Good evening owls of /co/
Last two issues, then the next mini...
Good
>>81456474
>>81456474
Hello Storyteller.
Get a load of those violence women who are kinda sorta technically the same person, but not really.
LOWW writer is being kinda unprofessional on twitter, I get that she's upset but whining and pleading with readers to do something about it isn't going to help at all
>>81456556
I like violence women!
>>81456584
Ummm, yeah. Also: waiting until trade sales begin is a better idea than going to your public on social media and saying that you're just too diverse and appealing to new readership for the suits.
>>81456474
Kinda looks like the Thundercats symbol up front there
>>81456636
needs a crossover vs. Mumm-Ra, it fucking writes itself
>>81456685
You could legit just drop Thanagar into that franchise and it would work for sure. Also He-Man, basically anything like that.
>>81456621
>>81456685
>She's a Rannian. If she is to have a future, she must learn to fight for it.
Yeesh. You like violence moms too, with a touch of grim?
>>81456728
shit, DC does MotU comics, right?
I am a sad owl, there's apparently no new Gotham tonight.
>>81456809
wonderful Kilowog
>>81456685
The way these Khundians look makes the whole Vega-system-is-the-middle-east TK thing make more sense.
>>81456809
yes they do, I think Giffen was doing one recently?
>>81456872
I love it that they remembered he's a scientist
>>81456872
>>81456918
Have Gates and Kilowog ever hung out?
I see DC is doing a TPB of THE DARING NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERGIRL. That’s MY proofreading on the cover! https://twitter.com/TrekkerTalk/status/716834457940930561
>>81456809
Yeah they had He-Man meet Superboy I'm sure. Also Flash Gordon.
I'm not big up on Hawkman but there are bits and pieces of fluff all over like:
>He also discovered a hidden kingdom of sentient birds led by the old One-Eye, who taught him their language and later sacrificed himself to save the Hawkman's life.
That make me think a modern run on him (even a revisionist one like Immortal Iron Fist) would be fucking wild.
>>81456964
no and now I am deeply upset by that fact, thanks
>>81456872
>rings can accelerate planet growth
.... Fucking what? How? Since when?
>>81456941
>>81456979
wheet wheet we read that one
>>81457016
fucking Blackfire
>>81456982
It's a power ring. Random bullshit is what it's all about.
>>81457016
Was it as amazing as it sounds?
>>81456982
the rings can do all kinds of shit its just the vast majority of the time the corpsman/writer just leaves it for fighting/killing/shielding/arresting
>>81456981
something to stick in my 'plans for DC pile then"
>>81456971
Best Supergirl costumewithout a headband
>>81457052
also fuck this shit
>>81457063
Vintage Hawkman is pretty great because you get a ton of Joe Kubert art
>>81456941
>top panel
>those two prisoners
Oh, "gentlemen", she'd chew you up and spit you out like so much old taffy.
>>81456964
>>81456981
A thousand years apart. Not happening even with time travel. Legionnaires and Lanterns don't get along.
>>81456584
>LOWW writer is being kinda unprofessional on twitter
Shocker.
>>81457073
obligatory memory of happy Legion days
>>81457081
Oh FUCK YOU
>>81457081
>>81457052
Fuck you Blackfire, I no longer ship you with Vril
Shayera ;_;
>>81456636
At first I read that as Thunderbolts.
>>81456812
Watch DWTS with your family, anon.
>>81456915
Abnett is the current writer, I think.
>>81457081
>>81457052
>>81457081
... Did Shayera just get fridged?
Either way, that is fucking stupid and unnecessary.
>>81457081
Gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
See, this is why this is the worst IC mini. That, and because it's the more poorly written of the lot too.
>>81456982
Where there's a will there's a way.
>>81457217
>>81457223
yes :(
>>81457081
MANPAIN
>>81457286
oh man, the baritone sounds iffy tonight
>>81456982
>>81457248
Being reasonable, the rings have a fantastic amount of energy in them right? AFAIK sometimes It's just a huge but plot convenient amount and other times it's a limitless amount, but runs out if it doesn't get the lantern hook-up regularly.
Green Lanterns are able to control that energy in any form so it's not completely ridiculous it could be used for terraforming.
>>81457308
Onimar I am bored of you already. Step up your god game hawks.
>>81457308
Oh god I read all of Annihilation today and now I have to jump back into more war...?
PS Dick Rider's a little bitch and Sam is better in every way
>>81457408
Shut your whore mouth, Rich saved the universe.
