How is this any different from the end battle in MoS between Superman and Zod?
it's basically the same fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQabrSpKcJw
youtube link with the whole scene from Justice League Unlimited
>>81753896
Whole city didn't get 9/11d and the cinematography didn't shove civilian death in your face.
>>81753896
Alien invasion already underway supes actually did less damage then them and darkseid fused with brainiac so holding back wasn't an option
>>81753896
What you and Snyder don't seem to grasp is that it doesn't just come down to how many buildings were destroyed and lives were lost. People's problems with MoS destruction was due to a large number of reasons including the tone and delivery of it. A big issue was that the movie as a whole didn't give Superman much of a personality so he comes off as uncaring during the destruction, especially when he embraces Lois in the aftermath. And it doesn't help that there was this much destruction in Superman's debut, as opposed to the example in the OP where it was much later in his career with a greater threat.
>>81754157
to be fair it is a cartoon, but you can bet you're ass people died
>>81754197
and somehow containing literal space hitler/evil superman was?
>>81753896
Been a long time since I've seen that fight but did it also took the fight from Smallville to Metropolis? That was one of my biggest problems. It felt almost likely Supes lead them there.
In MoS, it's stated he's trying to save everyone but then he near-gleefully destroys everything, and the direction and focus is less on Superman vs Zod or saving people it's more about destruction porn
Also, Metropolis doesn't get utterly destroyed here while in MoS it's near-universal destruction that the movie wanks over
>>81754459
JLU Superman is one I can actually trust to make sure Darkseid wouldn't fly into any part of a building where a person would get hurt. He's more competent and actually cares about human life.
>>81754400
>including the tone and delivery of it.
the tone was grim and intense, the delivery was superb thanks to the amazing direction and cgi, not sure what the issue here is, seems to me you're just pulling shit out of you ass to make a difference between two identical scenes, I'd argue this one is even more disturbing since it's a kid's show and not a pg-13 rated film
>>81754604
are you for fucking real mate? how much of a delusional fucking fanboy are you?
nigger he flies trough 5 buildings and then gets smacked on to the street filled with people, do you see the level of destruction that's going on in the scene?
>>81754626
>identical
The JLU fight was much, much shorter and only had a tiny bit of destruction.
>>81753896
There was a solid build up of superman doing his best not to break something before finally cutting lose and fucking shit up. Most people I feel don't have a problem with superman actually destroying stuff but it has to seem like this is superman's last option and that it is the lesser of two evils.
>>81753896
>How is this any different from the end battle in MoS between Superman and Zod?
It was enjoyable.
>>81754715
Five buildings with holes through them is a lot less likely to do tons of damage than half a city's worth of high rises being completely leveled.
>>81754720
no shit it was shorter, it was in a 20 minute episode of a kids tv show, long enough for them to have a fight in a city filled with people, knock down a few buildings and get to street level to continue fighting, but I'm sure no one got hurt, LOL
>>81753896
Nostalgia goggles
>>81754816
2 buildings got a few holes in them in NY irl mate, by your standards not a lot of damage?
The level of denial is fucking ridiculous in this thread.
It's the same fucking thing. MoS is how it'd look in the real world, thus why it feels "darker".
>>81754722
>There was a solid build up of superman doing his best not to break something before finally cutting lose and fucking shit up
literally what happened in MoS, before Supes finally snaps Zod's neck
>>81754882
The ones in Metropolis didn't collapse, m8. Watch the fucking scene, they've got a couple ruined floors at best.
>>81753896
let it go
>>81754924
it's comical at this point, everything is ok as long as it wasn't done by Snyder, the fucking hypocrisy of these people is laughable
>>81754960
no biggie mate, I'm sure no one was in them ;), no debris or anything fell down to the street either, just like in the avengers
>>81753896
You see all those times he actually looked concerned about the people around him? Yeah. That.
>>81754960
How old are you?
>>81754930
Like how he jumped over a tanker so it would explode into the crowd behind him and give off a cool explosion? I'm sure there was no way he could've stopped it.
>>81753896
It's the last fight rather than the second.
Superman has already won the hearts of the populace.
Superman isn't fighting alone.
Those are the three main differences iirc.
BvS fanboys: LOL LOOK AT 'X', YOU SHOULD HATE THAT BUT YOU DONT !!!!!111!! THEREFORE BVS WAS GOOD!!!!
Rotten Tomatoes: 28%
>>81754966
let what go? why didn't JLU superman 'take the fight to the moon, or a unpopulated area?' isn't that the main complaint about the end battle in MoS? why is Superman fighting Darkseid in Metropolis and putting civilians in danger?
why is there a double standard?
>>81755056
no I don't, he doesn't give a single fuck, he literally jack hammers Darkseid on the street where people are shown to be walking and looking at the exploding buildings at 1:25
https://youtu.be/gQabrSpKcJw?t=1m25s
>>81755141
I'm talking about MoS you mongoloid
>>81754882
>2 buildings got a few holes in them in NY irl mate
Uh, no. They fell. Retard
>>81754626
Do you really not understand how the presentation of it was completely different? Yes, the tone was grim and intense which, combined with the rest of the movie, made people feel uncomfortable in a Superman movie, especially when it did a poor job of showing that Superman even cared. And I'm not talking about the quality of the delivery, I'm talking about the atmosphere it creates. They show it from the point of view of the citizens a lot. MoS was overall much more focused on the destruction itself while the animation waved it off a bit more.
