/co/, how do you feel about Blizzard cinematics? Do they stand on their own or are they just big-budget product placements?
You definitely don't get as much if you don't play the game, but they're usually good enough to get people interested.
I think they're great, they should do a movie with that style instead of the weird live action/cg hybrid they've got going in the Warcraft movie.
They should do Starcraft and Warcraft movies, maybe some Overwatch too I guess, don't really care about that game but I'd pay money to watch something like WotLK cinematic but 2hrs long.
>>81433156
Overwatch just came out with 2 6 minute cinematics. The one starring Winston is GOAT, the Tracer one not so much.
Are all the cinematics peeps internal or is the talent outsourced to the animation industry?
>>81433035
They're pretty damn impressive, I'll give them that. Credit where credit is due and all.
But they also started a trend with game developers selling their game to rubes by using a trailer that pretty much could be nothing remotely like the game, which is not a particularly good legacy to have.
>>81433035
They have the audio down for all of them. All the sounds immerse me in the visual. Just my take away
>>81433223
To be fair, Blizzard never tries to sell you on the gameplay. Their cinematics are always based around themes and characters. You can have some general nods to the gameplay, like a Warlock casting Hellfire to kill a bunch of murlocs. It's not gonna look remotely as badass or fun as it does in the cinematic, but it gets the general idea across of the Warlock class.
The problem with most video game cinematics is that they're all flash and no substance. Gimmicky action sequences that, like you said, aim to sell games to rubes (lookin at you The Order: 1886)
>>81433035
>Blizzard makes what seem like some of the most impressive cinematics I've seen
>The World of Warcraft movie is going to be live-action with some basic CGI tossed in
I know they could do it if they really wanted to. It'd take forever to make, but it's doable
>>81433035
I just watched Starcraft 2's cinematics, and they work really well having not played a Starcraft game since Brood War.
>>81433624
I dunno, the recent TV spots have been looking pretty good. The CGI has notably improved.
So what cinematics are your favorites, /co/?
I remember playing the Wolverine movie game and the intro was pretty bloody and sets the tone for the main game's gameplay.
Assassin's Creed Revelations was pretty great. Shame their comics aren't getting that good publicity or good adaptations in their video games.
>>81433035
To be fair, a couple of minutes of animation are exponentially easier to polish than a featture length film.
Still quite an acomplishment.
>>81433759
Ezio was just a great character in general. His personal story could stand on its own as a compelling narrative.
>>81433798
His stories could've been done better. The biggest con in the games is that they never shed light on the main villains besides "They authorized these evil things, look at these short scenes where they give no shits about us poor people" whereas III, IV and Rogue were great in balancing the evils of both organizations.
>>81434076
The antagonists always left something to be desired, but Ezio as a character was always fun and interesting. He's has a great dynamic that works in a number of different scenarios, both light and heavy. He would definitely shine with against a good villain.
>>81433759
Did they even have the rights to Reynolds's face?
>>81433035
They give you a true sense of Azeroth, since the graphics were simplistic and the zones simple representations of the world.
Forgive the pun, but that specific cinematic is chilling.
>>81434076
I have to say, I was pretty impressed that they had Connor's father as a villain in III and they didn't double down on "muh father issues" with him.
>>81434164
It's super frustrating because Blizzard KNOWS how to strike at those emotional chords without being overbearing about it. Terenas' voice-over as a juxtaposition to the monster his son continues to be FANTASTIC cinematic storytelling.
Independent of their relationship with video games, yeah, Blizz cinematics are strong on their own.
>>81433759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cWnuxLbc34
Being a 40kfag when the game came out, the cinematic was basically how I imagined the gameplay should look like, and it fucking worked.
>>81434240
Forgot to clarify, it's frustrating because I want a solid full-length feature from them but the most we get are these six minute teases.
kek
>>81434253
To a non fan it looks like StarcraftxWarcraft.
>>81433759
I really like the trailers/Intros to the Souls games, especially how the first Dark Souls sets up its lore.
>>81434194
Well they had Desmond for daddy issues. Connor's flaw was them double-downing on him and his traumatic encounter with Charles Lee.
>>81434317
One could say warcraft ripped off of warhammer and 40k ripped off of starcraft eventually, but most of the similarities are superficial for the most part.
>>81434320
I heard Dark Souls had a clusterfuck of lore that they had a contest where a fan should make sense of the two games' stories.
