>sells the rights to his work
>complains when they're made into movies
>says Watchmen is a terrible film despite never watching it
Is Alan Moore a retard?
>>81978678
He didn't sell the rights to Watchmen though, he was conned out of them.
>>81978678
>sells the rights to his work
>complains when they're made into movies
He admits that's his own fault. He sold them thinking they would never get made looking to make quick money on getting them optioned. Then he gave all the money to the artists, which is a pretty cool move
>>81978741
>getting cucked out of his own work
So he's an idiot?
>>81978779
>cucked
Excuse me?
>>81978678
he's just old and grumpy
>>81978741
>>81978678
he never had the rights to Watchmen, and due to his own celebrity and "quality of work" created the culture of collections that really didn't exist prior to Watchmen and thus kept his work consistently in publication, stopping him from ever getting the rights
>>81978779
>So he's an idiot?
Circa 1985, the idea that DC would keep Watchmen in publication forever so that the rights never revert back to him wasn't something he saw as conceivable.
>>81978779
He signed a contract where the rights would go back to him after DC stopped printing Watchmen, I believe it was common practice back then. However, DC proceeded to never stop printing watchmen, so they kept it forever.
>>81978678
This guy should just be happy that the films made his name known among more people than just the stereotypical comic collectors. Dude is overrated as fuck.
>bitches about stuff being made into a movie
>says shit sucked despite having never watched it
>Moore is basically /co/ incarnate
>>81978818
is that really a different thing? Both are incapable of learning new things, prone to inexplicable violent outbursts, and unable to make new friends
>>81978678
He is a professional angry old guy, has been since at least the mid 80's.
His primary responsibility is to be angry and disgusted at something then bitch and rant about it for a month or two. Then at times he writes comics.
He was supposed to get the rights to Watchmen back when it went out of print, which was a common thing back then, and then DC never let it go out of print. And get money from merch which DC sold and labeled them promotional items I think
>>81978678
>>sells the rights to his work
NOPE
>>81980140
>Writes for a major company that keeps all the property rights as long as he works for them
>Never works for himself
>Complains about not getting in on the merch
Wow it's almost as if DC was owned by some giant media company that does this kind of thing every day..like Time Warner or something....
>>81978863
>>81978848
>yfw it's literally the fans' fault, because DC wouldn't have done this if the comic didn't keep getting bought up
>yfw we did this to him
>>81978678
No, he's deranged. Very different.
>>81980285
What does he want to do with the rights, exactly? Make a better movie?
>>81980392
He wants the same thing to happen with the rights as Tolkien did:
Absolutely nothing.
>>81978885
Tards can learn new things. But unlike grumpy old men, they are unable to empathize with normal damn stupid kids, instead of unwilling.
>>81980392
I think at one point, when he wasn't a grumpy old man, he might've wanted to make a movie.
>>81980460
Roll cunt
>>81980392
He doesn't want anything to be done with them, he wants comic books to stay comic books.
>>81980392
Moore, in general, doesn't want his work adapted. He conceived them at every turn as comic books and wrote in a manner to utilize that medium to its full effect. A good example is the infinite conversation in Promethea, which simply can't be adapted with the same effect.
>>81980528
Any movie with his blessing would not have had the same budget. But being connected to the production, he'd probably lose sight of how much it sucked, so it would be an even worse movie. Also, when the hell are they gonna make a new Swamp Thing movie? We have the damned technology, now.
>>81980460
>No Doom Wizard
Really?
But yeah, not that anon but I'm not sure how capable Alan Moore could be to empathize with today's youth.
Hell, 20 and 30 year olds today don't understand eachother because culture is changing so rapidly these days. It's ridiculous.
>>81980222
>>Complains about not getting in on the merch
Actually Moore's contract said he had to have say on the merchandise, and he was legally able to prevent them from making Watchmen stuff for years.
However his contract did not cover merchandise for the movie, and so DC likely chalked the whole endeavor as a win because they can make a Rorschach t-shirt now.
>>81978678
Watchmen is a terrible film.
>>81980460
lets see it
>>81980693
Since when do people understand each other?
>>81982510
Nice.
>>81978678
Not an idiot, just crazy.
>>81980460
ayyy
>>81980460
I want to be a wizard
>>81978678
Yes
>>81978678
Nigger lives in a chocolate factory. What do you think?
