considering that all he does to power up (besides absorbing Kami) is meditating, but that's a different can of worms.
>>82242381
>Not as powerful as everyone was making him out to be
Yeah, I'm still salty about that
>>82242383
She could manage to incapacitate him and if she is lucky to enclose him, if superman was mad with rage while possessed by Satan or something he would probably kill her almost instantaneously.
>>82242754
But piccolo does use magic, he doesn't use it almost never in fights tho
>>82241430
goku because he could just destroy every yellow sun in the universe
>>82242876
Like I said, different can of worms.
>mfw all these people picking superman
kek, butmad capeshitfags. Goku would win simply because anime is superior to western
>>82242754
I didn't say it was, I said it SHOULD be.
Which it should, but it isn't. Can't argue with canon.
>>82242902
God, that fat bastard was a piece of shit.
>>82242694
>Thinks that Plas is susceptible to any form of mind control
>Doesn't know about Fernus the Burning.
>>82242381
Is the animation supposed to be bad or does have have like a one inch punch type move?
>>82242991
The webm skips the part where Hit doesn't feel his punch and briefly contemplated giving Nipples the win
>>82242381
Are those fucking tits?
>>82242991
No, it is that shit.
>>82241610
Plastic Man would be too slow to even touch Luffy, Luffy doesn't have anything capable of hurting Plastic Man.
They fight for days untill Luffy gets too tired and lose.
>>82242990
>haki
>mind control
>>82242008
GA Superman would develop one block power in that scenario.
>>82243139
nipples
he got the biggest nipples of his race
>>82242694
This whole debate is arround this, would haki make Luffy's strike hurt plastic man like he had a normal body? If yes, Luffy would end him with one punch, if not see>>82243167
>>82243185
>Conqueror's haki
>not some form of mind control
>>82243267
When people say haki they are almost invariably talking about the armor one
Superman.
>>82243322
And that would harm Plas how? The powers don't overlap. Plas isn't like a logia user in that his body become stretchy, Plas is something stretchy that take on a human shape.
>>82243267
It doesn't matter since plas is a superhero he automatically has enough willpower to survive it anyway.
>>82243322
Haki isn't just about fighting logia users, they let you touch people like they had a normal body, Luffy for exemple, who is normaly impervious to punches because of his rubber body can get harmed by a haki punch like he had a regular body.
Who can beat Superman?
>>82243579
this was supposed to be for>>82243439
>>82243579
But he's a person that is made of rubber. Plas is essentially a semi liquid blob that has an intelligence
>>82243630
Luffy is a person with a rubber body. Plas is a stretchy thing that looks human. Or could Luffy survive being shredded and scattered on the sea floor of the pacific?
>>82243610
Doomsday, Batman, Wonderwoman, anyone with kryptonit
>>82243610
A large number of people if DC weren't so up their own ass with the Superman wanking. It is like reading something Starling wrote about Thanos and Adam Warlock.
>>82243666
He was a regular person who got turned into a living blob, Rayleigh, described haki as a power that let you touch the person's originalbody, Plastic Man original body is a human one
Do you see my point?
>>82243610
a BIGGER Superman
>>82241682
Anyone who knows Goku, knows he'd never kill an opponent like that.
>>82241940
Something that's completely irrelevant, as Superman doesn't have time powers.
>>82242140
Only idiots think this.
>>82243610
J'onn easily would solo the entire DC Earth if he wasn't such a jobber.
Depends on whether ki powers are considered supernatural enough to count as 'magic'. It's pretty much just raw, concussive energy condensed from one's body and spirit, and enough of it can disintegrate a fucking star.
And besides, the two of them wouldn't even bother actually trying to kill each other, at worst they'd just spar for a few weeks and eat twenty million dollars worth of cheap food apiece when they're done.
>>82243610
Darkseid is Superman's greatest enemy for a reason you know.
>>82243777
Why would Goku be killing Superman? I thought they were just fighting to win (or to get stronger, for the sheer love of fighting, etc. in Goku's case).
>>82243610
Whoever the plot demands.
Shit like "power levels" and "jobbing" sucks.
