So, what is the appeal of this comic?
>>81857180
It was funny, for a while, and had some great artwork and imagery.
>>81857180
>THE TRUTH IS. THERE IS NO PLOT.
>NOTHING IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING EVER. JUST A LOT OF BULLSHIT LIKE THIS. WITH CAKES AND CARDS FLYING EVERY WHICH WAY. AND YOU ARE JUST SITTING THERE.
>FROWNING AT IT.
kids and fun
>>81857279
I miss metastuck
>>81857180
Update culture, fan theory and discussion, and massive community.
I guess the comic was nice too.
You have to be autistic to understand.
Fan adventure about derse and prospit politics when?
In retrospect, most of my enjoyment came from HSG rather than the comic itself.
>>81857296
Make more content, don't let it die.
I'll be doing requests tonight after work, hopefully threads will still be fine.
>>81857247
Also, it began seven years ago, so a lot of people grew up with the comic and fandom.the nostalgia won't make me forgive that ending
>>81857180
it's marginally better than questionable content and sinfest
>>81857360
anyone who says act 6 is bad has zero taste
>>81857348
>hopefully threads will still be fine.
the pause between threads is getting bigger and bigger
i'm pretty sure the mods are secretly banning everyone who makes a thread now too
>>81857388
I didnt really like calliope and the pirate crew shenanigans to be honest famalam
>>81857279
where's deviantart?
>>81857348
I can't draw, though
>>81857373
Yeah this is pretty much the biggest factor, is that most of the fanbase went through a big chunk of "formative years" with this comic
Some even came out the other side a lot richer in connections and skill
>>81857423
figured out how to alchemize hunk rump: yaois edition
>>81857423
She tired to go god tier, but her weight cracked the quest bed so she just died.
>>81857396
Two threads ago the OP said he got banned (but he was still posting?). A lot of people might be working at this hour, which could explain the slowness.
I think if these threads die, I'm going to give up on hsg entirely. the /trash/ thread is too cancerous even for me.
>>81857180
Vriska's titties
We would have probably been able to deal with Act 7 if Collide didn't suddenly raise of expectations so much.
>>81857484
Of course the /trash/ thread is cancerous, /trash/ is where cancer is categorically supposed to go, so only cancer can survive there
It sucks, but the only place we can actually exist is a board that hates us and will be glad when we're gone forever
>>81857180
It's a fun interesting comic with an underwhelming endingseriously I liked it all the way up till the retcon stuff, and I didn't even dislike that as much as most people. I liked act 5 and most of act 6
>>81857423
>where's terezi?
>>81857453
Who cares, you can probably make something as good as this right? Why not do requests for fun in MSPaint.
Like Problem Sleuth, multiple fronts of interaction sustain and develop the comic entertainment.
Unlike Problem Sleuth, its broad level of characters and meaningless tasks make the comic very shallow and unsustainable.
Due to the meandering nature of the early acts no one will give a fuck about trolls unless they some sort of reading Stockholm syndrome and keep reading anyway.
>>81857360
Was there a reason he liked Dirk so much?
He seemed to legitimately like the guy inside of his overly dramatic rampages.
Was it because of his connection to Cal?
The appeal isn't the comic, the appeal is watching an internet "celebrity"'s life fall apart in real time
>Hated by the music community for trying to control them
>Got cucked out of 700,000 OF HIS FANBASE'S KICKSTARTER MONEY by the developers of King's Quest
>Eclipsed in fame and prestige by Toby "Radiation" Fox, his protegy
>Even tumblr thought his ending was shitty and gay
NATIONALITIES OF /HSG/
Where do you hail from, o hopeless man?
http://strawpoll.me/7378081
Italian here.
>>81857388
I think the problem with Act 6 is that is all objectively bad. It has a lot of bad boring stuff, but really it is just different from the Homestuck fell in love with, and thay combined with the weak parts and the years of pauses kind of soured the experience.
>>81857568
Pretty sure it was because he was so "cool"
Shitty anime and Dirk drawing him porn probably helped a bit too.
>>81857360
Keep it squared on, easier to read and it looks more like a lazy clusterfuck
Will there ever again exist a place quite like HSG?
>>81857582
How do we save him?
>>81857180
It was good once
>>81857306
>Update culture
What even is this
>>81857632
We don't.
Just let him do another, smaller scale project. It won't be as big as Homestuck, but it would be something he could actually enjoy without the stress.
I think that the ending of Homestuck has convinced me that, while it's fine to have a lot of red herrings and ambiguity in a story, it's extremely important for the ending itself to be absolutely clear and unambiguous. Otherwise you end up with people filling in the blanks with increasingly complex explanations, and appreciation of the work gets bogged down in that logical exercises rather than emotional investment in thematic elements.
>>81857632
He can only save himself. No one can help him.
>>81857632
Only one real option, senpai
>>81857696
Problem Sleuth 2.0
Is this what Lostfags were like at the ending?
https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/4et7j8/clearing_up_basic_misconceptions_2/
did anything of note happen after cueball started reading the space bible I gave up on the comic around then
>>81857582
>Toby "Radiation" Fox
Literally who
>>81857790
You know who it is, bitch
>>81857544
It would probably take me months of practice to reach this level. Yes, I am serious.