>>81434320
The opening cinematics really are fantastic, aren't they? I still remember the first time I watched it, and being so hyped to fight the things I was seeing.
>>81434320
>One day you will stand before its decrepit gates, without really knowing why.
Shit talk DS2 all you want, but I loved its intro cinematic.
>>81434434
I loved the callback to that line when you reach Dragon's Aerie.I haven't finished DS2 yet, but so far I've enjoyed it, aside from some gameplay gripes. Really glad I didn't download Scholar of the First Sin though, everything I hear about it makes it sound like it fucks the game even harder.
>>81434481
>>81434434
>>81434377
>>81434320
So excited for Dark Souls 3. I got super far in DS1 but then my computer borked and I lost all motivation. Never got around to 2, and I didn't enjoy Bloodborne because I prefer a slow, tanky style of gameplay.
With a new computer, I'm more than ready to get my soul crushed.
>>81434518
I'm a consolefag, so I need to save up for a new one before I jump in.
Plus I should probably beat DS2, I'm pretty close to the end, I just need to clear the last few bosses.
>>81434611
I can explain the basic gist of bb's plot if you want.
>>81434616
I haven't played league in 3+ years and Warframe is 2 grindy for me, but I suppose if you just wanna fuck some shit up its not a bad game to play.
>>81434642
>buying a PS4 pretty much to play Bloodborne
Rule of thumb: Never buy a console unless it has 5+ exclusives you want for it.
>>81434306
Yeah, but they can't charge you $15 a month to watch their shit.
>>81434666
So far it's Bloodborne, Fallout 4, Styx: Master of shadows.My PC isn't good enough to run any of those, plus for Christmas an aunt of mine got me blu-ray copies of Mad Max and True Detective, but I don't have a Blu-Ray player
>>81434666
I usually plop down cash for a Playstation because of the sheer amount of JRPGs it gets.
My name is anon and I'm a weeb faggot.
>>81434666
my rule is to never by a console that's half a decade old. Imagine the guy buying a PS3 a day before the PS4's announcement, or the guy who bought a 3DS for a video game they didn't know was a new3DS exclusive.
>>81433182
>Are all the cinematics peeps internal
They used to be. Not sure if that's still the case.
>>81434642
nah, that would just make me want to buy a PS4 more, and my money's all dried up.
>>81434756
>Huge Golden Sun fan as a kid
>love RPGs with good party building
>can't find any really good Western RPGs that satisfy me
>can't bite the bullet and jump into weeb land
Suffering.
>>81434794
I believe they are.
>>81433182
Pretty sure Valve's doing their own animations from mocaps and their source film maker.
Ubisoft does a lot of mocap cinematics, even some of them to be a demo of a game like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg3F0SaPfp0
>>81433759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A
Probably those for swtor.
They have just all been absolutely stunning.
![resize[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cPARAlk.jpg "resize[1].jpg")
>>81434817
>good party building
Hello anon, don't be afraid. The weeb side has many excellent party building games.
>>81434792
Hadn't heard of Nier Automata until now. Looks dope as shit.
On the subject of cinematics, I love JRPG cinematics because they're usually very western in presentation. A lot more focus on characters and theme rather than flashy action.
>>81434844
Ah yes. Any Star Wars cinematic gave me excitement, especially before Disney bought up the rights and before EA's announcement to do a Battlefront sequel.
>>81433035
>big-budget product placements
You need to look up the definition of product placement OP.
I don't know but post more Widowmaker.
>>81434860
Nier is probably one of my favorite games, so the fact its getting a sequel made by a competent game design team is giving me a massive boner
>>81434853
It's weird. All the RPG's I played as a kid were JRPGs, but I never considered myself a JRPG fan. Where's a good place to start?
>>81434377
Yeah, pretty much. They leave a ton of it up to speculation, which can be fun to some people and dumb for others.
I really wanted to try making an animation for that contest though, just to motivate me to do something. Too bad I only found out about it after it ended.
>>81434853
Is it possible to be a weeb and still like Western shit?
I'M SO CONFLICTED
>>81434901
That's a somewhat hard question to answer. What are you looking for? how weeb you want it to be? What are some of the things you're looking for in a game?
>>81434925
You are allowed to like many things, anon. Nothing can stop you from that.
>>81434925
You can like whatever you want pham. Doesn't fucking matter. I like shit from everywhere.
>>81434377
The thing about Dark Souls lore is that it's very open ended. You have your basic script, then everything else is just hints and whispers.