As I said, there's more to the issue than just simplifying it down to a matter of how much destruction there was. That's why Snyder's defense about Star Wars destroying five planets was so stupid.
>>81753896
>Cartoon where cartoony action barely ever has any grim implication
vs
>Movie that presents itself as serious and maybe deep, that goes out of it's way to show people dying during the debut of this hero, where instead of even a single line from whatever character dedicated to all the tragedy that just occured we get "he's so sexy"
>>81753896
End of the entire universe, global takeover, established precedent of League members protecting civilians, and the entire prologue that sets it up being an aberration from his standard behavior and threat management style, which was established while originally introducing the character, showing him overcoming adversity and earning the trust of civilians and police as he managed threats in a manner much less cavlier towards contributing towards the creation of collateral damage, and activly seeking to prevent it regardless of whether he or his opponent were the ones potentially causing it.
>>81755190
The street he smashes Darkseid into is shown onscreen to have nobody on it.
>>81755247
on their own? lmao faggot, a couple of planes crashed in to them just like Darkseid did in to the ones in the episode
>>81755190
What people? Seems pretty empty to me.
>>81755306
>>81755339
that's the same excuse as
>the buildings in MoS were all empty too
also like a second before that the streets are shown to be filled with people who are looking up at the fight
>>81754583
>In MoS, it's stated he's trying to save everyone but then he near-gleefully destroys everything
Jesus fuck, watch the movie again if you can't remember it correctly
>>81755244
What's your opinion on BvS?
>as if we didn't already know
>>81755369
A second is a long time in superhero time. Flash could save six million people in a single second. Fact of the matter is, no people were shown to be hurt, unlike MoS.
>>81755297
so it's ok when someone does it and not when someone else does? ok, all I wanted to know, thanks anon, I guessed as much
>>81755310
Did you see them fall?
No?
Then how do you know they fell?
Do you exist in the JLU?
>>81755298
^this
>>81755310
Did Darkseid explode on impact?
>>81754930
The neck scene is the one part of the whole fight where superman actually seems concerned about the people around him. Personally I don't have a problem with superman killing Zod (has to be less torturous than being trapped for eternity) but it seems like he could have flown him up and away or something. It just seemed odd to just stand there screaming and then break his neck they should have had him kill Zod in some other way if that is what they wanted to do.
The only time before that in the whole movie where superman seems at all concerned for strangers is when he is saving the bus of school children which you then have Pa Kent telling him no he shouldn't have done that. The movie needed to spend more time showing superman helping people before the fight and maybe taking a few blows he could have avoided to protect people or property.
>>81753896
>WoC is brightly lit, triumphant, bystanders are okay, Superman pontificates on his role as the strongest man on Earth, designed to be entertaining
>MoS is dimly lit, an almost nightmarish hellscape, we see civvies dying left and right, designed to be dark and mature, which invites closer scrutiny
>>81755369
>the buildings in MoS were all empty too
Nobody has ever said this.
The entire time in MoS you're seeing civilians attempting (and often failing) to escape from all of the destruction.
>also like a second before that the streets are shown to be filled with people who are looking up at the fight
People on a different street than the one Superman hit Darkseid into.
>>81753896
this was like... what 5 seasons in? we knew everybody by then, we knew superman wouldn't do that unless shit was real, not to mention the entire planet was being invaded and super heroes and villains were teaming up to save the earth
And to top it off, superman doesn't save the day, fucking lex does
>>81755298
how does Zod in MoS not represent the end of the human race? the stakes are the same
Zod is trying to terraform the Earth and commit mass genocide, he's the closest thing to 'the end of the universe' that ever happened to the human race in MoS
>>81755422
>no people were shown to be hurt, unlike MoS.
This is one of the cool things they changed for BvS. They realized that it's a comic book movie and people have suspension of disbelief. "Good thing everyone is already at home!" "Good thing that island is uninhabited LOL"
>>81755546
missed the part where Clark saves the crew working on the tanker, helicopter and the boat? where he literally holds up a building so people can escape?
seemed to me like he cared
>>81755624
Which is why Batman is such a dumb shit.
>bad guy raging on an uninhabited island
>I should go get my magic spear to kill him and then come back here to fight him, where no one will be hurt
>naw, I'll make him follow me back into the city
Why?
>>81755685
We're not saying he doesn't care, bruh. Just that he really seems to care more about the pussy than being a hero.
>>81755702
>naw, I'll make him follow me back into the city
So they could demolish some abandoned buildings, thereby performing a public service.