Some people are just naturally bad at art.
After the end, I just ended up naively thinking fanfics could fill the void.
There's so many written so well, people who put so much passion and writing ability in something that reads like a published book, but is actually a fanwank.
I found a great one about the kids being transported to Ancestor Alternia as an effect of the scratch, and seeing it was 36 chapters long I just dived it.
I loved it.
I wonder when the next chapter is going to come out.
>Last update: 2014
Oh well
>>81857673
It's crack in story form, given to you frequently, but unpredictably.
>>81857700
Yeah, between Star Wars Rebels and now this, I can't see ambiguous or open endings as anything but lazy storytelling.
>>81857843
Nothing makes me more sad than a good writer wasting their talent on fanfiction
Then again, since they're writing fanfiction, maybe they're not good writers to begin with
>>81857700
P.S. Analyzing the logic puzzles in Homestuck was fun but it was exhausting. That's a fine tone for the bulk of the story, but the way it is now, I'm exhausted by the ending. These aren't conditions where catharsis can take place. Ideally, the ending would cause all of the tensions built up by the rest of Homestuck to be released. But instead, the ending is presented to us as yet another puzzle.
>>81857882
>Then again, since they're writing fanfiction, maybe they're not good writers to begin with
That's not really an argument unless you want to be an edgy kid about the whole thing.
>>81857594
Israel.
That feel when that one shitty fanart of kids (some of them troll/human hybrids) is made by an Israeli. I want to find her and kill her for bringing shame upon my country.
>>81857878
Rebels isn't over though.
I mean the Ahsoka thing is bullshit but I'm 95% sure that was mandated, Filoni believes Ahsoka's story is pretty much done moving forward in any way, he just left a caveat so that if some other fuckwit wanted to carry her on and was approved they have the ability to.
Like Boba Fett in the Sarlacc but intentional.
>>81857878
They're lazy, but also extremely safe
They're safe because some fucking autist will write up a way too detailed analysis on how it's brilliant
EXAMPLE 1: Minor Autism:http://screenrant.com/lost-finale-explanation-kofi-61464/
EXAMPLE 2: Moderate Autism:https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/4et7j8/clearing_up_basic_misconceptions_2/
EXAMPLE 3: SEVERE EIGHT HOUR LONG AUTISM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHMta4YbjSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd-MdI-imT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlF4FEJ4DYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqp3hMV6_fE
>>81857700
It is fine for an ending to be somewhat ambiguous, but this was ridiculous. Most characters have no real closure, the primary villain's defeat is uncertain, and certain loose ends need to be tied up.
>>81857913
I'm being pretty serious. Fanfiction gives you a crutch in that backstories, characters, settings, etc are all done for you.
Ever notice how you sometimes lose track of a fanfiction once a new setting and or original character is introduced? That brainfuzz is because you see the writer's genuine ability come in and often times it will disappoint you.
http://mspfanventures.com/log.php?s=12003
fans are better at writing the story than it's actual author
fuckin' unbelievable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXgPNyd45A4
You piece of fucking shit Andrew, you goddamn brainless moron. You had all these absolutely incredible songs made by talented creators, producing absolute gold like this and what do you do, you stupid fucking animal, what do you with them? Nothing, nothing at all you cur, you son of a pig, you mucus golem, god fucking damn, god fucking damn Andrew, look at where you are now. Look at how you wrapped up your fucking mess of a story, without ever using this song. Fuck you Hussie.
LONG LIVE KING KARKAT
Slowpoke that i am I just realized kanayas rainbow drinker swiftness is a reference to the speed of the candy corn vampire from problem sleuth
>>81857963
The Umineko one is especially pathetic because he wasted 8 hours (end that's just the length of the finished video, he probably spents magnitudes more making it and reasoning it out) on a theory made up on things he clearly misinterpreted, things that go straight against declared canon, and pitching for a resolution for the story that doens't make sense from a writing standpoint.
It's like watching a 16-hours long flat earth society video.
You can't help but pity the sight of someone so dedicated to something that's so objectively wrong.
>>81858008
>>81857882
fanfics work best as writing exercises. like you said, you have most of the work done for you. imo i definitely agree it's a waste if it's all you do, but it isn't without merit.
besides, dante's inferno is literally fanfiction,
>>81857962
FUCK K8TNEP!!!!!!!!
i am ready to bet my money that he did that edit about epilogue bc he relised that he already lost half of potential merch/hiveswap buyers with that ending and continued to lose more with every second oh my god
>>81857878
Ambiguous endings are necessarily bad, it's just that it's often used as a crutch to avoid wrapping up elements that should have been wrapped up
Look at Watchmen, whether Rorschach's journal ever sees the light of day isn't important to the story Watchmen is trying to tell.
>>81857882
What is dante's inferno
>>81857882
>Nothing makes me more sad than a good writer wasting their talent on fanfiction
One of the biggest musicals of the last decade was based on Wizard of Oz fanfiction
>>81857373
Thanks for playing!
>>81857700
The ending is mostly unambiguis. We know what happens it just isn't ever shown
>>81858088
No shit retard.