>>81457406
>>81457408
>PS Dick Rider's a little bitch and Sam is better in every way
You best watch yourself saying shit like that here.
>>81457459
>>81457364
Agreed. It really doesn't help that he is yet another giant dude. DC has a serious problem where most of their "Shit just got real." villains are just giant dudes.
>>81457408
thank god for someone else standing bravely for truth
>>81457328
I've always been a fan of the idea that GL rings can do, quite literally, ANYTHING, so long as the user has the willpower to do it. I'm not sure how often than angle has been actually been explored, and it opens up the field to major power creep if not kept in check, but still.
>>81457408
>and now I have to jump back into more war...?
How do you feel about a Half-Century War?
>>81457517
It's like they've never played an action game. The big guys are easy, it's the humanoids that suck.
>>81457483
anon's just trolling
>>81457551
>I'm not sure how often than angle has been actually been explored, and it opens up the field to major power creep if not kept in check, but still.
Never, because writers have been doing the opposite of power green for the GLs for a long ass time
I actually think they might be weaker now than they've ever been
>>81456809
Tigorr is literally >:3
So do Katar and Shayera reincarnate or is that only the earthbound versions of the Hawks? Do they exist in the same continuity?
>>81456584
huh? what happened now?
>>81457604
>>81457408
Teen Rich was a meathead, teen Sam is written by Bendis.
>>81457619
Katar reincarnated into Carter
Shayera was apparently not part of the reincarnation cycle
>>81457619
>mfw I'm trying to parse the Hawksnarl enough to answer
/o\
>>81457661
>teen Sam is written by Bendis
wat?
>>81457661
>teen Sam is written by Bendis.
Sam's solo when Wells and Duggan were writing it was enjoyable.
>>81457619
Just smile and nod, Anon. I've had someone explain the entire history of the Hawks, and I STILL don't get it.
>>81457672
>>81457665
>>81457672
So did Katar reincarnate into Prince Khufu in the past, on another planet? Why wasn't Shayera part of the cycle?
>>81457551
the main problem has always been the Guardians always tried to keep a close check on what the corps where doing with their rings, fly to close to the sun and they'd slap em down and attempt to erase the memory and history of said corpsman from the glc
Good examples
>both Lobo and Vril being banned from getting a ring for fear of essentially jailbreaking the rings through their willpower and turning their tools of "peace" into wmds
>Sinestro and every single level of fuckery he's down with power rings both in green and yellow flavors
>Hal killing Korna even with the block to keep green rings from killing guardians in place
>>81457700
There is room for some kind of crazy Morrison-esque unification of all Hawkman stories told in a limited run with paired issues from the viewpoints of Hawkman and Hawkwoman throughout the ages anon. You just have to believe in it.
>>81457697
How's Sam in Waidvengers? I haven't been keeping up with that book after Strange Fruit pissed me off so much.
>>81457742
This Hawkman is kind of a mashup of all the Hawkmans including Katar, but Kendra's just Shiera, not Shayera
god this is ridiculous
>>81457790
cute, he and the other kids are the best part of the book
>>81457613
Tigorr a cute.
>>81457799
how's Sam Nova solo this time? It was a decent Cosmic book when Bendis GOTG was at its most incompetent
>>81457803
That's good to hear.
I still wanna see Rage show up super pissed off about Avengers being all buddy buddy with kids now.
Donna and the Hawks ought to hang out. Living continuity errors should stick together. ... Or maybe that would just fuck things up even worse.
>>81457799
NO I NEED TO KNOW OP.
Even if someone has the image describing how much of a fuck-up the origin is, that would be enough.
>>81457830
>>81457847
Johns kind of fixes it all together in Brightest Day, and that all went for fucking naught
>>81457799
All-Star Superman? After the bust that was All-Star Batman I'm not buying into DC's crap anymore. Dropped!
>>81457891
>>81457905
LOL
>>81457551
Willpower + imagination, no?
>>81457990
Man they fucked up with Hal. And Guy.
>>81456584
I kind of get the frustration. You see all these people online talking about how good it is and the numbers just aren't there. So even if they're buying, it's not enough to matter.
Of course it's selling about what I expected. That's just the comics market these days. It sucks. DC not cancelling it mid-run is probably better than what most companies would do.
>>81457905
>10 years later
>ASBAR still not finished
>All Star Batman is happening
>>81457910
I'm confused, does he get power from Nth Metal, or from eating souls?