>>81755624
>They realized that it's a comic book movie and people have suspension of disbelief. "Good thing everyone is already at home!" "Good thing that island is uninhabited LOL"
I hate that so much, that's why comic book movies are looked down upon, no real weight, no drama, no consequences, le it's ok the good guys always win ;), that's why the nolan films were so critically acclaimed, because the decisions mattered, people just don't want that any more, that's why people dislike MoS and BvS
>>81755702
Wonder Woman literally asked that in the film. Don't worry the port is abandoned :^)
Got 'em
>>81755565
The fact it happens after a few seasons is a good point. In MoS we never got the build up to what type of person superman was and all we saw really was him acting selfishly or immature. The JL superman we had got to know and seen him take down big threats as well as small ones so we knew he wouldn't use that much force unless he felt it necessary and we could trust his judgement by then.
>>81755742
it's almost like he's in love with lois
>>81755792
>and all we saw really was him acting selfishly or immature
lmao what the fuck??? when was this shown, where did you see this shit? how?
>>81755836
Remember in Superman with Reeves? He lets Lois die because he needed to save people. This Superman seems to save Lois and only Lois when she needs help.
>>81755685
In MoS and BvS it seems like he is doing all of this because he has powers and so he must be the savior of mankind. It doesn't ever feel like he has any real connection with the people. I don't know if that is the directors fault, the writers fault or the actors fault but superman just seems flat and emotionless.
>>81754974
>it's only okay when Snyder does it
Holy shit kill yourself
>>81755872
He goes off to mope instead of saving people just because the world doesn't like him. Some hero.
>>81755905
did you miss the part where he REVERSED FUCKING TIME TO SAVE LOIS? jesus fuck
>>81755931
I think you should reread that.
>>81755955
Yeah, after he LETS HER DIE SO HE COULD SAVE PEOPLE!!!
>>81755955
He didn't reverse time, he flew so fast he went back in time.
>>81755872
>>81755955
Hey so why do you type like a 15 year old?
>>81755954
so you want a one dimensional always happy always giddy caricature instead of a real person with internal conflicts, doubts and fears? gotcha, maybe comic books are not the hobby for you my friend
>>81755792
Doesn't help we have Jonathan Kent talking about his identity is more important than people's lives. Yeah I get where they were going with a more realistic family that is scared for their child but it really came off badly for a movie with a character like Superman.
>>81755955
He went back in time though, the reversing of the Earth is a visual representation of that.
>>81756019
great argument, keep it up
>>81756032
Comic book Supes would've made a speech about how it doesn't matter what the world thinks of him because the world needs him so he'll always be there to save them. Not go talk to his dad about drowning horses.
>>81756032
Broham, have you read All-Star Superman or Superman For All Seasons? Hell, have you read Of Thee I Sing? Just because Superman actively tries to save people and is a positive person doesn't mean he can't have doubts and fears.
>>81756014
>>81756043
noted and corrected:
>>81755905
did you miss the part where he WENT BACK IN FUCKING TIME TO SAVE LOIS? jesus fuck
>>81755992
I think YOU should.
You're arguing in favor of Man of Steel's destroyed Metropolis by shitting on damage to the city in the cartoon and saying it would be "way worse in the real world".
I hate MoS so fucking much.
>>81756040
They have one chance to rectify this. Now that everyone knows Superman's identity, he can say "dad was wrong" to show that he only did what Jonathan Kent said out of respect for him rather than because he thought it was the right thing. I doubt Snyder will do that though, considering his ethics.
>>81756139
but MoS superman tries AND saves a fuckton of people
>>81755955
It was a shitty cop-out but it was meant to show that he is willing to sacrifice one if it means many more will live. His "reward" is him able to save both. Kind of wish they did let her die and see what would happen.
>>81756185
yeah, that seems to be the case for most people, doesn't it? and you're not sure why, are you? you're confused by the film, that's ok bro, we all hate what we don't understand
>>81753896
Did it really take 3 years for people to make this argument? There's no way. Was there a thread like this when MoS first came out?
>>81756222
m80 he lets an oil-tanker just fly past him, and levels (or doesn't stop Zod from leveling) several buildings.
He stops to make out with Lois while people are dying from fire and lack of oxygen.
>>81756235
>villain succeeds at killing Lois
>seeing where that goes
SupermanPenetratesAllTheDarkPlaces.png
Did you not pay attention to the dialogue? Superman knows everybody's been evacuated, that's why he stops holding back.
>>81756259
No, I absolutely understand why I despise almost every speck of MoS. Trust me on that.
>>81756196
Yeah, Snyder would never do that. All he cares about is that his movie is loud and flashy. Big explosions, big punches, big destruction. No thought put into any of it, despite how he attempts to be artsy. The absolute best way I can describe Zack Snyder is that he is incapable of restraint.
>>81756196
The problem is that MoS/BvS Superman ethics are just whatever the fuck he wants. Where we have Martha saying "you don't own the world anything" when one of his defining ideals is him feeling a need to give back to the world who raised him and gave him a wonderful life.
>>81756083
Is it because you're 15? Because that's what it comes across as.
>>81754157
But most of the damage was caused by the World Engine.
I don't get why people keep asserting that Superman and Zod's fight caused all of the destruction when it didn't.