>>81858088
good job, Sherlock
>>81857962
Hello there, I missed you! There were no sign of katnep in previous thread, i was kinda worried
>>81858167
>>81858068
Having Virgil as a character doesn't make Dante's Inferno a fanfic. Virgil was a REAL LIFE poet, but Dante's Inferno just has him as a guide.
Now Virgil's poem, the Aeneid, now that IS a literal fanfiction. It's about Aeneas after Troy gets wrecked.
But somehow I don't think your Kingdom Hearts x Steven Universe crossover fic is gonna be at the same level of the Greeks
>>81858200
I'm arguing that if this kind of response is possible, then it's not nearly unambiguous enough.
>>81858262
One of the best selling works of fiction ever was a reskinned Twilight fanfiction.
So you're wrong.
>>81858262
In 500 years university lecturers on the hypernet will be discussing the deep and meaningful relationship between a fat jewish kid and a talking duck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8sBtl3WYZo
i'm fucking crying pham this comic used to be so good
>>81858014
This is definitely better so far
>>81857843
This fanfic does the same metanarrative stuff as Homestuck proper except a thousand times better, and it's funny as hell
It's not just a good fanfic, it's good lit in general. Like, it's actually legitimately genius.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/2427119/chapters/5371283
MANGAKA
I just realized something.
We never got to know what it specifically was that made the lime-blooded trolls throw the caste system off balance.
Was it... Was it REALLY their ability to calm down the highbloods? The pap pap thing? Was that fucking it?
That can't be it, right? That's a karkat thing, right?
>>81857332
Matt and Ian have just the right amount of cynicism and apathy to make a good derse comic if they put their minds to it.
Love their stuff and this is one of the forgotten pxs comics.
>>81858014
> latest update is the dead trolls
nope
>>81858343
this is probably the most stupid explanation I've seen
>>81858479
>taking calliope's fanfiction as truth
>>81858014
White the art is beyond FAST AND LOOSE, the writing is miles and miles better, the plot feels more natural and the dialog seems both more natural and more in-character.
Damn it Hussie, why did you have to be such a hack.
>>81858014
didn't make it past the first page, dialogue is flatter than vriska's ass
>>81858479
I mean, it's been stated that if Karkat wasn't a mutant, he'd be somewhere around Jade-blood. So, not too far off.
we don't see le's defeat because the juju takes you out of the story
this is shown to you in the comic
It isn't ambiguous
>>81858496
To be fair, that Eridan is supposed to be the result of the Erisplosion.
>>81858244
True love never sleeps but sometimes I do.
>>81858071
eat my boogers etc.
>>81857582
Punished Huss, a man denied his fanbase.
>>81858014
I feel like the ending made you guys retarded. This adventure sucks ass.
>GRRR THE ENDING MADE ME SO MAD THAT HOMESTUCK IS RETROACTIVELY ALL SIT AND EVERYTHING IS BETTER THAN IT
>>81858556
Then what wil the epilogue be if we are out of the story?
>>81858549
Where was this stated? I don't remember this at all.
>>81858343
There will always be who read way to deep into something, the existence of BKEW proves this. We have all the info we need
>John: hey thanks to my retcon powers we can just leave and fight caliborn whenever we want
>caliborn: I WAS MINDING MY OWN BuSINESS AND SuDENNLY THESE KIDS SHOW uP AND WE FIGHT BuT I TRAP THEM IN THIS JuJu
>vriska: hey guys I found this juju that summons the souls of four legendary warriors to kick LEs ass!
Anyone can fill in the blanks. The endings problem is hussie going "gee since the ending has already been alluded to I guess no one wants to see it and instead I can spend this nine minute gorgeous animation on shit no one cares about"
>>81858556
>make lord english the big baddie
>only shows up 3 times; twice to show himself and the last time to fight some shitty trolls
>>81858474
EXCUSE ME.
THE PHRASE. IS "MAN GAKA."
>>81857247
>had some great artwork and imagery
>literal MSpaint tier
>>81858479
That was never going to be answered. Hussie is saving it for Hiveswap.
>>81858527
Considering hussie outsourced 80%+ of the last bits of homestuck's art, he could have just gone the extra mile and outsourced the writing too. Tbh Hussie's one true strength is dialogue, the guy can write a motherfucker of a pesterlog, but otherwise it's iffy at best
>>81857582
Here's hoping he'll pull off a Problem Sleuth end And that he'll do it in the next two months.
>>81858607
>muh big baddie
there are like 7, and he cannot be killed
>>81858556
You're using the wordplay of "takes you out of the story" to justify two completely different effects, just because they can be described with the same wording.
When John was "taken out of the story", the story continued and he was very much a part of it. When the four kids were "taken out of the story", the story continued and they were still part of it. So why, when English was "taken out of the story", does the story need to end immediately?
I'm not saying the theory is WRONG. But it's not intuitive and it certainly isn't unambiguously true.
>>81858603
> on shit nobody cares about
because we needed another ten minutes of video game fights
>I WANTED TO SEE JOHN HIT LE WITH A HAMMER
>>81858591
What's the wrpg joke? That crpg combat looks like a weird slap fight?
implying Caliborn wasn't the hero
So. Anything good and not totally embarrassing to wear coming out of that WLF contest?
