Let's talk about the perceived criticism that Luthor has no motivation in this film.
The very first thing Superman does in this movie is interrupt Luthor's proxy war with the CIA by deposing of the African Warlord. Now this alone should earn Luthor's ire. As evidence by the Jar of Piss scene, Luthor is an extremely petty and vindictive man, almost to the point of being comical.
This ALONE should sell his hatred for Superman. We are directly given evidence that Luthor will go to any length to kill anyone who stands in his way, in addition to humiliating them and crushing what they stand for.
But, that's not all. In the scene where Luthor hosts a charity ball for the library, in his speech he professes deep admiration for Prometheus in his speech. This alone colors his actions, showing disdain for God figures (Which the film beats you over the head with, multiple times), and hinting at a desire to steal their power and harness it for man. This eventually bears fruit when he creates Doomsday, a half-breed God in his own right.
Later, Luthor professes that his nihilism comes from the fact that "no heroes came to save him" during his childhood when he was serially abused by his father. This nihilism ties in handily when it's later revealed that Luthor has acted as a herald for Darkseid, seeking to level the playing field by getting rid of Superman and preparing for his eventual invasion. While this is made explicit by the deleted Communion scene, it is heavily implied that he's learned of Darkseid's existence from probing the scouting ship's massive data banks and the conclusion scene when he reveals that Darkseid is coming. This works for two reasons, it brings the Prometheus themes to it's logical conclusion, playing with fire and the hunt for forbidden knowledge, and it sets up the logical conclusion for Luthor's nihilism, acting as a herald for the personification of nihilism itself.
So if you hated Luthor, that's cool. His take was different, and he's an autistic little fucker to be certain, but the movie establishes multiple motivations for him and he comes off to me as far more well rounded then someone like Bane or Ronan.
People don't complain about his motivation as much as they do about his plan, which actually didn't make sense and relied far too much on coincidences.
>>81310109
>People don't complain about his motivation
I've heard dozens of complaints that he has no motivation in the film outside of the child abuse thing.
>>81310133
how can someone get this as child abuse instead of making a point?
>>81310133
I've heard people also latch onto his line about his father's childhood.
Having to cheer for tyrants, citing that he sees Superman as one, or potentially one.
Which is only half of it.
Later on noting that "[Superman] bends to my will"
It's not that he wants to solely get rid of the tyrant, but supplant them entirely.
A plan that fails because he contacts Apokolips.
>>81310133
The entire movie is literally both Batman and Luthor being mad at God for things that happened to them in their childhood and trying to get even through beating on Superman
>>81310223
Batman and Luthor as two sides of the same coin is one of the smarter things the movie does, honestly.
Luthor has no motivation if you don't actually listen to a single word he says.
I'm not surprised really, a huge swath of people seem to be under the impression that Batman has been stone cold icing people his entire career instead of just recently due to his paranoia over Superman.
>>81310109
>which actually didn't make sense and relied far too much on coincidences.
Luthor's plan is intricate and laborious to be certain, but the idea that it relied on too many coincidences only works if you think his plan had no contingencies whatsoever, for whatever reason.
Doomsday itself was a contingency.
>>81310062
>Later, Luthor professes that his nihilism comes from the fact that "no heroes came to save him" during his childhood when he was serially abused by his father. This nihilism ties in handily when it's later revealed that Luthor has acted as a herald for Darkseid, seeking to level the playing field by getting rid of Superman and preparing for his eventual invasion. While this is made explicit by the deleted Communion scene, it is heavily implied that he's learned of Darkseid's existence from probing the scouting ship's massive data banks and the conclusion scene when he reveals that Darkseid is coming. This works for two reasons, it brings the Prometheus themes to it's logical conclusion, playing with fire and the hunt for forbidden knowledge, and it sets up the logical conclusion for Luthor's nihilism, acting as a herald for the personification of nihilism itself.
10/10 post anon, great stuff, I'm using this from now on
>>81310242
übermensch fighting god and the whole Frankenstein/prometheus thing were great, fucking pleb.
>>81310205
And this is pretty much Luthor's train of thought in the comics too.
For all his talk about how he wants humanity to achieve more without having to rely on Superman, he's really just salty about him getting in the way of his goal of ruling humanity himself.
>>81310223
That's actually not a bad summary, I hadn't thought of that connection before.
>>81310406
this, alfred literally talks about it for 2 minutes 'the fever, the rage, that turns good men cruel'
this film is so deep on so many levels, but I guess it needed more ebin one-liners and quips, fucking plebs man
>>81310223
and then he literally dies because of their sins
>>81310534
What was he hoping to do with doomsday though? Did he think he could control it? Was he expecting Superman to be able to kill it, or for it to kill Superman and then run amok? Was he just so insanely mad a Supes' existence that jeopardizing the world by creating a worse god-like entity to kill the first one seemed like a good decision?
>>81310986
>this film is so deep on so many levels
Let's be honest with ourselves, there are some big glaring flaws with this movie (the editing, Superman being too passive and silent, lack of context or establishment for some scenes in continuity or sequence, to name the biggest ones I had)
But I think it's still getting unfairly shit on for things like "LEX HAD NO MOTIVATION", and I'm happy more people are putting some thought into piecing together those aspects of it that do succeed very well.
>>81310962
Exactly, which is something that I don't quite get with people who say that he's a wildly different take.
He's more manic, more neurotic, but here's the core of Lex there.
>>81311029
he gave no shits, if doomsday killed superman than it would have been great for lex since supes would have failed and if the world had to pay that price so be it
superman actually saves lex from doomsday, doomsday tries to punch lex but supes goes in and stops his hand, nice touch
>>81310986
>this film is so deep on so many levels
tell me how it actually explored any one of its themes. How is it deep.
Oh sidenote...deep isn't mentioning shit that sounds deep. you actually have to dive down into it.
>>81311064
Luthor has a number of contingency plans in this movie to ensure that things go his way in case of random accident, but he never seems to account for the possibility that someone will ACTUALLY catch on to his schemes and go after him.
He relied on Bruce wanting to partner with Lexcorp and didn't have the security in place to prevent Batman from jacking the Kryptonite for himself.
His mercenaries were fitting out with secret Black Ops tech that was pretty easily traced back to him, the only thing saving his ass there was that Swann wasn't going to risk himself by going public.