>>81978678
>Starting an Alan Moore troll thread
>In 2016
Very original.
>>81978678
>says Watchmen is a terrible film
This is true, though
>>81978678
Literally every time I here about this cunt it's only when he wants to fucking complain.
>>81978864
>Dude is overrated as fuck.
Aye, there's the rub.
This is what this threads all about. We get it OP, you have a little hate boner for Moore and his beard but your all tsundere.
>>81980460
Rolling for american
>>81983104
What if Alan Moore wrote One More Day?
This is really weird but is alan moore fat? Or is it just the beard and hair that give him that illusion?
>>81983027
It may have something to do with the fact that /co/ quoting his statements over and over again.
>>81978741
>he was conned out of them
But he wasn't.
He signed a contract saying he'd get the rights if DC ever stopped reprinting the book. Turns out the book was one of the top selling books ever and DC has never stopped reprinting.
Nobody thought it would be this big, but that's why you don't sign contracts like that. And it's not like he was some kid off the street writing his first book. He was an established writer who could have negotiated a better contract but was happy to take his money at the time.
>>81983192
Spider man would make a deal with a lovecraftian demon to have aunt may healed and his identity secret but only if Mary Jane became the demons harem slave girl. Then alan moore would return to write a story about spider man going to hell to save Mary Jane and the moral of the story would be alan moore likes superheroes but hates comic fans.
Why does he care about copyright shit? He's a fucking wizard.
Does he regret doing this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONGJs1l19aU
>>81978678
What would happen if one was to shave his beard?
>>81983592
It would be extremely painful
>>81983421
This would mark the introduction of Peter's Spider-Sanity, which allows his mind to grasp things that ought to kill any mortal capable of trying. The knowledge he gained on this escapade would cause other sentients to avoid and fear him instinctively, even as Peter Parker, giving him strange new reasons to angst like never before.
>>81983592
He would stab them.
>>81983696
And then more shitty with Mary Jane fucking the devil because moore wrote lost girls and has had a demon fetish
>>81982417
You mean a Rorschach toaster
>>81980460
Rollin'
>>81983861
Well, she was just so determined to become a witch to gain the power she needed to help blah blah noble sacrifice wasted by corruption blah blah vs Silver Surfer blah.
>>81983421
>>81983861
>>81983949
I never knew how much I needed fan art of Mary Jane as a demon Slave girl
>>81984031
Or a succubus, literally compelled to pound cocks to live.
>>81984083
Do we have a drawfriend who is willong to draw mary jane as a scantily Slave girl outfit clad succubus?
>>81978678
Reminder that Alan was all in favor of making Superhero movies as long as they were made in mature way. He only changed his mind after his deal went badly with DC
>>81980460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgaRd4d8hOY
>>81984201
Lots of crap like this out there already. Just imagine it's MJ.
>>81978848
>Go out of your way to make a comic that deconstructs the genre, insuring that it will be a classic
>The idea that it would never go out of print was inconceivable
So Moore just has no business sense ?
>>81980438
You mean Chris Tolkien. JRR didn't give a fuck. He didn't think anybody could ever make it into a movie anyway
>>81984315
Where should I look? What's the best website?
If anyone has read Watchmen, you can easily tell that it's tailor-made for the comic book medium. No matter what, it won't translate well to film.
Consider this: there are many instances where from one panel to the next, while the scenes change, the dialog/narration boxes segue seamlessly between panels - carrying over smoothly from one to the next (pic related).
Plus, there's the Tales of the Black Freight sub-comic and its juxtaposition with the main story. And many other subtle storytelling techniques used by Moore which are pretty much impossible to translate to film (especially if that film is being made by a dipshit Michael Bay Jr. with no intelligence or savvy for anything save some fucking CGI explosions).
Besides, Moore doesn't hate all works of his that have been made into film. He was pretty happy with the DCAU's take on "For the Man Who Has Everything".
>>81984417
gnaa.eu
No really, it's a private tracker. Just sign up for the forums.
>>81984470
>He was pretty happy with the DCAU's take on "For the Man Who Has Everything".
That's a more of a myth. Timm asked permission and he allowed it. He never heard if Moore liked it or even saw it. Even if he hated it, the fact that he gave them permission is reason enough for him not to complain
>>81984521
Kek to the website provided
>>81984562
The only adaption of Moores that he likes was actually a fan short film of an adaption to a cyber man story he did for a doctor who comic.
