https://www.scribd.com/doc/306966947/AT-205-Bad-Jubies-network-pitch-storyboard
>modern storyboarders
>>81481999
Bless those Korean animators for doing what they do when the storyboards are such shit.
>>81482176
Korean inbetweeners da real MVPs
>>81481999
>>81482176
>Korean Animators
You know this episode was stop motion, right?
post the rugrats one
you know the one
For an art style that's almost insultingly easy to draw, you'd think the artists could be arsed to put in a little more effort than this.
>Storyboards should be well made!
They should be fast you fucking idiots, with just enough information for the animators to work with.
>>81482993
>entire episode is stop motion and took a year to animate
>'a little more effort maybe'
>>81481999
>Here, breathe in some cyanide gas
>Thanks, dude
>>81483039
>>81483116
I just fucking knew there would be faggots eager to stand up for this bile
>>81483278
fuck you phineas
>>81483278
The AT storyboarders can be lazy but this was a guest animator making a stop motion episode my guy, storyboards can be dogshit and it makes little difference.
>>81482993
>bottle smash
>smashes bottle
By the looks of things being a storyboarder for cartoons like AT or something seems like I could fucking do it.
Look at LSP's bottom lumps, like holy shit that's quick.
>>81483116
The point of storyboards is to make things easier on the animator and plot out the shots that best convey the plot on tone of the scenes. If anything, shitty storyboards makes the animator's job harder because they have to waste time deciphering what the hell the scene is supposed to be conveying, and sometimes even doing the storyboarder's job for them by redoing scenes.
Comparing the storyboards to the finished episode, there's points where you wouldn't be able to tell what was supposed to be happening if it weren't for notes at the bottom - and unsurprisingly those shots clearly had complete overhauls for the actual episode.
>crying_cat.png
derp
I forgot which storyboard artist made this
>>81484737
the ending scared me
Reminder it's actually illegal to have the weather alert eps/ems sound on a cartoon/movie/show because it might false alarm someone.
Bad Jubies did it, albeit for a milisecond. Shocked me.
Somebody post those scrapped storyboards made from a guy who ended up being the character designer for the new Mickey Mouse Shorts instead.
>>81481999
>you should put effort into this thing that won't actually make it onto the air
Why? What would be the purpose of wasting time on something like that?
>>81485162
Because today the animators they sent these storyboards will try to replicate the exact same art-style drawn in the storyboards and animate them with that output.
OP pic isn't related since the episode was a stop-motion special episode and it looks way better than that, but it happens with other regular storyboards.
>>81485332
yeah didn't finn look really off model in Up A Tree because of that?
>>81485162
>>you should put effort into this thing that won't actually make it onto the air
>Why? What would be the purpose of wasting time on something like that?
And to think the ATfag cancer died when SU became the new thing.
>>81485533
It was a stop motion episode.
>>81485162
>Don't put effort into the thing that's essentially the blueprint to what's going to make it under the air
That's like saying you shouldn't put any effort into the underlying sketch for a painting because you're going to paint over it.
10/10 bait OP, got me mad.
everyone ITT who thinks it's bad that these boards are drawn poorly despite it being for stop motion are retarded. the artist is primarily a director and animator for stop motion. she was literally in charge of the animation from day to day so the drawings didn't need to be super detailed.
plus a lot of times they need to turn out boards fast, so even people who are hired because they are very skilled technically will do simple stuff if they know everyone else will know what they mean/there's time to correct or explain it later. Pic related, that's the final shot of Korra S3 finale.
>>81485843
>Pic related, that's the final shot of Korra S3 finale
is that supposed to prove something? looks normal for that shit show
>>81485332
>>81485461
That is how it works for Adventure Time (not every show though) but flat out saying "the storyboard artist is shit this is all off model" is dumb for adventure time. they've said that they generally like the drawings to reflect the personal style of the board artists - so 9/10 if you don't like it it's just because you don't like the board artist's aesthetic preferences. Which is fine, you can call THAT shit if you want, but at least know what you're talking about.
