Why was he so much more creepy then his comic counterpart?
>>82032274
Couldn't say but seeing Lois dressed up like this made me feel kinda funny.
>>82032274
I think it was a combination of his creepy-cute appearance and his deranged, serial killer-esque voice.
The people who worked on the animated series gave significantly more of a shit than people working in comics.
>>82032274
They basically just turned him into a Batman villain. Childhood trauma, tragic backstory, creepy mental illness turned supervillain gimmick. And it really worked gangbusters. Not that Superman NEEDS all his villains to be like Batman's but a bit of variety never hurts.
Winslow Schott in the comics is either a pathetic old man or a pathetic old child killer (retconned into a malfunctioning robot) in the 90s.
>>82032274
Honestly I don't like this version of the character.
>>82032645
>pathetic old child killer
Ugh. Wasn't that the one in that death and return of superman special?
A better question would be why is even a challenge to Superman at all?
>>82032661
FUCK YOU.
FUCK YOU IN YOUR BUTT.
>>82032597
There's videos on YT where the people behind B:TAS describe the process for designing characters, pretty based.
>>82032715
link?
>>82032694
No U.
Creepiest damn cartoon villain
>>82032622
This. And it's freaking Toyman. STAS really did a good job of rehabbing some of Superman's worst rogues. GOAT Metallo and arguably the best Parasite.
>>82032274
Young Justice is about the only adaptation that didn't go for creepy. Even Supergirl's rather mundane version is unsettling.
>>82032843
I wish more writers would play up the manchild aspect of Toyman.
>>82032622
The thing with Superman's villains is that while his top enemies are among the best of all time (Luthor, Darkseid, Mongul who they waited until JL), his lesser enemies had to be given some form of reinvention to show why exactly Superman has trouble with them. The DCAU was always incredible about utilizing their rogues galleries and making sure you understood why the heroes are needed.
It's the voice.
I swear DC has some of the best VA casting in cartoons.
>Luthor
>Owlman
>Grodd
>Stephen Mandragora
>Volcana
>Poison Ivy
To name a few.
>>82033037
Yeah, but Toyman was never one of them. He builds killer robots. He doesn't even need to be in Metropolis.
The comics Toyman is just a harmless pedo.
>>82032685
Because his toys are usually military grade heavy artillery, killer robots, or just some weird shit like that not Play-Dough monster thing that kept growing.
>>82032675
It's actually the first issue right after the whole TDARoS event ended.
>>82032685
He may not be able to hurt Superman but he's perfectly capable of hurting humans (including children) so Superman has to be careful.
Honestly I don't think Superman himself has to be in danger for there to be tension, it can be a matter of wheter or not he gets to save people.
>>82032597
It's probably also because the cartoon writers are actual writers, and not just fanboys who got the job for "being fans."
>>82033829
This sounds like hyperbole.
How do you know it's true for one and not the other?
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>>82033078
You're welcome.
>>82033820
This is the thing that people who whine about Superman being invincible always omit. You don't have to kick Superman's ass to beat him. I mean, when you boil down what Superman is you get "The Man Who Saves People." He catches you when you fall. You hurt Superman the worst when you undermine that.The HEART, Osborn. First, we attack his heart.
>>82032411
Everything about DCAU Lois made me feel kinda funny.
>>82032694
Seconded.
>>82033820
Child-killing/endangering Toyman is the worst though.
>>82032992
>manchild aspect of Toyman
A modern version of toyman would be one of us, a shitposter on 4chan. He'd be shown plotting to take down SuperChad because he resents women liking Supes while having dinner in his NEET basement with his waifu.
>>82033857
Because STAS and the DCAU in general are almost universally praised and admired while the comics are VERY hit or miss.
>>82034024
>I mean, when you boil down what Superman is you get "The Man Who Saves People." He catches you when you fall.
Congratulations, you passed the Snyder Test.
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>>82034289
I think the hit and miss thing is more the comics not only went on longer, but would change hands over time and unlike tv where even with different writers things tend to feel more cohesive.
I don't know much about production but I don't think a episode writer of a show can do whatever he/she wants to the characters unlike comics, so you won't get "Goddamn Batman" right after "ole chum" Bats.
>>82032411
I know that feel.
>>82034265
I could see Toyman as the worst tripfag ever on /toy/.
>HAVE A TASTE OF MY HOTGLUE GUN SUPERMAN!
>NOT ONLY ARE YOU IMMOBILE BUT YOU ALSO SMELL LIKE SALTY PENNIES AND DESPERATION
>>82034024
>You don't have to kick Superman's ass to beat him
This.
I remember a comic where he fought the Royal flush gang and the whole thing was narrated by Ace. At the end when they are being arrested she seem Supes is hiding being torn up about not being able to save a bystander and taunt him about it saying they still beat him. Even as a kid that made me feel bad cause Superman's face as he flew away.
DCAU Toyman is fucking unnerving.
>>82033898
she doesn't get nearly enough appreciation. she did the boondocks too.
'A childhood is a terrible thing to loose Miss Lane.
But I'm getting mine back, with a vengeance!'
>>82035018
He really is us.
>>82034093
>Child-killing/endangering Toyman is the worst though.
I think this issue nailed him. He kidnaps children but cares about their safety and only wants to take revenge on some people (and adults in general) while the story still gets creepy at time.
Anyone in for a storytime?