It means that you can come up with some pretty interesting story ideas, but it also means that you get some really autistic theorycrafting.
>>81433035
Square Enix Visual Works is better.
Especially Advent Children and the trailer for Kingsglaive were pretty good.
They have been good with realistic human characters that don't look too realistic and averting the uncanny valley.
Only Pixar was a good match for them in realistic human character design as Inside Out has proven.
I wish Pixar and/or Square Enix will make a movie trilogy based on Final Fantasy VI.
>>81434889
I wonder if they've ever done a Mountain Dew placement on an HD cinematic trailer.
So here's a thought: what makes a good cinematic? Interesting and fun visuals, like Battlefront, or something that tries to tell a story? With such a limited amount of time, can you even effectively tell a story?
>>81434819
so many video game makers want to make movies instead of games
and here we have blizz's inhouse cinematic team, so good at making movies, but they only makes games.
>>81434929
Let's start on the low-end of weeb and work out way up.
As for what I'm looking for, something with a good story and characters would be nice. I mentioned I loved party building, so having multiple party member options would be cool.
And, if at all possible, not too grindy. That's what fucked me on the FFXII, I was constantly under-leveled.
>>81434953
Oh look it's BEST GIRL EVER.
>>81434998
I find the best games have a bit of both. Most have really elaborate cutscenes with cool action sequences, but then a lot of simpler cutscenes that drive the story more.
>>81433759
This is the scene that made me want to follow Venom into the gates of Hell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWK9rXtQk6Y
>>81435014
Tales sounds right up your alley then. The Tales series is pretty low-key in terms of what it demands of the player. It's more on the ARPG side in that the combat is, and I phrase this loosely, a beat-em up with magic and stats. Gameplay is fun and can get as deep as you want it to be.
As for the story and characters, you get your typical savior of the world bullshit but most of the Tales games do a nice job of subverting archetypes and tropes. It's pretty self-aware of the genre its in.
For a starting point, I recommend Tales of the Abyss on PS2 or 3DS, or Vesperia if you have a 360. I don't know how the PC port of Symphonia is doing, but if it's been fixed definitely check that out as well.
>>81435006
Shame their game department has gone down the poop chute
>>81434998
A good enough story that can be told in the time, and cinematic pacing/direction. You need to be snappy.
>>81435014
Alright. how about we start out with Digitial devl saga 1/2 on the PS2 (You can emulate it I imagine, or buy them on PS3 as classics). Post apocalyptic setting where a band of warriors gets infected by a virus that turns them into cannibalistic demons. You get to eat your enemies and use the shit you get from them to improve your characters, so you get to build them as you go. Not too grindy.
Ys: Oath of Felghana or Origins, on the PC. Action RPG's that are quite challenging, but oh so satisfying. Light on story, though.
Trails in the sky: On PC. Trilog of games (only 2 are out in the west though). If you like a lot of fucking story and character development, these games are right up your alley. The stories are more about local events than saving the world and shit.
Past that, the various Shin megami tensei games are potentially fun. Not as focused on characters/story, but you get to make your party through recruiting and combining demons.
>>81435087
Oh shit, I remember seeing Tales of Symphonia ages ago and thinking it looked cool. I was especially interested because of theWandering Skeleton Swordsman you can challenge. He seemed cool.
Do you have any recommendations for turn-based combat? I always liked that in Golden Sun, having to plan a couple turns in advance to stay alive.
>>81435023
You know it
>>81435074
it sucks how you only get to see one of the best scenes in the game if you're playing the game wrong.
>>81435241
It's like Dishonored. I wanted to get my awesome stand off with the guys that betrayed me, but to do so I have to teach my daughter figure to be a bloodthirsty tyrant.
It's upsetting.
>>81433223
>selling their game to rubes by using a trailer that pretty much could be nothing remotely like the game
That's been around forever. It's just a continuation of box cover art promising a lot more than the machines could ever deliver. (40-mumble anon who used to own a 48K ZX Spectrum back in the 80s)
The specs on the recent Legion cinematic were fucking insane: 20 hours to render a frame, etc. Must be all those gnomes hidden in the backgrounds.
>>81435143
If you want a traditional RPG, go with the recommendation by >>81435134 and check out Trails in the Sky. They're pretty above average in the JRPG community, but as a way to get into the genre it's a good start.
