ITT retcons you're still salty about.
Hal Jordan doing nothing wrong.
>>81658569If it matters, which i'm sure it doesn't, i'm black.
>>81658617
At least the costume is good
Except for that stupid exposed top of the head, it reminds me of JUST
>>81658735
>Except for that stupid exposed top of the headWhat's the point of being fast if you can't feel the wind in your hair?
>>81658617
I love how his hair and mask thing look like arrow.
Someone post the page where Batman reacts to the news Hal is back and everyone forgives him.
>>81658569
Depending how Venditti takes this arc that might be retconned.
>>81658862
How else are people going to know that he runs forward?
>>81658617
I don't mind him being black, but it would be nice if they would finally made him Flash or Kid Flash instead of just teasing it.
>>81658892
I would like to see this
>>81658617
>Retcons
This didn't retroactively change Wally's history or anything dillweed.
>>81659683
no it just retroactively change who he fucking is
>>81658617
I'm fine with new characters being any kind of minority or token you want. Miles Spider-man for example. But changing existing characters is fucking cheap.
>>81659833
No it didn't. It changed it going forward, but 52 is a new Universe. Nothing retroactively changed.
>>81660095
>new universe
Oh dear...
>>81658735
that costume is like an ugly cyborg rip off bro. It's all bad.
>>81660095
New 52 isn't a new universe, it's the old universe merged with a couple other universes. That is the retconned origin of Wally West. There's no Pre-52 universe where old Wally's history ever happened. I guess he (pre52 Wally) technically still exists in the same way Superman does because Telos scooped him up, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not a "new" universe, it's the old one changed. Which is what a retcon is.
Hell that's what Flashpoint was. Barry fucking up and retroactively changing the entire universe. He tried to put it back and Pandora and him fucked some shit up. Wally foremost among them.
Fraction messing with Doom's origin, for two issues worth of drama.
If you're going to retcon, at least make it worth it.
Original Sin
All of it.
>Ult. Peter Parker was actually alive, guys!
>I still need him to ride Miles' cock and fuck off somewhere with Mary Jane
Fuck Bendis. It retroactively shits on one of the best Ultimate Spider-Man moments.
>>81660267
Deadpool was good.
>>81658911
parallax hal from convergence is already the fearbug
people were pissed
>>81659323
He's Kid Flash now in Rebirth
>>81660541
The comics I've read with him were vague and didn't conclude anything definitely.
>>81660606
>vague
>>81660181
No, Flashpoint was a cool Flash story that editorial forced into being an event.
Also, fuck what Didio says; Hypertime is still around and the Flashes always find a way. NuWally may be black for a while, but classic Wally will definitely show up one of these days to help with a big e ought event.
I wish /co/'s old theory of the fear bug being a get out of jail free card created when Parallax caused Zero Hour was true.
>>81660623
Looks like evil Hal, no bug there.
>>81658617
>Wally being black
Cool
>Literally every aspect of his character changing and that stupid fucking silver costume
You know what I change my mind fuck you
>>81660435
New 52 Teen Titans is just filled with horrible horrible people
>>81660662
Evil Hal didn't have pointy teeth or claws or spoopy text and later he literally bleeds yellow. Those were all part of the retcon
>>81660662
c'mon anon
>>81660662
Parallax Hal didn't have pointy teeth nor yellow word bubbles before the retcon
>>81660435
>Looks this up
What the fuck, DC? Seriously?
>>81660435
Context?
>>81660662
Before the bug retcon, Parallax was just Hal Jordan with a bit of white hair and an alternate costume.
>>81658569
That retcon is what eventually gave us Geoff's run. It was probably the least damaging retcon of all time, and all things considered probably the best thing they could have done considering making Hal a villain was a mistake.
>>81660857
Bart Allen is actually a murderous spacefuture criminal dickbag, apparently, and all his friendships and being a nice guy were an act.
>>81660834
It's incredible how badly DC botched a fresh start for the Teen Titans, they could've made it good but instead they handed the reigns to shit writers.
>>81660885
A villain posing as Bart Allen? Like when Waid wrote Barry Allen?
>>81660877
>comics Atrocitus is a morally ambiguous vigilante who avoids hurting innocents
>GL TAS turns him into an outright cartoonish villain who destroys planets for shits and giggles
Only thing that really bothered me about the animated series.
>>81660910
A villain posing as Bart Allen, who - as far as I'm aware - does not actually exist. Bart is a fictional identity created by "Barr Torr".