MoS and BvS are severely fucking flawed but a lot of the complaints could have been stymied if Supes was a bit more heroic. If he was more clearly shown to be trying to take the fight to DBZ deserted land, or outside of city limits, or confine it to ground zero.
That would, understandably, be boring to see in a match between two super gods, so having Zod FORCE the fight elsewhere in this sort of violent tug of war would have made for a more exciting fight.
Have Superman return to Metropolis going 'holy FUCK'. Have him take in the destruction, the harm, all that shit. This just needs to be a few seconds, etc., as Zod talks to him about being mad as fuck.
The movies just do a really poor job of establishing Superman and Clark Kent as characters; we don't really get a grasp of who they are and what they stand for. This sucks even more because Superman CAN be a fun and interesting character, but the public stigma is that he isn't. He's the 'boringest' one. And the movies did NOTHING to help get rid of that stigma.
I still had some fun with MoS, and while some of the complaints are retarded, a lot of them are totally warranted.
>>81756321
lmao sure looks evacuated
>>81756357
it wasn't produced by Marvel?
>>81756403
Those buildings are evacuated, yes. He's not going to punch Darkseid into people, and he didn't.
You ever get the feeling that /co/ would be a lot better if everybody chilled out and read some 2000AD?
>Me? I've got a different problem.
>I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. Always taking constant care not to break something, to break someone. Never allowing myself to lose control even for a moment, or someone could DIE.
>But you can take it, can't ya big man?
>What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose, and show you just how powerful I really am.
vs
>You're a monster, Zod.also Superman fighting Captain Marvel is way worse in terms of destruction
>>81756474
he does exactly that >>81755190
>he literally jack hammers Darkseid on the street where people are shown to be walking and looking at the exploding buildings at 1:25
https://youtu.be/gQabrSpKcJw?t=1m25s [Embed]
>>81756444
Oh, I see. You're a child. I don't really have the time or crayons to explain things to you.
>>81756032
When he destroyed that dudes truck because he pissed him off. The fact he left his mom to tend to the farm on her own. Farms take a lot of work no matter what you are producing. He just watches his dad die like a fucking bitch. I don't give a fuck what the man says I would snatch him up and run him two counties away before I stand there and watch him die. He can have doubts and problems but how he handles it is not how a good ol' boy from Kansas would.
Superman is that down home country boy that does what he can for his family and neighbors because deep down he feels that is what they would do for him. That allows him to always put the ones around him above himself.
>>81756520
Neither Darkseid nor any debris are shown to actually hit anybody, they're all far away enough not to get injured.
>>81756500
>also Superman fighting Captain Marvel is way worse in terms of destruction
yeah, they really fuck up the entire city, still, that's a recent short and people would bash it even harder, this is JLU, so at least I get the pleasure of faggots defending it by any means necessary when it's literally the same fucking thing
>>81756385
Here's the thing. The world engine relies on two parts. The actual engine at the other side of the world, and the ship on the opposite side. The ship sends the signal to the world eater and it sends a signal back, terraforming the world in the process. Why then didn't Supes then just go with them into the city to destroy the mother ship instead of trying to destiny the part of the equation that he knows would severely weaken him?
>>81756520
Those people are obviously around the second building, and Superman hits him down after he flies through the third building
>>81756613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BJ1-trrgqc
I mean this scene, it's from JLU too.
>>81756613
To be fair nobody was actually in those buildings. They even bring it up in the episode or the ones following it.
Luthor literally built the city to tarnish Superman's image.
>>81756500
>>also Superman fighting Captain Marvel is way worse in terms of destructionDon't think we need spoilers, but what the hey -- The cool part of that was it was a pretty good reason the place was empty, being some 'prototype' city that Lex was opening. And yeah, massive destruction - totally allowed them to just fucking use everything as a weapon. That fucking bank vault, man. It was also an awesome story in terms of a conflicted Superman, and set up the Superman/Marvel fight better than BvS.
>>81756603
no fucking shit, of course they're not gonna show anyone get hit by darkseid, but the fact that there were people 1 second ago on the same street shows you the intent of the director and the storywriters, we didn't see anyone dying in the buildings in MoS, but we sure as shit know some niggas died
>>81756403
I just noticed? Who the fuck is that crouching on a lamppost?
>Smashes Darkseid through a few buildings
>Hammers him into the empty ground
vs
>Every building collapsing in what looks to be 5 block radius
>Black holes sucking people and cars away
>Total chaos on the ground with fire and rubble everywhere
Gee, it's almost like they're completely different or something
>>81754882
>being this autistic.
>>81756685
Bad writing, and I think time was of the essence.
Superman would've been fighting all of the super Kryptonians in a populated area while the world engine thumped the fuck out of everything.
I honestly think that, bad writing aside, Superman being there with the US Military would've caused even more destruction and death had he not gone to the other side of the planet to fuck the other piece up.
>>81756600
Hell he keeps visiting the Kents farms in most comics to help out on the weekends.
I always viewed he had two Fortresses. One where he can be Superman with all the power of a god. And the Kents where he can just be the man he feels like he really is. Since all his life he was raised as a good human boy. And even with all that power he still view himself as much as a human as the Kents. And so him visiting his parents are him reminded of how much more he is like them than anything.
