Ruby and Sapphire don't love each other. They realized that fusion felt so good and just decided to remain that way ever since.
Besides how they they be lesbians if they don't have genders?
>>81855061
They liked being together more than being apart. When they were apart, they just kept thinking about being back together. Sounds more like a love analogy to me.
Lapis will always love you though
>the first time they fused was literally rape
Gems obviously have a slightly different interpretation of love than humans
>>81855061
They are midgets.
>>81855545
Correct. Relevance?
>>81855579
Midgets can't feel love until they merge together.
>>81855375
I don't think it counts if it's an accident.
>>81855579
no soul, and thus no real love.
>>81855317
Can't argue with that, Anon.
>>81855061
>They realized that [SEX] felt so good and just decided to remain that way ever since.
Isn't that how love works? I honestly don't know.
>>81855887
>le fusion is sex meme.
>>81855828
Wait, midgets have no soul? Then what happens if someone is a midget and ginger?
100% of relationships start with lust instead of love. Love only comes after lust has faded and friendship has bloomed. They have been together for 5000 years so yes I would say that by now the lust has faded and they do love each other
>>81856542
What's 5000 years to an alien compared to us? It could literally be a few days in their collective minds. Besides what if time doesn't even work the same with them like it does with us? How do you know they're truly in love? Why compare the love to aliens with the love of humans? Just because the rocks picked up a few English terms like "love" doesn't mean they they see it the same.
why the hell are there 6 threads?
>>81856871
This is why you shouldn't hyper analysis this hard because all plot and reason break down. They love each other because fusion is a representation of relationships and garnet is the example of a good relationship. Love is caring about someone else more than yourself and both of them obviously feel that way about the other. What more do you need exactly?
>>81855061
they're co-dependent degenerates addicted to the endorphins and taboo of fusion. Garnet had no reason to judge Pearl since she's just as addicted to it as Pearl was
>>81855978
fusion is fucking sex anon
>>81857258
No it isn't. By that logic, two minors fucked in front of Steven's dad.
>>81857258
No it isn't. Sex is a biological activity that males and females share between one another. These are gender less, inorganic, rock aliens therefore they don't experience sex.
>>81857258
>fusion is fucking sex
As opposed to what other kind of sex? I thought fucking sex was the only kind of sex there was
>>81857628
I see what you're trying to do buy I ain't laughing.
>>81857560
>trying to aply logic on a stupid cartoon
>>81857284
so?
>>81856406
Double negative equals a positive. They have a soul.
What if one of the gems shapeshifts a pussy for someone to fuck? Would they even feel it?
>>81855061
this pissed me off, completely invalidated Garnet as a character and made her shit with that origin story; whoops i tripped and fell on your dick and created an accident. Its like ruby and sapphire had sex and made a child by mistake. how could they fuck up this badly when they have a shiity agenda to push.
>>81858447
Yeah, the origin story was very disappointing to me. I don't know why they thought them accidentally fusing somehow was a good reason start to their relationship. Then they wandered around around earth for probably a few days or weeks at most and decided to stay fused forever? Great basis for a relationship there.
Honestly wish Garnet had never been a fusion, or at least not a love fusion.
>>81858447
I was disappointed as well, none of it felt natural to me. It was a cliched in approach.
>Let's put two individuals alone together and see how long until they fall in love.
It was very cheap but not as terrible like "Island Adventure." The writers have to go back to this concept later on in the future, there's just too many things they left hanging.
>>81856406
Then they are a leprechaun
>>81857258
There's something sexy/intimate about fusion between different gems, every single time they showed it. It may not be sex, but there is a sexual complement.