>>82243870
Light a match.
He's finished.
>>82243870
> If J'onn didn't suck, he'd be badassed.
>>82241430
(You)
>>82242449
>magic = ki
>>82243954
Only terrible writers make J'onn faint on the sight of fire just like only terrible writers make Superman faint in the presence of Kryponite.
>>82243692
>tfw Batman in peak conditions could beat Superman but Goku would annihilate Batman
>>82244172
This aplies to so many characters, anyone could beat superman with a piece of kryptonite, but they would still et wrecked by Goku
>>82244121
That's basically like saying a character having weaknesses is a terrible idea.
>>82244172
>peak conditions
i.e. Superman is being an idiot or is taking a nap
>>82241430
The question isn't one of power, or speed, or fighting skill, or whatever new powers both sides have gained. This fight was decided as soon as this happened. The moment Superman learned how to phase through matter and energy from the Flash, Goku can't win, ever. Superman can simply ignore whatever Goku tries to do. And because Superman is constantly recharged by the sun, and Goku runs out of power after a few hours at best, Superman can simply outlast him and kill him easily ponce Goku has no power left to draw on.
>>82244252
It depends on how you execute it.
>>82244226
Is that why Metallo and Kryptonite Man have killed Superman so often? Oh wait...
>>82244491
why cant goku just destroy the sun?
>>82243692
Well you got none of those right.
Reminder Goku couldn't kill Buu without help.
Reminder Goku couldn't kill Cell without help.
Reminder Goku couldn't beat Raditz without help.
>>82244172
What are you talking about? Batman has never beaten Superman, even with kryptonite. Even in DKR, when circumstance, Superman being an idiot and even the writer are all on Batman's side, who was on their feet at the end of that fight, and who was in the ground?
>>82244846
Reminder Cell's claim of blowing up a Solar System was a bluff to make him look arrogant and cocky
>>82244773
Because you can't punch an explosion.
>>82244846
>Reminder Goku couldn't kill Cell without help.
He can, he was just retarded. He literally forfeit his fight with Cell just to show off how stronk his son is even though he had Cell on the ropes
>>82241610
Plastic Man can survive millions of years after being blown to bits.
Luffy will drown in any water deeper than his height.
>>82244252
no its like saying that some-one who is afraid of spiders would faint at a picture of a spider, its retarded, superman should be rendered powerless and weakened by kryptonite, but he shouldn't just keel over in its presence, j'ohnn should actively avoid fire, but not fucking run away screaming every time he sees someone light a cigarette.
>>82241490
Funny enough he doesn't have feats that exceed Goku and Supermanyet
For now it's NLF
Key words being "For now"
>>82241940
Superman turned back time by flying really fast.
>>82243912
>Depends on whether ki powers are considered supernatural enough to count as 'magic'.
it doesn't really make any difference - because a 'magic' energy beam shouldn't hurt superman more than any other energy beam of equivalent power - but it's not counted as magic in DBZ (made clear in the babidi saga), and probably not in DC either.
if anything it's closer to the natural bioenergy stuff that powers superman and lets him fly.
>>82244946
Saitama is meta parody of the hero archetype and wins every encounter because he is a story device used purely to win fights.
The only characters off the top of my head that don't automatically lose to Saitama are a few characters from Medaka Box or God of Stories Loki purely because they also have Meta Hax.
>>82244942
Goku's weaknesses are tail grabbing and doctor needles. I'm pretty sure a magic mineral material is a better weakness.
Fuck this "who would win" bullshit. Here's a more interesting question, what would Goku actually do in the DC universe? How would people and other metahumans view him?
>>82245060
Magic still hurts Superman just fine. He-Man put a sword though his chest, for Chrissake.
>>82245220
Batman would be weary and then Vegeta would use galick gun on him and kill him instantly
>>82245060
Chi/Ki is considered a type of magic in the Marvel universe.
On the other hand, Marvel and DC have very different definitions of magic, so I don't fucking know.
>>82245218
And lasers.