For example: everyone was freaking out online about "Crystals Have Power" when that aired, but it wasn't like it was a mistake. It was the first time Jesse Moynihan boarded something and he has a weird drawing style. They wanted it to look like that. (But again, you're free to think that's shitty looking if you want)
>>81485843
You do know they can't "explain it later" to the koreans right? The storyboards are that deal. They either know or they don't. If they don't it delays the fuck out of things because they either have to send it back with notes on it's own or redo it themselves on accident not knowing what it is, and results in some problematic scenes. This can in turn be good or bad, if they get something wrong to a minor degree (a character falling offscreen in the wrong direction) they might pass it and keep going, but if it's something like a completely different scene, they'd have to REsend that whole part back to Korea with either added notes or a newely/better drawn part of that scene.
Storyboards are important in most cartoons, especially storyboard DRIVEN ones.
>>81486085
We, or atleast some of us, are referring to the horribly sketched shit, not "drawn well, but off model" stuff. Anyone who's into the show enough on here should know already about Jesse and the others having their own style.
>>81486146
Yeah - but I'm trying to make the point that you can't cherry pick specific cases and claim "this proves this is shit". I brought up the Korra thing because that board in the image could easily be something they used to pitch stuff in house before cleaning up the boards and shipping overseas.
And if it wasn't that - then clearly despite despite it being that simplified the board artists and directors managed to communicate to the animation studio well enough that it turned out alright.
>>81485843
>being for stop motion
You realize that being meant for another form of animation doesn't mean it has to be shit, right?
>>81485843
How did you get that pic?
>>81484737
These creeps. I like whoever did this.
>>81486441
Do you realize that not being heavily detailed doesn't mean it's a bad storyboard, when it gets the point across to get to the end result?
Crappy storyboards would be fine if layout was still a thing that happened in america
>>81481999
This one episode does not define modern storyboarders.
>>81486555
>gets the point across
Stick-figure tier drawings should never be acceptable.
>>81486733
who said it defined all those guys, op didn't
>>81486509
Bryan Konietzko's blog
>>81486441
No, but the storyboards in this case look like that because the artist was also the director of the episode and she's not focused on 2D art.
Fantastic Mr. Fox was directed by Wes Anderson, he had to get people who knew stop motion shit to help him. That requires more complex boards so everyone is on the same level. They had a professional board artist do boards.
>>81486839
OP literally has
>modern storyboarders
>>81486733
Naw I'd say it does so nicely.
Thanks CalArts. Thanks Steven Universe. Thanks tumblr.
>>81486085
No i mean, In Up a Tree. Finn's head was REALLY off model
I'm refering to this scene
holy fucking shit
>>81481999
>>81486892
that show is nothing but fucking references
>>81486894
kek
>>81486892
>Howl's Moving Castle
Did the artist really have to mention that?
>>81486913
>yep... I went there
>... to indicate a badass pause
why do people insist to talk like this
it's one of the most obnoxious things I've ever fucking heard or read
it's fucking annoying
>>81486892
>All of the /co/ starwmans in one post
>>81486894
>>81485461
Here's the episode's storyboard if you want to shift through it.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/185580007/AT-108-Up-A-Tree-Network-Pitch-Storyboard
>>81486894
I don't remember the scene so maybe shit got weird and error-y but that looks like a funny drawing to me. I could believe someone approved it because they liked it.
this board is golden
>>81487014
yep *badass pause* i agree!!
>>81487087
It doesn't work when you do it like that.
In fact, you got it all wrong.
>>81486971
>that show is nothing but fucking references
Have you even watch the show?
>>81487045
It's fucking true you gimp.
Now look at THESE storyboards. The artists of the golden age studios treated storyboarding as an artform in itself, even when it's not necessary (as they could talk to actual animators about how the scenes should be done and how to interpret their boards, not send them off to chinks working slave labor). They didn't fucking doodle some shit while browsing tumblr and drinking coffee.
FUCK CalArts. FUCK modern animation artists.
>>81487207
Yep. It's pretty shocking how much the Diamond Authority mirrors Urken culture from Invader Zim.
And of course all of that fusion shit is lifted straight from Dragon Ball but with a corny lesbian context for neckbeards like you.
>>81487280
>FUCK CalArts. FUCK modern animation artists.