Note I said between different gems. The fusion Homeworld allows is between the same kind of gem that just makes a bigger gem with the same mindset (and only for battle)
Hence why I think Steven (who has a girlfriend and is a kid) fusing with gems will only happen after a timeskip, implied endgame, not at all, or simply is not able to (he's a hybrid, his organic components could fucked with a pure gem)
>>81855076
No, they have gender. They just don't have sex, or genitalia. I don't know what this show's crew is going on about them not having "genders" when they're all clearly women. Obviously the execs won't let them get away with saying they don't have a sex, but they do have genders.
>>81859108
You know... what confounds me is hearing someone talk about the Peridot/Garnet "almost fusion scene" in Log Date and comment on how suggestive it was - virginity-esque even - and in the same breath ponder which gem Steven is gonna fuse with first...and his first fusion, too, with Connie was very romantic and intimate
>>81858447
The only problem I had with it is that they seemed to be on Earth for about half a day before fusing and meeting Rose. Seems like it should've taken more time
>>81859207
If the creators say they don't have genders, they don't have genders. They're aliens (and rocks), it wouldn't really make sense for them to be women.
>>81855076
>draw a woman
>call it a space rock
lel
>>81860620
These look like women to anon? More like objects with female voices. They're just rocks after all.
>>81860564
Maybe they don't all express themselves like human women we can compare to, but they do express. Some are women, some are diamonds, some are rubies. But they don't have a "sex". But they do have gender identities, they're just a tad bit different compared to human biology.
>>81855317
>Whether you like it or not
>>81859108
>implied endgame
Is this show still ratings poison?
>>81862982
That boardgame appears in other scenes.
>>81855263
Yet it manifests as crippling co-dependence. Nothing about their relationship strikes me as healthy.
>>81863086
It was never ratings poison.
Also, why do you have a trip?
>>81857955
That's messed up.
>>81858611
>>81858867
Remember how Rose and Greg's relationship seemed rushed in Story for Steven? They eventually got back to it in We Need To Talk.
Maybe the same thing will happen here.
>>81865689
I never got the sense that it was rushed in the first place. Just because they started fusing didn't mean they were immediately perfectly in sync or in love; she still had cotton candy hair by the end of the episode, so they were still not well adapted to each other.
Human couples don't love each other. They just like how it feels when they are together.
>>81858447
>>81858867
Okay people, here's what you failed to understand: Sapphire was already in love with Ruby before that fusion:
Sapphire sees every single outcome several times before it happens. In at least one timeline she fell in love with Ruby or at least developed fondness for her but decided it wasn't the most likely outcome.
Either because of clouded judgement, or her own conversation with Ruby prior to the attack, Sapphire predicted the wrong timeline, and because of her mistake, Ruby took the blame. Sapphire already had feelings for Ruby, and that influenced her to go rouge to protect her.
>>81866611
Except no.
The episode stated that she only had one timeline before the fusion happened.
After that is when she started seeing multiple outcomes for things
>>81867186
can you provide that quote?
>>81865523
I think Malachite will show that aspect of fusion more.
>>81860564
If they're women in all but name, then they're women.
You can skirt around the truth all you want, but it's clear that they're only "not women" to appease CN's censors
>>81855061
If that were true they'd probably fuse with other people. But as far as we know they always stay fused with one another and then THAT fusion fuses with other people. They must have some sort of connection if they prefer to get their base fusion high off of each other.
It's like a couple who are alcoholics, but one refuses to drink if the other's not their because they enjoy each other's company so much. Sure they'll drink with more friends. But the initial drinking couple have to be together or they don't want to drink with anyone else.
>>81869269
It's basically the Piccolo situation.Namekians are genderless but they're basically men. They don't have any genitals or anything, but they're all pretty much dudes.
>>81869359
Then they're sexless, not genderless.
If they didn't love each other, the fusion wouldn't feel as good.
Checkmate, Homeworld.
>>81869641
In a land where everyone is the same gender, you're genderless. The only reason gender exists is because there's two of them, right? You wouldn't ask the gender of a rock, even if you put makeup on it and put it in a skirt.
>>81869685
>In a land where everyone is the same gender, you're genderless.