And instead of being able to win over the Senator when she suspected his real motives, he just kills her. Which still works for his advantage, but someone with some snooping could probably piece that together as well when they remember who sponsored the guy and gave him the wheelchair in the first place.
Luthor just escalates a lot of conflicts into violent conclusions and then doesn't seem to recognize, or more like care, about the consequences as a result.
>>81310027
>disdain for Gods
>loves Prometheus, the titan that gave humanity everything
>throws in with Darkseid, a fucking god
>creates Doomsday because
>stands right next to the obscenely powerful rage monster because
>everything traced back to a rough childhood
Yeah, why try at all when you can just say he's mean and he was abused. That's right up there with "he's just crazy" in terms of depth.
Lex luthors father was abusive.
Ergo lex now hates beings powerful as gods. He is willing to commune with fucking Darkseid alerting him to the presence of earth and possibly sealing earths doom. He then devices a plan to kill Superman while unleashing an uncontrollable monster which he all of supermans power if not more on earth with absolutely no way to stop it. He also has absolutely no way of doing all this while preventing himself from being caught and imprisoned for it.
How is this a character that makes any fucking sense. What is his endgame...superman dies and doomsday destroys the world? Seriously what is his brilliant endgame?
>>81311125
>tell me how it actually explored any one of its themes.
The strongest recurring theme is the idea that people tend to project their own fears and insecurities onto their heroes or figures of authority. It's in how Luthor views both the concept of God and how he treats Superman. It's at the heart of the conflict between Superman and Batman. It's why Superman still feels alienated from the world despite his continued actions for the best of them. It's how the movie is eventually resolved, when the general populace and Batman come to see Supes as just a guy who wants the best for others and is willing to lay down his life for that.
It's ALSO what eventually drives Lex over into insanity when he finds out there IS an all-powerful being out there who is outside of human concepts of morality, power or authority.
>>81310027
>Luthor's proxy war with the CIA
His what? Where are you even getting this? Because Lexcorp PMCs were backing the warlord? And then for no reason at all they murder everyone and leave?
The address this directly in the film. The PMCs were there to kill everyone so that they could pin an international incident on Superman.
>>81311186
>He relied on Bruce wanting to partner with Lexcorp and didn't have the security in place to prevent Batman from jacking the Kryptonite for himself.
I thought he intentionally set it up for Bruce to nab it. He's even got a little smirk when he sees batman took it. He wanted him to take it so he actually had a chance at killing Superman.
I didn't get the mercenary bit at all so I don't know what he planned with that shit.
>>81310205
also the last time Lex didn't have complete power over every single person he met was his abusive father, he just destroys, kills and humiliates everyone he meets who he doesn't like or who goes against him, he can't do that to superman, so he becomes neurotic and his anxiety kicks in, he's willing to do anything just to take out superman
this cocoon lex built around him can't protect him from superman
also he may be trying to justify himself being a massive cunt and just like his cunt father by things like 'power corrupts, got is either all powerfull or allgood, he can't be both' and yet superman is both, lex could have been a solid lad when he got rich and powerful but he's just a mirror image of his dick father, even worse
>>81310027
Am I the only one that loved the satanic/pagan imagery that rang through out with Luthor? He talks of Gods, demons, and man and basically does a crazy blood ritual to summon/create a monster/space demon.
Also the Communication scene you are talking about that they left out I loved. I see why they left it out, that was good call but it was interesting to see the alien general stephenwolf he was talking to looked like a devil. Reminds me heavily of "Childhood's End" a great sci fi novel that depict the aliens as looking exactly like the way we imagine a devil in western society.
>>81311199
It's horrid characterization, but it describes the average atheist quite accutarely.
I'm torn between hating being given too many details (Marvel) and hating being given too few (DC)
>>81311237
>What is his endgame.
Either Superman is forced to kill Batman and discredits himself to the world, Batman kills Superman, or Doomsday kills Superman.
Either way he counted on the concept of a "superhero" to be killed in its infancy. He didn't count on people rallying around Superman's ideals and image after he died. He didn't plan on Superman becoming a martyr in the process.
>>81311199
>>81311237
>implying he knew about Darkseid before the ending
>>81311199
I think he thought Doomsday would not harm him, what with that blood of my blood shit. I have no idea what made him think that adding his blood would have that effect though. Maybe it was in a deleted scene.
>>81310109
The only thing about his plan that didn't make sense was that somehow Lex knew about Bruce/Bats the whole time, and was using the cripple to manipulate bruce for months. Maybe that can just be explained by Bruce not caring enough to actively check up on him, but it felt extraneous.
The rest of his plan made sense in a Lex Luther super villain logic kinda way, unless you know literally fucking nothing about lex, and expect deep, well thought out characters from a cape movie.
>>81311352
nice catch, even the last scene where batman goes to see him is like something from a horror film, the flickering red lights, batman as the demon
>>81311371
A lot of people seem to think that he discovered Apokalips earlier on in the movie, which makes no sense considering his speech to Superman on top of the tower about "now God kneels before Man"
>>81311418
And his attitude in general.
He thinks he's top shit, which he doesn't at the end anymore
>Movie only makes sense when you include all of the footage cut during editing for the theatrical release
This isn't just a flaw, it's a fundamental defect of the movie.
>>81310027
>The very first thing Superman does in this movie is interrupt Luthor's proxy war with the CIA by deposing of the African Warlord.
But the whole point of that was that Luthor was counting on Superman intervening so that he'd be blamed for inflaming conflicts in the region. Stopped reading right there.
>>81311366
Okay so he planned on just letting an unkillable monster superman run amok through the world and waiting for it to inevitably cross his path while he sits in prison because he took no precautions to prevent this?
>>81311441
Oh yeah and as much as I enjoyed the theatrical release, it stings knowing that with a more competent editing job, it would've been a hell of a lot better.
>>81311441
If there is any truth to that greentext, that's the most retarded thing they coulda done. They shoulda cut the 5 fucking minute justice leage commercial out of the movie instead, and made that a post credit scene, or DVD extra.
>>81311441
>
>Movie only makes sense when you include all of the footage cut during editing for the theatrical release
This isn't true. Luthor knows of Darkseid at the end of the movie. Earlier in the movie he goes through the Kryptonian scout ships enormous archives. You can easily piece it together without that scene.
>>81311470
Not the OP, but I don't recall Luthor ever saying that he intended for that to happen, just that he took advantage of the situation.