But CalArts was founded by Disney himself.
>>81487207
yes
it's literally "Anime in my Western Cartoon?" bullshit.
It's not even hard without having seen it to know it's just Sugar putting in all the anime references she can, which wouldn't be so bad if she didn't shoehorn it in and make it so obnoxious after it's referenced.
That fucking storyboard says it all.
R E M O V E fat lesbos
>>81486892
Rebecca Sugar didn't even go to CalArts you mong.
>>81487356
>One storyboard
Fucking wow.
>>81487343
You do know that sugar was a big invader zim fan, right? And also
>corny lesbian context for neckbeards like you
>implying I'm a neck beard
>implying I care about some dumb context
>>81486892
>Using a pic from the worst storyboarder
Nice strawman.
in a nutshell
>>81487414
What are you doing?
I said that reference in that board shows it. Not "That bored explains everything from the show" or something.
Chill.
>>81487356
>One storyboard
Nice early assumptions
That's from season 1. The storyboards for season 2 are much better.
>tfw you realize this thread was a setup
>>81487382
Never said she did retard.
>>81487452
What am I seeing here?
>>81487488
god fucking damn it with the misunderstanding, it's easy to tell a samefag when a missing the point moment goes too far.
I said references, I never said "that board looks really bad"
I never mentioned it's art, I only mentioned the references.
>>81487511
Then why are you conflating SU with CalArts?
Golden rule: if time permits you to choose one, go with clarity over cleanliness.
The real problem these days are board artist's ever-diminishing time-frames for assignments.
>>81487541
Oh. Sorry.
>>81487445
1. That's not a "strawman"
2. Take your pick, they all fucking suck
>all these millennials with shit taste trying to defend the worst shows with cloned artstyles
L M A O
M
A
O
the fuck outta here tumblr
>>81487565
Motherfucking thank you.
>>81487558
Because it works better with his strawman.
>>81487587
>apologizing
sorry as well
this thread is fucking hostile.
Did anyone notice how much of a floppy dick jake looks in the boards
>>81487588
How is this bad?
>>81487588
>He hasn't seen season 2 storyboard.
Fuck off.
>>81487612
>millenials
>tumblr
Anymore buzzwords you want to use?
>>81487558
Because they're the predominate influence in modern animation alongside tumblr.
>>81487612
>If you like a show I dislike you have shit taste
k
>Obligatory "fuck off tumblr"
>>81487653
Get some taste please.
>>81487000
I googled "howls moving castle bacon" and saw exactly what they wanted so I'm gonna say yes
>>81487715
How the fuck is tumblr an influence?
>>81487741
Holy shit.
>>81487725
>>81486894
That's the only Xylophone episode that worked.
The weird models, pacing and dialogue felt like a bad dream.
>>81487761
>How the fuck is tumblr an influence?
>talking about steven universe
Sugar IS fucking tumblr
Yeah, nah, OP and company are just faggots. Take a look at an animatic from Wander Over Yonder, probably the most fun and dynamic cartoon on TV right now. Most of it is really sketchy and shitty looking if you are judging it by the art itself, but what matters is the timing of the storyboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k36WFOAil80
>>81487741
That doesn't answer my question.
I'm only triggered by how half of the arrow is 3D
>>81487810
Fucking. How?
If you actually knew anything about the cunt you'd know she's as 4chan as you and me.
>>81487810
That still doesn't make any logical sense.
>>81487565
If it's job to draw for a living, how hard is it to finish half a storyboard in two weeks.
Golden Age animators where able to finish around 15 seconds of frame by frame animation every-week. That's a hell of a lot more drawings than a storyboard.
>>81487696
>>81487725
>getting this passive-aggressive
wow just go reblog some sjw crap or something, you're just embarassing yourselves and proving my point
Gravity Falls Storyboards look fine to me
>>81487891
>continuing the tumblr meme
You're embarrassing yourself.
>>81487891
>Your proving my point by trying to defend a show you like
Ok.
>>81487870
You do realize that time and money are big factors right?