>>82244846
He still defeated Frieza on his own
He chose not to kill Cell, instead letting Gohan handle it (if he'd eaten a senzu bean midway through he definitely could have done it)
He chose not to kill Buu right away (as Super Saiyan 3 Goku against Fat Buu)
>>82242469
that's gonna be the plot armor of death battle
>>82241610
Plastic man can't gear four
Luffy can
>>82241430
Jimmy Olson.
>>82245651
And what exactly does that do to help?
>>82246002
Considering Luffy is a battle genius and plastic man is a comedic relief character, a lot
>>82245547
He didn't kill Buu the second time around because he didn't want to have some manlet yelling in his face for the rest of his life about not getting a turn.
>>82244114
Not in Dragon ball
>>82244846
Reminder that Goku is exponentially stronger then he was when he fought either of those chumps.
If he were to fight them now he could obliterate them without any effort.
>>82245651
I'm pretty sure Plastic man can all the gears when he shapeshifts into a fully functional bicycle.
>>82246353
Unless they got a laser gun that is.
>>82245529
That was retconned in Super.
He powered down like a fucking idiot and was walking away when he was shot.
Goku could just teleport Superman to hell then teleport back to earth.
>>82246353
>lol it's later in the series so that means he's sooooo much stronger than the wiener babies he fought before
I hate DBZfags
>>82246394
Or a sports car. Or a fucking clock.
![3443090-9225204904-30846[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cyx6l3i.jpg "3443090-9225204904-30846[1].jpg")
Spoon!
>>82241524
Get back to me when he's destroying a universe.
And don't give me that thought robot, Superboy prime of One million shit.
>>82246433
Still means Goku can die to arms fire if he isn't paying attention making him super fucking weak when you think about it.
Batman could kick his ass without any shenanigans, just stealth and a tranquilizer gun.
>>82241682
That assumes that Superman doesn't get bored or annoyed enough by this scenario to just shove the person preventing him from saving millions of lives in the phantom zone, that Goku would keep fighting after Supes says he's not in the mood for fighting in the first place, or doesn't just get some help in a presumably but not necessarily convoluted plot to get rid of Goku which may or may not involve having to make out with his cousin.
>>82246433
In RoF and Super that scene pissed me off so much.
Frieza is Hitler in space, and Goku knows this. Goku also spared his life twice on Namek, and both times, Frieza instantly tried to kill him.
Instead of doing the right thing, Goku just tells him he can go terrorize space as long as he wants and come back whenever he feels like it. This motherfucker is dumber than TFS Goku.
>>82246460
>I've never read or watched DBZ the post
Also all Goku would have to do to beat Supeman is go into his original super saiyan god mode. That way he could use his red sun radiation to destroy superman
>>82246460
But...he is though?
Goku gets progressively stronger as the series progresses. When he fought Cell and Buu he couldn't turn into a fucking God or move so fast a time stop doesn't affect him.
Fuck ,every protagonist in anything gets stronger as their work progresses, this isn't a thing exclusive to DBZ, asshole.But I don't blame you for thinking that since Superman is pretty much just as strong now, if not weaker, then he was back when he was first made.
>>82246511
God, I loved that fight. Pretty much the only thing Super did better than the movies, and the movies sucked.
>>82246515
No, it means base form Goku can get his shit wrecked by a laser gun when he isn't expecting it.
After even one transformation he'd probably power through it or move too fast to get hit by the fucking thing.
>>82246511
You see that shit? What is happening there? He just stopped something that was going to destroy ALL universes just by being there.
And this? Here he is holding the death of an entire universe with his hands. That's right, the guy could easily grab whatever energy sphere of that purple pussy and shove it inside his mouth.
Beerus a bitch ass nigga.
>>82245529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpHeodMmXzM
Krillin tried to warn him about firearms.
>>82246515
and Superman can die to magic arms fire if he isn't paying attention
>>82246511
So Goku can provide half the energy needed to break down all the point particles in his universe. That isn't universe busting. That is one half universe busting.
>>82246826
Beerus could Universe Bust.
Goku is on-par with Beerus there.
Hence, Goku can universe bust
>>82246553
>>82246591
>Missing the point of my post
DBZ in general pisses me off by essentially treating it's characters as disposable "power level" fodder, and you faggots eat it up. It's hardly the only anime that does this sure but at least they don't shit on the other characters for not being strong enough.