>>81458032
I still chuckle over Jim Lee making fun of that
>>81458019
It's not that they fucked up, SK much as they have willpower out the ass, and not so much imagination.
>>81458032
>>81458070
How great would it be if he did a back up in it?
i'm so pumped for that book
>>81458022
It's the kind of thing that COULD sell in trade, so the thing to do, at least, is not to talk shit about things not being greenlit, it's to drink and rant in private and be gracious in public.
>>81457910
I like how this big fucker thinks he's going to have a field day on the universe once he gets past these guys.
He makes it to space then he has to contend with Vril, L.E.G.I.O.N., Lobo, Green Lanterns, the multiple multiple galactic empires that could fight the GLC to a standstill like the Dominators.
Not even to mention if he made it to earth which is a nexus of superbeings to slap his shit.
>>81458099
Yeah that public venting isn't the best way to handle it.
>>81458038
The power of souls courses through the Nth Metal, anon. It's like you didn't study shit in hawk school. What, were you raised by owls?
>>81458038
His body is made out of Nth metal, and he powers it up via soul eating
>>81457604
Mostly. He really was pathetic in the beginning though.
>muh worldmind
>muh Nova force control
>m-muh xanadar ;_;
>>81458147
He's p. much a shit Darkseid.
>>81458099
People really need to learn the magic of having twitter accounts just for venting, just for you and yours.
There's some battles you have to and should put out in the open, even if it's damaging, and that... isn't one of 'em.
>>81458178
No, worse. I was raised by normies.
>>81458147
Not to mention that this is a lead in to the R.E.B.E.L.S series we just read, so Starro is going to show up eventually as well.
Villains are always talking shit, and never realize that they themselves ain't shit.
>>81458202
>>81458227
They've been working hard and well on hand-selling it, and that's what twitter is for.
Bitching about shitty sales is for the locked one. And only say "we're cancelled" when you are actually cancelled.
>>81458227
Venting on twitter, even private twitter, seems inherently dumb. But I don't feel a strong urge to vent myself, so w/e.
>>81458293
And you can play chicken with Editorial when it's something like "you said all DCY series got 12", not when it's "I've pitched other things I want to do and those meanies haven't picked them up yet"
how to i get around DC's no random pitches rules to get Gates and Kilowog vs evil Capitalist owls mini series? like Legion Lost never got back, Gates is still around now
>>81458349
I think fanfic is the only way to go with that one, anon
>>81458349
It's the same rule as getting to do anything in Big 2 comics:
Buy someone who already works there a beer.
This is unbelievably more important than your actual writing skill, and I'm only half joking.
>>81458281
If I remember right theres still a couple minis before you even get to R.E.B.E.L.S.
>Mystery in Space starring Capt. Comet and the Strange at Hardcore Station
>OmegaMen mini
>the adventure of AnimalMan, Starfire, and Lobo
>>81458340
>>81458349
I think even this upcoming writer workshop forbids shop pitches, anon.
I'm afraid your idea might be as doomed as LOWW.
>>81458400
it's the Weird, it's fucking Starlin's Donut Steel, IIRC
>>81458429
Amazon may be an evil corporation, but I could order a doggie diaper for 2-day delivery at 6 AM easily with them
>>81458398
To the cons!
>>81458522
they're amazing
>>81457408
>PS Dick Rider's a little bitch and Sam is better in every way
Always a pleasure and eat a dick, Mr. Brevoort.
>>81458522
>>81458522
Hey, at this rate, we really have no choice but to use not just evil corporations, but super evil corporations.
I mean, they've pretty much made themselves inescapable. Like drinking Coca Cola, despite knowing that they've done massive damage to other countries and have probably had union leaders in foreign countries killed.
Whatcha gonna do!
At this point, it's not unreasonable to ask why the hell DC even bothers with niche stuff. None of the non-A-list titles ever sell well, and even among the A-list, the only profit comes from Batman and Superman. They should conduct and experiment where they just throw up their hands and say "fuck it", and cancel all books that aren't Batman and Superman. Just to see what the fuck would happen.
Right before Flashpoint DC came out with the Weird Worlds mini.
>lobo story
>story introducing GarbageMan a not Swampthing clone who lived in Gotham
>Story introducing Tanga the space alien
Apparently GarbageMan was to be a recurring chracter befroe Swampthing was allowed back into DC with Brightest Day and Tanga was to be a new cosmic character that was to encounter other cosmic characters but was indefinitely shelved.