>>81858590
>>81858633
They should have just kept Noir as the main antagonist. At least he had a reason. Lord English is just there to be a threat.
>>81858601
I'll have to dredge through webpages, but I believe it was answered on Hussie's formspring. Or, whatever that archaic site was called
>>81858652
Yeah and most importantly it makes a fucking shitty ending that doesn't actually resolve anything.
Who fucking cares how LE is "defeated", nobody except WV and maybe MAYBE Dave had satisfying character development.
>>81858652
because the story of Homestuck ends when the defeat of the villain ends the loop
>kids enter their universe
>later sacrifice themselves so that LE can be born
>sacrifice is used to beat him millennia later
all that needs to be tied up is the fate of the kids after the juju is used on English
>>81858659
It's not even that, fifteen seconds if animation of the kids squaring off against le would have made the whole thing better. But also yes people did indeed like the video game animations and more of them would be good
>>81858603
>Anyone can fill in the blanks.
No, they can't. Because no one is quite sure how the juju actually WORKS. All of the proposed mechanisms are fan interpretation, and the way the juju worked on John, giving him retcon powers, seems different from the way it worked on English.
Without knowing the true workings of the juju, nobody can be certain of the ultimate fate of the kids or English, or what it means to be trapped inside of it.
>>81858674
LE didn't even kill anyone who wasn't already dead though
>>81858668
Caliborn would be really easy to work into an honest to god anti-hero.
He has some of the best actual development of any character.
It's just that he designated to be the villain and English got no characterization.
>>81858721
He destroyed two universes shown in the comic and ruined the lives of 28 kids solely because he could
>>81858719
>Because no one is quite sure how the juju actually WORKS.
Vriska fucking explains how it works. It summons the souls of "four legendary warriors" who came close to beating him once
>>81858714
>all that needs to be tied up is the ending's loose ends
>>81858737
>English got no characterization
he's Caliborn but he honks and is big
Condy is LITERALLY Meenah in personality
>>81858773
which are confirmed to be tied up
>>81858737
Did Caliborn actually do anything wrong? I mean, he didn't kill anyone who wasn't already dead and existing on borrowed time anyways.
Damn it, I'd even prefer the shitty plot twist that Calliope turns out to be LE. It was so annoying to get introduced to Caliborn and pretty much immediately guess he was LE as soon as we learned Calliope is a Cherub.
So this Nepeta is Chat Noir, right?
>>81858632
>inb4 the epilogue will be just as shit and dissatisfying
>>81858746hi it's me FISHBONE anon. Personally I don't care about UT and you guys should've stopped a long time ago too. You're becoming katawa shoujo general. And honestly? Let all the homefucks migrate over to memegame fandom nobody cares. Even tumblr agreed that the ending was shit.
>this image we were all laughing at a week ago has been accepted into the voting period for the contest
>>81858837
>Did Caliborn actually do anything wrong?
No. But he states outright he wants to murder all non cherubs
>>81858892
J U S T
>>81858892
hope it wins 2bh famm
>>81858771
>VRISKA: That the weapon actually contains the souls of some incredi8ly powerful warriors of legend who came close to 8eating him once, so he trapped them inside the charm and 8anished it into the void.
>VRISKA: And if that's the case, then... I guess the weapon just releases them so they can finish the jo8?
>VRISKA: Guess we'll find out!
>VRISKA: Should 8e exciting.
And then we never got to see what it actually did, and it was not exciting.
Vriska doesn't know. Her interpretation raises more questions than answers. If the kids truly emerged from the juju, then how did they defeat the unkillable demon? How can we be sure that he was actually defeated?
The tone of Vriska's explanation, as well as the animation itself, suggests a different outcome... that English was actually drawn into the juju and became trapped there with the kids.
But who fucking knows, right? It could totally go either way.
>>81858892
>>81858892
lmao
>>81858837
>Did Caliborn actually do anything wrong? I mean, he didn't kill anyone who wasn't already dead and existing on borrowed time anyways.
Dave literally gripes about this exact subject and he never gets an adequate answer.
>DAVE: i dont give a damn about lord english or his nebulous atrocities out in nowherespace
>DAVE: what kind of villain is someone you never met who hardly did anything evil to you or your friends directly
>DAVE: or even to anyone in your universe for that matter other than through some vague insidious influence
>DAVE: who even is this guy and why should i hate him
>DAVE: am i really supposed to be pissed off at a green muscle monster i never met
>DAVE: cause i aint pissed off at no muscle monster
>DAVE: hell wasnt he in some ass backwards way responsible for us existing in the first place?
>DAVE: or all of humanity for that matter??
>DAVE: maybe i should thank him before chopping him up via welshscalibur
>>81858837
honestly at this point i'd rather they were his children or ancestors or whatever. as wonderful a character he is caliborn's whole point as backstory for english failed.
>>81858892
Why do 99% of racebent characters look ugly as fuck? I don't even mind them on principle, it's just that they always look like muffinheaded freaks.
