>In the latest Ask Marvel, mixed-martial artists and comic book writer CM Punk took to answering fans questions and the answers are quite unique. He tells us that continuity doesn’t matter (with a few added colorful words), that research is just a way to get free comics and that they’ll let anyone write a comic at Marvel. The Drax writer is obviously having fun with the answers… I just hope no one is searching through Ivy League university catalogs for comic writing courses.
Whelp, that about sums it up.
>>81671313
how many copies a month does Drax sell again.
>>81671415
11/15 Drax #1 - 49,601
12/15 Drax #2 - 23,054 (-53.5%)
01/16 Drax #3 - 18,837 (-18.3%)
02/16 Drax #4 - 14,620 (-22.4%)
>>81671313
>He tells us that continuity doesn’t matter (with a few added colorful words), that research is just a way to get free comics and that they’ll let anyone write a comic at Marvel.
None of those are bad, even if they're humorous answers. The problem boils down to lack of editorial vision, and obviously actual writing talent, which "CM Punk" and some of Marvel's pool seem to lack.
>>81671313
Guy was joking and honestly isn't the best writer but the fact people take what he said as a negative just shows why theres such a huge problem with comic fandom.
Fucking comic fans don't even give a fuck about a story just being good today. They just require it be in line with all the fucking minutia from canon past because if something a character does now doesn't jive up with some trivia answer fact from 1992 who cares if the writing is good.
Everyone is obsessed with the character being exactly as they should (ie: the way the character was written at the time they first began liking the character).
For me i'll take shit that doesnt line up perfectly with continuity if the story is an amazing story for that character.
>>81671313
When will someone murder CM Punk
>>81671313
>mixed-martial artist
>>81671973
Why does it need to be one extreme or the other? Fans and their thoughts need to be disregarded, but the ideal is that each story is well crafted in and of itself while at the same time making a meaningful contribution to the canon
>>81672050
Go back to /sp/, Vinnie Mac.
>>81671313
Quesada and Bendis have already admitted this was true in the 00s when Bendis was just doing whatever he wanted with New Avengers.
>>81671313
>they’ll let anyone write a comic at Marvel
NO SHIT!
>>81671313
Nice source.
>>81671313
How do I get a job writing for Marvel then
>>81671313
Joe Quesada about continuity:
>For me, that’s the key; is a continuity glitch going to keep a writer from writing an incredible story? If it is, then to hell with the continuity – just go and write the great story; we’ll fix the rest later.
I honestly don't care that much for continuity if the story warrants it.
In fact most stand-out arcs have continuity mistakes and soft-retcons of some kind. NO ONE CARES if the books are good.
>>81672290
Have you asked Marvel?
>>81671313
>call him a mixed martial artist
>when he hasn't had a single fight and never will
Never change, comics "journalism."
>>81672347
Where do I ask?
>>81672349
They don't care about continuity, as long as it's a good article.
>>81671973
>For me i'll take shit that doesnt line up perfectly with continuity if the story is an amazing story for that character.
How about shit that doesn't line up at all? Shit that directly contradicts every previous depiction of the character? Continuity is story
So pretty much what Jim Lee and Dan Didio were saying last year.
>>81672079
No anon, no goddammit, the canon should shape itself around meaningful stories, never the other way around
>>81672079
>Why does it need to be one extreme or the other?
Because there are very few Ewings, Robinsons, and Busieks in the industry.
>>81672363
http://marvel.disneycareers.com/en/career-areas/creative/creative/
>Marvel used its shared universe and continuity as a main selling point for years
>Actively disregards it now
>>81672349
>>81672061
to be fair, mixed martial artists and wrestlers are the same thing
>>81672412
At this point comics are just rough draft material for movies, TV and cartoons.
>>81672435
The difference is that DC does it to push the medium into new, groundbreaking directions by actively putting out genre defining books of the highest caliber. They use "story > continuity" in service of quality, constantly seeking new and interesting ways to revitalize a dying industry, through imaginative and thoughtful tales crafted by top tier creators with depth and nuance.
Marvel on the other hand just uses it as an excuse to be lazy and shill their quip-infested meme-garbage.