The New 52 was a mistake.
>>81660923
I loved the moment in the comics was when he was made to realise that not everyone who's angry enough to become a Red Lantern is as "righteous" as he is, some of them are right evil bastards.
I just really like the concept of this Punisher-esque guy trying to keep a bunch of murderous lunatics in line.
>>81658569
Stay salty you fucking fags, Hal did nothing wrong.
>>81660435
>>81660885
What the fuck. I loved Bart's childish and naive personality back when he was Impulse. Haven't really bothered following New 52, but really upsetting to hear what's become of him.
>>81660987
He's also not actually Bart Allen, that was a fake name he used. His name is Bar Torr
>>81660998
Just like how Tim Drake doesn't really exist and is just a fake name Red Robin has
>>81660956
>Stay salty
Pretty rich, seeing as the reason the retcon happened in the first place is because the fan reaction to Hal's turn was the saltiest of all salty fanboy reactions.
Hell, they even took out an ad in Wizard magazine to protest the 'injustice' of Emerald Twilight.
>>81661040
You know, I'd always heard about that ad, but I'd never seen it, so I just googled it, to see if there was a picture around.
>Support the rebirth
>the story where Hal is brought back as the one true GL is Green Lantern: Rebirth
Goddamn, they didn't even try to hide their pandering, huh?
>>81661040
I really don't know what the fuck DC was thinking. Hal was their 3rd or 4th most popular male hero ever and they chose to waste him on a 90s poorly planned gimmick. At least they had outs for Superman and Batman gimmicks.
Anyway it's just Kylefags being salty. If you were reading comics at that time, Rebirth was a fucking blessing.
>>81661040
>the fan reaction to Hal's turn was the saltiest of all salty fanboy reactions.
To be fair Emerald Twilight was a pretty big fuck you to Hal in particular and everything GL related in general and the editors were total cunts about it, the salt levels of fan reaction is hardly surprising
>>81661084
This doesn't actually seem that salty, just desperate
>in coexistence with Kyle Rayner
>>81660867
This looks SO much better than >>81660623
I mean, I don't dig all that much this stupid bug thing, but at least make it so it doesn't look so cartoonish all the time.
>>81660435
yet people say the trial of kid flash is good
>>81661243
Well Billy Tan can't draw Hal worth a damn anyway
I liked Mahnke's Parallax Hal
>>81659323
>I don't mind him being black
Then you are a casual faggot that never cared about the character.
>>81660867
God that suit is perfect.
>>81660877
>at retcon is what eventually gave us Geoff's run
Fuck off, it was a terrible thing to do. there was no need for that. The GL run could had been possible anyway just by keeping Hal outside the league and outside earth. And letting Kyle stay as the GL of the league and the sector.
Hal as a villian was the most interesting shit the character has ever done. He worked better as a fallen hero.
>>81661120
>Hal was their 3rd or 4th most popular male hero
He wasnt.
>>81661792
>The GL run could had been possible anyway just by keeping Hal outside the league and outside earth. And letting Kyle stay as the GL of the league and the sector.
>The GL run could had been possible anyway just by having it be completely different
>Hal as a villian was the most interesting shit the character has ever done. He worked better as a fallen hero.
Oh, you're one of those types. Opinion disregarded
>>81661882
Hal best moment is still final night.
>>81661084
I thought that was a middle finger construct at first.
>>81658569
Can you believe there are still people who will fight you on this one, OP.
>>81662395
It's probably just fags who got into comics through Johns' GL.
>>81661826
Who was then? Do enlighten us. After the Flash, he was.
>>81658735
>At least the costume is good
He looks ridiculously evil.
>>81662459
No, it's also the fags who saw the 90s gimmick and character butchrey. You must be one of those Kylefags, sucks to be you.
>>81658569
Parallax didn't possess Hal until he entered the Central Power Battery.
Everything before that was all him.
>>81662536
Go eat some cereal Johns.
>>81662649
Technically he was being mentally weakened by Parallax, that was the explanation for the white hair
>>81662483
Did you forget about Dick Grayson?
>>81662682
That's right anon, Kyle is gonna be supporting characters in upcoming Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps. How do you like them apples?
>>81662767
Stop it Venditti you aren't Geoff Johns
>>81660629
They're never going to bring back a white character to take the shine off a black one. Wally's dead, dude. He died the moment they made his New 52 version black. Everything you liked or cared about with Wally died in 2009.