>>81756729
parademon for fuck sake, do any of you faggots even read comics or watch cartoons? jesus christ no wonder you're confused by MoS and BvS
>>81756726
They made their intent known when they had Superman literally give a speech about how he has to be in control all the time so someone doesn't accidentally die.
>>81754583
>then he near-gleefully destroys everything,
this did not happen at all you dipshit. i bet you haven't seen the film you years
>>81753896
I always figured it was abandoned on the upper floors. Everytime higher level Superman or other activity starts everyone just heads to the lower floors or home.
I also figured these fights occured more every couple months.
>>81756444
>>81756403
How old are you people right now? This is almost comical
>>81756613
>yeah, they really fuck up the entire city,
Are you being pedantic or did you forget the Captain Marvel fight is in a test city that nobody was was actually in?
>>81756773
>50 people die
vs
>500 people die
so are you saying one is ok, and the other one isn't? also are you saying superman from MoS is directly responsible for the black holes and the world machine destroying streets like JLU supes is directly responsible for knocking darkseid in to buildings?
>>81756856
They can't go home unless the company owner calls them and tells them to go home.
>>81756941
was the entire city not fucked up? what the fuck did I say wrong?
>>81756948
Hey, show me proof that people died in the Darkseid fight. Oh yeah. You're talking out your ass.
>>81756941
That anon was referring to Superman/Shazam!: The Return of Black Adam
>>81756856
I always assumed the entire population of metropolis was on vacation in the bahamas when the world engine landed in the middle of the city, in my mind no one died ;)
>>81757014
I wasn't, I just forgot the Lex city
>>81757000
>no dead bodies and bloody kids so it didn't happen, pics or it didn't happen
nigga it's a saturday morning cartoon, of course they're not gonna show bloody stiffs on the streets
>>81757014
My only gripe with that story is we don't see Clark adopt Billy at the end.
>>81757198
JLU showed Plastique's and Galaea's twitching dead bodies.
>>81754400
>so he comes off as uncaring during the destruction
Considering the fact that...
1.) He never punches, pushes or throws Zod into any buildings the way Zod does to him...
2.) He is holding back his power considerably when you compare his punches down in the street vs the ones he let loose with in the sky.
Bullshit.
>especially when he embraces Lois in the aftermath
That's after the world engine is taken out but before the Sups/Zod fight.
There was no moment for him to take in the destruction around him.
He slams into scout ship/crashes it/the instant he Climbs out of the scout ship he sees Lois falling and flies to her/they almost get torn apart atom by atom in a black hole/they immedalty float down to the ground and embrace and kiss, still shaking from what they just went thru and then Zod interrupts the kiss.
>And it doesn't help that there was this much destruction in Superman's debut
That was the point to give us a Superman thrown right headfirst into world scale threatening events with almost no training or prep besides learning how to fly.
Because at the end of the day, ones a cartoon and the other's a movie.
One is largely lighthearted and has buildings that can stand after being penetrated from one side to the opposite, and coincidentally empty roads for villains to crash into.
The other is supposed to be taken super seriously, and highlights how much destruction is being done by the two; how many lives are being crushed with every hit they make.
There's also the fact that both are trying to highlight two very different things.
The cartoon uses the city as emphasis on how much Superman holds back when he fights normally; using the destroyed buildings and road to add impact to the fight.
The movie however uses the city to highlight how much Superman is struggling against Zod. To point out both how powerful they are, and how difficult it is for Superman to fight against him, much less take him out of the city.
I didn't watch the movie, but I did watch the scene. So I'm probably the least biased out of everyone in this thread.
>>81757069
Except for all of the poor people that can't afford a trip to the Bahamas. But it is alright poor people aren't really people so it doesn't count.
>>81757198
No pic. No acknowledgment. Didn't happen. Simple as that.
>>81755440
>>81755310
darkseid can't melt steal beams
>>81757271
What about the tanker? And the fact that he flew back into the city? And how he deliberately threw Zod into the im only small town in the middle of nowhere despite flying past plenty of good cornfields?
>>81757308
kek'd,surprised no one made that joke earlier
>>81754570
No, Zod, Faora & Non threaten Martha.
Clark rage tackles Zod into Smallville, Zod is weakened from his exposure the elements and leaves while Clark battles Faora & Non, they retreat back to their ship when Faora is knocked out by a combination of exposure & taking a Maverick missile at point blank range.
Clark runs back to check Martha and Lois shows up with details about how to use Clark's baby ship against the Kryptonians.
Zod sends the world engine to the Indian Ocean and sets his own ship over metropolis.
>>81756948
No, I'm saying one is an incredibly excessive and dark depiction of collateral damage and the other isn't. This isn't rocket science buddy.
We also have several prior episodes of DCAU Superman being depictied as someone who will go out his way to save people. Along with the entire tone and lglength of the scene is completely different, so the last thing you're thinking about is the collateral damage. It's easy to accept the idea that no one got hurt, as unlikely as that maybe, as it's potrayed differently.