Pic related is a good example of an ambiguously raced Jade.
>>81858601
From the Wiki.
>>81858892
i can't pinpoint which part of that jade is the worst but i can't look away
>>81858928
>If the kids truly emerged from the juju, then how did they defeat the unkillable demon?
Dave has the cue ball sword.
>>81857423
In the trash, where she belongs
>>81858963
Hussie seems to think that acknowledging a problem with his writing is the same as fixing the problem.
>>81858968
Eh. It's kind of a weird situation where Caliborn's journey to becoming LE is very good but it just doesn't work as a backstory for LE
If Caliborn is LE's descendant then what is his place in the story?
>>81858609
RTFC
>>81858963
You can literally see Hussie writing himself into a corner with this, it's poetic.
D--> Lowb100d
D--> Come quick
D--> This is a matter of e%treme urgency
what the fuck ii2 iit thii2 tiime
D--> I need your assistance
D--> Neigh
D--> I command that you assist me in this most e%cruciating computer problem
oh god equiiu2 what diid you do thii2 tiime
D--> I was promised musclebeasts
D--> Or hoofbeasts at the least
D--> Of a trojan classifi%ation
D--> Instead i was presented with this b100 screen
>>81858892
Are these supposed to be crossovers?
They aren't even recognizable as the beta kids.
>>81859012
Don't interact with the retards. Also as of the Masterpiece Caliborn mentions that they are far stronger than they were complete with near caliborn tier levels and a bunch of fresh magic boons.
They future selves in the Juju are far more competent. The cue ball is the cherry.
If I edited an abridged homestuck (not a rewrite, just a resequence) would it be worth it?
I'd cut out a lot of troll shit, the majority of the early act 6 intermissions, all of the retcon timeline leading up with aranea, but still leave it so it ends the same?
You'd have to move things around for meenah etc., but I think it could be done.
actually saying all that I don't think it's worth it at all.
>>81858928
>this thing is clearly alluded to and we see Calliope trappind the kids inside it and know they have the means to beat it but because that wasn't directly shown it means nothing
Please tell me you aren't this retarded
>>81858963
>cause i aint pissed off at no muscle monster
A double negation? Sounds pretty AAVE to me senpai :^(
>>81859089
Do it anyways.
>>81858837
I assumed he was trapped in the same kind of causality loop as the kids. The story required a villain, and like Jack he was happy to step into the role if only to get away from all the aggravation in his life but he never really had any other option. His defeat and realisation that he was defeated, essentially, by cut-scene power to be a stepping stone for someone else could have even pushed him to the kids' side or at least break the game so utterly that the cycle could be broken completely.
Then again, I also found Caliope incredibly irritating and, worse, boring. Making them the villain was clearly wishful thinking on my part
>>81859019
He thinks he's so fucking clever, I hate it. Like, wowww, you know what cliches and narrative structures are! You can't deconstruct shit by just making the characters shout "I AM CURRENTLY IN A STORY, ACTING OUT AN ARCHETYPE, AND I DO NOT LIKE THAT."
>>81859068
And yet another potentially hilarious dynamic left completely unexplored! yay
>>81857916
your country's actions already bring shame upon it
>>81859113
Also sounds pretty Texan, which Dave canonically is
My only problem was the shitty merch. Only t-shirts, accessories plastered with generic logos, plushes, books, and really expensive small vinyl figures.
Otherwise, I really enjoyed Homestuck. I hope the game is as good as the comic.
Everything weird with LE/Caliborn is because Hussie is a weirdo who flagrantly insists on only characterizing his antagonists through similar proxies. Jack Noir had Spades Slick in the Intermission, the Condesce had Meenah, and LE had his younger self, and, to a much lesser extent, the other beings who turned out to be part of his aggregate soul.LE never had any actual character, just like how the Condesce only had a few lines as a hollow echo of Meenah and Jack barely got to interact with anyone once he was turned into a dog god.
>>81858737
>>81858837
he made homosuck, which was the literal warping of reality. Johns method of stopping him may not have been the best, but he did need to be stopped from that shit.
>>81858790
that's the very cynical view. it seems unlikely to be the case, though. dude was ancient, and was actually doing a lot of weird shit we only got bits and pieces of (namely, building up cults, cities, societies, intergalactic empires, etc. to worship him).
>>81859140
we sort of had a related premise in one of the first paradox space comics.
>>81859012
Well it would be nice if we were actually told that that happened and weren't left to wonder. That's what ambiguity is. Dave killing English is contrary to the discussions at the end of Act 6. By all indications, the story was telling us that killing Union Jack would fulfill the prophecy. If it doesn't, then that's a red herring, and when there's a red herring that isn't revealed to be a red herring, that's ambiguity.
>>81859019
>>81859131
this isn't hussie-exclusive, it's a classic trademark of shitty writing
acknowledging your problems without actually making any attempt to fix them is just a sign that the author doesn't fucking care
>>81859140
I explored it right there for you bro
>>81859164
I do think Jack Noir got some characterization of his own. Sure, we didn't spend as much time on him as we did Spades Slick, but he was a "playable character" who got some focus.