>>81984470
>>81980285
Trade culture didn't really exist until Watchmen
>>81983592
who is this qtpa2t
> Spends most of his adult life writing fanfiction for other people's creations
> Furious when other people borrow his ideas, even when they credit him as an influence
Alan Moore is indeed retarded. Specifically he's chip-on-his-shoulder, working-class-British retarded, which is one of the worst kinds of retarded there is.
>>81983192
One Moore Day
>>81985363
Gwen Poole
>>81984663
He also liked the JLU adaptation of "For the Man Who Has Everything"
>>81985379
His use of other creators' character has been more artistic than cash grabs like Before Watchmen.
>>81978678
The one thing you need to understand about Alan Moore is he doesn't much care for many things. He lost respect for the movies adaptations of his work because V for Vendetta was so grossly misinterpreted. Watchmen was more faithful, but he ultimately hated that adaptation too.
>>81985974
Which was a huge mistake. You can't give these corporate entities the merest sliver of your soul's labor, or they'll use it to bewitch and exploit a million people you might have called friend.
>>81985379
Kinda like people in anonymous message boards, right?
>>81986195
Not at all. No one else is retarded in the same way as that.
>>81978678
Moore in all likely hood could have been given a lot of money and creative direction in film adaptations if he cared enough to brave the stupidity of Hollywood
But he doesn't want to and has been burned enough to not care
>>81986145
Alan Moore has zero fucking room to complain about things that people do to characters that aren't theirs.
>>81985379
This. He's really a huge hypocrite.
>>81984470
I read Watchmen for the third time a week ago, and i realized that no matter who the director was, they could never do the graphic novel justice. Almost all the dialogue is rich, but can't be done in a movie unless there is a narrator. The guy before Snyder who was to make Watchmen was right, Watchmen can't be done as a single 2 hour film but a TV show.
Also the first hour and a half is almost page to page from the graphic novel. Except the Black psychologist is really optimistic at first and only on his 3rd visit, Rorschach tells him his story. Jenny doesn't appear in the interview that makes Dr M snap, Dr M was pushed into studying science by his father because being a Watchmaker was unprofitable etc I can see why these events had to be condensed or else it would be far too long.
The ending could be changed slightly with Ozy feeling doubt when Dr tells him that it never ends. But in the end, i think Snyder did a decent job.
>>81984521
>no nips
For what purpose?!
>>81986547
His huge changes have generally been improvements, though.
>>81986605
Posting on christian image boards, of course.
>>81978678
The fat guy from comic book men writes comics?
>>81986547
Sure, I understand that, but he was PART of the creative process, and ultimately Hollywood came TO HIM for permission. I think part of him didn't really want to deal with Hollywood, he just seems like that kind of guy and when he saw something he was a part of not be faithful to the source material he just walked away. What I'm saying is he wasn't invested in the first place.
>>81986741
If you deal with Hollywood, you become Hollywood. It's just not worth it.
>>81986832
Pretty much and he knows that. I'm sure everything he tried to change was thrown away and he was creatively ignored, because that's Hollywood. He seems like a very "difficult" person to "get along" with, meaning he is particular, but just look at him. lol
Alan Moore hates movie adaptations because he believes comics were made for this specific medium. Which can never be translated to cinema.
And it seems like most of his hate is because of his hate for Hollywood and the Comics industry. Hollywood hasn't made anything original in decades and just adapt shit, and the Comics industry has fucked over writers many times like Bill Finger. Stan Lee who constantly says that 'IN HIS OPINION, someone else created Captain America.' Instead of outright stating it as a fact, because the moment he does, the other family is probably entitled to a lot of money.
>>81987136
This. I find it amazing that NONE of the people who started and created these superheroes are even remembered or credited. That's slowly starting to change I think. I know DC credited the original creators/writer of batman in BvS.
>>81980460
rolling
>>81986638
Good point. There wasn't nearly enough lesbian sex in Peter Pan until Alan Moore took over.
>>81978678
>LOOK MOM, I POSTED IT AGAIN
>>81987136
Stan Lee didn't have shit to do with Cap, that was Simon and Kirby
Alan Moore is right about Watchmen.
>>81980347
What's this about?
>>81987459
Bob Kane and Bill Finger are credited in fucking everything that has Batman in it, even the Arkham games and shit
>>81978816
He's one of those idiots who doesn't understand the meaning of the word cuck, but uses it constantly because he's 12 and thinks it sounds cool.