This is the work of one of the greatest animators of our time
Storyboards don't need to be full of detail
You talk as if you expect the storyboard to have more detail than the final result
But they know it's Adventure Time they're storyboarding, there's no reason to overwork it
>>81481999
WOY's storyboards are some of the most detailed any TV show has ever had. The animators have almost all of their work already done for them.
SU is similar, though not to the same extent.
AT just has lazy boarders.
>>81487761
>What is a "Tumblr" cartoon?
-amateurish art direction, usually looking like flat notebook doodles and tries to hard to pass off the lack of skill as "charming" (AT, RS, Sanjay and Craig, Breadwinners, Gravity Falls, OtGW, Long Live the Royals, Bee and Puppycat, Bravest Warriors, Star and the Forces of Evil, Clarence)
-attempts at idiosyncratic and "natural" dialogue that ends up sounding robotic. Usually has a lot of modern or made-up slang. "Man, this day was total butt. We needs to go get out munchichies on, ya' know what I'm saying?" (AT, RS, GF, Steven Universe, SaC, BW, CH, OtGW, Star)
-a romance plot that's taken seriously and is also the plot of a lot of episodes. The male is a beta wimp and the girl is a "laid-back" character (AT, RS, SU, GF, SaC, BWarriors, BaP).
-a lot music, usually either a freestyle serenade or pixeltune shit (AT, RS, GF, Clarence, SU, SaC, BW, CH, BWarriors, Manly, Star)
-voice actors that sound like they picked random people from the street (all of them)
-an ambiguously brown character to try to not piss anybody off, as well as forced diversity (OtGW, Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Bee and Puppycat, Dead End, etc)
-fake 80s montages (RS, SaC, BW, Star, SU)
-limited amount of expressions, most of them being ":-T" (all of them)
Tumblr is now the main hub for animation artists to showcase their work and they all start to copy each other which leads to stuff like the tumblr red nose.
Will you find animation artists with an original style on tumblr? Yes, but it's very rare. What you'll usually see is what's in that calarts gif that's been floating around.
>>81487942
>>81487956
get a room and fap to poorly animated dykes
>>81488074
>This stale as fuck pasta
>That "CalArts" gif
Christ
>>81487978
Not relevant. Those guys were able to get better quality everything in a same time frame that modern artists use.
Maybe it's hard for modern storyboard artists to pick shots and compositions...because they suck.
>>81488114
Funny, I was about to suggest the same thing.
>>81488074
>The "bullcrap" tumblr pasta
fug
>>81488030
>SU is similar, though not to the same extent.
>SU , even compared by WoY
wew lad , good meme
>>81488126
No response? Good, shows I'm right.
I'l start posting some tumblr/Calarts toons while you passive aggressively reply to me.
>>81487870
>Golden Age animators where able to finish around 15 seconds of frame by frame animation every-week. That's a hell of a lot more drawings than a storyboard.
What they had to draw was already decided for them by the storyboard artist
>>81488133
>Maybe it's hard for modern storyboard artists to pick shots and compositions...because they suck.
There are a bunch of pics here to prove you wrong.
>>81487343
>Yep. It's pretty shocking how much the Diamond Authority mirrors Urken culture from Invader Zim.
You just proved you don't watch the show
The only similarity is that the people in charge are tall
![Universe vs Tennyson - Storyboard.mp4_snapshot_01.25_[2014.10.30_15.12.25].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Kk8UTBT.jpg "Universe vs Tennyson - Storyboard.mp4_snapshot_01.25_[2014.10.30_15.12.25].jpg")
>>81485533
>Omniverse
It peeved me how better the storyboards looked in comparison to the actual show.
>>81488114
>Implying that I fap to SU
>>81488181
In other words, you'll strawman and shut your ears to whatever anyone has to say.
>>81485843
There's a difference between stoaryboard-driven and script-driven cartoons, though.
AT, SU, RS, and WOY are all storyboard-driven, with the animators following the boards as closely as possible. Bad boards give you bad animation.
Other shows, like Avatar, GF, and The Simpsons are script-driven. The animators refer primarily to model sheets for reference, and so the boards are only there to give a rough idea of the scene. These shows have a more uniform look, instead of varying wildly in quality based on the boarder.