>>81672290
do a webcomic as SJW as you can go
promote it on tumblr
wait a few weeks
that's about it
>>81672521
Wrestlers are actors and belong on /asp/ or /tv/
Are you seriously taking joke answers as an example for how an entire publisher is run? Both the big 2 have a range of leniency on how they treat continuity: very light on side universes and character books outside of the main canon, more closely moderated but flexible on big character and main universe titles, and careful control of continuity for events.
>>81672521
>:^)
>>81671313
Pretty sure he was joking even if Marvel is shit.
Also Cammy and Pip are coming back in the Drax title so there is some continuity and Drax's past being acknowledged, honestly you fags just want to bitch.
>>81672412
>How about shit that doesn't line up at all?
Who cares? Should we put an Elseworlds label on the cover to soothe your autism?
>>81671487
woof
>>81672615
Same goes for mixed martial artists and boxers.
>>81672572
DC marketers must have it rough.
>>81672630
DRAX #8
CM PUNK and CULLEN BUNN (W) • SCOTT HEPBURN (A/C)
REFUGEE KIDS FREE TO A GOOD HOME!
• Drax’s mission to return all of the Fin Fang Foom refugee children continues to go well. Except, you know, for all the bounty hunters after him.
• Ironically, one of the bounty hunters is CAMMI, another child Drax was tricked into caring about. Will she lead him to the person who put the hit out on Drax?
• Who are those other bounty hunters she’s with? Oh, only PIP THE TROLL and…PLANET TERRY???
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99
>>81672572
It's always been slightly flexible at Marvel. Hence people winning No Prizes back in the day for pointing out this stuff sperglords.
>>81671313
>it's only okay when Marvel does it
>>81672572
I can't decide if this is better or worse than the marvel cock sucking that went on here a a while back
Okay. So. Has there ever been a killer run on a character that only happened because somebody shat on continuity?
I can't think of one.
I can only think of killer runs that happened because writers deep dived on old stories from past continuity.
>>81672844
People really liked Manapulo's Flash, but I can't say if that was actually any good or not beyond the art.
>>81672844
Yes, all of them.
>>81672844
People seem to like Azz's Wonder Woman a lot.
>>81672641
You need to remember that shit like Civil War is considered "good" by normies. If you let continuity go and allow characters to be defined by the "good" stories then you're basically putting all the power in the hands of the few writers that get to write event comics. Shitters like Bendis
>b-b-but we shouldn't have events
Tough, that's the state of the industry
>>81672800
Worse
>>81672880
>>81672944
Both runs that happened after an event designed to kick out previous continuity.
Also Azz's Wondy run was very divisive, and seems to be getting the boot soon.
>>81672702
How is the Drax book?
I don't think I even read the first issue.
>>81672957
I just wish they did events better. I wish they took lessons from Johns Green Lantern, some of the X stuff, Chaos War, and a few others. Have a title build up a really big plot over two or three years, lay the ground work, and then bam, have the event be the big payoff finale. No more of this OH SHIT BIG THING BUY THIS. Use solos to generate hype.
>>81673019
But that requires continuity, which is evil.
>>81672844
Omega Men completely ignores the previously introduced Omega Men
>>81673038
How many years ago and how many Crisis' ago was that?
>>81672967
So you agree that people like Azz Wonder Woman despite it shitting all over her continuity.
>>81672957
A bunch of stuff from CW has already been forgotten and retconned
>death of Cap
>Iron Man the monster
>Penance (lel)
>Peter's secret identity
>whatever was going on with the F4
Hence, shit stories eventually are washed away.
>>81673072
All New 52.
They were in Liefeld's Deathstroke
>>81673088
I'm saying it was written at a time when Wonder Woman literally didn't have any continuity.
>>81673137
Because he deliberately ignored it.
Azz said he found Diana's rogues stupid so he ignored them all.
Well hell, looks like there is hope for me after all!
>>81673117
>Penance
Wrong, every book Speedball appeared after CW mentioned the Penance phase.
>>81673117
Good stories get washed away too and the ones that don't get endlessly rehashed until they are no longer good. The industry is rotten and no amount of idealism about the genius of writers can change it.
>>81673270
It was kind of funny watching writers be split on whether to take that seriously or not.
>>81673270
Penance lasted like 3 years and then he went down the tubes.