>>81980222
>>Complains about not getting in on the merch
The man literally cried when he saw a sweatshop making V for vendetta masks.
NOT because he wasn't getting money from it you fucking nimrods
>>81978678
Do you think this man even remembers what a razor or electric shaver looks like?
>>81991288
>NOT because he wasn't getting money from it you fucking nimrods
How do you know why he was crying? He could have realized just how much of a profit they were making off his work and cried about not getting a cut of it. Sweatshops are cheap, productive, and indicate a large market value.
>>81983694
You're an old chap.
>>81978678
>you have to watch a movie to know that it's terrible
>you have to read a book to know that it's terrible
>you have to watch a tv show to know that it's terrible
>you have to listen to a song to know that it's terrible
>you have to play a game to know that it's terrible
When will this shitty meme end?
>>81990847
So from /tv/ then.
>>81978779
Well, it's very easy today to find a good lawyer for these things. To protect you, your creation, and your integrity.
These lawyers exist now because people like Moore were so screwed over by their lawyers, who claimed competence, but were unprepared and unequipped for this kind of work, or a client like Moore, whose work may not fall out of print.
>>81991744
Not that guy but Alan literally cried while reading his story about the abuse gay people endured. Somebody recorded it and put it on YouTube.
The guy is anything but a narcissist.
>>81984332
>insuring
>>81993664
Maybe it was tears of joy?
Who would win in a fight: Alan Moore or John Carpenter?
>>81978678
>believes in magic
Yes, he is.
Fun Fact: For years, DC Comics did not own Wonder Woman outright. The terms of their contract stated that they must publish at least four Wonder Woman comics a year, else they lose the rights back to the Marston estate. The only time this was at risk of happening was after CoIE, when Perez was preparing his Wonder Woman reboot. DC quickly put out a four issue Legends of Wonder Woman mini that year to maintain the rights until Perez books could start coming out.
DC has since purchased the full rights to Wonder Woman.
>>81983192
It would be like that one Patreon porn comic where ended up fucking his daughter while Mephisto watched.
>>81994941
>Doesn't believe in magic
LOOOOL
>>81984630
He does have a few themes he keeps coming back to. Like people being raped/assaulted but being okay with it afterward. Guy's got issues.
>>81983592
rape
>>81994941
>in a young girl's heart
>>81978678
Yes. He's fucking pants-on-head.
Watchmen sucks, Batman sucks.
>>81996569
Believe it or not, adults can be raped without being emotionally destroyed. Especially if they have important stuff they gotta do, like save the world.
The thing that was great about watchmen wasnt the story, it was how Moore used the medium to support the narrative. The adaptation has some good points, but misses the mark entirely because its a direct adaptation.
I disagree with Moore on a lot, but he is right to disparage a film he's never seen, in this instance. I dont need to eat a turd to know it will taste terrible
>>81996771
I remember that doujin.
Was it ever scanned in full? Here's a recent pic from the same guy.
>>81978678
>Watchmen is a terrible film
It is.
I'm always surprised how fucking influential Moore is. His ideas and concepts crept into popular culture and really took root.
I wonder if anybody told him about Concrete Revolutio and how it's part LEOG, part Watchmen Nippon Edition (just with less rape).
>>81997281
It's more like X-Men meets X-Files, with Japanese cartoon tropes as the MotW.
>>81997850
The fact that it poses the question of how superheroes would influence actual historical events is very Watchman.
And the near constant onslaught of thinly veiled stand-ins for obscure fictional characters is very LEOG.
It really doesn't have much of an X-Men connection. Even when it deals with similar themes, it's far less of a "Lookit dem gays!" and more of a "What are the political ramifications here?!"
>>81997940
It's way more X-Men than Watchmen. The only purpose political figures serve is driving certain conflicts in the background and occasionally providing monsters to fight. Meanwhile, radical teams of costumed minority genotypes are pursuing their own interests and sometimes coming into conflict with the governments of the world and galaxy and each other.
>>81997940
>The fact that it poses the question of how superheroes would influence actual historical events is very Watchman.
that's a question that's been asked since the very concept of superpowers was conceived
>And the near constant onslaught of thinly veiled stand-ins for obscure fictional characters is very LEOG.