>>81857882
>Aeneid: Fucking garbage self insert Trojan Cycle Fanfic
>Divine Comedy: bullshit theorycrafting based entirely on headcanon
>Paradise Lost: Villain Apologist Trash
>Ulysses: Odyssey AU written by an autist who can't spell
>>81859152
Could be. I'm not that good with American accents.
Vriska could be a good, fun supporting character who doesn't ruin the comic, but Hussie bungled it.
>>81859089
Nah do it. Cut all the shit out of it though.
Fuck, make your own intermissions to skip all the beforus shit and the like.
Also, commit to optimising narrative punch or comedic punch.
Clearly narrative needs more assistance right now but the point is don't over emphasis shit to be kept in your final cut just because it's a good joke. If they want all the jokes they should read the whole thing. What you're making should just be a pure story cut. Minimal relationshit too. Pretty much the only ones that matter at all are John Roxy and Rose Kanaya
>>81859214
Well I'm from the same general area of Texas as Dave is, and I can say that people do talk like that sometimes
>>81859190
We're in a Homestuck thread so we're not talking about anybody else, who fucking cares.
>>81859131
Like the whole "people don't have arcs" thing
>>81859201
He did, and not getting more was one of Hussie's first mistakes. He was much more enjoyable before he became an even greater threat. Bec Noir, as terrific as he was for an atmosphere of danger, was more like a virus than a villain.
>>81859243
I'm just saying, anon
Don't get your shit all twisted in a knot over it
okay you know what fuck it
give me the names of two characters
any two charactersreferably characters that have spoken in-comic
I'll try to create a short dialogue between them as I did in >>81859068
quality not guaranteed
>>81858671
Ikimaru isn't likely to submit anything this time because of all the hate she got for it last time.
>>81859164
thats cos no adults were allowed to be significant characters. LE is fully characterised through caliborn, gamzee, equius and AR. does he need to say anything? we know what hes doing and who he is
To that Italian guy of little faith who just yesterday said to me on this very general that I shouldn't hope for Togashi to start drawing again:
GET FUCKED NEW CHAPTER IS OUT
>>81859140
>write out every possible interaction for me
>please
You're a fucking retard. Things needed to be narratively tighter not weighed down with further trolls.
Plus no story worth its salt would do all that. You're in the story for whatever conflict the few or several characters are. Off side shit like that is a bonus at best and unnecessary at worst. Expecting it is the height of idiocy.
>>81859287
Die and Spades Slick in dreambubbles.
>>81859258
Or a tsunami.
>>81859268
I'll get knotted by Jade's massive dog genitals as much as I want, thank you very much.
>>81859287
Sollux and tavros
>>81859287
eridan and caliborn
>>81859287
Aradia/Jake
>>81859304
i meant 'regular speaking characters' rather than 'significant characters'
>>81859253
I would like to imagine that is a jab about how Dave is the only one with a properly coalesced arc
i cant tell what homestuck really is
im not sure if i am looking at fan art or the actual comic sometimes.........
what???
>>81859228
Native Houstonian,can confirm.
>>81859351
What, fucking Karkat in the ass?
>>81858892
I like that Rose though
this looks like something Klasky Csupo would make in the mid 00s
>>81859351
Rose's was alright too.
Neither were all that great though, but they were present.
>>81859367
That's because half the comic is glorified or sub-par fanart now
>VRISKA: And if that's the case, then... I guess the weapon just releases them so they can finish the jo8?
>VRISKA: Guess we'll find out!
>VRISKA: Guess we'll find out!
>VRISKA: Guess we'll find out!
>VRISKA: Guess we'll find out!
>>81859120
Yeah, people would appreciate it anyway, even if you don't finish. It would be a great way to reread or get new people to read.
WAIT A MINUTE SHITLIPS, GO BACK AND OFFICIALLY NAME THESE FINAL ACTS, DOUBLE FUCK!
>>81859393
Only part of Rose's issues were resolved, though (her inability to let herself be loved). Her issues with authority, her control-freak-ism, and so on were just kinda swept under the rug
>>81859400
>authors never use in character dialoug to tell things to the audience. Anything not done by narrator/hussie means nothing
>>81858790
GIRL. YOU THERE, GIRL.
GIRL, QUIT ALL THIS SCURRYING AROUND.
DO YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN ESCAPE ME BEFORE I ARRIVE?
HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO OUTRUN ME
WHEN I AM ALREADY HERE?
Doesn't really have the same level of characterization as
uu: FUCK. TRY USING YOUR SUPPOSEDLY BETTER SMARTNESS THAN MINE.
uu: AND THINK SOMEWHAT LATERALLY. ABOUT LIKE. FUCKING CULTURE. THAT ISN'T *YOURS*.
uu: YOU DUMB BITCH.
or
THIS IS THE WORST THING THAT'S EVER HAPPENED TO ME.
AND BEAR IN MIND THAT ONE TIME, MY LEG WAS BITTEN OFF. AND I TRAGICALLY LOST A SISTER TO MURDER.
>>81859466
WE NEVER FUCKING FOUND OUT
>>81858591
>>81858534
What the fuck are you fucking talking about?