In MOS we see explicit and constant destruction, along with a Superman who makes absolutely no effort to save people, and instead continues to bash Zod into buildings despite knowing it won't do anything.
>>81757385
nigga he messed with his mom? you don't mess with clark's mom, how can you expect him to think straight after that?
would you be all calm and collected like if someone grabbed your mom by the throat and tried to kill the bitch, and you had superpowers? nah nigga you'd be on that faggot pounding his sweet ass with all you've got, shit I guess not cuz you're a cold ass nigga, but clark really loves his mom and she's all he's got, not everyone is one-dimensional and shallow as you anon
>>81757480
so you're saying if MoS was in daylight and the colors were brighter and '''''''only'''''' 50 people died and ''''''only''''' 5 buildings got knocked down, then it would have been cool, gotcha my man
>>81757536
Yet he disappears leaving her all alone and it is implied that she has no idea where he is while he is gone.
>>81755565
>this was like... what 5 seasons in?
5 seasons of justice league and 4 seasons of superman.
>>81757536
I love my mom, but even I understand the need to protect people.
who the fuck cares about the man of murder shit anyway?
the movie died the second clark let fucking pa kent die to save a dog
>>81757669
Something that every one that tries to defend MoS seem to gloss over is that fact that this superman has no character. In the other movies, comics, cartoons you connect with and start to like him as both Clark and as Superman. With out that likability in this movie his actions come off as cold and uncaring. The same exact fight could happen and not be hated if they would have spent more time building him up as a great person before doing it.
>>81757733
so if you had to choose right this moment between saving your mom and the 40 anons ITT, you'd choose to save the anons? wow you're a bigger man than me, superman ain't got shit on you my nigga
>>81757881
what about saving your mom vs. the 40 moms of the anons in this thread
>>81754715
What? The only time we see people is the far away shot that shows just how far Superman punched Darkseid. If you watch where he lands (also a nice wide shot) there is not a single person around, just as with the initial punch that sent him flying. Based on all that it's pretty safe to assume that the area in which Superman kept the fight was already evacuated, especially considering earlier in the episode they make a point about needing to save the civilians from the massive alien invasion going on. All of these kinds of considerations were missing in MoS.
>>81757934
only if they gave me blowjobs after I saved them
>>81757881
Bruh, his mom was already saved. He'd already took Zod off of her. There was no need to bring the fight into Smallville. It's a small town. They're not going to recover after all that destruction. He killed the town, anon.
>>81757985
rude
>>81758011
more like 'lewd'
>>81757669
Holy shit how dense are you? You genuinely think the only different thing between that clip and MOS are the colors and amount of buildings that got damaged?(none of the buildings got knocked down in JLU by the way, asshole)
The reason people dislike the destruction scenes is because the film has a god awful tone, and one of the worst characterizations of Superman ever made. Throw in bad visuals and excessive imagery that reinforces how unlikable MOS Superman is, and you have scenes that no one likes.
Christ I don't understand how one person can be this fucking stupid.
>>81757385
He had his eyes on Zod the entire time, he never looked at the tanker to observe it's contents, it could have been a milk transport for all he knew.
This is proven by his surprise/horrified reaction when it explodes. He turns around and leaves himself open to attack it was so unexpected.
>And the fact that he flew back into the city?
When? After they went into space? Zod was in control of the decent up until the last tiny bit well after they were directly above the city.
When they are re-entering the appnosphere you see Zod holding Clark by the neck punching the shit out of him.
>>81758011
>>81758049
Okay, threads coming to a close. We're all in agreement then? Defenders of MoS misses the point in that it's not the amount of destruction that's unsettling but the way it's handled. We all good?
>>81757669
>so you're saying if MoS was in daylight and the colors were brighter and '''''''only'''''' 50 people died and ''''''only''''' 5 buildings got knocked down, then it would have been cool
I don't think that's what he was saying at all. You're mentioning quantitative factors while he's talking about more abstract qualitative stuff like tone and character.
Also, where are you getting this 50 number?
>>81757817
>Something that every one that tries to defendMos seem to gloss over is that fact that this superman has no character
We aren't glossing over it, we actively disagree.
>>81758111
>Zod was in control the whole time
So he wanted Superman to choke him and use him as a landing cushion?
>>81758085
>god awful tone
For camp lovers.
>and one of the worst characterizations of Superman ever made
Not even remotely, Earth One is similar and yet VASTLY worse.
>>81754715
>are you for fucking real mate? how much of a delusional fucking fanboy are you?
Not as much as you since you seem to be flustered too easily.
>>81758174
What's his character and give an example.
In BvS, as the senate room explodes, I love how he's not sad at all. He just stands there with a puzzled look.
>>81758127
defenders of MoS don't even bother defending Clark letting Pa Kent die for a dog
the movie was ruined way before the ending
>>81758270
>Not even remotely, Earth One is similar and yet VASTLY worse.
I would've agreed with this before BvS was out.
>>81758085
>most commercially successful superman movie of all time
>7.2/10 on imdb
>75% audience score on rt
>'people dislike it'
>>81758270
If you think MOS's tone is good, you have shit taste. Simple as that. There's more ways of not being camp than complete dour boring bullshit.