Pity about em both, Tanga especially had potential
>>81458522
Man the Captain looks he's doing some kind of telekinetic kung-fu there and I would be pretty into it if that were his shtick.
>>81458599
Like that "we're heading for a dystopia!" soundbite. We already there senpai
>>81458597
>>81458611
isn't a tanga a skimpy cut of women's underwear?
>>81458609
Don't even be surprised if something like a Lobo movie were to happen 95% of it would take place in Gotham with Batman trying to stop Lobo from collecting a bounty.
>>81458684
Nah, the Lobo movie is gonna chase them Deadpool dollars. So it'll have 2 sets and an action scene
>>81457492
>You Hawkman shall lead the Rannian Army
>And you Adam Strange shall lead the Thanagarian
Either the writer forgot which race is which, or Synn is more of a fuckstick than I first believed.
>>81458609
>At this point, it's not unreasonable to ask why the hell DC even bothers with niche stuff.
oh, that reminds me of this article I came across today
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/the-mission-the-death-and-rebirth-of-dc-comics
>For something to be reborn, it must have died. Since the rebirth is upon us, from our perspective, the DC Comics superhero universe is dead. Knowing this, we are compelled to ask ourselves: "When did DC Comics die?"
>I'm not excited. I am an idealistic sucker. I know there are good people working at DC Comics, busting their humps on a regular basis, fighting every day against unfavorable industry perception.
>"Challengers of the Unknown." "Doom Patrol." "Kamandi." "Legion of Super-Heroes."
>Where are such titles and ideas in the "Rebirth" lineup?
>Where is that feeling of wonder which once defined the DC superhero universe, but has been missing for some time?
>It's still there, in the husk of the DC Universe. A dead thing, supposedly being reborn in weeks to come. I know that a lot of people are getting tired, tired of believing that DC Comics will embrace its legacy with love and pride, with open-mindedness, with an abandonment of hubris, with open hands to more visionary creators to produce without fear of having their ideas choked in the crib.
>>81458677
>>81458715
Given the "HAH!" I think it's probably fuckstickery.
>>81458715
I'm still convinced Gibbons cut this for a quick paycheck and the plot is entirely taken from his D&D game which was ongoing at the time.
>>81458677
yeah, it's like a slightly more substantial thong cut
>>81458611
>Pity about em both, Tanga especially had potential
Always fun googling Tanga.
What's happening this week...
Black Lightning TPB, Sweet Tooth TPB (hey, Lemire! remember what you're good at? hint: it's not team books!), fuckin'... new Bloodlines for some reason...
And, oh yeah, Wonder Woman Earth One, which I am "anxiously gritted teeth and wincing" optimistic about.
Oh fuck, and Coates/Stelfreeze Black Panther! Shit!
And Spider-Women, which Julia probably isn't in, which blows...
...And a fucking Civil War collection. Hurgh.
That's gonna need an SoP soon, isn't it?
>>81456474
Has Jade died yet? Did I miss Jade dying?
>>81458763
oh christ
I am feeling pretty low energy right now, ngl
>>81458854
Didn't she die in Infinite Crisis?
>>81458834
yeah gotta add the DC to the search
>>81458763
>>Where are such titles and ideas in the "Rebirth" lineup?
In DCYou, which no one cared about.
>>81458845
>Wonder Woman Earth 1 and TNC Panther
WELP guess it's time to leave /co/ wednesday
>>81458763
Illidge's article style is so off kilter, but he's like the only guy at CBR with anything substantial to ever say and he doesn't just eat Big 2's shit with a smile on his face like White.
>>81458856
Okay, not to dismiss any of their fans, but...
Has anyone made the Challengers of the Unknown work in the past 40 years?
>>81457830
I enjoy it, but I'm easy to please. It's hit and miss for /co/. Sales are abysmal, naturally.
>>81458763
>I know that a lot of people are getting tired, tired of believing that DC Comics will embrace its legacy with love and pride, with open-mindedness, with an abandonment of hubris, with open hands to more visionary creators to produce without fear of having their ideas choked in the crib.
Again, not an unreasonable assumption. So many critically acclaimed books have been killed by piss poor sales. Honestly, it may not even be DC's fault. Seems most nerds just have shit taste and will only invest in the most popular things.
>>81458896
Nah, I'm good searching it as is.
>>81458948
Besides Stan and Jack?