Karkat's conversation to the Condesce alone has BTFO the ending. That conversation seriously needed to fucking happen in some sort of way and it's goddamn shame that it'll never canonically happen.
>>81859226
JESUS christ there is barely one narrative event in this comic that is acceptable for any reason other than that the whole thing is a joke. a 'pure story cut' would be godawful.
you cant extract a good narrative from homestuck without leaving the jokes in, it only ever worked to the extent that it does because you can never tell whether its serious or not
>>81859036
>It's kind of a weird situation where Caliborn's journey to becoming LE is very good
i really agree, in fact it was the only thing that kept me interested in the comic for a time. the sad thing is, you NEED the rest of the comic for it to work. the whole cherub reveal was honestly incredible, and so well done too; the way people hinted that Calliope's horns might have been fake, the sequence of her taking off the gloves, goddamn.
but again, it could not have worked if we didn't see lord english beforehand. so yeah, no idea how caliborn could have functioned any other way, but the end result was lackluster.
it really was 'journey, not destination' in this case. fuck you andrew.
>>81859319
yes give me a hard one right away will you
You wake up in some stupid desert. It's hardly waking up, now that you think of it. You never fell asleep. No, you were decapitated. All this work to track down Lord English only to get your head chopped off by a kid in pajamas. Diamonds Droog would never let you hear the end of it.
And just when you thought you were alone with your dead thoughts for a while, Die makes his usual entrance. The vaguely nonplussed, completely dead kind. He asks what are you doing here. You tell him being dead, what do you think idiot. Okay, he says. Don't swear at me, he says. He'll put the pin in, he says.
You give him a good smacking over. Being dead doesn't mean being invincible, unluckily for him. He'll really pt the pin in, he says. He's already got the juju. You say go on then, what are you waiting for. He puts the spades pin into the juju.
You were already dead.
GREEN TORSOS DOUBLE KILLED: 1/15
>>81859393
Rose indeed had an arc, but it wasn't really explored after Cascade.
The retcon wasn't kind to her. Instead of solving her drinking problem, it just magically went away. Then the whole Jasprose thing happened, and that ended with her throwing a fit. There was no real arc to be found, nothing really resolved
That, and she never played the rain. I thought that was a big part of her arc? What with how reckless she became in act 5 and trying to break the game, while in reality making matters worse. Playing the rain and solving her planet's quest like she was supposed to would have completed her arc perfectly.
>>81859317
1.I didn't expect it fuckmunch. I don't sit around hoping for ANYthing HS related I've learned not to do bullshit like that years ago. I just commented that out of 100 million combinations of character dialogues that could've or couldn't have happened that would've been pretty funny
2. HS is absolutely worthless in every point of view. It's literally the most retarded thing to argue about "quality" and "integrity". nigga that shit was thrown out da window years ago
3. Oh guess what else ya vapid cunt! Not one but three trolls canonly live with the humans. How many brain cells did you pop over that FACT?
>>81859415
All we can hope in are fanmaps now
http://rafe.name/niklink/homestuck-map
>>81859415
He gave up homestuck by this time.
>>81859538
>Die makes his usual entrance. The vaguely nonplussed, completely dead kind
fucking lol
that's some good shit anon.
>>81859487
Or maybe you just don't want to accept it despite it being right there. I'm not gonna say explaining the climax off screen in unclimactic parts of the comic isn't shit because it is, but it's there
>>81859493
This.
>>81859190
"If there is one thing that Homestuck taught me, it's that meta-narrative is the last refuge of the hack."
>>81859385
Yes. Now you too can have an arc but fucking crabcrab
>>81859304
That rule was always stupid and limiting. A ham-fisted insistence that adults have to be like they are in Peanuts in a ~Coming of Age~ story. Well, newsflash, Fauntleroy; coming of age means you grow and have closure, which almost none of your characters actually did.
Remember how cool it was when he broke that rule for DD? Why did he just completely ditch DD and CD/DROLLGORG? Why did he kill off AR and refuse to have anything to do with him 4 years ago? Why did he think having a final villain who is introduced speaking go completely mute with no explanation afterwards would be a worthwhile decision?
>>81859588
>explaining the climax off screen
It isn't. It's only implied they get released. For all we know, the plan failed.
>>81859493
I am talking about the first fucking page which includes such highlights as
ROXY: curse those meddlesome clowns
JOHN: i don't like clowns.
JOHN: anyway, my handle is ectobiologist.
ROXY: :o no way
ROXY: i love ectobiology!
JOHN: really???
Who deserves the most bullying?
Karkat or (Vriska)?
WAIT
WHY THE FUCK DID PM ONLY TAKE WV TO THE METEOR TO BE REVIVED?
COULDN'T SHE HAVE TAKEN AR AS WELL? AND WQ/WK?
>Inb4 she couldn't carry them all
She could've transportalized the bodies before she went through herself and then tossed the bodies through her magic portal to the green sun.
>>81859715
Karkat
>>81859653
It's not even implied they get released. The animation implies that English got sucked in.
>>81858343
This makes a great deal of sense, both thematically and mechanically. Unfortunately it's difficult for the comic to make this clearer without further trapping the kids within LE's grasp, or the characters outright alluding to being in a comic.
