Doesn't it seem like Constantine should be a Marvel comic instead of a DC comic?
I am constantly forgetting Constantine is DC, to be honest with you.
>>81468599
He would be interesting on a Marvel setting on a crossover, but the DC Heaven/Hell mythology is integral part to him
DC should just fuck off with trying to make him interact with the superheroes
He should stay outside of all that shit, like Sandman/morpheus did
>>81469095
>DC should just fuck off with trying to make him interact with the superheroes
This. He is the street levelest of street level superheros. Don't get him mixed up with people who can tank ultimate cosmic destruction rays.
>>81469095
>He would be interesting on a Marvel setting on a crossover,
He could be worthy enough to take Magik's V-card
>>81468599
No. Don't see what difference that makes.
>>81468599
That's a huge-ass S on his cape.
Putting him, or any of the other vertigo characters, back in the main universe was a huge mistake.
>>81469128
Yup. He sucks when hes interacting with capes. OPs panel is funny but not interesting.
As for OPs question. His dick personality fits Marvel but his magic doesnt work the way marvels does. Keep in mind DC magic is based off of Jurgens, Lovecraft and Lord Dunsany. Marvel is D&D in nature.
>>81469220
If anyone can handle that demon pussy its Constantine
>>81469247
Swamp Thing works. Constantine doesnt
>>81469095
A little bit of cape interaction now and then is good fun. Just don't over do it.
>>81469261
>Keep in mind DC magic is based off of Jurgens, Lovecraft and Lord Dunsany. Marvel is D&D in nature.
>>81469285
Nu52 swamp thing was so shit. They saturday morning cartooned it so fucking hard.
>>81469325
Do you?
>>81469325
>Marvel is D&D in nature.
not that guy but ive read marvel since the late 90s and im not sure how marvel magic works for the most part. is there a specific story/series that explains this?
>>81469339
He was ok in animal man but only cause that comic was godly
>>81469379
I may have made a false equivalence. What i meant was that it was mathematical in nature, specific words and movements have to be done to make the magic work, and the right materials need to be used. I play a lot of DnD so that just jumps at me.
>>81469399
Man, there is just something about the art in that that makes in unreadable for me.
>>81468599
If that were the case Hellblazer would've crossed over with all their epic events.
>>81468599
Not really.
>>81469468
Yup and thats why i love it. Puge made the thing so twisted and gut wrenching. The whole comic was sick snd every issue was worse
>>81468599
I just wanna see him fuck around with Loki / Mephisto / Strange / Etc...
It'd be so fun
>>81469824
He would be bros with Doom
>>81469837
Actually the only comparable person i Marvel is Loki. Not cause power levels but how he uses disruption, Constantine confuses the status quo asbmuch as loki
>>81469243
*huge ass hope
>>81470324
Is the S=hope canon in the comics?
Seems weird all the chars with the S are now avatars of hope.
>>81468599
>Constantine
>DC
>being this much of a DCxMarvelcuck he doesnt know any other publishers
>>81468599
How about Constantine/Hellboy?
>>81468599
Nah. Marvel never had a Vertigo.
And magic is generally more prevelant in DC then in Marvel, though not non-existent by any means mind you.
>>81468599
I think it was that Hellblazer was mainly a Vertigo title. They fucked off in their own little vertigo corner and did the shit DC was uncomfortable touching in DC. when they big stupid New 52 merger whatever happend, everything that wasn't originally DCLets be honest a lot that was DC toolost its original feel. Constantine in my opinion has been noticeably soft and hesitant if not avoiding it's original... attitude for awhile so it can fit in as best it can to the larger DC picture.
>>81469128
His core villain clientele includes some pretty high tier dudes.
He just always outmaneuvers them with hedge magic and bullshit more than anything. Magic Batman.
>>81468599
They need to meet, the duck with the cosmic shit-magnet and the man with the magic shit-magnet, stogies meets silk cuts.
>>81469243
>>81470324
Come to think of it, it's drawn wrong. The cape logo is usually solid yellow.
>>81470366
As long as Birthright was canon, so not until Secret Origin
>>81469325
>>81469379
>>81469449
What he means is magic is kinda science-ey in Marvel in that it's a skill anybody can study and learn.
Marvel has relatively few magic-based characters because of this because sorcery is REALLY hard and time-consuming to learn, so there's some magic-using characters that use "crutches" like Nico Minoru from the Runaways
DC's magic is something you have to have a gift for as well as study, and in modern days it actually makes you part of a sub-species of the human race, Homo Magi.