I could be wrong though.
>>81311416
Ya I like that. I want more shit like that. I loved this fucking mess of a movie
I want more
>>81311541
If you know who and what Darkseid is. If you don't, you have no idea what Lex is babbling about. Same thing with the parademon dream sequence with the apokalips furnaces and the Flash time portal/boom tube thing. They all make no sense to the uninitiated.
>>81311541
You and I, people who know about how the DCU functions from the comics, know exactly what Lex is talking about when he talks about evil gods among the stars, and what Batman was seeing in his Knightmare vision, or what was going on when Flash pops out of the Speedforce.
But most viewers didn't even know that was Flash, don't know what parademons are or what that big Omega symbol and firepits mean , and think Lex's speech is just vague foreshadowing that contradicts his earlier characterization.
Some posters have overdone it by claiming that this is a movie for "TRUE FANS" of DC comics, but it's definitely true that people who already know about and care about the DCU have an easier job following the movie and accepting some of its leaps of logic, rather than people who are new or unfamiliar with it.
>>81311484
I'm sure he has a few smaller kryptonite weapons somewhere in his lab. After all, he did have smaller fragments and pievces that didn't come from the massive nugget.
>>81311638
>>81311638
Same here. I'm actually kind of excited for Justice League now.
And fuck the haters, I LOVE the idea of Batman being the one to track down and recruit the other League members.
>>81311643
good, I want more comic book films to be like that, fuck the normies, let them be confused
>>81311603
He doesn't need to say it, you get the obvious impression he's playing everybody. There's no reason for Lex to be involved with that scene unless it was part of his master plan.
>>81310027
lol looks like idubbbs
>>81311484
as I said before, the world is a small price to pay if superman is humiliated in front of the masses, lex is willing to risk humanity just so superman could fail
can't get any more lex luthor than that
>>81311680
>fuck the normies, let them be confused
It makes it tough for me to recommend it for other people though
>yeah this movie was fucking awesome, but you should probably read these dozen comics first to get some of the references
For as much as some people bitch about the MCU, it's nice to get an isolated, coherent study of Marvel characters that fit in two hours that people can treat as a movie without worrying about background comic knowledge. It's why I fucking love MCU Cap.
This movie has a steeper point of entry.
>>81311484
I believe the point was that he was so nihilistic that he simply didn't care. He wants to destroy the world if it means Superman dies.
>>81311722
CHECKED
>>81311378
Lex Luthor created Doomsday. His blood courses through it. It's his child in a way.
By creating Doomsday with his DNA, Lex can honestly say that HE was the one to kill Superman. Or he can say his son was. It makes the victory more personal for Lex.
>>81311680
Yeah, comic books movies that have fuck all but the most superficial resemblances to the comic books. I love shitty rehashes of decades old stories with film student tier symbolism in them. That's just what you want to sell to longtime fans: a jumbled mess but the occasional pretty visual that will keep them from thinking about the movie on its own merits. Screw normies.
>>81311745
>It makes it tough for me to recommend it for other people though
I've been recommending it by telling people "If you don't expect the movie to be good, you won't be disapointed. It's enjoyable despite it's many faults"
>>81311745
MCU is basically like Arrow or Flash or any TV show, basic shit, easy entry, you don't even have to watch the previous films just jump on
BvS is literally a shitshow, it's like an actual comic, like it was a Grant Morrison book, and you're starting at comic 5 out of 12, you don't know what the fuck is going or from what year this obscure character is or what the fuck are these assholes talking about, honestly that's why I love this film so much, it's fucking refreshing and new
>>81311807
>I've been recommending it by telling people "If you don't expect the movie to be good, you won't be disapointed.
You can't make this shit up!
>>81311739
Lex Luthor typically wants to be the hero in place of Supes. His plans are usually made with a way to make himself look good once Superman fails.
>>81311761
That still doesn't explain what the fuck he expected doomsday to actually do. He wanted to use it to kill Superman, right. Did he have a failsafe to off it if it wouldn't do what he wanted? If it tried to kill him/run amok? Was he expecting it to attack him too? Was this a suicide attempt?
The issue with Lex's 'deep' portrayal is that
A) We know who Lex is and a lot of that underlying resentment is obvious to us as comic book readers.
B) The film does a piss poor job characterizing Luthor or letting us know that he's got God problems. All we hear is a sentence or two about daddy issues.
>>81311807
I went in expecting a bad movie. I got a worse one. That's a fucking accomplishment.
>>81311872
how would it make him if he stopped doomsday after superman couldn't? I imagine he had all sorts of weapons in his lab (ones with green minerals in them)
>>81311840
>it's fucking refreshing and new
>a piece of shit comic book movie is new
You should get out more.
>>81310027
>The very first thing Superman does in this movie is interrupt Luthor's proxy war with the CIA by deposing of the African Warlord.
Except he reveals it was a ploy to fuck with Superman public opinion.
>>81310027
It's very, VERY clear to anyone who knows the story that Darkseid is coming, and Lex Luthor knows this and is trying to prepare.
>>81311872
>His plans are usually made with a way to make himself look good once Superman fails.
Usually.
Then we have the "Rain of the Supermen" from 52 or Action Comics: The Black Ring
>>81311872
Hey, he could be the one to say he destroyed the world. How many people can make such a claim. It's hard to say what he learned from 10000 planets.
>>81311906
you should stick to marvel movies then
>>81311942
It's VERY clear that he doesn't know until the END
>Luthor decides to fake his own death by piloting a prototype jet on a proposed trip around the world and crashing it in the Andes; this is merely a cover for the removal of his brain from his cancer-ridden body and the growth of a cloned body around it, whereupon he passes himself off as his hitherto unknown, illegitimate 21-year-old son and heir, Lex Luthor II. His deception is benefited by a vibrant new body with a beard and full head of red hair, as well as assuming an Australian accent as part of his fake backstory.
>>81311942
>It's very, VERY clear
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahah
>>81311352
I think it made sense for Luthor, but I got really sick of the heavy ham-handed "Superman is God/Jesus" bullshit very early on. It was incredibly forced and lacked any subtlety, and Superman didn't bother to dispel any of it. Superman is supposed to be a character who exhibits the best traits of Humanity even though he isnt' human, but Snyder's Supes is about as alien as you can get. He reminds me a lot of Dr. Manhattan in how cold and distant he is.