Superman doesn't make every other hero in the DC universe obsolete by simply existing, this is doubly insulting considering, yes Superman is stronger than Goku.
>>82246826
Goku is 10 times as strong as he was in that scene.
What's the strongest version of Supes?
>>82246907
if Beerus was going less than 100% (which he was) but more than 50% (which he also was) and the two of them together created that effect then logically no, Goku can not achieve that on his own, unless one divided by two is no longer one half or Goku was not going all out, something he had no reason to do.
>>82246955
unless he has a defined level at that point (something Toriyami stopped doing a while ago because they were pointless), that means literally nothing.
>>82247033
Thought Robot Superman, who is literally a plot device incarnate who, by definition, cannot lose.
>>82246932
>Superman doesn't make every other hero in the DC universe obsolete by simply existing
>>82247059
Goku's defined level at that point is "70% of Beerus's maximum power".
>>82247169
Okay then. Unless we know Beerus' maximum power, that number is still meaningless.
>>82246511
>That "Animation"
Jesus Christ. Fucking Dragonball was better than this
>>82247104
Well he doesn't.
>>82247104
He doesn't. Flash is as Broken and Captain Atom is just bullshit.
>>82247104
>I don't read DC but I have seen images of Superman sneezing galaxies away in pre-crisis comics so I'm a fucking expert
>>82247216
Beerus's max power was nullifying the destruction of the universe, so it's a fair assumption that he could do the opposite at 100%.
But, let's go by your assumption. Goku was going at 100% in that moment, and Beerus was doing 70%. That would mean it takes 140% of Beerus's power to destroy the universe. Goku can do 700% of Beerus now.
>>82247169
>70%
Who the fuck is recording this at this point? Why Torysalami throwing out abstract bullshit percentages that can't actually be recorded and proven in or out of universe?
Why do you still watch this garbage?
>>82246932
>Superman doesn't make every other hero in the DC universe obsolete by simply existing
Goku doesn't too
>>82247327
Same reason you still read Superman, or just watch the movies. I don't know what you do.
>>82247327
Toriyama is a fucking hack. I can't believe anybody is watching Super
>>82247327
>strength levels need to be provable out of universe to be good
>implying power levels ever actually mattered after "it's over 9000!!!!!!"
What is the point of these threads?
Anime faggots will simply post bullshit speculations and when busted will just move to another character or anime.
Superfags will pretend there is only one Superman who is an amalgamation every single version of him and when busted they will pretend the most powerful characterization of him is the default one.
You people are the reason Powerman/ One Punch exist.
>>82247380
Still better than MoS and BvS
>>82241430
Why do powerlevels matter anymore, especially when it comes to superman. There power levels and shit is so stupidly inconsistent and OP that it doesn't even matter.
When you literally start writing "PSHOO and he's so powerful he punches you THROUGH TIME AND OUT OF THE UNIVERSE pshoo pchoo soo cool!" like grade schoolers arguing, there's no room for meaningful debate anymore. Superman punches Goku into the heat death of the universe and farts out a galaxy silver-age style because powerlevels are bullshit and the writing for both of them is stupidly ridiculous.
>>82247434
>One Punch
Has shit feats
>>82247353
Toriyama really does have fucking Alzheimers, I swear. Remember how Roshi was shown to have a power level lower than Krillians at the start of DBZ? And how that was under 200? Remember how Friezas shit tier grunts laughed at the Namekians having a power level of 1000 before they powered up? Remember how Roshi hasn't trained a day in over 30 years?
Toriyama doesn't. And don't give me that "Hurr Power levels are bullshit" bollocks
>>82247438
>This pile of shit is better than this pile of shit
You're still eating shit
>>82247353
>Beating nameless legions of redshirts is being useful
You sure showed me anon
>>82247406
I don't want to be that guy it seems that it's mostly Americans who can't let the powerlevel thing go. I blame the dub for keep using "powerlevel" to refer to someone Ki.