It also ties VERY heavily into the supernatural horror and weird fantasy fiction elements of Vertigo since a lot of it's characters migrated there when DC stopped giving them stories in the 90's.
Thus magic is less a practiced skill and more of an inborn talent combined with weird poetic allegory and creepy ritual shit that often gets kind of disturbing.
In DC, most magic belongs in the dark (Alan Scott and Shazam nonwithstanding, though I always though it would be fun to have a Vertigo series starring Alan) where it does it's own weird things in secret places and only sometimes ends up where everyone can see it.
>>81469285
>Constantine doesnt
Constantine works entirely fine in superhero comics, people just have a bad habit of writing him too much as pew pew lasers from finger magician instead of a bastard manipulator who tricks people into solving problems and occasionally makes like a sigil.
>>81471215
Give one example
>>81469220
Magik is a lesbian.
>>81471405
>>81471405
no way you can back that up, Bendis
>>81469220
>>81471405
and fruthermore she was prisoner of a hell lord who took her "innocence" and "purity"
>>81468599
>Doesn't it seem like Constantine should be written by tumblr hacks?
NO.
>>81473951
Too late for that now he'said even having sex with demons.
>>81471215
>people just have a bad habit of writing him too much as pew pew lasers from finger magician
Reminds me when NuConstantine went all "I NEVER REALIZED THAT MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF PEOPLE BEING CUNTS TO EACH OTHER HAD ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES"
It was a classic example of why there's absolutely no point in reading capeshit as it is being released.
>>81471382
All of his early 80s appearances and hanging out on the JLA satellite during Crisis, etc.
>>81473951
The new 52 Constantine is terrible anyway, who cares at this point.
>>81469095
>stay away from superheroes
>sandman/morpheus
uhhhhhhhhhhhh you mean the comic with cameos by Batman, Wildcat, Etrigan and Martian Manhunter and whose overall story was intimately connected with the legacy of the sandman superhero legacy as well as hawkman?
Yeah, great example there bud
>>81468599
Marvel can't write magic for shit compared to DC.
Zatanna had a cameo in Hellblazer but all they did was sit around getting fucked up. It was great.
>>81471417
It's a more solid case than Iceman being in the closet.
>>81477235
Fourty is one of my favorite issues, its also the last time that any DC character would show up for a good while. Its also the first issue under Vertigo
>>81477346
I never realized it was Vertigo's first. Makes sense now, given the tonal shift.
>>81468599
He's too good for Marvel.
>>81471382
Twilight of the Superheroes.
>>81468599
Seems more like he should be Vertigo.
>>81469837
Doom would just kill him if he could get away with it. He's be in Doom's top 5 most hated sapients, easily.
>>81476072
What the fuck are you on about man ? Out of 10 fucking trades of this graphic novel there's maybe one panel "mentioning" a JLer, and no connection whatsoever with hawkman or the "superhero legacy" as you call it... Have you even read it ?
Also,
>Etrigan
>Superhero
>>81478659
I think they'd have an understanding as John would probably help Doom gets his mother back rather than Strange just so he'd have a favor from the ruler of Latveria.
>>81471405
That is no obstacle to Constantine.
>>81478695
John is not that good.
>>81478668
Did you uh, somehow miss the entire Carter family saga there?
The single issue with Element Girl?
The Martian Manhunter intro in the first few issues?
All the cameos in Dream's wake?
>>81478668
>no connection whatsoever with hawkman or the "superhero legacy" as you call it... Have you even read it ?
There's an entire arc dedicated to Jack Kirby's Sandman, starring characters from Infinity Inc.
Hell, one of the spin-offs stars Wesley Dodds.
>>81468599
No.
>>81469824
>>81469837
Are you actually 12?
Would he side with Cap or Tony?
>>81478668
Yeah, I have read it. You're clearly the one who hasn't.
Of course I feel vindicated since the other responses to you are people on my side.
And Etrigan definitely counts as a superhero at times.
No connection Hawkman or the other Sandman at all? LMAO Dude...There's literally more than arc about Wesley Dodds and Hector Hall(the bronze and silver age Sandmen). Hector Hall is literally Hawkman's son and there's an entire arc about Hawkman and Dodds.
What the fuck comic were YOU reading?