>>81311029
Either.
Superman is all powerful but not good. In this scenario he kills bats, ruins his reputation, but must then be powerful enough to kill doomsday.
Or he is all good, but not powerful. Thus he doesn't kill bats but will die to doomsday.
Either way the 'good god' image will be stripped away. The second scenario played out, meaning superman is all good, but not all powerful.
>>81310986
If anything, I thought it was fairly simple and straightforward.
>>81312008
>movies should be clearly explained to me bawwww
>what is this bullshit about symbolism who needs this bawwwww
>act if I'm retarded and I don't know anything just spell it out for me abloo blooo
>where are the quips tho?
the le good guys get tricked and evil is actually competent? le what the fugg is this shit, I don't want to think in my comic book movies
>>81312057
>heavy ham-handed "Superman is God/Jesus" bullshit very early on
Even though the movie makes a point of saying that people who can ONLY see him as a divine figure are wrong?
It's not until Batman sees him as a human being with a mother and a girlfriend who care about him that he changes his mind. It's Lex's inability to see Superman as something other than a Messiah figure that he projects his own hang-ups on that drives him to want to destroy Supes.
>>81312095
trolled you bro lol
Explain me something: Superman has super-senses. It is established he has X-Ray vision, super-hearing and telescopic vision. He also can fly at supersonic speeds.
If Lex Luthor gives him an hour to fight Batman before his mother is murdered, and explicity states that he has no way of contacting his men, and that rather they would contact him to confirm Martha was dead should Superman fail, wouldn't it be far easier it Superman had just knocked down Luthor and used the one hour he had left to case the city for Martha rather than lose time in a fistfight with Batman?
He heard Lois was in danger and got from the Arctic to Metropolis in a span of seconds to save her.
>>81311643
>>81311646
You don't need to know WHO Luthor is talking is speaking of to know that he's referring to a demonic evil. This is made extremely apparent in his speech and by the flipped painting. Come on, give people a little credit.
>>81311300
>The address this directly in the film. The PMCs were there to kill everyone so that they could pin an international incident on Superman.
This is correct. Luthor knew that the senate feared Superman getting involved in an international incident so he created one.
It stems directly from the cannon prequel comics where it is shown Luthor is spying on the senate and learns this information.
/co/ read the prequel comics, right?
>>81311970
Is this it? Is this your come back?
I wanted so bad to enjoy DC cinematic universe. Hell even this shitty movie tried to move into the more dramatic and dense interpretations of the characters. Instead I got visual adaptations of Dark Knight Returns, Death of Superman, a little bit of Justice League from the nu-52 and even some Flashpoint shit.
But without the strong characterization, dialogue and plots from said works.
DKR had great motivation for it's Superman/Batman conflit, in this movie they evoke that scene but fuck it up by either copying straight up the dialogue without the context or giving some utter shit of conversation between the characters.
I am a fuck huge DC fan and see Warner go through the trouble of copying the over the top visuals of the comic books but doing a total shit turd of plot and dialogue really bothered me.
Every fucking frame of that battle was a reminder: "You could be home RIGHT THE FUCK NOW and re-read DKR in less than 2:40 hours".
>>81312137
Luthor said that if he flew off in any other direction, he'd have his Mom murdered immediately. He has absolutely no idea where Luthor has her, how he plans to kill her, or what could tip him off to him not following his plan.
Superman is not about to risk anything to get his Mom killed.
>>81311361
>and hating being given too few (DC)
Personally I'd rather not be spoon fed and I had some 'oh cool' moments in the movies when things clicked.
>>81312175
I actually did, and in there Luthor was a much better written character.
>>81312177
Anon, he's clearly fucking with you.
What was the point of the "White Portuguese" subplot? Batman somehow finds out a ship is coming to Metropolis with an anti-Superman weapon, lies to Alfred about it being a terrorist trying to smuggle a nuke into Gotham, then busts some drug traffickers that Luthor had armed with his easily traceable military-grade weaponry, finds out KGBeast is involved, gets Luthor's data and becomes completely sidetracked from his "Luthor is arming criminals" concerns for brood over Superman.
>>81311415
>The only thing about his plan that didn't make sense was that somehow Lex knew about Bruce/Bats the whole time
Prequel comics showed that Lex has been spying on bats for months.
>>81312199
Which is why he explicitly flew off with the intention of teaming up with Batman and not killing him according to Luthor's directive.
What was Luthor going to do with Doomsday once he killed Superman?
Cool movie, cunts.
>>81312157
>to know that he's referring to a demonic evil.
And why would an alien spaceship grant him any knowledge about demonic evils? For all a casual knows Lex is just raving about more kryptonians lke Zod coming, and that they're for some reason mad Superman is dead. They don't know about all that new gods and parademons shit.
>>81312268
And then they fought for twenty minutes because the movie's called Batman v. Superman.
>>81312177
what comeback dipshit, stick to marvel movies if you don't like this one, it wasn't an insult, no need to write a fucking wall of text lmao no one is reading that
>>81312137
>and explicity states that he has no way of contacting his men
What he explicitly said was that he didn't know where they were keeping Martha, he never said he couldn't contact his men. Also, I'm sure there are plenty of shitholes around Gotham with half an inch of lead paint they could use to hide.
>>81312268
Luthor's directive was that if he didn't fly to Gotham, he'd kill his Mom. Superman flew to Gotham, out of Luthor's direct purview to talk some sense into Batman and get him to help.
Obviously they could've written it more gracefully, but acting like there's literally no logic in Superman's action in conjunction with Luthor's demands stupid.
>>81312057
I see him as distant because he's struggling to maintain his ideals with so much doubt about his motives and the realization that political matters are much more complicated than simple intervention.
>>81312307
So knock him out at superspeed.
And lead doesn't nullify his super-hearing. He heard Zod choking his mom from miles away, he can't hear her heartbeat or breathing?
>>81312244
supes goes in says nigga stop or I'll stop you, if he went out against criminals again supes would rek his tight ass, so he gets suited up and brings his new toys to take superman out
>>81312288
1) he wants superman humiliated and dead, no matter the cost, if the world burns so be it, at least lex did what lex does
2) maybe, just maybe he had some weapons back in his lab?
cunt? mate? mate cunt?
>>81312137
"Go anywhere but to the bat signal, she dies"
Supes couldn't even look in the wrong direction.