>>81458522
Say what you will about Amazon, they've got good customer service.
>>81458926
Oh yeah, that is going to be bigotry ground zero.
Maybe not "Miles Morales first apperance" bad, but it is going to be B A D.
>>81458609
Man this reminds me of when anons posted solicits from about a decade ago or so on here.
You wanna know how many non-Superman and non-Batman related stuff there was?
Not a lot at all.
Like it was Justice League members, Teen Titans, a small handful of c-listers and b-listers, and Vertigo books.
I kid you not, Batbooks and Superbooks took up like 70% of that output. And the overwhelming majority of them were the exact same thing. Batman, 'Tec, LOTDK, Nightwing, Batgirl, Robin, etc.
And people dare to cry about them taking up tons of books nowadays despite how varied they are now.
>>81457910
You know, Synn would be a lot more interesting if he actually DID something with his Nth Metal body.
Like, Iunno, play some merry hell with the local laws of gravity. Mini black holes for days. Rocks just floating all over the place. Planet slowly eroding into dust. Cool shit like that.
Shit, what am I telling you this for. Ya'll remember Graviton.
>>81458932
I quit following him on twitter because all he ever tweeted, over and over again, were links to his CBR stuff
>>81458986
yeah
>>81458926
I'll be here, anon
FOR YOU
>>81458932
White only does that with Marvel, he'll criticize the hell out of DC
it just seems disingenuous to criticize DC for not putting out books you damn know won't sell worth shit
>>81459017
Which is weird, because he's got shit to say! Dude's smart! He's done work in tons of places!
>>81459041
True, but I didn't wanna say just Marvel on a DC article.
>>81459074
He needs an editor, I think, because that super-elliptical style is a pain in the ass
>Also, God's sake, where is the feeling of wonder? It's back in 1992, when you were 12 years old.
>>81458932
I'm kind of curious what post-sale CBR will look like.
>>81458948
I'd do them a la that PKD story "A Little Something for Us Tempunauts" - totally fucking gone from year after year in altered timestates and alternate realities
>>81458019
Hal, has all the common sense of an average lemon. Thing is, when he needs to he's capable of some pretty quick thinking.
It's like, he saves up all his smart moments for when it's really needed by being...Hal, the rest of the time.
>>81458921
>"Why don't comics ever try anything different???"
>They did. None of those new books sold, so they had to go back to basics. Again.
>"... Well, uh.... MUH SJWS!!!!"
DCYou in a nutshell, honestly.
>>81458845
>>81458926
>Wonder Woman Earth One
Speaking of "muh sjws"... I don't like Morrison that much, but at least he's trying to make one of Diana's books finally have a point again. She's one of those superheroes who absolutely should have a political bent.
I can't wait for WWEO, I'm sad I have to wait for it to come in the mail
>>81458965
Really, the problem is, DC is trying to sell these books to their main market, the wednesday every week folks.
They will never, ever buy them in substantial number. They're a huge stumbling block, but you need to think beyond them if you want new books to sell.
>>81459109
>>81459198
there's the problem of production. OGNs are difficult because you have to tie up an artist for how long; monthlies let you spread things out, and artist gets to eat.
>>81458099
>Aleea if we did that entirely sensible thing, there wouldn't be much of a plot.
>>81459162
Some of the recent positive press on that irritated me, because they just see Morrison's name on the cover and praise decisions that would be REVILED with other creative teams. But I should be glad it hasn't caused anyone major to flip their shit yet.
>>81458763
>make a bunch of diverse titles with diverse creators
>few care, more are cautious, others still criticize for whatever reason
>they sell like garbage, in floppies and probably in trades
>cancel them all
>play it safe and get some money back by double shipping a listers
>can't have some of the creators coming back right away since they're working on finishing their DCYou books
>people suddenly care about diverse titles and creators
Okay
>>81458948
The Steven Grant and Jeph Loeb stuff. Yes, that Jeph Loeb.
>>81459234
>>81459162
>>"... Well, uh.... MUH SJWS!!!!"
To be fair, it was pretty hilariousand painfulwhen the Marysue put out that article saying DC was "trying too hard" to add diversity. Even people on the site were calling out the writer on that.
>>81459234
Yeah. They need to study the shit out of Ms. Marvel, and what she did right that others don't, and not just "different art style" or "not another white guy lead".
Marvel needs to study it too, because they really are having a lot of trouble copying its success.