>>81478940
>>81479011
I rest my case.
Thanks for the backup, guys.
>>81476072
Highschool internet must be less monitored than it should be.
>>81480069
You mean me(the person you're quoting) or the person I was quoting? because last I checked there are a lot of references to and appearances by superheroes in Sandman and an entire arc about the original Sandman, Hawkman, and Hawkman's son as Sandman
>>81478538
>that image name
>>81478940
>>81479011
>>81479205
>>81479257
Okay, maybe I was a little adamant there... I apologize..
It's been a while since I read it and I don't remember any of this, so I just checked the first trade, and there was indeed mention of Wesley Dodds as Sandman (for one panel) and 2 pages with the Martian Manhunter.
I'm not really familiar with Hawkman's mytho or Kirby's Sandman so I don't recall the entire arc dedicated to them, can you specify which one is that ?
But let's be real here, Sandman's story is pretty long, and is not anchored in the world superheroes live in. Since Vertigo is DC it doesn't surprise me that there are a few mentions and interactions to suggest they evolve in the same universe, but it's not like one Sandman story out of two is a teamup with Batman...
>>81481231
>can you specify which one is that ?
The Doll's House.
>>81471405
like that ever stopped Constantine.
>>81478940
>>81476072
Cameos are cameos. Some arcs did feature superheroes but the series itself was contained from everything going on the DC mainline, and most of the stories (if not all) that features superheroes were more deconstructionist than anything else. Fuck off
>>81479089
They're pretty irrelevant to him as he deals with actual people rather than mutant wierdos and affluenza victims.
>>81479089
Himself
>>81483983
Who are also people.
>>81468599
He was not a Boy Scout. They aren't even called that in Britland, since they let girls in the same organization. Plus his asshole molester dad would never let him waste time and money with shit like that, even if he wanted to.
>>81486049
>same organization
False. Boys go to Scouts. Girls go to Brownies.
Though even I just call them all boy scouts and girl scouts.
>>81474553
Finally, someone else remembers that John Constantine was important during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
As for Constantine being in the mainline DC universe: I think it can work. But! There's a caveat.
John Constantine doesn't normally deal with world ending threats (the stuff with the First of the Fallen and all that is just because how much the First hates him). And his magic is less finger gun lasers then it's just flat out manipulating people and spirits and angels and then, maybe... sometimes... he goes and draws a sigil and boom. Magic.
Also, I think if a major event happens in the comic book, you could have John and Chaz talk about it in a cab ride.
"So you hear about that new Batman in Gotham now? Gots himself a Badge and everything."
>>81476455
Thank you! Magic is down right cartoony in the Marvelverse. Constantine would become a joke in Marvel.Keep him in DC where he can stay a bastard.
>>81470911
Dreams never come through anon
>>81486730
Girls can't be excluded from the scouts since 2007.
>>81486938
>important
That's pushing it. He knew Swamp Thing, and recommended him as a way to let the living realm have representation in the fight against the spiritual backlash of the crisis taking place in Hell. He got a couple sorcerers to sacrifice themselves keeping them informed. Swamp Thing himself was way more important.
>>81468599
no because he smokes
>>81471041
There is also the element of "getting higher-dimension entities lending you powers"
>>81488149
I guess there is a lot of room in the market for middlemen in Marvel. Does anyone even run John's sort of game besides Loki?
>>81471215
John has more in common with crime comics than capes.
>>81488331
It varies quite a bit. He's better at dealing with demons than gangsters.
>>81468599
No. The further away he's from capeshit, the better.
>>81488271
unlikely.
John could easily work in Marvel as the go-to guy for all those times magic is involved but Wanda is away on Avengers business and it's not obviously worth calling Strange(especially because usually he's already there when it's something worth his time).
Nobody like him because he's a manipulative dick who WILL cash his credits, most likely at your expenses.
But he's reasonably competent(and just tell you straight when it's better ask a specialist like Doc Voodoo or he doesn't know shit about something. You still owe him one.) and USUALLY the shit he uses his superhero-credits for is "right" enough for them to not simply punch him and give him to Daimon Hellstrom(who has a special area prepared for him. He's the main focus of John's pranks.)
Spidey manages to avoid being in debt with him(after the first time) by paying him with booze on the spot.
He doesn't tell the others because he doesn't want them to accidentally kill John with alcohol poisoning.
>>81488684
>and just tell you straight
No. He will lie and put you at risk. He is a terrible person.