>>81672702
How's this? I'm curious enough now
Blessed Al Ewing
>>81673038
Omega Men absolutely doesn't ignore continuity though.
>>81673450
>>81673117
and then the retcons are even more retarded
>Cap spirit was trapped in time or some convoluted bullshit
>Tony formatted his brain, and his backup brain last update was before Civil War
>Deal with the devil lol
>Millar and Hitch trying and failing miserably to channel Lee/Kirby
>>81673117
>>81673633
You both know that the Steve Rogers dying story was planned long before Civil War, and actually had nothing to do with it? The only effect Civil War had was why Steve was under arrest for the two pages before he was shot. Brubaker could have had the same story with him walking to the corner market. The entire return was planned out too. In the "Director's Cut" of the death issue, they included the script. With the description of the science fiction gun Sharon uses censored.
Also Spidey's identity was already secret again, thanks to the story where he claimed to just be ONE of the Iron-Spidery guys, not the original Spider-Man.
>>81672880
The art was the main redeeming quality of that.
>>81671313
He is going to write Cammi, character who, honestly, needs to have as much of her continuity ignored a possible. Less we get insufferable holier-than-thou hypocrite who is always right and anyone who ever dares to question her is evil and is better and more competent at everything than more experienced characters despite being fucking 13.
>>81673858
>Less we get insufferable holier-than-thou hypocrite who is always right and anyone who ever dares to question her is evil and is better and more competent at everything than more experienced characters despite being fucking 13.
You mean like how tons of 13 year olds act already?
>>81672603
You forgot something
>Claim to be any type of minority you can grasp on to. The more the better.
>Claim to be LGBT as much as possible if you have a dick. If you're a girl, you're golden
>Claim the patriarchy is trying to silence you. Make false claims about being attacked whenever possible so you can be praised for how brave you are. Have a patreon set up for "support" of your work while trying to get the attention of Marvel for a title.
>Be as shitty of an artist/writer as you can, claim it's your style and haters just don't understand
>>81672702
>Pip the Troll
>Nicotine patches everywhere since smoking is banned at Marvel
kek
>>81673945
But real 13-year olds gets called on it and not taken seriously, while two books were bending over backwards to make sure this little brat is always right and always the best ever.
>>81674042
So then your problem is with how the other characters were written, not hers?
>>81674042
Every single thing Hopeless did needs to be ignored or retconned. He added nothing to any characters. He was just destructive to a lot of interesting existing characters.
>>81672702
>>81674013
I feel kind of bad that Pip's been basically ignored in modern Cosmic Marvel. He was part of important groups for decades.
>>81672468
Then why have a shared universe or continuity if anyone can disregard it at any moment "as long as the story is good"? Every book should just be its own continuity and have no connection to anything else and every time the writer changes the book reboots and gets a new continuity as well.
The idea of continuity and the shared universe is too entrenched into cape comics to be done away with. And honestly given how shit Marvel is right now, their ideas of what constitutes a story good enough to just ignore continuity or past characterization and do whatever is extremely suspect.
>>81673117
Penance hasn't gone away and in fact the recent New Warriors series had suggested that Speedball is largely putting on a facade and that all the guilty and self-loathing that led to Penance is still there under the surface.
>>81673719
>Also Spidey's identity was already secret again, thanks to the story where he claimed to just be ONE of the Iron-Spidery guys, not the original Spider-Man.
Nope. That was one of Slott's shitty "I'm cleverly retconning something I don't like" moments that, of course, everyone else ignored much like his Universe A shit, claiming it was a robot She-Hulk that slept with Juggernaut, the "third degree burns and stomachs pumped" instant retcon to a bunch of villains getting killed in Fraction's Punisher (which basically seems to just be ignored though more than anything) or Hank Pym: Scientist Supreme.
>>81674641
Just retread the old stuff. That's what I do.
I wish people didn't limit themselves to the Annihilation stories. There's so much good Cosmic shit in between Starlin's Infinity Saga and Annihilation.
>>81672983
>>81673399
I read the first three issues and it's mediocre, not dogshit but not exactly the best thing ever.
I think Terrax appears at some point too, I can't be arsed to look it up.
And then some alien kids are involved but I didn’t read that far.
