Why doesn't Batman just kill The Joker?
Because he feels responsible for his creation.
because he wants tofuckhim
>>81635714
>>81635802
having a dejavu here
>>81635714
Batman does not want to be judge, jury, and executioner. He's there to help the actual government of Gotham bring in criminals they are either under-staffed or under-prepared for.
Batman wants the Joker dead, but he believes it is up to the law to convict and execute him.
>>81635802
This
They're lovers
>>81635714
Because that would mean Batman might progress his plot or get character development, but he's not allowed to have those things. Batman fans hate change.
>>81636007
Thats why morrison was hated by fans right?
>>81636007
Please explain how Batman killing someone gives him character development.
Those very early comics where he would kill every villain he came across are some of the most boring Batman stories ever.
>>81635762
Does he even know the full context of his origin, though?
If Batman knew The Joker was just some average guy going through a rough patch that was chemically traumatized into an insane, mind-broken killing machine, then yeah. It'd be perfectly reasonable to take full responsibility for "creating him" and wasting his time trying to save his forsaken soul and stuff... But I'm pretty sure that's never been touched upon.
>>81636115
Batman killing any of his villains means his other enemies would view him differently. Gotham would view him differently. It would mean less work and less stress for Bruce, and make Gotham that much safer in general. Killing even one Batvillain would mean his entire world changes.
>>81635714
Here's a better question, why doesn't the Joker kill Batman?
>>81636221
Okay. People's perspective on Batman changes whenever he keeps letting guys like the Joker live too.
>>81636288
He'd get bored without him. Have you read or watched anything Batman?
>>81639039
Not really, the same Batman vs Joker reskinned Assassin's Creed games just keep selling, until people stopbuying Batman shit nothing about him will change.
>>81635714
Because Batman Writers will have to come up with a new villain and they'll still find a terrible way to bring him back. Looking at you Superboy and Red Hood
>>81636007
Nolan's Batman didn't kill Joker and the status quo changed there. You can make the status quo change without having Batman kill. YOU just want to see him kill.
>>81639122
Batman doesn't even physically fight Joker in Arkham Knight. Joker isn't technically in that game. He is, but not physically.
>>81639144
In what way did TDK change the status quo? Oh right, it didn't. And I don;t want to see Batman kill, I want him OUT OF DC. He has no business in the DC universe, literally everything about him, his "family" and his rogues would be better if they were doing their own thing.
>>81639210
And yet Joker is a central part of the plot. Even when he's dead DC can't leave him out.
>>81639348
Oh, I agree with you then. About Batman being separate from the DC universe, I mean.
>>81635714
Why doesn't the government just kill the joker
>>81639144
In The Dark Knight, the climax of the conflict with Joker was all about how no matter what, no matter what Joker destroys, no matter who he kills, the status quo of Batman will never change.
>>81639581
Bleeding heart liberal politicians saying no matter how many people they kill we can't execute crazy people.
>>81635714
Because they love each other
>>81635714
> Why doesn't Gotham just execute the Joker?
>>81635714
Don't you mean "rape"?
>>81635714
Because having Batman refuse to kill makes him more marketable to kids. Because the Joker is a very profitable character. The real reason Batman won't kill the Joker no matter what he does is because it's not profitable for Batman to kill the Joker. DC has spent the last 70 years turning a corporate decision into some grand moral statement, and you've fallen for it.
>>81635714
>>81639144
And yet Heath dies off-screen and the next movie intentionally avoids talking about Batman's most iconic villian while it re-visits every other character.
>>81639936
>>81639987
>>81639849
Their moral is to let your faggot enemy live so he can keep killing people and make your life miserable because if you kill him then you will be exactly like him and he will win somehow.
>>81640008
Wow, Gordon's a raging faggot.
>>81640009
The moral is to be a superhero.
>>81636221
Oh here we go. Another marvelfag thinking they got the batman figured out. Try and do some research before you look like a fucking retard for saying "b-but killing is okay if Batman does it..."
>>81636065
Morrison is a hack to the highest order. Moore blows anything Morrison has done out of the water in a single page of Watchmen. Because of him, the meme "LOL BATMAN KILLS THE JOKER IN THE KILLING JOKE" is so widespread despite it being the fucking point of the story that wouldn't happen.
>>81636221
>Batman killing any of his villains means his other enemies would view him differently. Gotham would view him differently. It would mean less work and less stress for Bruce, and make Gotham that much safer in general. Killing even one Batvillain would mean his entire world changes.