But they're on Earth.
So.
>>81869685
>In a land where everyone is the same gender, you're genderless.
Nope.
>The only reason gender exists is because there's two of them, right?
Nope.
>You wouldn't ask the gender of a rock, even if you put makeup on it and put it in a skirt.
These are all sentient creatures though, not mindless rocks.
Namek and the Crystal Gems do the same thing, where they have a monogender society and that society is essentially one human gender (male for Namek, female for the Crystal Gems). You could actually argue the Crystal Gems have like, thousands of sexes if you were to decide to separate them by typing. But they'd still only have one gender.
>>81869359
Piccolo is the dangalang man though.
>>81871914
lel
>>81855061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGkQ8JFW3Yw
http://tooninferno.blogspot.com/2016/04/rebecca-sugar-cni-interview-highlights.html
>- Ruby and Sapphire are based loosely on Rebecca and Ian and how they always do the show together as a team (Ian has left the show to develop OK, KO!)
>- The song "Stronger Than You" was made as a reflection of the challenges Rebecca and Ian had in developing the show
>- Fusions are metaphorical representations of a relationship between a couple. Sugar notes that a person in a relationship behaves much differently than when the person is single, and a 'new character' is created as a result.
>>81871914
kill yourself
>You will never live in a perpetual orgasm.
>>81867186
No, anon.
It's said several times, inside the show, that the future vision comes from sapphire.
>>81855076
>>81860564
They're not women in the same way the pigs in Animal Farm aren't communist because pigs can't join political parties.
>>81855061
>that entire montage of them bonding unfused
Gee OP, they sure seem to be only in a friends with benefits relationship here.
>>81868902
Malachite isn't co-dependence, it's the embodiment of hatred. It's the explanation as to why gems need to be mentally aligned in order to fuse, otherwise they end up like that.
WHEN I WAS
>>81855317
I want in on this party
>>81865523
They're not cripplingly codependent. They don't enjoy being apart, but they don't seem to be actually impeded by it.
>>81878234
All the evidence does point to co-dependence though. There is little else to their personalities besides wanting to think about the other. They don't act like individuals at all like any of the other gems do.
>>81857560
Its almost as if if fusion isn't literally gem sex but maybe...a metaphor for it?
>>81860564
>Writers want lesbians in their show
>Make characters with female voices, female body types, and refer to them with female pronouns
>'B-But they're just genderless space rocks though...'
>>81878533
being one-gendered is not the same as being gender-less
even so, it's obviously what the show's creators could get away with
>>81878203
we all do
>>81879237
>Lapis in jean shorts
>>81855978
Fusion is an extremely obvious sex metaphor.
>>81880157
There is absolutely nothing sexual about fusion.
>Amethyst jumping into Garnet's crotch who was waiting spread eagle
>Pearl being pushed against a wall by Garnet while blushing
>Amethyst twerking with a half-lidded expression
>Steven has a girlfriend he romantically fused with already
>Sugar saying Stevonnie represents "all the terrifying firsts in a relationship"
>Peridot blushing and acting flustered when Garnet says "Let's fuse." (not before putting on music to get in the mood)
>peridot suggestively bumping her fists together in reference to fusion
>peridot asking if Percy and Paulette were trying to fuse when they were kissing
>Pearl taking advantage of Garnet to form Sardonyx out of sheer thirst
>the rape-y vibes in the Malachite fiasco
>Pearl and Rose sensually dancing and kissing
>The way that Pearl fuses with Rose in an attempt at hurting Greg, even the way she maintains eye contact during it
>>81880335
Sugar herself has said that fusions are relationships and how people turn into other people when they're with someone
it can be romantic yes, but not necessarily
>>81880686
Yeah, and Ray Bradbury has said Fahrenheit 451 was a metaphor for just about fucking everything at one point or another. And Ridley Scott said Deckard was a replicant--wait, no, he told Harrison ford he wasn't. Sometimes writers don't know themselves what it is they're making. Sometimes they just make shit up when somebody asks them about it. Sometimes they change their mind after it's done.