>>81312499
He could just take Luthor hostage.
He's a fucking 15-year-old trying to act like a Bond villain. Fuck this movie.
>>81312598
Luthor would love nothing more
IMO
Batman training sequence and Batman vs KGBeasts Crew > Entire MCU movie catalog
>>81311739
No, you can't get LESS Lex Luthor than that.
Lex Luthor hates Superman because he thinks he's usurped Luthor's rightful place as the shining hope of humanity. He thinks that if Superman wasn't around, Lex Luthor would rule the world and usher in a worldwide utopian golden age, but instead he's forced to pit himself against this false alien god who the simple sheep of the world foolishly idolise.
Lex Luthor sees himself as the true hero, the real, human Superman. He believes that he's the one who's really saving the world. The jibbering fucking clown in BvS who unleashes a nigh-unstoppable monster upon the earth because he has daddy issues in no way resembles Lex Luthor.
>>81312598
Then Luthor wins. He wants to show superman isn't all good, or isn't all powerful.
>>81312651
he's just a sad little boy crying about his abusive daddy, honestly it'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
>>81312665
>Batfags
>>81312653
>>81312682
I said take hostage, not kill the guy. Just grab him, disarm him, and either strand him somewhere or tote him around while he searches the city. Hell, he could've brought him to batman and explained how he was playing them both.
>>81312665
>Batman training sequence
Funny you should mention, that was the single most juvenile power fantasy thing I've seen in two decades of cape cinema.
>>81312751
Dont act like you didnt get hype, son
>>81310027
no character development. he is just crazy like nolan's joker.
>gets his head shaved in prison for no reason
>>81312746
>>81312291
>And why would an alien spaceship grant him any knowledge about demonic evils?
Because that scene serves literally no other purpose otherwise?
>They don't know about all that new gods and parademons shit.
The movie has literal Batdemons show up multiple times and the devils in the painting look extremely similar to them. Give the average moviegoer some credit man, there's plenty of ways to make the connection.
>>81310027
Miscast! Same with aquaman and flash
>>81312901
Some private prisons do this, iirc.
It's not required though.
>>81312931
>flash
I think you mean the 'Stache
Also they came up with an awesome reason for him to become bald. He goes to jail where of course they always shave your head. That totally always happens and makes perfect sense just like the rest of this GREAT MOVIE!
>>81312991
A lot of prisons do it for hygiene, or just to exert authority and control over the inmates.
>>81312931
Jason Momoa is a good fit for the JLtas version of Aquaman. I'm not really impressed with their Flash yet, but it's hard to have an opinion when he's not even had a full minute of screen time. I'm not even going to try defending Lex.
![wpid-wp-1445988878522[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ME3O8hi.jpg "wpid-wp-1445988878522[1].jpg")
>>81310062
>Justice League pt 1
>Superman has alredy risen.
>He talks to Lex
>Lex is bulked up and matured
>At the end of the movie he breaks out of prison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD5wQROo_bs&list=PLBKadB95sF44vjNzNABcYoF_7ae6lAgJM&index=3
>>81313090
Third world prisons? Because I work in corrections and I have literally never seen a penitentiary do this.
>>81313098
>I'm not even going to try defending Lex.
He needs no defense
>>81313143
No, in the United States. There've been several religious freedom lawsuits where the plaintiffs said that the practice violated tenets of their faith (Muslims or Orthodox Jews often observe practices that restrict cutting beards or hair).
>>81312919
>Lex keeps referring to demons from space
>only thing from space viewers know of are kryptonians
>Lex says they know now that Superman is dead somehow
>idea is reinforced by repeating the flipped painting
The natural assumption here is that there are more kryptonians, and Supes dying somehow triggers their awareness. If you don't know who the new gods are, there's no reason to assume there's yet another player. Now if they kept that deleted communion scene, viewers would have every reason to believe there's something else. This movie was edited to shit.
>Batdemons show up multiple times and the devils in the painting look extremely similar to them.
The parademons looked insectoid. To add to that, it was a dream sequence, so it could easily be interpreted as weirdness/fears of batman being expressed, not an actual thing in the setting.
>>81312919
>Because that scene serves literally no other purpose otherwise?
It would serve to explain how he knew what to do to create doomsday.
>>81313276
What infuriates me the most about the Communion scene being cut is the fact that it's only thirty fucking seconds long.
Surely they could've found 30 seconds in the movie to get rid of in order to fit that in.
When does Luthor learn about Darkseid? Is he trying to get rid of Superman after finding out that the New Gods are coming to Earth? Seems pretty dumb to me.
>>81313527
In the communion scene.
Finding out any time else makes no sense given what he says.
>>81313403
Who the fuck was he looking at anyway? Yuga Khan?
>>81313527
>Is he trying to get rid of Superman after finding out that the New Gods are coming to Earth? Seems pretty dumb to me.
Superman being dead seems to be what signals the Apokalips invasion, judging from what Lex says at the end.
>>81313527
>>81313552
Oh, you mean the scene they showed on YOUTUBE?
>>81313611
We don't know yet. Most common guesses seem to be him or Steppenwolf.
>>81313615
Wait so he wants to get rid of Superman so that Darkseid can then destroy the planet he lives on?
>>81310027
Except Prometheus is a Titan. He stole from his inferiors to give to those who were barely above insects.
Prometheus represents the gift of knowledge to lesser beings in the hope of granting them comfort, dignity, and equality.
So that would be like Luthor wanting to be a New God and give all humans superpowers.
>>81313670
No, just that him killing Superman has led to the incasion
>>81313670
He doesn't learn about Darkseid until after he's already released Doomsday. For whatever reason he goes back to the archive, maybe to look for something else to use to kill Superman when it fails, or to take over the world, and hits Anti-Life instead.
>>81311125
You want theme exploration? I'll give you theme exploration.
Superman is Christ, Doomsday is Anti Christ
> Superman has human and kryptonian parents
> Doomsday has a human and kryptonian parent
> Superman has a natural birth
> Doomsday has artificial birth
> Superman is last of his kind
> Doomsday is first of his kind
> Superman was given the freedom to become anything by the Kents and the El's and he became a hero
> Doomsday was forced to become a villain
Also that second to last point is apparent, and is something I realized about MoS, that the reason the kents give their speeches about letting the kids die in the bus, about superman not owing the world a thing, is because they wanted him to be free from society's expectations, Just like the El's did on krypton. And despite having all this freedom, despite having never been told to be a hero, Clark still decides to be one, making him all the more heroic.