>>81758253
Like I said he was in control right up UNTIL THE LAST LITTLE PORTION RIGHT OVER THE CITY!!!
So you saying Clark took them back into the city is fucking wrong.
It would be retarded for Clark not to take advantage of the velocity they had picked up and try to take out Zod with a earth impact (it's how he took out DD in Superman DD 07)
>>81758351
what was he supposed to do? cry? can a nigga be confused for 5 seconds
We've known this Superman long enough to know he's a good guy. Man of Steel only had an hour and a half to establish his character as someone who really cares about people, and it did a poor job of that.
As has been said before, a single scene of Superman helping to rebuild the city at the end would have made a world of difference.
>>81758435
You mean the guy who's supposed to be super-fast?
>>81758395
Come on, bruh. He had until atmosphere until the ground. He could take Zod anywhere. He was in full control.
>>81758294
Alien brought to earth, willing and hopeful of doing good things and helping people and is held back by mistrust of humanities reaction both towards himself and to each other.
He appreaciates trust above anything else but doesn't expect to get it.
He is is a loaner but once you do establish trust he can be openly freindly & charismatic.
here's the real kicker, let's see those comments on the video of the OP pic
I'm confused now? are these people in the wrong? are these people the MoS 'defenders'?
top fucking lel
>>81758511
he was supposed to run somewhere?
>>81758354
He didn't even remotely die for the fucking dog, he died so his son wouldn't be revealed to the world before he was ready to make a positive difference.
You ask why he didn't send Clark after the Dog, he valued Clark protecting Martha and the little girl more.
>>81758706
he could have just let the dog die
ergo he died for the dog
>>81758361
He still wants to help people in BVS more then he does in EO.
>>81754924
>>81754974
Go to bed Zack. Your movies suck.
>>81758604
you just can't win with these people, this is a deeper hate, people hate superman because he isn't a marvel superhero
>>81758706
What he should have done is save his dad and have the news write this headline
>Miracle on Route 94 as Boy and Father escapes Tornado Unharmed
Stranger shit has happened in real life and we don't immediately think "that dudes an alien."
>>81758387
No its not, there is no such thing as a shit taste in tone, it's a personal preference.
It's like saying you have shit taste because Blue is your favorite color.
And it wasn't boring or dour to me.
>>81758664
He knew the bomb was going to go off, he didn't react to it going off, nor did he feel compassion for those it killed.
>>81758585
Yes and he already tried to take Zod elsewhere when he let loose with the full power punches high above the city and took them to the edge of downtown and Zod swerved back in.
>>81758873
are you insane? now you're just resorting to making shit up?
>>81758604
Deez niggaz watched too much Dragonball Z.
"Hey super strong enemy, let us go fight in a barren area far from population centers."
"Your argument sways me, let us go fight in an area with little to no collateral damage."
>>81758918
isn't that the main argument of the people who are attacking MoS end battle?
and let's not kid ourselves, those youtubers are the same people who attack MoS for the same reasons
>>81758380
They liked it so much Warner wasn't willing to give Superman a sequel without the Bat crutch
>>81758975
lol what the fuck? what the fuck are you even talking about, it's like saying winter soldier was hated and a failure and now marvel is giving cap the iron man + all of the avengers crutch, it makes no sense, why are you such a hypocrite bro?
>>81758918
What's wrong with that? Asking the enemy to fight in a place where there is no people seems like a great idea or he can just run away and let the enemy chase him. That's a better idea than crashing down a building.
>>81759059
this
that's why JLU sucks dick, it's exactly like MoS
Facts:
World Engine did 95% of the destruction and deaths
Zod is the one throwing Superman through buildings
Superman isn't given a secondd reprieve from Zod's attacks
As the two are flying in the city, you can see Superman intentionally zipping around buildings, and not crashing through them himself for no reason as Zod does.
Superman causes some damage himself when he slams Zod's face into the side of a building and basically glides over it, shattering the glass, this is one of the few instances of actual damage that Superman causes, and is NOT out of line compared to actions taken by comic book Superman.
Like, unless you are autistic, there is no other way to interpret the battle as 99% of the damage and deaths are being caused directly by Zod and his World Engine.
I mean, for fuck's sake in BvS, you see that Zod throws Superman INTO the Wayne Tower, and it's Zod who lasers it into rubble (as seen in MoS)
The entire battle, is very much a realistic take on what two superhuman gods fighting in a city would be like, and yes, Superman himself did cause some collateral damage, but it was MINIMAL at best compared to what was caused by Zod and the World Engine. It's easy to pretend there is no effect when it comes to battles like this when we are watching comics and cartoons (or Marvel movies where the consequences are of no importance until we need to shit out a civil war movie and pretend it's now an issue), but a deliberate effort was made to show the toll in a real live action setting.
Anytime someone argues that Superman caused 1000s of deaths...you can safely discard their opinion as an idiot, as they clearly have no ability to watch and comprehend visual entertainment. And let's conveniently ignore that Superman saves 6 fucking billion people in Man of Steel.