>>81488175
Get some reading comprehension.
>>81487980
you might want to post one of the preview clips for it. I forgot the name of the episode, but its indeed amazing.
>>81488181
You're the same guy from that PPG thread last night. Am I right or not right?
I don't understand, if you wanted to prove a point OP why are you posting nothing but shitty AT and SU storyboards?
>>81487980
who said our time had some good shit anyway
>>81488206
Peridot is literally gender-flipped Zim.
Her ship/ those marbel things even look like Zim's ship too.
>>81488302
How can he prove his point without cherry picking?
>>81488074
>-a lot music, usually either a freestyle serenade or pixeltune shit (AT, RS, GF, Clarence, SU, SaC, BW, CH, BWarriors, Manly, Star)
Don't forget ukuleles.
>>81488300
Yep.
>>81488250
>Strawman
You still don't know that that means.
>>81488074
>SU has "a romance plot that's taken seriously and is also the plot of a lot of episodes. The male is a beta wimp and the girl is a "laid-back" character."
>Kristen Schaal, Estelle, Dee Dee Magno Hall, Tom Kenny, and John Dimaggio are "random people from off the street"
>SU uses "pixeltune shit" music (This one really gets me, Aivi Tran is one of the best musicians in cartoons right now.)
I know this is copypasta, but it still gets me.
>>81488294
Food Chain.
>>81488359
Of course. Everyone, just ignore this paranoid faggot.
>>81488074
>a lot music
why is this a bad thing and how is it unique to "tumblr cartoons"
>>81484592
You have to log audio and actions in storyboards. That template should have it, especially since it's animation.
>>81488359
You're right. The correct term is generalization; you put everything under one blanket.
>>81488309
Japan
>>81488359
How is FnaF fanart from tumblr supposed to prove your point?
>>81488366
>, Aivi Tran is one of the best musicians in cartoons right now.)
Not even close you mongloid.
>>81488262
Quit talking out of your ass. Storyboards follow both script and intended animation, so decent storyboard art is always up to the storyboard artists themselves.
>>81488359
I prefer the Foxy on the left.
>>81488311
Don't forget they made a straight reference when she said, "Praise me! PRAISE ME!".
Also it's well known Peridot is based on Sugar's fan fic version of Invader ZIM she wrote. Her old site is archived with them available.
There will come a time when we all pass away, doesn't matter how.
Is this really what you guys want to be a part of your life?
>>81488175
In terms of the production process, yes. The boarders do a good chunk of the animating. Whether you think they do a good job or not isn't the issue.
>>81488391
Like clockwork, you modern animation defenders.
>>81488396
>why is this a bad thing
When there's a song in every episode it gets tiresome at some point. Especially when it's just some shit about how the character likes ice cream (Steven) or is thirsty for pussy (Finn) or is just being a beta (Mordecai).
>>81488405
Well it IS under one blanket. You can't deny that those cartoons have similarities, even Alex Hirsch has talked about them.
>>81488359
What's the source on the pic?
>>81487815
Well if you're gonna cherry-pick:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/278429861/The-Axe
>>81488521
>Like clockwork, you modern animation defenders.
The good old with me or against me fallacy.
>>81488521
>Implying I only like modern animation
Keep being in denial.
>>81488262
Bullshit!
If you can make good drafts and gestures, you can do good storyboards. The AT and SU staff is just lazy.
>>81488521
>You can't deny that those cartoons have similarities, even Alex Hirsch has talked about them.
Gee, people who worked and went to school together have similar artstyles. This has never happened before in animation.
this thread is pure gold, pic related it's the modern animation defenders
perspective?
in my cartoons?
>>81488605
Are you proving his point that 2014 has "tumblr" animation?
>>81488629
(you)
>>81488629
>>81488521
Samefag
>>81488506
Fuck off Cheeseblade.
>>81488506
Yes. Knowing that i'm a idiot arguing with another idiot.
>>81488644
No, I'm saying this has been happening for a while in cartoons.
>>81485533
>dat second storyboard
It's so much better than what they made from it, how did they fuck up the shading and expression so much
>>81488673
why yes, yes it was
>>81488629
>People disagree with me
>I'll call them children; that'll show them.