>>81459162
It should, but I am certain Morrison is going to fuck up something big during it.
Like even being extremely gracious and giving him a ton of benefit of the doubt after all his trouble writing women, writing mothers, writing Diana in specific, I just know there's gonna be at least a handful of moments that make me whisper "you need an editor who can firmly tell you 'no', grant"
>>81459333
Sometimes I really, really wonder about what Disney does to keep its coverage under control. I'm not proposing bribes but we already know how shady film and game companies can be about reporter access vs. reporter coverage. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Disney was the same way.
>>81459241
Morrison gets a HUGE blindspot for lots of comic journos, even nominally aware ones. There's only a couple in this realm I'd take at face value when it comes to talking about Grant's work. Not because "he's too smart", but because so few are willing or able to seriously engage his problems.
>>81459333
Didn't they praise Marvel not long after for all the great women that Bendis writes, or something equally absurd?
>>81459340
>I just know there's gonna be at least a handful of moments that make me whisper "you need an editor who can firmly tell you 'no', grant"
There's nobody like that who exists now. He's certainly taking some schoolboy glee in having Diana offer a black Steve a slave collar.
>>81459333
Fuck, is that the same place that tried gushing about ANAD despite Bendis and 3-4 other white guys writing 25% of all the books, including many minority led and female led books?
And despite there being like 5 female writers total since some like KSD fucked off somewhere else
>>81459241
I tend to avoid initial press for things I'm interested in for exactly those reasons. Despite being the "cranky anon" I don't actually like to go and find stuff that will piss me the fuck off.
>>81459198
>>81459283
And you all wonder why I'm always bitching about how nerds suck.
>>81459392
Well, Marvel Comics basically destroys a company's access to any sort of exclusive material worth reporting on if you ever take too hard a tack on them, sooooo....
>>81459441
Yeah, that's a huge "oooooh, arent I being naughty!" moment.
>>81459340
When Marvel can't copy their own breakout book, it makes it clear how hard and unpredictable this shit is
steve being black and then in chains and submissive is super weird ngl
>>81459496
Picture Bendis and Brevoort discussing how to make a comic go viral.
>>81459496
I say it's half that, and half "Marvel editorial doesn't understand anything and outright refuses to learn".
And I don't think anything in the past 5 years contradicts this.
>>81459496
Well everyone can't be 2010s+ Spider-Man.
>>81459496
Synn is gone for good because he's super boring, not because he's trapped in 7 suns.
>>81459542
I'm imagining Coates in the Civil War 2 meeting room, eyes darting from Bendis to Brevoort and back again, thoughts flitting through his mind.
"How old are these guys?"
"Do they talk to anyone who doesn't work in comics?"
>>81459496
it's like cosmic goatse!
>>81459340
Well the thing is with Ms Marvel, not only is the book actually good, Marvel promoted the FUCK out of her. And not just marvel, but her being "the first muslim superhero!!" was enough for many headlines.
They did the same with female Thor and her book is still selling great too.
Like going on the view, colbert, etc.
But after a while it becomes "oh, they're doing it again" or with Hellcat and the like it's just "oh it's just a white girl headlining a book". They didn't even push Captain Falcon, Chulk, or Hellcat half as hard as Thor or Kamala.
>>81459340
>It should, but I am certain Morrison is going to fuck up something big during it.
It's that meta shit, every time. Like, he's good at curaaazy, but he keeps trying to be clever about it, and he needs to stop.
>Like even being extremely gracious and giving him a ton of benefit of the doubt after all his trouble writing women, writing mothers, writing Diana in specific, I just know there's gonna be at least a handful of moments that make me whisper "you need an editor who can firmly tell you 'no', grant"
Oh yeah. Like, we already have the yonic Invisible Jet, and it's only going to get crackier, and not in a good way.
>>81459610
I'm amazed he was there.
>>81459616
>Vril is still bald
>>81459616
MANOS
>>81459648
>>81459655
Chulk got no promo that I've seen
>>81459661
You may be able to fuck with Priest's day and McDuffie's day, but being one of the number 1 culture, politics and race writers in America today puts you close to the same level as the guy who phones in Guardians every month at Marvel, I guess.
>>81459705
tOrGo iS HeRe
>>81459655
>Marvel promoted the FUCK out of her.
And her editor.
>>81459655
I don't know if Leth will make inroads at Marvel. She's v. good at networking and has an extremely active consumer network in the Valkyries. It'll come down to what she's willing to tolerate, I think.