I guess if you're curious about Cammi and Pip just read that one issue, also Planet Terry is a very obscure character I am surprised someone remembered him.
>>81675706
This, I started with the Guffen and DnA stuff but went to read Starlin and everything else out there.
The state of Marvel Cosmic makes me cry now.
>>81671313
>and that they’ll let anyone write a comic at Marvel.
Oh we know, Mr. Punk. Trust us. We know...
>>81676070
Hang in there anon, we may yet know such heights again...
>>81671487
Cancellation incoming
>>81676015
Planet Terry is from Marvel's defunct 80's imprint Star Comics. He was last seen in the 2009 mini X-Babies.
>>81672050
his opponent for his first UFC fight I bet
>>81672983
I don't think anything past 1# was even storytimed
What does Valiant do with their events that make them work that marvel doesn't?
>>81678924
I can't even remember the last time the main GOTG book was storytimed.
>>81673160
It's still a different Wonder Woman
>>81671313
>Continuity Doesn’t Matter
more like comics don't matter
movies are the only thing that matter to these companies now.
comics are just there as ads for their movies and merchandise
>>81679767
I'm surprised they even care about sales at this point. Even bad movies make multiple times over what the entire comic book industry makes every year.
>>81672702
>Planet Terry
Wow, now THAT'S a deep cut.
>>81676015
>I think Terrax appears at some point too, I can't be arsed to look it up.
He appears at the end of the first issue and appears throughout issues 2 and 3, even being on the cover of 2. You clearly didn't read any of the issues if you somehow don't even know if he's in the book or not.
>>81673117
Penance is going to be in Contest of Champions' Civil War tie-in. Pic related.
>>81672783
You mean it's only okay when DC does it?
>gets mad at WWE for letting people with name recognition get promoted over people who have been working hard in the company for years because of money.
>Works at Marvel because of name recognition and get promoted over people who have been working hard in the company for years because of money.
>
>Gets UFC contract because of name recognition and get promoted over people who have been working hard in the company for years because of money.
Is there any bigger hypocrite in the world than CM Punk?
>>81673160
Good, because why would a warrior princess have a bad relationship with the god of war?
>>81680163
>Penance
he is bringing the cat right?
>>81676015
>I think Terrax appears at some point too
Terrax is free of continuity, becasue 1) he's so cool looking, 2) he's always getting killed and brought back with little to no explanation
>CM Punk will never come back to WWE
Please, we need you ;_;
>>81681868
Last I saw Niels was with Jim Hammond.
>>81682333
>Niels
>>81672521
To be fair your a fucking retard.
>>81682409
*you are
That's actually kinda funny. I'm afraid of picking up any DC comics because I thought they every story was set in a different universe every time with no continuity.
>>81682324
He hates it so much he'll never come back
>>81680501
It'll be funny when he comes back to WWE in three years because of name recognition and gets promoted over people who have been working hard in the company for years because of money.
I really think that's his endgame.
>>81682324
If he succeeds in the UFC, he'll come back for a big Mania main event, then hit up the podcasts to declare that he was right all along about part timers.
He's exactly that kind of asshole.
>>81682641
Shame UFC and WWE are two very different ball games.
>>81682398
I don't know why pic related didn't get uploaded.
>>81682662
They really aren't.
>>81682641
He isn't fighting anytime soon because of back surgery, his opponents is a young kid way more skilled that him, he's fucked, he should have fought some amateur fights instead of using his fame to fight in the UFC right away.
As for WWE haven't watched it for years, I only saw him as wrestler on RoH and I really liked him bakc then.
>>81682779
One is fake and one is a sport, so one is predetermined and one isn't, stop trolling.
>>81682781
Who know what's happening. I have serious doubts the UFC is as legit as they say it is, but maybe he'll be great.
I'm not sure you're missing much. But if you want to watch some wrestling I'd recommend Lucha Underground. It's way more story, the crazy is amped up, and the talent is phenomenal.
>>81682883
Oh so you really are a dumbass, sorry at this time with years of Mixed Martial Arts being a sport, saying its "fake", is even worse than those people saying it should be banned because its too violent.
I'm not watching wrestling I watch MMA.
>>81671313
Someone do this, but with Quesada.