Fusion is clearly a stand-in for sex--or, at the very least, is transparently used as one a *lot* during the course of the series.
>>81881005
>death of the author
>>81855061
>Ruby and Sapphire don't love each other.
Yes they do.
>>81859207
If they are all the same gender, then they might as well not have a gender.
>>81855076
in universe they aren't
but it counts as lesbian representation because the audience sees them as women
>>81866611
Sapphire can see into the future but she isn't constantly seeing every single future. You have to consider something a possibility before you can predict it, she never saw a future that involved Garnet because she never considered that two different types of gem even could fuse. Of course this future wouldn't have even existed if she hadn't tampered with it by implying to ruby that she was going to be killed by rose and pearl
>>81878173
in the third grade
>>81882630
When I was in third grade I dressed up as a girl too.
>>81869641
But what we conceive as gender is based on human biology. They're not human.
>>81855061
>Love at first sight doesn't exist. Love takes time, and love takes work. At the very least you have to know the other person.
You lying whore.
>Gay people are mostly in it for the sex
CHECK
YOUR
PRIVILEGE
>>81883087
lesbians actually tend not to be. Gay people do. it's very physical and sexual. Lesbians on the other hand have a shit sexdrive. Also, very bad tempers they tend to get into domestic abuse a lot more.
>>81883229
You don't know the lesbians I know then.
>>81869787
> You could actually argue the Crystal Gems have like, thousands of sexes if you were to decide to separate them by typing. But they'd still only have one gender.
No, they have dozens of types divided into classes and no sexes. You could argue to split that gender up as some people are wont to do. Gender theory comes up with different shit all the time and Gems obviously cover the whole spectrum of personalities.
But their society is completely a hierarchical one with strict command structures and value measured in class status before performance.
Since they are made to be a pre-programmed type, they are produced to task and have a position according to their type.
We know Quartzes are a warrior class containing four or more types of powerful heavy infantry and non-com-ish unit leaders.
If we met a gaggle of Peridots, they would all be very similar to our green Dorito, have the same base level of experience and general position in society. Your type is your peer group, effectively. Your job, the people with the same experience in life.
>>81883229
My sister got battered pretty bad by her ex girlfriend, so much so that she still gets residual headaches and has to see a therapist
>>81883076
Well. It is implied that they had a rush they went through in seconds, then spent a lot of time together, solidifying that momentary lust into love.
That is why the look has changed from this motley two-mashed-into-one to a unified individual.
>>81869641
Do I seriously have to explain this again?
Gender is a social construct (largely influenced by sex). Human societies, because of our strong sexual dymorphism, tend to go towards the gender binary where you have two distinct genders with specific roles and responsibilities in the society.
Gems aren't dymorphic in the sense humans are at all. The difference between Gem "types" seems to be strength and size, with Diamonds being the largest.
If there's sucha thing as Gender for Gems in the way we'd understand it, it's seperate for every distinct Gem type. "Peridot" is a gender. "Ruby" is a gender. "Diamond" is a gender.
Heterofusions are therefore what we'd consider transgender or gender-fluid. They exist in this weird void between binaries that makes people uncomfrotable and they are essentialy swept away from your field of perception, they are what lingustics call "taboo".
It is for this reason that Stevonnie is a very fitting way of demonstrating this phenomenon.
Now this is of course just my educated opinion on the subject, but it's based on the best understanding of human societies we have.
>>81869674
Damn, dog. That's cold.
>>81860564
>>81859207
>I don't know what this show's crew is going on about them not having "genders"
Nut they said they had Gender. People will make a point to interpret what they say the wrong way, just so they can be angry about it.
>>81859207
>. I don't know what this show's crew is going on about them not having "genders"
Thye have litterally said they are as female as the Nameks and most Transformers are male. They have acknowledged they are female.