>>81488728
Oh. Well I can agree with that.
>>81488756
Geometric shapes for cartoon heads? This has never happened before; it must be the work of CalArts and Tumblr!
>>81488756
>Using the starwman
Sugar didn't go to cal arts.
>>81488756
I can't think of a single moment where Gumball or Dipper have even looked close that.
>>81488605
It really hasn't before outside of Genndy and Craig.
>>81488811
But anon, how else would it fit the strawman?
>>81488799
Then why does her cartoon like it's from CalArts?
The answer; she went to CalArts.
>>81488811
Gumball smiles like that ALL OF THE TIME.
That cucumber mouth thing doesn't happen often in Gravity Falls, but it still happens.
>>81488793
They all have the same head shape.
>>81488817
Lauren Faust, Rob Renzetti, Paul Rudish and Van Partible's artstyle actually look similar to Genndy and Craig's.
>>81488858
But she didn't.
>>81488873
>They all have the same head shape.
Because that's totally unique to modern animation.
>>81488895
Wikipedia lies, but art doesn't. She's a CalArts alumni.
>>81488506
what is that from
>>81488942
Ok, NOW I know that you're shitposting
>>81487870
>If it's job to draw for a living, how hard is it to finish half a storyboard in two weeks.
Fairly difficult if that two-week period covers revisions. (common) Or if all you have to work from are vague outlines. (also common) Or... if you're also expected to bust out an animatic within the same time-frame. (becoming more common)
Crafting something clear and engaging is certainly do-able in two weeks, given ideal circumstances; and I'm not advocating for shitty drawings if it means the action becomes unclear. In general though, there is simply not enough time to make every panel this super-clean thing when you have loads of shot direction, composition and pacing aspects to worry about. If anything, school those AT artists there, because that where real work is needed.
>Golden Age animators where able to finish around 15 seconds of frame by frame animation every-week. That's a hell of a lot more drawings than a storyboard.
As far as your typical Golden Age animator, they're typically handed their timing charts before hand (or mark up their own, if they're a lead), and can pace themselves when they know their key-count ahead of time. Not to say it isn't more laborious, but an animator can be pretty fast when he can focus on the one performance in front of him. Boarding can be a bit more complicated. I've professionally done both; they require way different mindsets that go beyond just drawing.
>>81488876
No they don't.
If Jenny walked into PPG she wouldn't fit that show's style (due to the influences in that show being much older than the HB-look that PPG has). Meanwhile Dipper could pop into Steven Universe, Regular Show or Star Vs. and not look out of place.
>>81488826
If you're not going to refute anybody's points outside of screaming "strawman!" then leave, idiot.
>>81488986
You're the only one shitposting here anon.
>>81488913
Just because it's not unique to now doesn't mean it's not a fucking problem. Climate change also isn't unique to present day but it's still a fucking issue because it's happening right now.
>tfw you'll never get a show greenlit by a shoddily made storyboard and pilot
>and then continue making that show for so long the original show runner steps down
>>81489053
>Meanwhile Dipper could pop into Steven Universe, Regular Show or Star Vs. and not look out of place.
You're the only idiot here anon; Dipper would look out of place as fuck in any of those shows.
>>81488913
It is more than ever.
>>81489086
It wasn't a problem then, it's not a problem now.
>>81489053
>If you're not going to refute anybody's points outside of screaming "strawman!" then leave, idiot.
It's a public forum you autist.
>>81489114
Nope.
>>81489114
>>81489201
D E S T R O Y E D
>>81489053
You must be retarded if you think you're right, with you being paranoid as fuck. I'm surprise that you still think that "tumblr" shows exist.
>He thinks that he's the smart one
>>81489053
> mentioning regular show
regular shows art style is the most unique art style in modern American animation.
>>81488750
Immalleable official art styles can be a bitch.
>>81489230
>>81489201
>Implying that he's right
Not even the same anon, but killyourself.
>>81489053
>If Jenny walked into PPG she wouldn't fit that show's style
I honestly think she probably would
>>81482176
Modern board artists stop caring because the Koreans dont give a shit if your board has an arrow or 40 panel keyframes.