>>81488422
Whats the difference?
Honestly.
A bunch of organized self aggrandizing (allbeit dangerous) dipshits with rules and customs they abide by that you can use to your advantage.
See thats what makes Hellblazer work.
Thats how John sees them too.
>All I ever wanted was for the world to be free of your kind, whether you were here in Parliament on in senate or junta or Hell or Heaven. Maybe that's pointless, then. Maybe the people are too small and scared to be free. Maybe they want you there, shitting all over them. But like a salesman who's only too eager to sew up his market and stitch up his customers, you're happy enough to exploit that. Aw, sod it. Sod you. For whatever it's worth, you were always the enemy. So you can listen to what I have to say. Matt was right. I'm not ashamed. I'm not ashamed.
Put yourself above another and John thinks you're an asshole.
Hellblazer is a horror/crime comic about the struggles of the working class Brit.
Think about the time period he's a product of.
It was one of the few times in recent history working class schmoes and the rebellious youth were in agreement about something
Fuck Maggie, fuck the queen, leave us be.
Let us go about our days and let us us stumble home from the pub come night.
Stop fucking with our livelyhood and our lives
>>81488759
He would try that shit at first.
Wanda AND Strange would then proceed to make it clear to him he's better stop lying when people are trying to save lives, or they will proceed to school him. Which obviously would happen.
Basically, in Marvel, either John doesn't exceed playing dirty or he starts eating dirt.
>>81488789
>Whats the difference?
Scale and MO, at least.
>>81488888
Well señor Ocho, John might not be any match for the likes of them normally, but if you corner him and give him ultimatums about what he can and can't do for the rest of his life, you're putting the whole world at risk in the long run. Even killing him isn't that smart. He'd just go to Hell.
>>81488959
And indeed At most.
>>81489067
>He'd just go to Hell.
/r/ing the image of John threatening god
>>81489067
It's STRANGE we're talking about here.
John's super-bullshitting isn't powerful enough to deal with the MU if he makes the wrong people angry.
And MU Hell(any iteration) is completely different from DC Hell.
Blimey, it's actually quite possible John would stop for the simple fact he'd get bored at Ghost Rider going after his ass every other week because he did cause innocents suffer
>>81489244
So you're saying he could work if he was an entirely different character.
Congrats. You're retarded.
>>81489131
He was grifting Jesus into overturning his father's will. A real boost to his demonic street cred, but hardly the same thing.
>>81489312
No, I'm saying he'd be in a completely different world with different rules and characters.
He'd have to adapt, to some degree.
That's it, if you keep him in NY to have him to interact with normal capes on somehow regular basis.
Is this the new type of power level thread?
Magic level thread?
>>81489430
Naw, that was already a thing. This is more like jew level. John's wile is maximum. He could sell Mafesto his own tail.
>>81489567
he's not that good- but he's a REALLY good con-man.
It would be fun if, in MU, he'd be forced to lie LESS, because his bullshitting was so might it actually started affecting reality(causing Loki to start annoying him to class-up and become a storyteller, not just a liar)
>>81489422
I don't think you understand the character. Constantine doesn't listen to anyone, no matter how much more powerful they are, and no matter how fucked he'd be if he pissed someone off.
>>81489785
There is no doubt he'd try.
But given the different setting of the MU and how magic works there, he'd likely lose all his powers first. And then he'd be punched in the groin by magic ninjas, while Crazy Egytpian Moongod Batman offers everybody booze.
>>81489567
those couples pages were worth the entire volume of BoM0
So, let's make a list of characters who are the best at jewing out in the MC / DCU.
JC and Loki as already benn cited, who else?
>>81489926
Mafesto saved the multiverse by lying to a totally omniscient Thanos to stall for time.
>>81490032
This one I never heard off, is it canon?
Was one of those absurd crossevent no one care or remember?
>>81490032
He wasn't lying, though.
Mefisto is THAT good he doesn't lie very often.
Which, frankly, it's what John would do in the MU, as flat-out lying would get his has bust.
>>81490122
It's Infinity Guantlet.
The common problem with being omniscient is knowing everything but still having to focus on WHAT REMEMBER at any given time.
It get easier with practice.
>>81490231
thanks
>>81471405
Constantine is a lesbian too anon
>>81490782
here is a picture of him kissing another man to prove your point
>>81491540
He sure did fuck that guy. God damn.