3 Rubys
2 Boobies.
>>81883967
>Gender is a social construct (largely influenced by sex).
It's not. a lot of unfair social construct are build around Gender. But Gender is a physiological perception that is very real.
>largely influenced by sex
Not really. Gender and sexual orientation are actually quite distinct. Two women or two men cn still have sex and will have.
The issue with Gender is that the gender of the genital and the gender of the brain can not always be the same.
One can perceive themselves female because the gender of their brain is female, yet have male genital, that doesn't make their perception of being female less true, as it is directly linked to the physiology of their brain.
>>81855061
They had over a thousand years to decide whether or not their love was true.
Reminder that Gem love is more pure than human, because it's not driven by hormones or an instinctual desire to reproduce.
>>81884193
>Gender is a physiological perception that is very real.
Citation needed. Because I can keep citing sources on the claim that it's a social contruct till the cows come home.
>Gender and sexual orientation are actually quite distinct.
Who said anything about sexual orientation? I was talking about biological sex. You know, that thing that is distinct from Gender but is heavily influencing it's their formation?
>The issue with Gender is that the gender of the genital and the gender of the brain can not always be the same.
There's no such thing as "the gender of the genital (sic)". There's biological sex and then there's gender.
>>81884228
>Citation needed.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently
>that it's a social contruct till the cows come home
The confusion come from a lot of unfair and arbitrary social construct are build around gender, but that doesn't make Gender less of a physiological reality.
>Who said anything about sexual orientation?
Youare the one who talked about sex.
>I was talking about biological sex
also called reproduction.
> You know, that thing that is distinct from Gender
I know the sexaul act is dictinct from what gender is.
>There's no such thing as "the gender of the genital (sic)". There's biological sex and then there's gender.
Wrong there is such a thing.
There is actually three kind of Gender:
Genetic Gender XX or XY
Genital Gentar, Penis or Vagina.
And the Gender of the brain
There is also many other endocrine glands that are specific to each gender, but of all the gendered organs, the Brian and gentials are the most important ones.
Those 3 different notions are what actually define Gender and it's far more complex than the 1-0 conception people usually associate with that notion.
>>81856871
They see time the same as us, well the CGs anyways. We see all sorts of examples of them getting impatient quickly.
>>81857258
Fusion is sex and all the relationship portions rolled into one. Its why pearl gets a high of feeling complete with Garnet while with Amy it is just a forgettable nobody you want out of your life.
>>81884307
>https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently
I dod not dispute the idea that male and female brains are different. I disupted the idea that "gender" is a term used in bilogy and specifically that you can pin down physiological differences between genders. You can't. You can pin down difference between sexes but not between genders. Now find me a paper in the field of bilogy that catually details differences between genders. Go on.
>The confusion come from a lot of unfair and arbitrary social construct are build around gender, but that doesn't make Gender less of a physiological reality.
No, the confusion comes from you defining the word "gdner" in a way that is unproductive and confusing. There's little point in trying to cramm gender as a term into the nomenclature when scinetists researching the subject already have the word "sex", actively use it and the word gender is being used in sociological studies. That's pointlessly confusing on purpose at this point.
>Youare the one who talked about sex.
About bilogical sex, not about intercourse, dingus.
>I know the sexaul act is dictinct from what gender is.
You keep trying to equate bilogical sex to gender and frame me as if I was talking about reproductive act. Could you stop being stupid and dishonest?
>There is actually three kind of Gender:
Genetic Gender XX or XY
Genital Gentar, Penis or Vagina.
And the Gender of the brain
No, that's what biologists use to establish biological sex, not gender. They do not use that term. So how about you stop doing that as well?
>>81884307
As for the brains being distinctively male or female, there's a confusion here as well. Because the way this research is done, is by finding subjects that fit into and identify as male or female gender and then we look at the physical differences in their brain and establish that physical differences to correlate to the gender binary.