The whole Saiyan and Namek ark was supposed to tell you shit can't be calculated.
>>82247571
>Roshi is this strong for some reason but he didn't help anybody with the Saiyans or go to Namek
This is shit
>>82247582
They can be calculated and gauged to a point then it's just horseshit
>>82247517
Roshi has been sparring with 18 almost every day since she moved in because he keeps perving on her and pissing her off, of course he's gotten stronger
>>82247571
>You sure showed me anon
Glad you admitted you were wrong anon
>>82247353
If Roshi is this strong why the hell wasn't he taken to Namek or some shit like that?
>>82247693
It can't be calculate because it fluctuates retard, is not a constant.
They increase it and decrease mid battle, their "powerlevel" is Qi/Chi a chinese spiritual concept. Why don't you create a device to calculate peoples faith? The english dub destroyed a basic concept of the anime and turned it into a toy for autists.
>>82242008
>>82241805
Golden age wouldn't be above changing things from a fight to a test of skill. Saitama has almost no skill. Ergo there's a good chance Superman would win this.
>>82242383
She has magical cards. Superman has been one shotted by magical playing cards simply being thrown at him before.
>>82244850
It wasn't even a fight. It was Bruce attacking him while Clark kept on going "Goddamnitt, Bruce! Stop being an asshole" until Bruce "died" of old age.
>>82243915
>implying the greatest enemy is not Gilbert Godfrey's voice.
0/10 you Superfail anon.
>>82247969
>It fluctuates
Yeah, no. It "Fluctuates" due to shit tier writing from the most forgetful faggot alive
>>82247978
>Based Godfrey's voice not being god-like
Heretic
>>82248154
Go back to the Superpolice Superacademy! The Superjoke flew over your Superhead from your failure to appreciate Superlore you Superfool.
Now Superbeat it!
>>82248057
They literally spell it out for you when Vegeta arrives and any time anyone puls the stupid scouters.
They can change Qi at will, Goku and the others control it and change it depending on the requirements of the fight, it can be measured but is so unreliable it makes no sense to do it.
Why are you so butthurt anyways? I'm not saying DBZ is some patrician show but pretending to be retarded is another thing. It wasn't explained just when Vegeta came to earth but it happened like four times with Freezer, his thugs and the Ginyu. Either Americans put very little attention or I am underestimating how butchered the script got in your dub.
>>82248301
I'm not butthurt but there is a clear hierarchy to power in DBZ. And you responded to me saying "it can be calculated to a point" saying it can't but now you're saying it can be measured
I do like how you assume I'm American though
>>82246511
>Get back to me when he's destroying a universe
Kay
>>82248647
>>82248647
Forgot the first page
>>82248409
No one is debating the hierarchy but the retards that come here treating powerlevels like if they where a RPG mechanic
>Goku has a PL of 50 if I use SSJ that is a x5 multiplier he will have a PL 250 thus he can beat Freeza cuz his PL is 240
Did you see the show? Yes they could measure it but there was no point since it wasn't reliable, characters controlled their Qi and increase it or decrease it at will, it's never constant. Chichi can physically hurt Goku, does that make her almost as powerful as Bills?
The concept of powerlevel was dropped after Freezer ark, everyone just said shit like "Wow do you feel that Qi? Is fucking huge". YOU or anyone here can't do calculations about it since there are no numbers ad it's useless to try to make any numbers since each battle will have a different number.
>>82248837
I find it hilarious how it's all about "Qi" but the only way anybody gets stronger in this show is by lifting or getting fucked up
>>82248898
Sometimes seeing friends, family, or nice guys you just met getting killed or hurt can do it for you.
>>82246511
DBZ's universe are pretty small though. Not even that impressive. It seems like they only have 4 galaxies at best in it.
>>82248898
Because training is the way you increase your Qi aka "life energy"? Remember Dragon Ball started with the basis of martial arts?
And the increase of getting fucked up is an asspull yes.
>>82249011
They had quadrants, not galaxies.
Plus, galaxies are huge in DBZ. Milky Way alone has 200 billion stars in it.