I see you've never read Lord Byron's epics
>>81998038
>The only purpose political figures serve is driving certain conflicts in the background and occasionally providing monsters to fight.
That's pretty blatantly wrong. The entire conflict revolves around the socio-political impact of having superhumans in your world.
There's a lot of cloak and dagger type intrigue and a brewing Civil War conflict.
Dealings of the Fumers, the Imperial AD agency, the Superhuman Bureau, the Americans and the Student protests are what drive the entire plot. The fights are almost always pointless or counter productive and the show has the nasty habit of blindsiding the heroes with reality at the worst of times.
There's also the small factor of the supers not being part of a singular minority but having very diverse origins, goals and philosophies.
This is an entire universe of heroes, not some subsection and feels nothing like X-Men.
>>81989729
Old man is King Kirby and everyone listed stated that Kirby inspired them
>>81998138
>that's a question that's been asked since the very concept of superpowers was conceived
You mean the propaganda comics of the 40s?
I'll dare you to find something that did it with any kind of gravitas and actual thought put behind it previous to Watchmen.
>I see you've never read Lord Byron's epics
You gonna find employment with a degree in Liberal Arts?
>>81998178
>Civil War
You are just drawing the stupidest possible connections with this show and western comics. The political machinations are manufactured as needed to set up the fights. Nostalgia is the star of Concrete Revolutio.
>>81998311
Repeating yourself doesn't make it true, sorry.
The show often cuts to credits before a fight even really starts and only revisits the conclusion several episodes later. That's how not important they are as long as the plot moves along.
Hell, it took us almost an entire season to find out if Raito survived his fight with Jiro.
95% of the show is not about the fights and nobody in the threads discusses them either.
The entire non-linear storytelling puzzle box is what you're supposed to be paying attention to.
Also nostalgia might be a factor, but given that most of these things predate everyone in this thread by 20 years and is occasionally so obscure that only a hardcore japanophile would get the reference, I'd say the show has other stuff going for it.
>>81998461
That sounds like you and /a/ being autistic about a really simple show. You don't have to catch all the nostalgiamon to get a kick out of it. But I guess you like turning cartoons into a research project, so I'll leave you to it.
Even if criticisms made here about Moore are right, and they aren't at all, Watchmen still comes out as one of the best, if not the best, comic book made to this day.
Because of an innumerable amount of choices made to make it a criticism of everything comic books are. A deconstruction of just how terrible people would be to have a faux entitled morality as Ozymandias or Rorschach. How empty Dr Manhattan would be, to be basically Super Man. It goes on and on, until the end where they deal with the corniest possible disaster imaginable with an enormous death toll.
It parodies everything it is, and it still holds up because comic books have not improved or advanced in their tropes since, but have only taken more and more of a nose dive in terms of writing.
Alan Moore does not want a film made of his comic, because he knows that no matter what they do, studios will make a comic book film, and not an actual drama. Nowhere will these criticisms of the medium be made and focused on, in anything but the structural. It will be marketed, and created, as a "Dark & Brooding" comic book movie first, and be infected with the same tropes all comic books have and do, played unironically, played without the same level of critique.
And that's why he's pissed and doesn't want it made. It's just a comic book made to showcase the terrible writing of comic books, and its thesis could never fully be made into an entertaining 2 and a half hour film, without breaking its own thesis.
>>81998461
>those uniforms
>Marines
Into the trash it goes.
>>81998860
Those guy die. Then the marines show up and actually apprehend the superhuman.
>>81980460
cough
>>81999022
Oh, well that's a relief.Do the Marines that show up actually look like Marines?
>>81998750
I think nothing highlights this more than they had to change the ending of the film version, because a genetically engineered giant squid alien straight out of a 50's movie blowing up in New York killing millions was "too corny". Missing the point entirely that it is too corny.
You have to make it relate to the comic book characters, and the only one capable of destruction is Dr Manhattan. You make it about the heroes of the comics, like all comic book films do, and less about the message. That you shouldn't rely on individual people to be always right, always moral, and always saving the day without a hitch; senses of righteousness create monsters in men, and monsters with power are always incredibly dangerous. While the film touches on this with its own ending, it fails to hit the mark because it refuses to go the extra step to criticize comics in their entirety for dealing with corny monsters causing genocide, without the body count being mentioned at all.
Like I said, it's just a comic book shading the weaknesses of the format, and making a film version will fail to fully touch what was thought, conceptualized, and painstakingly drawn.