However that doesn't yet mean that we can pin down gender differences to a pure binary or that we can even pin them down to just bilogical differences since a) this is a spectrum not a binary, there are apparently "more" female and "less" female brains as well more and less male brains and b) there are transgender people who not only have idfferently wired brains from their chormosems and genitalia, they have different brains from what they appear as to the researchers.
So you can't claim that gender is a bilogical reality. Biological sex is and as you mentioned it exists on multiple intertwined layers and contributes to the formation of genders. But gender is a distinct, seperate thing that is studied by socilogists and psychologists and not bilogists.
As to how well it is studied and if the procedures are sufficiently harsh... That's a whole other can of worms.
>>81855375
nah, just surprise sex
>>81856406
le gingers have no soul meme
>>81861392
>filename
fuck now its stuck in my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuvsoZLE3WE
>>81880335
>Peridot blushing and acting flustered when Garnet says "Let's fuse."
that scene was turbolewd
>>81884571
le le gingers have no soul meme meme
>>81884493
>As for the brains being distinctively male or female, there's a confusion here as well. Because the way this research is done, is by finding subjects that fit into and identify as male or female gender and then we look at the physical differences in their brain and establish that physical differences to correlate to the gender binary.
It goes beyond that. The Brain is an endocrine gland. It's a gendered endocrine gland. Meaning that if it is wired to the wrong set of gential, it fuck up because it does not good the feedback it expect.
This is why trans under hormone therapy actually get better.
>But gender is a distinct, seperate thing that is studied by socilogists and psychologists and not bilogists
Trans actually have the physiologcial perception of being of the opposite Gender. It is not something that is defined by norms. It's an actual physiological perception, and trying to cut the tie of the Notion of Gender with the its biological root is a mistake.
Gender and biology are related. The complexity of Gender directly stem from the complexity of of Biology.
Gender, at least the way I consider it defined, i.e. the perception of self of being female or being male, is linked DIRECTLY to the biology of the brain. A Trans person will struggle with their life up until they realize their actual issue. And hormone therapy improve a lot on that point. They can actually perceive that they have the wrong set of genitals.
The perception of your own gender is not based on social norm, otherwize, boy being raised as boy and girl being raised as girl would be Trnas and come to the realization they were given the wrong Gender. The notion of Gender is directly based on the biology of the brain.
>>81862861
>>81883967
>If there's sucha thing as Gender for Gems in the way we'd understand it, it's seperate for every distinct Gem type. "Peridot" is a gender. "Ruby" is a gender. "Diamond" is a gender.
This is needlessly convoluted when we already have a human concept that perfectly applies to these games.
They're castes.
It's a caste system.
>>81885214
>Gender and biology are related. The complexity of Gender directly stem from the complexity of of Biology.
Which I never disputed. I stated outright that gender is largely based on sex, meaning biological sex.
>>81883967
Has a worker ant worker ant another gender then a soldier ant? NO! They are fucking castes.
Fusions between different castes are frouned apoun becauase the result is outside of the system. It threatens the hierarchy and is thus forbidden.
>>81885499
This
>>81885292
Yeah that's also a valid interpretation. But in socilogical undertanding gender isn't that different from a Caste, save for that it's virtually immobile. And indeed Gems seem to be incapable of changing who they are, they can't move within their system at all.
But at the same time gender is something that's supposed be like a meta-caste. You're male or female no matter if you're from a Warrior Caste or a Priest Caste. And Gems seem to have rigidly hierarchal society and they're designed with a single goal in mind: conquest. To quote Peridot: "we are a space faring civilization designed to conquer other planets". Each Gem, every Caste shares this goal. So in a sense THAT is their meta-caste, their "gender".
But it's very, vary far from what we understand genders to be. They certainly lack any gender that would correlate to human genders.
>>81883914
I just assumed she dyed her hair to look that way