>>82247517
to be fair he wasn't in his muscly form when bulma used the scouter
>>82249024
>Remember Dragon Ball started with the basis of martial arts?
Yeah and it was the best show of the franchise
>>82249092
>mah headcanon is true because I say so
No, there are 4 galaxies as of the original. Toryployama just forgot like he does everything and made it more because why not. This isn't Green Lantern either that they're filed away under sectors. And how the fuck do you know how many stars there are in the DBZverse Milky Way?
>>82241610
While I do like Luffy more, Plas would destroy him
>>82246141
No. It means fuck all. He can't hurt Plastic man
>>82247517
Powerlevels ARE bullshit. And Roshi wasn't using his muscle mode, he was pretty much in base.
In case you didn't understand the point about the scooters or Ki control, Z fighters don't usually have their Ki at full power like Frieza's grunts. They only power up when fighting, that's why Raditz looked at gohan and he had shit tier Ki and then a second later Gohan was on 1.5k
>>82249424
>headcanon
The 4 galaxies is your headcannon, they tell you each Supreme Kai watches over a quadrant of the universe.
At least read the manga if your dub was that bad. At this point it looks you are just parroting memes.
>>82249424
They're called quadrants. The only thing I remember where they're called galaxies is in the Broly movie.
And the hing about the stars in the Milky Way comes from Jaco's book
>>82249648
Guess Roshi is just a fucking coward then by not fighting the saiyans or going to namek
>>82241610
Plastic Man is crazy powerful because he is literally plastic.
But Luffy is... also literally plastic so I don't know the difference between them except for Luffy's Haki.
Is Plastic Man much for willpower because I always got the impression he'd rather not fight if he can. In which case Haki could just knock him out.
>>82241490
Second
>>82241430
No. Goku is literally faster than time now.
>>82241430
Honestly, no bullshit? Current Goku(pic related) would win against most versions of Superman, he's lose against the most absurd ones but those can be counted with one hand and some are not even superman but some retarded power given to him.
Honestly I'm more impressed about Hit freezing time in freezed time. It's cool.
>>82246515
>>82246552
You guys do have to remember that Goku also took a supreme beating before Frieza got tired.
>>82249424
Regardless of whether toriyama forgot, it was still retconned In jaco's manga and super. How you think that's "headcanon" is beyond me
>>82249794
I was really glad Hit ended up becoming a bro. The dude seemed like Coldsteel at first, but he was the best U6 character
>>82249794
>Honestly, no bullshit? Current Goku(pic related) would win
Here we fucking go
>against most versions of Superman
Well fuck me, a sensible man, it recognize Superman is not some amalgamation and that Goku can't beat all characterizations that exist of Superman.
We should argue what is the breaking point of the current Goku or what other Marvel/DC characters could defeat him.
Goku
Superman has no immunity to magic/supernatural/Chi/Ki based attacks. The kamehameha wave, which has been shown to possibly engulf entire planets would kill superman.
As for speed, it is hard to say, but goku and superman are most likely near equal in terms of raw speed not counting instant transmission
>>82249424
>No, there are 4 galaxies as of the original.
There are four quadrants you retard, the galaxy thing was filler.
>kids that watched dbz or followrd JL cartoon at my school back in the day
>dbz kids went on to be weeaboo losers that thought not being fat meant you were a lean ninja/sayan
>superman kids went on to do sports and get in shape
>weeaboo feels need to tell a superman fan superman is stupid and japan is great and dbz blah blah blah
>superman guy stays calm and just shrugs it off
>weeaboo goes over 9000 and hits superman
>superman kid a little hurt but a lot pissex
>hits weeaboo kid one time dislocating his jaw and KOing him
>walks off with S emblem on his tee shirt
Until I see a fandom encounter in front of my eyes that proves otherwise, Superman always wins.
>>82249011
>>82249424
Nice faggot
>>82248750
Guy on the bottom left kind of looks like Ultron.
>>82250016
Nice try*
>>82250005
I've yet to see a supesfag that wasn't some weedy little faggot like the DBZ fags.
And no, ripped people with shirts of the respective series aren't part of the fandom, they most likely bought the shirt as a cheap gym shirt or because it was nostalgic.