>>81313403
It would have confused the living shit out of the audiences, anon. Like, sure they did that with the flash scene, but flash is a much more iconic character than Steppenwolf or whoever was that.
On a side note, I freaking loved it
>>81313615
You know I get the feeling Darkseid is gonna resurrect an evil Supes and the Justice League's first battle is gonna be to take him down
>tfw Snyderverse justice league was formed to kill Superman
Being superman is suffering
>>81311901
ARE YOU AN IDIOT, THIS WHOLE POST IS ABOUT HOW HE REPEATS THIS THEME OVER AND OVER AGAIN YOU RETARD
>>81313785
>> Doomsday is first of his kind
The shipe explicitly says the creation of abominations has been banned to avoid making such a mistake AGAIN.
>>81313919
It would have tied together the entire darkseid thing like >>81313276 points out. Without it they have no idea what Lex is raving about at the end
>>81313944
There's not a chance in hell there won't be some big scene where Superman saves them all when the chips are down, come on.
The ending is intentionally meant to be optimistic. Christ didn't die, so he could later show up to murder us all when Satan rolls into town.
I just watched the deleted scene. Why does Steppenwolf roar like he's a parademon? I thought he talked like a person.
>>81314041
I honestly think that when the Director's Cut comes out, there will be a very big reevaluation of this movie.
It won't be perfect, this movie is the cinematic equivalent of a concussion, but there is a lot of interesting shit bubbling beneath the surface.
>>81314095
Probably a different language
>>81314095
Because it's scary
>>81314052
I don't trust Snyder enough to make a hopeful Superman movie
>>81313403
Because that's COMIC BOOKS and it doesn't fit with Snyder's DEEP RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM that's TOO SMART FOR MARVEL FANS.
>>81310223
And it was boring ass shit
>they wrote Lex Luthor as Dan from Dan Vs. instead of as Lex Luthor
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
>>81314322
>instead of Lex Luthor
pleb
>>81314378
You forgot a word
>>81310027
What is the deleted communion scene?
Jesse Eisenberg as Max Landis as Lex Luthor
>>81314543
Lex Luthor discovering Anti-Life
>we've reached the point where people have to do analysis of films to determine if they're good or not
Saw the movie, it was shit. That's the end of for most people.
The fact people are going through such mental gymnastics to defend this Zach Synder turd is laughable
>>81314648
You got trolled, faggot.
>>81312788
It would've been great if they both came to an agreement and still put on a 'fight' for Luthor, just so he'd think he'd won and let his guard down.
>>81314759
This would've been perfect.
This thread reminds me of G-Reco threads on /m/
Both of those have the problem of being really bad at presenting their ideas in a cohesive and easy to understand mannerDifference being BvS is shit whereas G-Reco is alright
>>81312497
Why not cut out the middle man and beat superman with those weapons instead of creating an even stronger dude and then using the weapons on the far more dangerous dude.That's fucking retarded.
>Snyder manipulates this new paradigm so that mankind’s sense of mortality is embodied by Batman, Superman, and their arch-nemesis, Lex Luthor. (All three characterization performances are, well, perfect.) When Superman’s motives are questioned, the skepticism and vilification create an antagonism between him and Batman that Snyder lays out as an ideological conflict and that Luthor exacerbates. Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg, who played Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network and thus personifies the craven millennium) cynically whines about “The oldest lie in America: that power can be innocent.” He even threatens a senator (Holly Hunter) who heads an investigation into Superman’s guilt.
>Luthor’s obsession with Superman (“He answers to no one. Not even, I think, to God”) reveals envy that is unmistakably demonic; a development that coheres with Snyder’s spiritual-social vision of post–9/11 grief and desire for salvation. He creates the year’s first great movie image by examining Superman’s “divinity” when he is surrounded by Day of the Dead multitudes. The image echoes our current desperation regarding “populism” — and that’s truly audacious.
based Armond White hitting the nail on the head again with this film, he's one of the few critics who actually 'got' what Snyder and Eisenberg were trying to do
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433246/batman-v-superman-culture-war-gets-mythic
>>81313785
So deep
>>81314953
>In this age of petty Marvels, most comic-book movies merely perpetrate fantasies of power, but Snyder, enacting his personal aesthetic, braves a film that examines those fantasies. He boldly challenges popular culture’s current decay. Man of Steel was a magnificent, hugely satisfying response to what’s often missing in pop culture, and Batman v Superman raises more ideas without (yet) resolving them. And Snyder, obliged to placate the Marvel hordes, lets a couple of fight scenes devolve into Avengers-trite turmoil.
why is Armond so fucking based at destroying plebs?
>Superman spends the entire first half of the movie trying to make up for demolishing Metropolis
>saves people in a flood, saves a little girl from a house fire and saves astronauts in a rocket
>b-but what if he blows up a bus of orphans
>that justifies me blowing up the capital building and creating an unstoppable demon monster
More people died because Lex and wheelchair fag were being babies about Superman.
Lex was in the process of making Doomsday while he assumed Batman was killing Superman. So what was Doomsday going to break loose regardless? Lex was lucky Wonderwoman and Batman were there to clean up his mess
>>81314953
>armond white jerking off to babbys first divine symbolism
You know he doesn't believe any of this shit right?
>>81310027
My only complaint is that Luthor acts like the Joker and Bruce/Batman acts more like Luthor.
>>81314648
>Mental gymnastics
>Understanding the film.
I hear the new Avenger is going to be Captain Exposition, should be right up your alley
>>81311029
>Did he think he could control it?
Yes. This should have been obvious when he reached out to it before it tried to kill him.
>>81311378
Hubris is the core of Luthor's character. Of course he thought the monster he created would bend to his will. After all, everything else had.
>>81317626
What the hell led him to think that then? There was no indication there was any sort of control mechanism at play that failed. He just made an angry monster and expected it would listen to him because he bled into some soup to make it? That's some deeply flawed logic for a man that spent the whole movie manipulating people, and even making contingencies in case they weren't easily manipulated.
>>81316895
>Luthor acts like the Joker
Being twitchy and manic doesn't immediately mean "Joker", anon.
>Bruce/Batman acts more like Luthor
I've argued that this is intentional and that Batman's main character arc deals with him realizing how close he comes to becoming Luthor before he recognizes his mistake.