"It's good becuase its different but I'm not gonna say how" that's how fucking dumb you sound. Batman refuses to kill not because he's unwilling to take justice into his own hands but because that would be the point of no return. He'd have no reason to not kill his former friend Harvey Dent or assume control of the league of shadows, and there's no guarantee he'd stop killing even the pettiest of criminals. Batman is already an ambiguous position morally to wage his personal crusade, but he loses the one thing he has over his rogues if he starts to kill: his vindication. Do you get it you dumbfuck? Batman represents that murder is never the solution (unless its a subversive story like TDKR) no matter how despicable his opponent is. He represents a way of fighting that doesn't bring someone to that level.
Also, there's no fucking reason why Batman specifically has to be the one to kill all his rogues. You could make that argument to the entire DC universe. The next time the joker or whoever is in the hospital, why don't they just not feed him or give him care? Get fucked kiddo.
>>81640135
What a realistic moral.
>>81635714
Because Batman loves him.
>>81635714
Kingdom Come gives a pretty cool explanation.
Though the end it's literally just because Joker's cool and they want to keep using him.
>>81640008
>i'm innocent
that made me laugh for some reason
>>81635714
What if the GCPD just makes him an honorary cop or something? Is that a thing?
What if the Gotham courts stop being so fucking retarded and give all his foes the death sentence?
What if the average joes of Gotham and the GCPD just killed all super villains on sight?
Oh joy this thread again.
>>81639936
>>81639987
>>81640008
This pretty much sums it up, like that second to last scene in Batman: Under the Red Hood.
The moment Batman kills, he's going to fall further and further into depravity. It won't be instant, in fact, it'd be quite slow process. But the end result would be terrifying. Because, Batman would eventually just turn into Ra's. A man who believes himself above the law as he is the one who enforces the law.
Batman knows that and he knows that if he kills Joker, that slow little decent will begin.
>>81640169
Good thing superhero comics aren't realistic.
>>81639961
I wish that at the very least when Gordon and his boys opened up the truck that they thought had the bomb in it, there was Joker art all over the inside. A bunch of hahahas, maybe som wickid, nihilistic quotes, heck, maybe a couple of goonds in clown masks. It was so weird that they just dropped him like that, not even a nod
>>81640399
We're talking about DC's moral message.
You know OP this is truly an original idea. I have never heard this before. You should become a professional comic book writer and make this idea into a real story, I'm sure everyone will love it and you will revolutionize the comic medium.
Why doesn't Batman just kiss The Joker?
>>81640394
This.
You do it once because "oh he blew up a school bus full of kids." Then everyone is like, why not kill every rapist ever? Every murderer ever? What point does he draw a new line?
And at that point he's become a mass murderer either way, or Ra's in the long run. There's gotta be a comic run with that storyline somewhere.
>>81635714
Robin pls go.
>>81635714
A better question is why doesn't The Spectre kills the Joker or any villain that matters.
The guy has razed a entire nation children included, with Michael approval even, and yet can't kill Joker because he is insane.
>>81642026
Because Batman will protect his little grinning cocksock no matter what.
>>81641211
because he's afraid of how much he wants the clown ass
>>81635714
Because Batman doesn't kill people unless Snyder is directing it.
>>81635714
This question STILL gets replies.
What the hell...
Because the joker is a popular character and he makes money for DC so stop asking Now
>>81641211
twink joker is making me feel funnypun intended
>>81642102
That doesn't really matters when there is nothing him or any other superhero on earth could do to stop him.
>>81642854
Batman is canonically more powerful than Spectre.
Why doesn't the Joker kill Bruce Wayne?
>>81636221
>less work and less stress
Not at all. It would actually be more stress. Gordon is not gonna tolerate any killing from a vigilante, even from Batman. The moment Bruce kills someone and the police find out, there's gonna be swat teams at every Batman sighting. He'd also lose Clark as a friend.
Life would get much harder for him if he starts killing at this stage.
Do you think Joker puts lipstick around his anushole? And then sticks some chattering teeth up there?
>>81635714
batman doesnt kill anyone cause its his irrational moral code. For all the dark realistic shit DC does this is generally understood as the one thing he wouldnt do. Now the main reason for why is because that would make him no different from the criminals he apprehends. Which if his reason for being batman is cause his parents were killed by a criminal would make sense that the LAST thing he;d want to become. More to the point everytime batman catches the joker why hasnt any cop killed him once he got into their custody? Its not like batman is watching him 24/7 once hes been released to the cops. Hes not personally holding him. So if hes that much a threat id say you have the GCPD as much to blame as batman.