>>82249928
>No immunity to Chi/Ki
But... Ki is not magic. Ki is basically pressurized air given physical form. It's life energy which is an extension of one's physical body so its like a punch from far away. It's similar to a Hadouken, its more akin to getting hit with a cannonball.
Superman vs flash. Now that would be fun.
>>82245220
Considering how ki works in the DC Universe, Goku would just be a stronger alien Karate Kid. Nowhere near as strong as he is in the DBZ universe, but nothing to sneeze at either.
>>82246515
>Still means Goku can die to arms fire if he isn't paying attention making him super fucking weak when you think about it.
A laser beam made by Frieza(who has super technology) is not the same as "fire arms" anon. Hell a laser beam is already pretty powerful by firearms standard.
>Batman could kick his ass without any shenanigans, just stealth and a tranquilizer gun.
Goku can feel Ki(every living being has it) so stealth isn't a solution.
You should watch Dragon Ball sometimes so that you don't spout things that makes 0 sense.
>>82246552
You don't understand Goku's character right? You probably watched the dub where he was superman.
He couldn't care less about Frieza going back to his ways as long as he gets stronger and puts up a better fight next time, you do remember Vegeta killed his friends and Goku let him go just to fight him again right?
>>82250005
>>82250119
>Goku joins the JL
>Becomes the water boy since he is a bitch
Kek
>>82250005
Holy Shit. This.
Dragon Ball fans tend to be fat, disgusting little pussies. Specially in Mexico.
>>82249928
>but goku and superman are most likely near equal in terms of raw speed not counting instant transmission
pretty sure Superman is faster. He's not Flash levels of speed but he's pretty much the fastest non speedster in DC. and the Instant Transmission is kind of useless against him. just on the fact that Goku needs to focus and concentrate to use it.
>>82249657
>>82249698
>>82249856
Fair enough I've seen the dub and even then it's been years so my memory isn't the best. Still doesn't change the fact Toriyama changed it from being smaller to bigger
>>82250016
>As of the original
Learn to read complete sentences faggot
>>82249011
>>82249424
4 quadrants, north, south, east, west. It has to do with chinks and their myths. Like the white tiger, dragon, turtle and some other shit like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spqDRDgUIew
>>82250192
>Specially in Mexico.
That's because they really love their Dragon Balls anon. There's a reason the term "mexi beam" exists in Salty Bets.
Who wins between DIO with his stand THE WORLD and Adam Sandler from click?
>>82250238
>just on the fact that Goku needs to focus and concentrate to use it.
That's just when he wants to teleport to some faraway place.
>>82250284
Adam Sandler, before the fight he just goes into the menu and deletes DIO.
>>82250284
Now that you mentioned it.
Heaven DIO is pants on head retarded he could take both Superman and Goku at the same time.
>>82250238
First of all Goku is able to fight Beerus who is billions of times FTL so he's not slow.
Second, pic related
>>82250265
Jesus christ that Dragon is STTGL tier.
>>82250418
When did I say Goku was slow. I just said that Superman is faster.
>>82250508
He's not.
>>82250508
Just saying because some people think Goku is not fast. Also i'm pretty sure Clark needs to speed up to reach those levels and I don't know if he can fight at those speeds, while in Dragon ball they actually fight at those speeds.
>>82250561
>He's not
Supes flew a thousand times faster than light speed.
>>82250579
Not all Supermans are that fast.
>>82249787
>>82249794
Join the club
>people ITT are unironically defending capeshit
>>82250607
Why would purposely bring up weaker versions of Superman? Should we also bring up kid Goku too?
>>82250579
>Supes flew a thousand times faster than light speed.
And Beerus flew billions of times faster than light speed.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=26376
>>82250190
You are a retard but this is an interesting scenario.
Would Goku join the Justice League?
Would he invited to begin with?
Would Batman try to police him?
>>82250679
>people ITT are unironically defending weebshit
>>82250579
Goku is faster than time.
>>82250685
Every Goku is the same Goku
Not all Supes are the same Supes.
It should really be the main Supes vs Goku rather than combining them all into one.