>>81488750
>>81489305
*kill yourself
>>81488987
>professionally done both
Craig, is that you? In all seriousness, though, what have you worked on?
>>81489272
how old are you again?
>>81489183
I'm telling you to stop shitposting if you're not going to contribute anything.
>>81489361
You're the only one shitposting.
>>81489361
How is using some random tumblr art going to prove your "point"?
>>81489361
Is that one made by the same person who did the "90's sucked" comic?
>>81489201
why is he as big as a racoon
he should be as tall between Mordo and Benson
>>81489337
>they didn't draw in Steve Ahn's Avatar lowmouth
oh no
what a shame
>>81489201
Yeah, I can clearly tell Dipper apart from the rest of them.
>>81489415
fucked up my screencap
>>81487913
Gravity Falls also had more effort put into it unlike SU and AT
>>81488643
Hm?
I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoyed "reading" that storyboard. With how simple AT and this episode in particular seem, I could perfectly picture it in my head. That's all the storyboard's got to accomplish.
>>81487280
>movie boards = tv animation boards = live action boards = commercial work boards
k
>>81489272
It's basically the Simpsons' style done even more badly.
>>81489265
>has yet to refute me
Keep on going, modern cartoon IDF
>>81489405
Dipper is retardedly short. Wendy and the other teenagers tower over him despite only being like 2 1/2 years older.
>>81489419
Continue to ignore that he fits in perfectly with those shows, i guess.
>>81489588
Actually it has to accomplish making animation from scratch based on that.
Not what you've already seen.
>>81489531
>That finale
>That whole season 2b
SU and maybe even AT out just as much effort as GF.
>>81489588
yhea bro who needs effort in art when stick figures can accomplish the same thing! just imagine the quality and you're set :)
>>81489665
>Continue to ignore that he fits in perfectly with those shows, i guess
But he doesn't. And neither do SU and Clarence.
>>81489532
>that
>perspective
That's eight-year-old-child-tier one-point perspective with the character literally just getting larger on the screen as he approaches the camera with barely any thought towards how perspective should apply to the drawing
>>81489682
What? No. A storyboard's there to give you a rough visualization on how the scenes are to be set up. Which camera angles to use, where the movement goes and what a character does in a particular scene. If someone decides to use certain expressions directly for their animation, that's their decision, but it's not the purpose of a storyboard.
>>81489665
Ok. Well why do you think this why? Why do you think that modern cartoons try to be tumblr-ish?
I don't see the problem with a simple storyboard provided the animators are competent enough.
>>81489393
That the general aesthetic of these shows are the same.
>>81489404
No that's someone else. You see how all of this crap blends together? I'll post that next.
>>81489851
So what. Yeah they look the same. But it's the story that matters, not the look of the show. If a show can be entertaining with it's story, music and animation, I really don't care.
>>81487445
>worst storyboarder
>not lamar
At least hellen's boards are entertainingly bad, lamars are just bland and stiff and his writing is xayaphone tier
>>81489829
Well it helps that the person who draws the layouts (the next stage of production after storyboard) is also in the same building, let alone the same country
For American animation, it is not that way.
>>81489851
Protip: every era of animation had popular styles to steal from, and each era also has unique works that stand out from the rest.
>>81489956
I think it's because he was paired up with Hellen Jo that his badness seeped through. He bounces off better with his new partner.
ITT: children being retarded
>>81490015
This. There still unique stuff out there.
>>81490029
Who, that guy posting those tumblr pics.
>muh millenials
>muh tom and jerry killing eachother each week was the highlight of tv animation
why are old farts such ginormous faggots? tv cartoons have just gotten better, thank god were over the 'take two animals and have them torment eachother for 15 minutes' era. Those arnt funny, or entertaining- they are boring.I can only hope western cartoons become closer and closer to japanimation, both in animation quality and plot. Things like Rick and Morty/ Bojack are close but need to cut the LOL EDGY JOKE HAHAHA and maybe we will get there. Itll be the French, presumably.