It's why Moore liked the awful early script treatments, they'd just show case how awful Hollywood is with film and how awful comic books really are.
Warren Ellis recalls a phonecall with Alan Moore
https://youtu.be/fS0r3VNdV_k
>>81998860
>>81999084
Is it ever even specified that those soldiers were marines?
The more important question is Emi or Kikko?
Keep in mind that they're both horrible people.
If you can even call them people.
>>81999537
I thought one turned the jerk part of the other into a leopard-man so she could stop being sexier than her.
>>81999625
Yeah but that just made the other one blander. Now Emi is actually kinda cool older sis type while Kikko barely takes five seconds to start screaming SEMPAI! whenever she sniffs Jiro somewhere.
The last episode made me think they should just go lez instead of chasing after a guy who'd rather stick his dick in his Robocop buddy.
>>81978678
watchmen is not as good as the book...blaming manhatten when it was psuedo aliens...for shame niggerwood
>>81999765
Emi's a bit more demonic in season 2 so far. And Robocop is fucking losing it.
>>81983335
>that's why you don't sign contracts like that
That sort of clause was standard at the time. Moore's neverending bitching about it might be one of the reasons why comic creators are now more careful with these things.
He's grumpy and old, but not unreasonable.
The fact that he acknowledges JLU's superior version of "For The Man Who Has Everything" is proof of this.
>>81998750
You mean superhero comics.
There's plenty of strong booms that aren't just that, but nobody cares about them.
And really, is it so wrong for something like the superhero genre to persist? What it morphed into is contemptible, yes, but just because they aren't realistic doesn't mean cape comics are inherently without value. The problem is their prominence and the logical, moral dissonance that goes unchallenged.
Kids can have their Spider-Man and Batmen, and interesting stories with actual thought weaved within these narratives are fine, but the problem lies in the unending, unchallenging megalith of the endless status quo superhero saga. The Crisis Events and big reveals and retcons and all that garbage trying to pretend it's more just to con some manchildren out of their pocket change is the heart of it all.
>>81998750
most of those criticisms are, if not straight up invalid, derived from an absurdly shallow reading of comics and fiction in general.
>>82000351
>Should we end a genre, and stop artists and companies making entries to it?
>Should we allow it to continue, because it has merit in our eyes?
Screw you regardless.
>>82000359
It's entirely on point for the average output of the companies perpetuating the genre, more so now than even back then. There's always exceptions, but your big iconic books are very shallow and poorly written.
Look at what happened to Batman, Superman and Spider-Man after Watchmen. Clark as a person became increasingly nebulous and the writing mostly fell into thoughtless nonsense. Bruce and his writers have practically begged for his death for decades. Peter's arc grinded to a halt after over 20 years of steady building, he was sold out for shitty fads and trends, and all illusion of consequence was robbed from his franchise.
There's good books, but Marvel and DC at large are still exactly as Moore depicted them.
>>82000515
That's not what I'm implying at all.
I'm saying that Watchmen is trained rather specifically on superheroes and the culture and standards DC and Marvel set with shallow, thoughtless work is the problem rather than any particular genre of work.
You can't tell people what they can and can't make, but a company can sour art by pumping out garbage.
>>81983266
He's rake thin. In that Mindscape doc about his life you can see his spaghetti arms.
>>81983266
Not in the American sense, but he probably has a little pudge by now.
>>82000359
What I said is perfectly valid, what has come since Watchmen doesn't count for what mostly came before in the Silver Age.
People, blank slates with little to no characterization, fighting crimes, protecting you from the vague desperate Other out to take your wallet and take your wife, that never had problems of their own, and never committed crimes themselves. Justice pornography.
To slowly morph into science fiction. Aliens could commit genocide instead of people to sell to its audience, age below 18. Squid monsters, or things from another dimension that could simplify the problems of the 20th century world.
The effects of what comics were in marketing are still felt to this day, infected in Hollywood's cinema, the comic book industry of Marvel and DC, and our simplistic views of the world influenced by media.
Nothing he wanted Watchmen to be could be brought to the screen without it being influenced through the very eye of plot influence through marketing he was criticizing. He couldn't, and/or doesn't believe it could be brought to light in the way he portrayed it, and so he wants nothing to do with it.
The book ends with people disregarding genocide by a fake corny monstrosity from another world. So does every comic book then, and now.