>>81859653
No you're just an idiot who doesn't understand how storytelling works.
Vriska wouldn't have gone out and got that if she didn't think it would work
When did you first fall out of Homestuck, and how did it happen for you?
It was the summer of 2013 for me. Or whenever that huge hiatus was that had Caliborn laughing at the end, doing that one shitty pose Hussie's self-insert did. Whatever. I was still HUGELY into Homestuck then, like the comic still had it's magic for me and I was dying for me. But there wasn't going to be much for a while, so I got into other things. OFF sounded interesting... And getting into it made me realize how much I missed video games. So, I started getting into that again, and gradually just lost all interest in Homestuck.
Final nail in the coffin for me was the stupid Vriska shit, and the retcons.
"[S] Enter" is the best flash
You can't prove me wrong
>>81859725
I agree. People can only be revived via life powers once, right? But still, GT Fef was there. And inb4 somebody says 'AR's head was cut off'. nigga look at dirk.
>>81859725
WV wasn't dead.
>>81859747
4/13/16.
Act 7 happened.
damn roachpatrol just btfo vrisrezi
>>81859725
WV was just bleeding out?
>>81859747
I lost interest around Fl1P.
Didn't come back until Game Over.
I still haven't read most of act 6.
Don't really care, though.
>>81857360
Caliborn is the true hero of homestuck
>>81859747
[S] Game Over
It wasn't really the update itself that made me quit
It was when I realized that I didn't care about any of them dying
After years of being absolutely absorbed in the comic, I didn't care about so many major characters just dropping dead
So I left until a week ago.
>>81859715
>doomed Karkat dies
>all of his doomed friends realize he was a shit leader all along
>they bully him
>even Tavros pushes him around
And a random doomed Karkat has a better character arc than post-retcon Karkat.
>>81859747
I don't think I ever fell out of/with homestuck. I've only been here since late 2012, so I missed primetime shitposting, but I've just been strung along the comic vaguely interested to see how everything would be wrapped up.
I had the bar set pretty low by the retcon so I guess it doesn't matter.
>>81859756
You just like Sburban Jungle.
[S] Cascade is the best flash bar none from a technical and dramatic perspective.
>>81859329
uM, sOLLUX,
what
cant you 2ee iim two pu2y for your 2hiit
yES, i CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT YOU ARE, rEALLY BUSY,
bUT,
dID YOU HACK MY LEGS AGAIN,
why would ii even hack your 2tupiid leg2 a fir2t tiime
of all the thiing2 on thii2 bulge eatiing meteor ii would choo2e your robot leg2 to chack
doe2 that 2ound logiical
nOW THAT YOU SAY IT, lIKE THAT IT SORT OF, dOES NOT,
bUT YOU DID DO IT EARLIER,
oNE HOUR AGO, aCTUALLY
what iif ii told you
that al2o wa2 not me
and that there2 2omeone here capable of mind control
!!!!!!!!sorry for fucking this one up but I did not guarantee quality
tavros is hard to write for
>>81859747
First it was murderstuck. Then it was when they went into detail about dreambubbles. Then it was John<3<John (or did that happen first? I can't remember). Then it was Tavros x Gamzee. Then it was Karkat <> Gamzee.
I had a very off and on relationship with Homestuck.
>>81859798
wwho
>>81859089
I'd read it
Thinking about rereading act 6 just for caliborn, I'd love to waste less time
>>81859747
I feel out of homestuck during the huge haituses, because how could you not? You can't have a comic go from UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE 7 TIMES A DAY UPDATE to "see you next year folks!", it completely kills the pacing. Homestuck is already convoluted enough when you are keeping up with it, you are fucked if you expect people to keep up with, and remember, all the shit a year later.
OFF was pretty legit. I still listen to music from it.
>>81859584
thank you, thank you.
>>81859335
...
Anon, I...
if you wwanted some prime highblood seadwweller hatesnogs you shouldve said so
I REGRET. EVER EVEN STARTING THIS CONVERSATION.
WHAT THE FuCK WAS I THINKING.
>>81859715
Both
>>81859774
>>81859807
I'm pretty sure he was dead, and revived by a god-tier Feferi ghost.
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006284
DAVE: is he dead
ROSE: We should be able to get him some help along the way.
And a year later:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006590
>>81859747
Game Over. I literally only watched the rest to see more Caliborn.
>pic related
OFF, hetalia, dangan ropa and many other fanbases lived and died between homestuck. Holy shit.
>>81859860
Pretty good anon!
>>81859860
I'd say that this is okay but its been so long since I read a log with either character its hard to judge
Also a troll with mind control shouldnt be a revelation
>>81859894
Literally me
>Hussie betrays and cons the entire Homestuck fandom
He's gone into witness protection by now, right?
>>81859977
obama's entire presidency was within the lifespan of homestuck
>>81859983
Act 7 Vriska is so fucking hot
>>81860004count the !'s, anon
she's 8een found out
>>81860004
It's not a revelation so much as it is 2ollux indirectly calling Tavros retarded
>>81857388
Act 6 was fucking schwarbage and Caliborn was literally the only good thing about it.