>>81679326
Valiant doesn't give their events to Bendis.
>>81675706
>>81676070
Okay. Question for you folks. What's good outside of Starlin, Giffen, and DnA? I know the full breath and with of Starlin's work and the Annihilation era.
Original Surfer, Rocket and Groot, Starlord, Quasar, original Nova, Galactic Storm, original Kree/Skrull War. Anything else cosmic worth reading?
>>81676070
>>81678421
Just remember, many probably felt this pain after the original Infinity era ended on a whimper with the end of Crusade.
>>81682940
Hey, no need to get so defensive about your stupid "sport".
I never said MMA was fake, I said the UFC isn't legit. Matches are setup so that people will win and people will lose. Otherwise every main event on every UFC card would be two grapplers rolling around until one could lock in a lucky submission or they went to time. But no, shit talking strikers, and the shit talkers are always strikers, come up talk some shit and get a title shot after a couple of KOs against some nobodies.
As for watching MMA. More power to you man. I'm going to watch a show that has an a pair of undercover cops trying to infiltrate an underground fighting ring that is inhabited by a dragon in man form, an ancient astronaut, and the decedents of ancient Aztec tribes fighting for the Gift of the Gods. You can watch your crossfit assholes rolling around trying to intentionally hurt each other.
>>81683176
Holy shit. Annihilation > Conquest > War of Kings > Thanos Imperative > Annihilators. Each weaker than the last, ending an era.
Infinity Gauntlet > War > Crusade > Abyss > Marvel the End.
Again, each weaker than the last, ending an era. In each case, the first three were real events, with the next few being mere minis.
There's now a pattern we can look at.
Soon there may be a new Gauntlet. A new Annihilation. A new era of amazing stories. Hold out hope.
>>81671487
>>81671313
Well, the guy's job is getting punched in the head. Those are kind of the results you'd expect.
>>81683133
Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four if you haven't already read it. Frankly, Lee/Kirby F4 should be required reading for ANYONE who wants to get into Marvel.
PAD's Captain Marvel is good. The current Ultimates run is shaping up to be some fantastic cosmic goodness too.
>>81684018
Wow, I'm actually reading that now. It took 15 issues for it to seem like these four actually like each other, but they're starting to seem like the somewhat dysfunctional family they are.
Also I found out Annihilus doesn't show up until Annual 6. Fuck.
>>81672983
>>81678924
I didn't even know the book was out yet. I remember his bit for the Thor Annual, but between then and now it's just been a haze of shitposting and disappointments.
>Marvel writers are literally too lazy to check wikipedia
LOL BUT DAT MCU RIGHT??
>>81683327
I wasn't trying to be offensive that is jsut really stupid, i said sorry in the same post.
You have no idea what you are talking about, not really going to try and explain it to you.
I'm watching a martial arts fights, I don't see how martial artists competing is two idiots rolling around trying to hurt each other.
>>81684178
I wish with the Ultimate line dead, they'd just start a full line of movie tie in comics. Let the lazier writers tie in to the films, they'd be really normie friendly too. Everybody wins.
>>81684018
>PAD's Captain Marvel is good
Mah Nigga....
>>81684274
thats actually not a bad idea... just make movieverse books and comic canon books seperate, the synergy thing annoys the shit out of alot of comic dorks and the mcu/tv dorks dont give a toss about the comic stuff.
how is this so difficult for the marvel kikes?
>>81684514
Because people only buy books that "matter," and even then they don't really care if they're connected to the films.
Iron-Man and Captain America's book sales aren't fantastic despite having very successful movies. Drax is already 14k despite being one of the team members of the GotG.
/co/ vastly overestimates the amount of people who buy comics that care about them being connected to the MCU.
>>81684695
No, /co/ knows just fine. It's the editors who still think it matters.
>>81684101
Yeah, I think it starts off a bit rough, but wants it gets going, it's some of the best the Marvel has to offer.
>>81671313
>Continuity Doesn’t Matter And They’ll Let Anyone Write A Comic At Marvel
Yes. And?
>>81671313
>Continuity Doesn’t Matter And They’ll Let Anyone Write A Comic At Marvel (So Long As They Push Disney's Progressive Agenda)
Fixed