I still don't see why the fault lies squarely on Batman. Think of it this way: Batman hands the Joker to the police, to the state, multiple times. This is a convicted felon who's responsible for the deaths of countless innocents. In any sane world, he would have gotten the death penalty decades ago. Batman does hard part in bringing the guy in. Giving him the death penalty should be a no-brainer. And don't give me that "But they did try to give him the death penalty once and Batman saved him!" Putting aside how utterly stupid that story was, the only reason the Joker got off was because he wasn't technically the guilty party in that one particular case. There are countless crimes that the Joker IS legitimately guilty of, crimes that should have gotten him a hundred lifetimes worth of executions. Just convict him of one of those and give him the goddamn chair.
Why the fuck is the Joker alive? It's not Batman's fault. The man breaks every bone in the Joker's body, restrains him and tosses him at the police and courts free of charge. There is literally no reason why the Joker should be alive right now.
>>81643893
>the LAST thing he;d want to become
He's already a criminal by being a vigilante.
>>81643905
And that's the problem. This ISN'T a sane world. This is a world where Lex Fucking Luthor can become President of the United States by a landslide. You'd have to be the biggest goddamn retard in the universe to vote for him. Ergo, DC's USA is filled with nothing but retards.
>>81643905
Batman should just cut off Joker's arms and legs and keep him prisoner in his batcave. A place where no one would find Joker and have no chance of getting out. Batman can even go into his cell and feed Joker. Or make Joker suck his dick every once and a while.
>>81644066
Well we do live in a world where Trump has a chance of becoming President.
Luthor vs Trump for president. Who would win?
>>81643978
Batman wants to save as many lives as he can. In the Dark Knight Returns he admits that he's a criminal but still refuses to kill the Joker.
>>81640157
Why did you quote the same post twice? I already said it, I don't think Batman should kill, it's just the reasons he doesn't are bullshit.
Why does no Buttom man kil The Joinker?
>>81644694
The first one was supposed to be>>81636007
>the reasons he doesn't are bullshit.
The potential of snapping and becoming far worse than any of his foes is bullshit? get fucked.
>>81635714
because they wanna fuuuuc
>>81635714
Because Batman is a crazy fuck. The only thing he gives a shit about is being Batman and he knows that having enemies like the Joker alive, will let him be Batman until he dies.
>>81644066
This, to be honest. Say what you will about Marvel and its citizens, at least they know better than this shit. They're just unappreciative dickheads who want nothing more than their own destruction.
>>81644203
Whoever wins, we lose.
>>81645428
Please stop posting about a character you could never understand.
>>81645222
The flimsiest excuse possible. DC constantly writes Batman as an unshakable pillar of principles, he's always the last one of the League to go bad, or doesn't go bad at all. Yet we're supposed to think one or two kills will tip him over the edge? Horseshit.
>>81647093
>we're supposed to think one or two kills will tip him over the edge? Horseshit.
Please stop posting. Batman's refusal to kill is the foundation of his moral code, otherwise there's little difference between him and the man who murdered his parents. Batman comes face to face with the worst of humanity on a daily basis and manages to resolve his fights with no loss of life is the reason why he is described as an unshakeable pillar of principles. Having him kill people undermines that and nullifies everything he's ever done.
>>81647534
More bullshit. Cops kill when they have to, are they as bad as criminals? Go to bed, Batfag.
>>81635714
Reminder that NES Batman takes no prisoners
>>81647994
But cops are public servants answering to their own laws. Batman is a vigilante who answers to no one but himself. In one context, the cop who kills can be held accountable and psychologically examined as necessary. If Batman kills, its far more disturbing than a police officer who may have killed since Batman answers to no one and cannot be contained. You'd have to trust that someone who's already broken their one rule to never break it again. Blown the fuck out again, marvelcuck.
>inb4 Batman should be a cop
>>81645428
without his villains he would be nothing, his childish values on justice demand this.
this is pretty much correct
>>81648117
at least the Joker enjoyed it
>>81647994
Cops aren't vigilantes that spent years training with ninjas around the world.
>>81648293
>>81649395
They're still just people. And anyone who has actually had that kind of job will ell you, external accountable-to-the-system discipline is useless unless you have self-discipline to keep to it. If anything Batman would be less likely to become a killer, not more.
Knightfall
>>81636288
Joker's motivation is finding a way to crack the Bat. Killing him doesn't achieve that, same reason why he usually puts little effort into finding out who he is.
>>81649743
So you're agreeing Batman shouldn't kill? That's pretty much what I already said.
>>81635714
his mom's name is martha
>>81650464
He didn't kill Dent.
The ground did.