Are you willing to explore things beyond traditional turn-based JRPG format? What I mean is, not having a party where you go down the list and choose each person's action, have the enemy go, and rinse and repeat. If you're open to exploring, check out Valkyria Chronicles or Fire Emblem. They're more on the strategic side of JRPGs. Valkyria Chronicles is on Steam and regularly goes on sale. Boiling it down to its very basics, you control an army and move each of the individual units around a map to fight the enemy in a 3D plane. Each turn you get to choose who you want to move then move and act per character. Incredibly weeb story and cast, but fun nonetheless.
>>81434979
Warlords of Draenor maybe.
>>81435301
Damn that's some slimy ass blood. What kind of shit has Mannoroth been eating?
>>81435294
>>81435134
>>81435087
Thanks for the advice anons, I'll check this stuff out.
>>81433759
>So what cinematics are your favorites, /co/?
These aren't really cinematics, but I like it when they mix 2D and 3D/cel-shaded animation. Letting effects that work better in one medium blend into the other. Catchy music also helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-ln5SVy9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtuEF_PIuR0
Anything else like these two?
>>81435241
It sucks how unfinished the game is. That's not a meme, you can see where Kojima intended it to go and why he didn't want to release it yet.
I just wish they would release the audio files of Kiefer Sutherland, since he recorded a ton of dialogue just to have it cut at the last minute.
>>81435437
Holy shit that animation is stylish as FUCK.
That said, it felt a little choppy with the 2D, but that might be the way my video buffered.
>>81435437
Shame dota does less cinematics than its other competitors.
Then again it only took us years to get an actual Team Fortress 2 episode, two years after Meet The Pyro. Valve's lazy with making trailers.
>>81433035
Blizzard really pioneered what modern cutscenes are in video games. I would love to see them do an in house feature animation or get whoever they usually get to make one. Their worlds are really ripe for movies to be made of them
>>81435921
> dota does less cinematics
Less? Do they have any? Did I miss something?
It will take thousands of years to make videos for every dota hero.
>>81433035
These ones are almost 20 years old. Still look great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7A19TPN_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcr594QVzkc
>>81436204
>just started playing Warcraft 3 for the first time this week
Man these cinematics are incredible. I cant wait to see the rest after I get further on
>>81436116
Quite a few, some unknown to others.
Gamescom - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cSFPIwMEq4
Year Beast/Wyvern Teaser - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ZsbW4W2zk
Reborn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kqap9-NWD8
Manila Majors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lRZ4Z6o-6U
The International - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06qGbkLVDs
Most of the lore's on their comics anyway.
>>81436248
Just refinished it too. Damn shame the sequel is an MMO
>>81436248
It's mental how well they hold up. Fucking 2001 and they still look half-decent.
Shit. Warcraft 3 still has a competitive scene in China. It got an actual fucking PATCH just last week. My dad picked this thing up in 2002 and there's still life in it. Blows my fucking mind.
>>81436260
Thanks. I thought they made a few "Meet the..." series for dota.
The Cata cinematic was almost as good as WOTLK's. Shame the actual game took a hard nose dive at that point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq4Y7ztznKc
>>81436311
Warcraft 3 is probably one of the best made games of all time. I dont even really care about RTS' but jesus it is a great game
>>81435921
Those TF2 cinematics are quite cleverly written and directed, and well-paced to boot. If they need that much time to get that quality I can't really fault them.
>>81436481
Comics are practically biyearly too. When it comes to cinematics, they don't want to pay for the voice actors in their update trailers
I cannot imagine how human can fight an orc in hand to hand combat. It's the same as fighting Hulk. I bet even female orcs can hold back a few human male warriors.
>>81436350
Death Wing coulda been such an awesome villain. Wasted potential.
>>81436767
Skill. Most orcs are very savage and sloppy in fights from everything Ive seen. Also they have thick armor and sharp swords.
>>81436917
>>81436767
The humans were initially steamrolled by the orcs because of sheer number and brutality. The tide turned when they fought back with magic, which the orcs lacked. Humans relied heavily on wizards and the power of the Holy Light to give them the upper hand. In fact, the orc menace was the impetus for the Knights of the Silver Hand as well as the Kirin Tor, organizations of paladins and magi, respectively.
Don't mind me, just being a lore faggot.
>>81436958
No problem with that the lore in warcraft is really good and I'd love to get into it more. Any book recommendations or comics or anything?
>>81436958
Orcs had Warlocks / Necrolytes however, something the Humans did not have.