>>81758380
I specifically said people disliked the destruction scenes, not the entire film. We're in a thread solely created to defend the film from that rather popular opinion, after all. But hey, it's clear you're insecure about that too with your sudden mention of user ratings and complete lack of response to any of my other arguements. Did you forget the many reviews saying it was bad? Or how much shit it gets on most forums? It's mediocre RT score? Did you forget that BVS, which is a continuation of MOS's awful Superman, was also a universally hated critical and commercial failure? Do you think Justice Leauge will be any different?
These movies are shit, and it has nothing to do with Marvel, Disney, the intelligence of the audience, or some kind of bias for light hearted movies. It's the result of a director with no talent, as well as a script and tone that completely misunderstands Superman. If you're too stupid to understand that, and would rather spend your time watching bad movies and making shitposts denying they're bad on 4chan, there's nothing I can do to help you.
Maybe one day, you'll take your head out of your ass and actually see an enjoyable depiction of Superman, like in All Star, Birthright, Kingdom Come or anything by Kurt Buseik, maybe then you'll learn to stop being such an incredible dumbass. In the meantime, enjoy your denial.
>>81759420
>We're in a thread solely created to defend the film
it was more of a critique of JLU and the double standard that people have, but in fact I was wrong people don't have a double standard, people hate both MoS and this scene as seen in >>81758604
>>81759420
Also fact: the next scene in the city is Clark smiling as he heads to work and the city is magically rebuilt and no one talks about how much people died.
>>81753896
Did just grab the screenshots without watching the scene? The youtube link is right below you. Listen to the dialogue, Superman right out talks about how he feels like he must always be careful, because people could get hurt if he doesn't control himself.
Meanwhile Man of Steel goes around stabbing trucks with telephone poles whenever he gets pissed off.
>>81754400
>he comes off as uncaring during the destruction
I didn't get that impression at all. He simply is focussed on the biggest threat to Earth and the city, Zod and the terraformer.
>>81754064
Imagine if they put that scene in the Justice League movie.
>>81759844
people would bitch and moan about how superman killed people by launching darkseid in to buildings in broad day-light and killing people inside
>>81759844
None of that dialogue would work after all the destruction we've seen Clark make in MOS though.
>Sometimes I feel like I'm in a world of cardboard
>Constantly destroying shit without a care
>Yet people still don't like me? Even after all the moping and my complete lack of humanity?
>Oh well, it doesn't matter, I'm gonna punch you real hard while out of place Hans Zimmer music place and Snyder shows the entire city imploding on itself!
>>81760234
what did Superman destroy in MoS?
Zod and his world engine destroyed metropolis you blind faggot, not Superman
I get the sense that Man of Steel is like a certain pony show. It's just alright, flawed but also having positive traits, but there's this rampant desire to hate it and treat it like it's objectively 100% trash.
BvS is similar except that it actually is bad but only about 95% bad
>>81760290
Sssh, let it go. it's Superman's fault for letting Zod lasering everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BJ1-trrgqc
here's more JLU superman rekking shit, lmao, protip:it's only not ok when snyder does it
>>81760472
Or this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zexXH3lS8Uw&nohtml5=False
>>81760472
Lex city isn't populated you fucking retard.
>>81760549
I was talking more specifically about the JLU superman, since this thread is about him, nigga leveled cities every 2 episodes, every major fight JL had in that show was in the middle of some city
>>81754400
I agree with almost everything except
>a greater threat.
It's been a while since I watched MoS but wasn't the whole thing terraforming and conquering the earth? (or maybe exterminating the humans and occupying the earth? I cant remember.) The stakes were pretty high, and it'd been shown that no one else could face the alien menace, so I guess the level of destruction is appropiate (desperate battle yadda yadda). The problem is having it be the debut of a barely developed Superman, so it gives the immediate impression that he doesn't care much or at all about collateral damage, which takes the character in the wrong direction from the get-go instead of appearing as a moment of desperation from a paragon of virtue.
>>81760696
I just wanted to see more of Superman getting serious. I feel like the movie just forces his power but never his emotion and how much bullshit he deals with.
>>81760556
ok, but neither were the buildings in the OP post, or at least that's what the anons itt told us? or are they lying?
because if they're lying superman launched darkseid in to populated buildings, I don't think anyone inside survived :(
>>81760853
EVERY BUILDING IS EMPTY WHEN IT SUITS MY ARGUMENTS!
>>81754974
This. I don't think BvS was amazing or flawless, but people seem to be trying to find things to hate despite the fact that these "issues" have already been established or done in other mediums.
>>81754930
The pacing, editing, and directing were shit and it drastically hurt the tone. Snyder was all over the goddamn map wi th that movie that it felt like The Phantom Menace. Just no regard.
>>81753896
>It's basically the same fight.
It really isn't.
That fight was Superman being able to let loose after holding it in..
The fight in MoS was Superman being forced to let loose after holding it in.
I suppose that in MoS, Supes is still trying to live in that "world of cardboard", as if he's still a part of it, and Zod's pulling him out of it, by force. This is a fight he doesn't want to have cause it forces him to realize that he's not really a part of the world he loves.