>>81317736
He said when he created it that it would be a part of him. He wanted to remove superman from above him, putting another figure in that position that was technically a part of him acheives that.
>>81317723
Because he went to great effort to make sure they did. He did nothing to ensure doomsday's obedience.
>>81316895
I dont understand this
I dont see the Joker resemblance.
What is this autistifaggotry
>>81317780
So in that case he didn't expect Doomsday's obedience, only that it would kill Superman. Now it seems like a suicide, as he wouldn't expect doomsday to spare him from it's wanton destruction.
>>81313117
I would actually like this. I didnt hate Jesse Eisenberg as Lex it was obvious he was getting the shit direction he went with Lex, from Snyder an Snyder's wife. And if they get him to bulk up it would be pretty cool
>>81317815
He's very similar to Ledger Joker with his extensive plans, manipulation, nihilism and oddball mannerisms.
>>81317815
these autismos think just because luthor has longer hair he kinda looks like heath, enough for their autism to kick in
>>81317857
He sees death by doomsday as greater than death by superman. Hence his speech about idolizing the guy who took powers from gods and gave it to humans.
>>81317906
He really isn't.
Luthors plans were very directed and had fail safe after fail safe. He had reasons for doing what he did and manipulated on a massive scale.
>>81317930
As long as we both agree Luthor had no illusions that he would live through this, or that he wasn't unleashing a rampaging godlike monster to kill another godlike monster
>>81317736
>What the hell led him to think that then?
Why wouldn't he? We know that Doomsday is an uncontrollable monster because we've read the comics. Lex doesn't have any reason to assume the creature would be violent and unstoppable. Since Lex is an arrogant ass, he probably thought it would see him as a father figure.
>>81318012
I agree he wasn't looking far beyond 'take out superman'.
In saying that, his plan was great (and a success).
>>81317970
So did ledger Joker. He raved about not having a plan but spent all his time building up his plans. He even had the same motivation of wanting to deface the noble characters
>>81318035
The ship tells him it would be an abomination and that the Kryptons brought about laws to block it happening.
>>81318035
Because the computer outright tells him he's making a dangerous monster the kryptonian council banned because its a dangerous monster
>>81318065
seems to me you just have a edgy ledger joker boner and want to see him in everything, you seem like the type of person who thinks jason todd will be the joker in suicide squad, because not muh ledgy :(
>>81317767
but it also doesn't mean Luthor
>>81318118
I didn't like Ledger's Joker and found his nihilistic slant childish.
That doesn't mean I can't see the similarities between him and Eisenberg Luthor. I can understand why people are comparing the two.
>>81318073
>Kryptonians made laws to ban it
>but leave the programming in anyway because lol why not
Okay, I've finally watched the movie and now I can give my opinion.
I've come to this conclusion: Fuck this movie, fuck luthenberg, fuck bataffleck, fuck snyder, fuck man of murder, fuck the mcu, fuck the dceu. This chan needs a /capeshit/ board and /tv/ needs to get the fuck out, i don't care if it means turningg /co/ into a slowboard. Just do it.
Rate: a strong 4 out of 10 for this piece of crap.
>>81318249
this anon is the rightest anon in the thread
>>81318242
The programming didn't work because the council was dead and Luthor could assume complete control over the ship.
Who puts a failsafe in for after you have been wiped from existence?
>>81312175
Honestly, this thread is the first I'm hearing about them.
>>81310027
Seriously? You believed Lex Luthor about the child abuse?
One, that's an incredibly cliched motivation. Two, it's not what Lex's motivation was.
Lex was just plain jealous of Superman. Superman has all this power, yet no knowledge. Lex has all this knowledge and wealth, but he has nothing like Superman's power. And he can't stand it. To him,. it's entirely undeserved and that's why he creates Doomsday; so that a being with his blood, something he can say is a part of HIM, has the power of Superman.
That's it.
As for Darkseid, that came out of fucking nowhere unless he knew nothing about Darkseid and was just speaking in general about the coming alien holocaust.
>>81318312
why did they leave the forbidden knowledge in the ship in the first place?
>>81318249
>fuck bataffleck
Would have accepted your opinion even though I disagree with you.
But that is 100% shit taste anon. You can go fuck yourself
>>81310986
Except Batman literally says he's always been like that. That's why he's a criminal. The only difference now is that he's branding villains instead of just executing them. The whole "taking the law into his own hands" complex Clark has about him is because Batman kills and Superman don't.
>>81318249
>Rate: a strong slightly below average for this piece of crap.
You really need to learn how numbers work.
>>81318352Lex being abused as a child is from the comics
>>81312066
so what's the point of scheming about terrorists and batman or whatever if he's already willing to let the entire world get destroyed by a kryptonian ogre? does he only care about fucking over superman? they really should've kept the scene where he went insane if they were gonna throw his decisions making sense out the window
>>81318369
It's illegal to assault someone but they don't cut off everyones arms anon.
>>81318369
Luthor was accessing archives. Even forbidden shit stats in archives, unless it's one of those societies that likes to revise history to erase their less than stellar parts
>>81318428
I'd think if a computer program became illegal the government would make every effort to remove it from their own hardware
>>81318426
Failsafe in case superman defeated doomsday. Hence the line:
>No no no, you can't be all good and all powerful. You are not a God. You must be lacking in one.
If superman defeats Doomsday than he is all powerful and cannot be all good, so Lex wants to expose that.
>>81312675
That's one motivation. But Lex has others too.
Another popular one is that Lex is a petty human being that can't stand the idea of another being that is more powerful than him. One he can't control.
He cares about taking care of humanity because it makes him look good, but doesn't really care about actually helping others. Lex is always in things for hinself
>>81318397
but this movie only scored 4 points in my head because I only liked affleck's batman.
But still, fuck him. I just don't want to be hiding threads anymore, it's getting ridiculous. It needs a containment board. It's WORSE than the days before /vp/, and it has been that bad for two years? It's only gonna get worse.
>>81318352
>As for Darkseid, that came out of fucking nowhere unless he knew nothing about Darkseid and was just speaking in general about the coming alien holocaust.
The implication is that Luthor knows Darkseid is coming because of his research with the scout ship. The flipped painting, the Motherbox noises, he knows what's up. The deleted scene confirms that he's learned of Steppenwolf.