>>81662785
Johns is not Johns anymore.
>>81662708
Grayson got a book in 95, yeah I don't think so.
>>81660699
Not like you can stay true to the character after race swapping them anyhow. Gotta play up being black and write around their blackness.
It's so hard to choose the worst Earth Green Lantern. All of them are so bad.
>>81660435
It would have been cool if it turned out he was actually zoom
>>81662813
Teen Titans was Dick Grayson and friends more than anything back in the silver age, dude. It was basically an excuse to give Dick his own team to feature him all the time because he was so popular.
>>81662813
Teen Titans was the best selling book in the 80's
Are you saying Dick isnt more popular than Hal??
>>81662908
>in the 80's
Emerald Twilight happened in 1994
>>81658617
>black dude
>his superpower is running really, really fast
>>81662885
>>81662908
Yeah, sure. But also the success was because it was DC's X-Men and Perez. Not just one character. By the 90s Titans fandom had deteriorated. Not that I don't consider Dick more popular than Hal, Hal was definitely top 5. I mean they chose to do a 90s huge gimmick and an event around him.
This wouldn't bother me so much if Johns didn't have such an obvious boner for Hal. Throughout his entire run, Hal Jordan was the most powerful, most special and most iconic Green Lantern. Everyone else barely got a moment because Hal basically became Silver Age Superman.
>>81662794
>>81662816
Let's just hope they pull a Falcon and retcon him as never having been a pimp, I guess.
>>81663157
>most iconic Green Lantern
Well he is
>Everyone else barely got a moment because
Green Lantern was Hal's solo title and Kyle & Guy had plenty of moments in GLC
>Hal basically became Silver Age Superman.
lol wat. Johns nerfed the rings more than ever
>>81663290
I meant in terms of importance when I referred to Superman.
Look, I don't know how to phrase it but I just don't like his portrayal.
>>81663372
I agree with you, the whole GL started to be about how special hal was.
>>81663614
What? Even in Johns' books Hal was nothing special to the Corps, and Kyle was the Torchbearer.
>>81660255
Wait, what was this?
>>81663743
>and Kyle was the Torchbearer.
He nerfed ION even more, and then the whole White lantern fiasco. Everyone was saying how he was the greatest even when he killed most of them
>>81658617
>black kid can run fast
Wow I'm so glad the comics industry is finally being progressive and breaking stereotypes.
>>81664012
>Everyone was saying how he was the greatest even when he killed most of them
Except for the two or three arcs where it was made blatantly clear that a lot of the GLC wasn't comfortable with him around and there were still several earth heroes that didn't trust him
Y'all are really over blowing how hyped up Hal was in Johns' run
>>81663743
Are you forgetting how he mastered every single ring and formed the White Lantern corps and killed Krona and even managed to control Nekron?
Did we read the same run?
>>81664064
>Y'all are really over blowing how hyped up Hal was in Johns' run
Characterfaggotry 101. This thread was actually started by a Kylefag. What do you expect?
>>81664208
Doesn't change the fact that Hal is a boring character with boring stories.
>>81664208
How is he a kylefag when he is amd at changed made to Hal?
>>81664064
>Y'all are really over blowing how hyped up Hal was in Johns' run
I'm a Halfag but Johns jerked him off nonstop in his run. He never took a backseat to any of the other GLs during crossovers, he was always right, and he always got put front and center during any big spreads
Are you being purposefully obtuse?
>>81658735
The costume used in the storyline is actually better than the cover.
>>81664283
Because people like to talk as if they were reading comics at the time Emerald Twilight was released and they are a big senpai of Hal Jordan and they really liked what happened. None of it is true. Out of the 3 big DC gimmicks about Superman, Batman and Hal, this was regarded the worst. It really fucking irritated me and a whole lot of people back then. And suddenly contrarion faggots are saying that was the best thing ever? Fuck off with that bull shit. They aren't even contrarion, they are just massive characterfags.
>>81664188
>Are you forgetting how he mastered every single ring
He did no such thing
The red ring was forced onto him and he didn't do anything noteworthy with it, orange was forced onto him and again he did nothing Larfleeze couldn't do, he couldn't use a blue ring AT ALL (and again it was forced onto him, none of these rings CHOSE him), yellow was the only one he was good at using and that was a combination of being used to Parallax and him following a darker thought process which was specifically regarded as a negative thing), he hasn't used sapphire or indigo at all
>formed the White Lantern corps
No he didn't, the entity spat a bunch of white rings at a dozen characters
>and killed Krona
This is literally the ONLY "Hal did something nobody else could have done" thing in Johns entire run and Hal even ends up getting fucked over for doing it
>and even managed to control Nekron?