>>82032622
It also kind of helps that Superman's villains outside of Luthor and Brainiac kind of suck. They must have really liked Toyman too because he had another appearance in Static Shock, a few in Justice League and then REKT Killer Frost at the end of JLU in a pretty great scene.
Not that I'm complaining, DCAU Toyman was great.
>>82036205
Oh my God, it's Pedo-Bear!
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>>82036205
Wait, when did Stern write Superman? I'm going to assume it was probably a good run since it's Stern and all.
>>82036810
That's always safe to assume with Stern.
>>82032274
Did they ever show his real face?
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>>82036681
>Hey man, this shit is grrrrrrrrrrreat!
>>82036205
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>>82037623
>Kerry Gammil- Late
fucking lol
>>82037679
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>>82034289
There are thousands of DC comics, even if they're "hit or miss" there would statistically be more good material coming from them than two shows that ended almost two decades ago compared to a publisher continuing to publish comics
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>>82037932
I think this page proves that you don't need to go the 90s way to make Toyman scary (haven't seen the animated series, though).
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>>82038049
Sweet dreams.
>>82038138
I like this, it's not just about stopping Toyman's creations, but about preventing innocents from getting hurt.
>>82038204
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>>82032274
well considering they've basically made him into a pedophile how much creepier can he be?
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>>82032274
I always thought he was the better incarnation.
>>82038744
Another reason I like this comic is because Superman tries to use words to bring the best qualities out of the villain.
>>82038890
The End.
You know, I think DC missed a golden opportunity to make a Toyman story last year at the height of "Five Nights at Freddy's" popularity. Just have Toyman create a bunch of giant stuffed animals that deteriorated over time so now look all uncany valley and voilà , fans will talk about it.
>>82034069
DCAU Lane is best Lane.
I like how she's pretty sardonic. Also, Delaney's voice is perfect. And purple eyes
>>82038924
Thanks m8 I am very interested in Toyman so that was fab. The touching ending reminded me of the B:TAS episode "Perchance To Dream".
>>82032274
What I liked is that Toyman wasn't the grimdark pedophile some comics try to paint him as. In fact, he tended to not give a shit about Supes at all unless he was in his way.
>>82033898
sadly she phones it in now, all the voice work on the recent DTVs is shit
>>82037592
>Last Panel
Oh, this is off to a perfect start.
>>82036205
Yeah, I like this too. The thing with Toyman is that he's sort of attached to his childhood, so he's got no reason to kill kids.
I'm not one of those people who thinks that all villains should be redeemable and not be too evil, mind, but in this case this is one thing that's out of character.
>>82039834
But then wouldn't we just accuse DC of pandering?
Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea but being topical never goes well here
>>82037592
that bear should not be around children for quite a few reasons
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>>82038924
I just realized that Toyman is a Moral Guardian with way too much time on his hands.
>>82040761
The comic could avoid being upfront about the FNaF references, leave it as a nice bonus for those who know, and just let word spread online.
Something can be done about kids loving stuff like FNaF and creepypastas in real life and how Winslow would react to it.
Maybe he thinks his old whitered giant toys are too scary for kids and is surprised when kids actually love them for that very reason, since they remind them of a videogame they play. He could either embrace it or be disgusted by it.
>>82043083
I think the idea of him using old toys to lure children, then being horrified when he finds out why they're really into it would be a great soul-crusher for him.
>"I just wanted children to love my toys, Superman. What does it mean...what could it mean when these children all love monsters..."
>>82043854
>"I just wanted children to love my toys, Superman, not MAKE love to them!"
fixed to properly fit the fnaf fandom
>>82043854
Damn.
That has to be worse than the time a company in-universe made toys based on Superman's villains but nobody bought Toyman's because he's too boring looking.
>>82040634
>The thing with Toyman is that he's sort of attached to his childhood
He's also always either middle aged or old, has an idealized view and expectations on childhood, and his toys tend to go for a "traditional" or "old school" theme. It's not hard to see him as someone disillusioned with the modern world, wich can always be put to good use in a story. I like to see him as someone who is too obsessed with the "good old days" as opposed to Superman who holds good old-fashioned values but doesn't look at the present with comptent.
>>82034725
>Toyman gets defeated by Superman trolling on /toy/ and shitposting about Toyman's favorite toys
>>82045932
>toyman kidnaps kids
>takes them to an island filled with toys
>they kick him in the dick and complain because there's no Call of Duty
Thoughts on this?
>>82032274
Uncanny valley works much better in motion.
>>82047144
Unfortunately, it sets a bad precedent, and makes him comic book immortal, because now anything that happens to him can just be 'oops, a new toy robot' -ed. Also, it makes no fucking sense when you consider how many times Toyman was captured or potentially x-ray visioned.
>>82047257
This. It especially makes no sense for the good asian Toyman to be made by the evil Toyman; they're two entirely different characters that have nothing to do with one another.
>>82047144
the asian one saved the world and was horny for power girl. NOPE.
>>82047257
Well he said they even fooled Superman. Superman villains should be OP to match his OPness.
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>>82047321
The issue does show he's crazy and believed his robot wife to be real, maybe it also works in reverse and was deluded into thinking the other two toymen (the asian and the jester) were robot of his, so he made the robot as "proof".
>>82048241
I like this idea.
Jester Toyman will always be my Toyman
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>>82041274
Now cropped for your board needs
>>82048415
Pure bear action
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>>82048500
Now in 3D
>>82034723
oh jeez..