Kirin'tor existed waaaay before the Dark Portal; It is the ruling government of Dalaran, after all.
I'm sorry, you aren't that much of a lore faggot.
>>81436767
It's simple you see, Humans are direct descendants of 15 foot tall iron vikings and have enough bulk to bench press a moose.
>Discussing WoW races with a friend while bored
>Realize that Blood Elf men are actually pretty jacked, it's just that literally everything else is at ridiculously fuckhuge tier so they look like skinny bitches
So what races are there in this movie?
And what's the difference between green and brown orcs and why are they fighting?
>>81436998
Fair enough on the Kirin Tor, misremembered facts. That said, the Warlocks didn't do jack shit aside from opening the portal. The Shadow Council was mostly a behind-the-scenes entity.
>>81436958
Kirin Tor existed before the orc threat. They were formed when the high elves shared arcane knowledge with the humans. Orcs also had magic in the form of warlocks, ogre-mages, and death knights(not to be confused with the Arthas death knights which were more like fallen paladins).
>>81437017
This. Humans in Warcraft are built big, just not as big as the orcs.
>>81437042
VERY condensed summary of events
>Dwarves, Elves, Humans, Trolls, Orcs, Gnomes, Tauren
>Green orcs are orcs corrupted by demon voodoo magic juju that turned them into bloodthirsty murder machines
>Brown orcs are the ones that forsook that option and remained untainted
>Orcs are fighting humans because their homeworld (yes, world) went to shit, so they're conquering human territory to survive
>>81436983
Most of the Warcraft books are good. Day of the Dragon is a pretty easy read and entry into the universe. It portrays important events and does a decent job of getting you up to speed on recent history and politics.
The best way, really, is to play WC3. The game still holds up to this day and has a fantastic story.
>>81437087
Oh, so they come from a different dimension, or what?
Could you like give a brief summary of every race, noteworthy attributes, skills, etc?
>>81437064
I disagree, remember the Daemon unit summoned units from Warcraft 1? They most assuredly did their fair share, especially the Necrolytes.
>>81437122
You're lucky Warcraft is one of my favorite fictional universes, so I will absolutely LOVE to tell you more about the world.
Dwarves
>Sturdy and strong
>Many different tribes/subraces, including your typical smithy mountain dwarves as well as shamanistic forest dwarves
>Deeply entrenched in the history of creation
Elves
>Wise and ancient
>ALSO has many different subraces and branches
>One of the oldest races
>Naturally attuned to magic and nature
Humans
>They're humans
>Different kingdoms. Many have fallen and only the city-state of Stormwind remains as the last big human power
>Incredibly versatile
Trolls
>Another ancient race
>Also with many subraces
>Generally lithe and stalkery
>Once possessed an empire that spanned continents
>Modern orcs and trolls are considered very close allies
Orcs
>Big, brutish, generally either bloodthirsty or noble; can be both at times
>From another planet and teleported to the human world so their race could survive
>Magic users are either Shaman (nature wizards) or Warlocks (corrupted shaman)
Gnomes
>Tiny race that is big on engineering
>Steampunk
>Smart and crafty
>Run out of their home of Gnomeregan after gnome-zambie plague
>Now residing with in mountain Dwarf city of Ironforge while they try to retake their home
Tauren
>Cow people; big, strong, wise. Native American stereotype.
>Were on the bring of annihilation by centaurs until saved by orcs/trolls
>Now part of the Horde and allied with orcs and trolls
>Also consist of different factions
>Heavily in tune with nature. Considered the Horde equivalent of Night Elves.
The Warcraft universe is massive and complex. If you want to learn more, look into the books or play WC3.
>>81437130
Events of WC1 and 2 are generally retconned, as Blizzard hadn't really planned a cohesive story. They made a game first and foremost. It was when WC3 rolled around that they more or less finalized their decisions for the universe. In the books since, orc combat has pretty much only been carried out by foot soldiers.
I always liked them, the original cinematic and the BC one's still hit me hard with nostalgia.
>>81437277
Remember, Lothar was going to parley under a banner of truce and Doomhammer ambushed him with a squad of the Horde's best warriors. He wasn't killed in personal combat.
Wake up sheeped people!
>>81437122
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main
This is also a good place to look. Type in just about anything and you should find some lore to read up on.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuHWWC9xxmk
When is the dawn of full CGI movies coming? Fuck live action.