He's not the only person who controlled an entity either and he struggled to do so
>>81664395
>I'm a Halfag but Johns jerked him off nonstop in his run. He never took a backseat to any of the other GLs during crossovers, and he always got put front and center during any big spreads
Do you get mad when Batman is the center of batfam crossovers too?
>he was always right,
He wasn't.
>>81664693
Emerald twilight was shit. Hal as Parallax it wasnt. None of the stuff you are saying means OP is a Kylefag, I was reading comics back there and ET was terrible. But The Time Parallax was around, the KO to superman, the silver surfer crossover, the meeting with kyle. Everything was great, Parallax was something DC REALLY needed, not only Hal was a manace that was in space but also was a good guy that wanted redemtion, he was both. Before him DC didnt had a single good guy turned bad.
The spectre arc was great too. The parallax bug erased all the redemtion arc of Hal.
>>81664693
Speaking as someone who read comics in the 90s, I hated how rushed Emerald Twilight was. But you can't deny it gave Hal the most depth he ever had. It was an actual radical change for the character, not a lame death/resurrection. Zero Hour was typical Jurgens mediocrity but every Hal appearance otherwise was awesome. His redemption in Final Night was awesome. His time as the Spectre was crazy as hell but never boring. I enjoyed Rebirth, and I liked seeing Hal regain the respect of his peers, but a great amount of development was handwaved away by the worlds biggest Hal fan.
Remorseful, broken, omnipotent Hal > he was possessed and not in control of his actions
Some people just can't handle change in cape comics. Almost 40 years after his creation, and Hal finally got a character arc besides his origin story.
>>81665077
Omnipotent Hal that is powerless to change what he did it's great.
>>81664909
>The spectre arc was great too. The parallax bug erased all the redemtion arc of Hal.
It doesn't. Hal still thought he needed redemption after Rebirth. Fear bug doesn't erase shit. You think if fear bug thing was always there, it would've made difference to Hal? Also the Parralax, the Spectre was something to contain Halfags. Didio said editors there literally admitted to it. In the end all of that compares nothing to what we got post Rebirth
>>81663248
There's a difference in retconning someone's actions and origin and changing their race or even implying a white version is more wanted than a black version.
The second they make that race change decision it's permanent. It's not something you can go back on purely because of the swathes of bad press they'll get.
>>81665077
Superficial character depth at the expense of character assassination being told because of gimmick that ends up being poorly written to nobody's surprise. No thanks.
>>81658617
The worst retcon since space STD parallax Jordan
>>81665077
Bullshit. The Gerard Jones run was all about an older, more mature Hal who'd changed over the years. You didn't read shit.
>>81665805
Why are you so mad? Just because he had a silver streak in his hair didn't change the fact that he was stagnant. He was the same as he ever was, just aged up. There was categorically no change to his personality at all.
>>81664400
No it's not. It's a shitty design.
The race change of Wally was a huge slap in the face of Flash fans. Wally was a better Flash than Barry because because of Barry's death caused Wally to grow up and surpass his predecessor. The retcon and the bringing back of Barry Allen is the worst thing that has happen d to DC comics because of the ripple effect it has had on the other books. Much like the Death of Superman, death is no longer significant and the stakes are no longer there. Taking that away erased years of character development and weight that was a foundation for many other stories.
The whole thing was a bad idea and a horrible for the fans of the books. The resulting after effects have turned other characters into shells, reduced Vertigo into a joke with garbage titles, and have pushed progressive ideas into stories just to show they're progressive instead of organically letting the readers explore the ideas and make their own decisions.
I know it's not "Muh" DC Comics anymore. I've completed me to grips with that and it's ok, they'll probably reboot again and again....etc. there are other publishers, minus Marvel who is just as bad.
>>81666414
It's such a lazy and transparent attempt at diversity brownie points that I would be insulted if I was a "person of color"
>>81666529
Race, sexuality, and identity are what's become offensive in the way major publishers have decided to deal with a progressive culture.
Need a character of color? Retcon a white character into on.
Need a gay character? Turn a straight character into one.