>>81459739
>>81459743
Sana Amanat is probably more of Kamala than GWW
>>81459691
I can't remember is the OmegaMen mini before or after this?
I swear Dox got balded in it
>>81459496
I'm curious to see how well Coates' Black Panther does.
It apparently has like 300,000 preorders so far, but it'll be like IIM where it drops 70%+ by the second issue due to the variants and hype surrounding it.
>>81459655
Yeah, promotion is key, and it kills me that they never seem to retain this lesson.
Sorry, Nick, Sam's book is fucked whether you like it or not.
>>81459717
Aside from the initial "outrage" attempts.
Has DC had anything to match a Kamala or Hawkguy?
>>81459728
>I heard you won the National Book Award, huh?
>That's right
>So tell me - do you think we should kill Spider-Man, or She-Hulk?
>>81459794
also The Fix
>>81459804
A surprise hit that got way more acclaim and attention than anybody thought it would?
no, not really
I suppose stuff like Omega Men got the acclaim but it sure as hell didn't get the sales. I really wonder how well the trade will do
>>81459776
I don't think she's willing enough to go along with being condescended to, ignored, jerked around, and other shit at Marvel to stay there for long. Plus she's got viable options outside of Marvel, so it's not like "I've GOT to stay here".
>>81459496
Oh hi, Donna. Between you and the Hawks, this clusterfuck of a book is only gonna get crazier.
>>81459441
>>81459522
I dunno, he's clearly taking the piss with that. It's still dumb as hell, but at least it's clearly a "tee hee" kind of thing.
Also, black Steve looks, well, not a whole lot like a black version of Steve Trevor. Black Steve I think would probably look like that Old Spice dude.
>>81459691
>>81459717
New headcanon: Vril's hair length is directly proportional to how evil Komand'r is.
>>81459804
Batgirl created the short-lived Batgirling approach to comics.
>>81459776
>and has an extremely active consumer network in the Valkyries
According to a former member, the whole thing is a cesspool. Which isn't much of a surprise, but still.
>>81459785
After
>>81459790
exactly, call me at #4 or so
>>81459794
Yeah
Kamala is probably the most promoted new character I can think of, from DC or Marvel.
Jaime comes to mind too, back when Young Justice and BTBATB were a thing.
And I think I remember he and Batwoman getting the most promotion like a decade ago when they were brand new and people were curious about a lesbian batcharacter.
>>81459887
yeah but that's Batgirl, she's always been relatively popular
Kamala came out of nowhere and Clint got a huge popularity boost with Fraction
>>81459790
Some of that 300,000 is a completely new audience. He's coming from very serious writing and the Atlantic.
>>81459859
That's definitely true, but I do think she wants to be there and there's lots of stuff she'd want to write there.
>>81459887
CamStew said on twitter that their Batgirl trades do very well, but who knows what that means
>>81459928
Clint's not keeping it without Aja, it seems, tho
>>81459804
Honestly, no.
Batgirl is the closest thanks to her outfit and her trade doing better than before.
Gotham Academy too due to them barely being associated to the Batguys but still having great trade sales for new characters.
But other than that, they mostly have critically acclaimed stuff that sells like shit. Omega Men, Midnighter, etc.
Also just gonna be honest I have this horrible creeping feeling that TNC's Black Panther is going to be completely mediocre.
>>81459888
imma take that with a grain of salt considering /co/
>>81459954
i wonder how much of that is the delays
>>81459954
reminder: Kyle's dick is toxic and he pulls chicks way above his level
>>81459954
>CamStew said on twitter that their Batgirl trades do very well, but who knows what that means
I remember vol 1 make Bookscan's top 20 last year, that seems pretty good
>Clint's not keeping it without Aja, it seems, tho
yeah it doesn't seem like Lemire's been doing that hot
>>81460005
>toxic
????
>>81459739
Ugh. Shut the fuck up, Kyle.
>>81460005
I like Kyle, but he's definitely "ex-boyfriend you are still amicable with but will never date again" material.
John's the marriage material.
Well, Architect John, anyway.
>>81459954
>Clint's not keeping it without Aja, it seems, tho
I honestly can't wait to see if Clint is straight up replaced by Kate.
Lemire's newest volume is selling like 25k, and Marvel basically said Kate is going to get a solo by next year.