>>81488181
I think the people behind that show are british (they worked on gumball and the CN pilot was made by the same studio that makes gumball)
>>81490029
/board
>>81489997
Layout artists do in fact work in the same studio as storyboard artists.
Even the damned background artists work in the same place too.
And don't pretend that those whacky chinese cartoons are even remotely better than Western animation in quality or production practices, their entire industry has been tanking for years now and it's only more apparent than ever that they're all creatively bankrupt.
>>81489751
Denial is the first stage of grief.
>>81489826
>Why do you think that modern cartoons try to be tumblr-ish?
Well simply, it's what sells today. Like how the retro 50s look sold when PPG and Dexter where popular. But the difference today is that you don't get anybody in animation outside of that tumblr voice, except Mickey Mouse (which is done by Spongebob guys and it shows).
It's also very safe stuff, which is appealing to very politically correct people.
>>81490167
>Layout artists do in fact work in the same studio as storyboard artists.
proof pls
thnx
>>81490167
>western tv animation studios having a on-staff layout artists
stopped reading there, you dont know what the fuck your talking about.
>>81490167
ohhhh shit their eyes
>>81490203
>Denial is the first stage of grief
Are you blind or just autistic.
>>81490242
Layout artists only get paid ~$15/hr, they save money buy not outsourcing to Koreans who would fuck it up anyways.
Alternatively you can start calling up animation studios and asking them, I'm not going to indulge your autism.
>>81490203
>It's also very safe stuff, which is appealing to very politically correct people.
GF and SU had children nearly die on a daily basis. How is that safe?
>>81490203
But...I still like those shows. Does that make me tumblr?
>>81489997
>>81490167
Layouts in anime are normally done by the animators themselves, save for some exceptions where there will be a dedicated layout artist or the director takes on that job himself.
Do the Korean studios in western cartoons really need so much hand-holding throughout the production process? Surely there are at least some studios who are good enough to be given more creative responsibilities than just animating. It's interesting how even the timing has to be determined by the western side of production.
>>81490342
your continued verbiage isn't proof
We see storyboards and modelsheets and backgrounds from modern cartoons all over the place. How come there's nowhere to find the layouts?
>>81490376
You ever watch any cartoons made before 2004?
They were gritty and edgy, and actively tried slipping mature jokes past the censors on the regular. Cartoons are so safe and unoffensive it's boring these days.
>>81490167
this is a japanese childrens cartoon, for little girls. its more dynamic than any action show besides maybe some bits of avatar in the last 20 years. western animation is all flash, or korean studios tweening board panels together then cleaning them up in such a way it might as well be flash.
>industry
>tanking
by all accounts its doing great, but transitioning to a merch-based way of making money in the same way that western television has had to with less and less people watching commercials or tv.
>>81490396
I'm afraid so. You're right to feel bad.
>>81490460
>They were gritty and edgy, and actively tried slipping mature jokes past the censors on the regular. Cartoons are so safe and unoffensive it's boring these days.
It's like you've never seen GF or RS.
![Fawful1-600x299[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/K7kHKkM.jpg "Fawful1-600x299[1].jpg")
Dammit!
Who got their CalArts all over my vidya?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seriously, the bean/peanut head shape is just a general shape used by a fuckton of things cause the rounded oblong shape is pleasing and closer to human faces, similar to old Disney characters all having really circular heads.
And it's not like angular heads are something that don't exist anymore, hell all Canadian toons seem to be those. And even in their repsective shows with the bean heads there's plenty of more abstracted head shapes.
>>81490342
They dont employ 'layout artists' they have the board artists and BG people fudge it and let korea handle the rest.
dont believe me? ask any one working on twitter. anyone.
>>81490435
Korean studios are notorious for fucking up absolutely everything they don't have their hands held for. Every single cartoon animated there has several sheets of Do's and Don'ts with lots of drawn examples for the most basic shit so that they get a consistent desired result.
>>81490203
>But the difference today is that you don't get anybody in animation outside of that tumblr voice, except Mickey Mouse (which is done by Spongebob guys and it shows).
What?
>>81490463
If the alternative is pandering to shitty otaku that buy the overpriced Blu Rays to jerk off to OVAs, I'll take the current shit fest every time.