Need to have a transgender character? Make one and make that the only character trait of the character that is constantly being pushed.
Instead of using the characters they have who are these things and making them more prominent, they decide to take the easy way. This results in trolling the fans that have been shelling out on a monthly basis and keeping their lights on and staff paid. There have been attempts at doing this more organically with Marvel (Sam Wilson taking on Captain Americas mantel) but the damage of this kind of has been seen with the negative reactions the majority of fans have given. All inclusion is fine with me but cutting your nose to spite your face is just chaotic and unstable.
Pretty much all Earth-2. Jay kiddo, Alan gay, Evil Supes, Criminal Drug-eddicted Thomas Wayne, psychotic Jimmy Olsen, absolutely boring Dick Grayson etc. Disgusting
>>81658617
I'm glad Richard Grayson and Starfire are not a couple. I'm glad Babs can walk again and she's Batgirl again. I can forgive Superman and Wonder woman being a couple. I can forgive Beast boy being red. But this is the only reason I want new 52 to be undone.
>>81667390
But why do I like that hawk design so much?
>>81667598
It's a good design
This is the worst fucking retcon of all time.
>Lightning Lad has been Proty the entire time
>but everyone is completely okay with it because Lightning Lad sucked anyway and Proty is totally awesome
>>81667669
remember when she massacred all those children
>>81667669
And this is what they're going with for the suicide squad movie too
>>81667723
>thread about shitty retcons
>no one mentions OMD
This will always be king
>>81667669
Dat Joker face. Is he Squirrelgirls father?
>>81661908
Nope, it's walking 100 miles across the arctic. Second best is giving up godhood for the sake of free will.
>>81667867
I'm glad you did this.
Spidey has been directionless since this happened.
MJ and Peter were the best couple in all of comics. High school nerd gets shit on in life, the silver lining is that he has an amazing wife who loves him unconditionally. The most stable (by comic terms) relationship and a comfy spot in a life full of pain.
Let's save his nag of an aunt who is literally 100+ years old and make a deal with the devil so the marriage never happened.
This was pretty fucking upsetting and horrible.
Superior Spider-Man and Peter becoming rich would have been fine even with him as a married man, this was just unnecessary and a big fuck you to the fans.
>>81665077
>O'Neil run
>Wolfman run
>Wein run
>no depth
Fuck off.
>>81668118
MJ and Pete were not the most stable cape comic relationship.
>>81668118
It's not just the relationship.
What burns me is pushing back any sort of potential character development with Peter being out as Spider-man.
They just reset the status quo
>>81668271
By many standards they were pretty close to perfect.
Ralph and Sue Dinby are GOAT , tho
>>81660629
>editorial forced into an event.
Citation needed.
>>81668132
Greentexting a list of writers doesn't really help prove your point that Hal ever had depth. If you actually have a solid argument, you should take a deep breath before posting
>>81665077
Absolutely.
>>81667390
So what you're saying is, after about the first 12-15 issues it's awful. But before then it was fine
>>81668349
Lots of DC heroes were basically as stable as Pete and MJ. Barry and Iris were together from both of their very first appearances until...a massive retcon broke them up. Ralph and Sue, as you said. Jay and Joan. Wally and Linda (man The Flash guys had it going on stable relationships till Barry fucked it up). Aquaman and Mera even survived the reboot!
I guess the difference is none of them are as "big" as Spider-man so the longevity doesn't seem as impactful, but Pete and MJ have had plenty of rough times and they weren't always together.
>>81668444
Wolfman's run developed the willpower side of Hal a lot, really showing how much more he can push through compared to most others. It also did a lot of establishing work showing that he's not the brightest bulb around, and set up some interesting arcs with his dual commitments to Earth and Sector 2814.
Wein's run pushed that theme to the next level by having Hal quit the Corps, and did a lot of interesting stuff about the responsibilities of a ring bearer, and whether Hal cares more about being Hal or GL.
O'Neil's Hal was overshadowed by Ollie a lot f the times, but that run did still lay a lot of the seeds of Hal's self-doubt: Showing the way he was torn between being a lawman, and following his moral compass. He began to question himself and everything else, and started to realize that maybe the Guardians weren't as perfect as they seemed.
>>81668585
Wasn't Iris dead for quite a while?
>>81664188
>Are you forgetting how he mastered every single ring and formed the White Lantern corps
Ironically, Kyle did these two.
>>81668585
That's a very good point.