>>81459987
Eh, I heard it from a FOF not on /co/ that there's a lot of disgruntlement lurking within the group, not least in that people feel very used by Leth (e.g., "take a pic of yourself at your shop with my book!" and not promoting anyone else's work that way)
>>81460032
Chicks Kyle dates end up dead.
>>81459928
Oh I got it, Harley Quinn. Harley was popular before, but never this popular. Her solo from the early 00s was never a top 20 book.
>>81460032
he ruins everyone it touches
I'm still holding out hope that Omega Men ends with Tigorr mauling Kyle to death
>>81460090
Omega Men Kyle is nice though.
>>81460085
>Chicks Kyle dates end up dead.
But WHY? I never understood why this kept happening after the stink they made when they offed Alex. Did they learn nothing? Did that one SCW special seriously need to exist in order for them to realize that?
>>81457847
A little late, but here you go.
>>81460107
I'm just thinking of the future
>>81460062
John comes across as kind of zombie-like now.
>>81460087
Yeah, Harley is also a merchandise juggernaut ala Deadpool
>>81460090
You guys and your memetastic Kyle hate are making me awful tempted to dump Kyle's run here in /co/.
>>81460142What makes you think Tigorr is going to survive?
>>81460085
i feel like that is more legit than someone coming into a leth hate thread and dropping secrets
>>81460087
hey bingo.
the only common thing i see between these is creative teams loving the book?
>>81459804
Like, trade wise?
No.
Batgirl and Gotham Academy do better than before and great respectively, but nowhere near their level.
For some reason, critically acclaimed books for DC sell like shit no matter what.
Hell, Midnighter's first month in trade sales was below 2k. And Omega Men probably won't do too much better unless it wins five billion Eisners.
>>81460138
they learned nothing
This special seems to like Donna a lot. Not complaining. Nice to see her not getting shat on for once.
>>81460140
TY bae
>>81460185
I've thought about running it so everyone can experience what Raab did, and Winick's funtimes
Also, it's mostly hate here for ruining Jade
>>81460194
also general complaints about how keeping the group a 'safe space' means people can't disagree
>>81460145
Not surprising, he's been like that for awhile now. Writers just refuse to give him personality.
Mmmm, now that I'm thinking about it... Of human lanterns... Baz and John I'd consider the top dating material, followed by Hal and Kyle, then Guy.
I love Guy, but I know I wouldn't be able to put up with Guy.
I would definitely fuck dirty with Baz in the back of a Fast and the Furious car though.
>>81459717
>>81459798
yeah I only saw "if you got mad at Thor you'll HATE this" but it didn't seem like they tried beyond that initial tease because everyone fucking knew it was him from the start based on the creative team
>>81460087
oh, that's probably it, nice catch anon
Harley's got what, two ongoings and a mini going on right now? plus a one shot coming out? AND a movie? Hell, she's ahead of Kamala by a long shot
>>81460266
yeah it's pretty big now right? probably hitting growing pains stages
>>81460185
It's not so much that I hate Kyle himselfalthough he is easy to poke fun atbut I fucking hate the kind of shit they do to other characters around him and it makes me not want to read him at all
>>81460290
>21 Harley Quinn 25 $3.99 DC 51,495
>31 Harleys Little Black Book 2 $4.99 DC 45,030
>59 Ms Marvel 4 $3.99 Marvel 30,916
>>81460341
it's not just growing pains, it's the kind of shit that kills communities, I recognize it well
>>81460290
>main ongoing
>bimonthly book
>mini
>had another mini before that mini
>multiple one shot specials
>basically the face of SS, along with Deadshot
How long until Harley Quinn Earth One?
>>81460266
It's not Kyle's fault Jade is a slut :^)
>>81460347
Throwing Kyle and Carol together as a relationship is just like the worst idea.
Plus, god, they'd be so much more fun as young energetic dipshit being semi-pals with overworked and overexperienced woman with too much shit to put up with?
>>81460380
yeah i was trying to phrase it like that kinda drama and such but had no idea how so went with Growing Pains
>>81460389
I'm personally looking forward to Realworlds Harley Quinn.
>>81460185
I dunno, anon. He is a bit of a bro-douche. Not like it's hard to dislike him.
>>81460140
Wow that is some amazing shit.
>>81460347
Yeah that's a pretty fair cop. Hal went nuts and died. Alan in the middle of a great big fuck off Crisis retired. Not sure what became of Guy and John. Think Arisia was murdered. And Hal happened to pretty much everyone else.
>>81460272
Anon, you're getting super lewd.