>>82000351
I never said super heroes don't need to exist. But the problem is, that it gives kids what they want to sell the most copies.
Women like Silk Spectre that exist only for their sex appeal, and not for girls growing up, their bodies on display for every ejaculation. Gods among men who serve the American way like Dr Manhattan. It goes on.
Stereotypical children's toys designed to fight other space aliens first, toys designed to fight caricature maniacs second, toys designed to fight impoverished criminals born through violence surviving by violence that can be shoved to the side as nothing more than evil goons third. Without a hint of irony most of these characters are aliens, maniacs, or violent criminals beating people or killing people.
Nothing is explored.
Only without the characterization that can help them grow as people in a world they're forced to confront, a world paradoxically, more ready to crimes small and crimes large among societies, by not giving them valuable lessons in moral and logic.
Comic books have long been about selling copies and not what they truly aspire to be, and so do the movies that reflect them. Even if well written, it cannot criticize itself very easily, without the ideas being scrapped before being written or drawn because the bottom line has always been the dollar bill and not art.
>>82000997
Kids don't buy comic books anymore.
>>82001075
That's exactly my point. Neither do most adults.
The less people buy, the even more willing they're willing, desperate even, to make it as mass marketable as possible. Accelerating its problems as a medium, and limiting its strengths.
when it boils down to the basics, what is he so buttblasted about? That DC "conned" him out of the rights to stuff he admitted he sold for a quick buck, or is it other artists using his characters without consulting him? Which totally isn't like that pedobait garbage he did with other people's characters or is he just extremely autistic
>>82001126
He's probably mad the only original thing of worth he's done, in his mind, might not get recognized as what it is in the future. And respected for the wrong reasons.
>>81978816
It's called a metaphor, buddy.
I think what showcases the criticism in Watchmen best towards the comic book industry is how Rorschach defends basically everything done by the United States in the "good days" when he grew up, and defending the atomic bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima to put an end to the war. But is morally outraged when millions are killed by Veidt's method.
>>82001117
>to make it as mass marketable as possible
There's no mass entertainment market anymore. Just a galaxy of niches. They should have done what Hiveworks is already doing years ago, with the added candy of potentially allowing successful members to write big names someday. They kind of missed the boat by now, though.
>>82001933
>There's no mass entertainment market anymore
Partially true. Now comics have to worry about appealing to their film counter parts to new readers, and film is most definitely mass marketed, focus group marketed, keeping the problem going. What was made during the mass marketed era is what people remember through nostalgia's heart shaped glasses, and once you have that fixed into your story and what people expect in film, its kind of a self perpetuating creative game over at that point.
>>82002002
>focus group marketed
Also not a thing anymore. Such data is now extracted directly from the public via datamining and tactical use of social media presence. It's more accurate, and much cheaper after initial setup.
>>81990847
Don't you got a black bull to prep, cucky? Don't keep your wifey waiting.
>>82002157
>Also not a thing anymore.
You're being so generous in thinking that the entertainment industry makes actual sense.
>>82002177
They don't have to make sense. They hire the same companies they always did, and those companies have switched to datamining because it's cheaper and more effective.
>>82002292
Yes and letting the audience choose what they want is the same result.
It's pathetic how some capefans are just so brainwashed by their corporate masters that they can't tell the difference between a work created with artistic intent (Lost Girls may be shitty erotica but it was shitty erotica intended to be art) and work created as a pathetic cash grab like Before Watchmen.
>>81978678
Yes, and he plagiarized the burning alive, saw off leg scene from mad max.
It's also funny that some cape fans don't comprehend that some people just like comics more than movies. It's like they need movies to validate their interests.
>>82002332
It's not about what they choose. It's about what they react to. It's not an interview process. It's more like thousands of robots following thousands of monkeys, and a server somewhere spitting out based on the observations which single tree in the jungle to cut down to make them dependent on feeding machines without starting a territory war. Except the monkeys also buy the robots from you, and every monkey keeps one on their shoulder to show tribe loyalty.
>>82002501
So the comics book industry is ok and not totally creatively fucked as it always has been because for some reason they don't follow focus groups and mass marketing anymore even though they do, and go for another kind of mass marketing for consumers not at all influenced by nostalgia and their previous creative efforts no matter how shoddy.
I totally understand your motive and what you're saying.
>>82002333
Who didn't see Before Watchmen as just a cashgrab?