>>81318459
As a programmer, they probably just put a comment above the line of code that said:
>// Don't call this. Bug#58925
>>81318489
>The implication is that Luthor knows Darkseid is coming because of his research with the scout ship. The flipped painting, the Motherbox noises, he knows what's up.
Yeah. First watch through and without the deleted scenes I picked up right away that Lex knew about Darkseid.
The Flash time travel showed that the death of superman heralded the arrival of Darkseid, so that was another big clue.
>>81318471
>Another popular one is that Lex is a petty human being that can't stand the idea of another being that is more powerful than him.
Why can't he stand that?
Because he thinks of himself as the true hero.
Those two Lexs are the same.
>>81318533
>Why can't he stand that?
Could be because of his fathers abuse. Remember this Lex idolises the guy who robbed the power from the gods and gave it to humans.
>>81312095
>evil is competent
all that lex luthor did was say sentences that had the word "god" in them, make someone drink his pee and then blow them up, kidnapped superman's mom, and make a creature stronger than superman to stop superman with no plan to control it. then he got sent to jail.
>>81318533
>Why can't he stand that?
Because he's a power freak
>>81317970
>Luthors plans were very directed and had fail safe after fail safe.
yeah like letting batman take his entire kryptonite supply and relying entirely on him to kill superman
the same batman whose killing zeal evaporated when he figured out superman had a mommy, which he somehow didn't figure out beforehand despite being the world's greatest detective
and his failsafe in case that didn't work out? lol, fuck everything, here's doomsday, fuck the world
why would Lex even think to send a street level vigilante against fucking superman except as a threadbare justification to set up the eponymous conflict of this dumb fucking movie?
>>81318527
I said this earlier, but I think there is zero evidence that Lex knows about Darkseid before the end of the movie. The Communion scene very clearly takes place either towards the end of the Doomsday fight, or after it's over and Superman's dead. I like to think that Lex goes back into the archives in desperation one more time after Doomsday apparently tries to attack HIM, looking for something else, another contingency.
The Lex after that scene, and in prison is COMPLETELY difference from the Lex we saw through the rest of the movie.
>>81318576
It must suck going through life being as stupid as you.
>>81318453
yeah, it's not like this society in particular fucking banned natural birth
"If god is all good, then he cannot be all powerful
and if god is all powerful, then he cannot be all good"
I mean
This character isn't sketched out as a typical capeshit movie villain.
These are motivations that are the root of a person's belief system. It speaks to their worldview, how they were raised (this is even alluded to) and to how they perceive others. If you keep looking at the movie and trying to find "that moment" or "that scene" where the reason Lex does what he does becomes clear...you are not going to find it. But when you view the character as a whole and understand his philosophy, his outlook on life, etc...then you have all the motivation you need
>>81311415
>was using the cripple to manipulate bruce for months
We all understood that Lex kept him from receiving his checks to make him even more unstable, and sent them back to Wayne Indutries himself, right?
>>81318483
>wahhhhh don't talk about things I dont like it triggers me
Yeah no. You can really go fuck yourself now. This board is for discussing all things related to comics and cartoons including live action adaptations. I dont see you bitching about anyone talking about the live action jungle book adaptation or any other cartoon adaptation. But not muh comicbooks!
Well screw you. If you don't like it then leave
>>81318574
He idolizes a heroic figure that saved humanity by going against the gods. Someone much like the true hero he sees himself as. Again, this interpretation feeds into the first. Lex always thinks of himself as the good guy, but he's really just a narcissist
>>81310027
Except they were already planning to frame Supermab before the African warlord scene started.
100% serious here how did you not realize that when it was said out loud.
>>81318594
>yeah like letting batman take his entire kryptonite supply and relying entirely on him to kill superman
He wanted bats to take it, and had doomsday as backup if he failed
>>81318594
>yeah like letting batman take his entire kryptonite supply and relying entirely on him to kill superman
He had been monitoring batman heavily and had obviously decided that bats + kryptonite would be a worthy foe.
>the same batman whose killing zeal evaporated when he figured out superman had a mommy,
He knew it was possible that Superman vs Batman wouldn't end with one of them dead, hence the doomsday failsafe. This batman isn't comic book great detective. This is PTSD suffering, alien fearing batman.
>and his failsafe in case that didn't work out? lol, fuck everything, here's doomsday, fuck the world
Yes, his goal was to remove superman.
>why would Lex even think to send a street level vigilante against fucking superman except as a threadbare justification to set up the eponymous conflict of this dumb fucking movie?
Because if supes killed bats, it would ruin his image. If bats killed supes it solves his problem.
>>81318610
He asked the ship to teach him about everything.
>>81318669
/tv/
plz
go
>>81318712
I thought that he was perfectly willing to give it to him legally, he WAS offering to cut Bruce into Lexcorp's R&D department.
He definitely looks pretty sad when he realizes Batman stole the Kryptonite.
>>81318622
i'm sorry the movie gave me a headache. like no shit. everything was black except when machine gun fire went off or batman's bright ass monitors were on screen. the loud noises, constant huge musical cues, i really had a migraine by the end that might have prevented me from understanding the symbolism behind lex luthor's dad's painting. i think it has to do with him not trusting superman
>>81318657
You get it anon. The two different outcomes are what his two different plans cater for.
If superman is all powerful, he won't be good and will kill bats.
If superman is all good, he will survive to doomsday, but won't be all powerful and will lose.
Which he did. Lex was right, Lex won.
>>81318785
When I watched it a second time, you can see he is starting to smirk actually
>>81318785
>legally
he literally brought it into the country illegally
>>81318808
>Which he did. Lex was right, Lex won.
What Lex didn't count on was Batman and Wonder Woman actually coming into the picture to help him out, and for Superman to become a martyr in the process.
>>81318644
Yeah and they still knew what it was, and that they had once had kids that way.
A truly revisionist society would've sterilized the population and all engineered newborns and simply told everyone kryptonians were always made this way. No record of natural birth kryptonians would exist.
In fact, why didn't they stetilize the population? If natural breeding is such a taboo why even allow people to make the mistake. Not like it would hard to implement when literally every child is custom engineered
>>81318846
in a society where every child is custom engineered and technology exists to bring people back from the dead, it's probably not super-hard (ho ho) to un-sterilize people
>>81318785
He smirks. He just smirks in his crazy twitchy way so it's hard to notice
>>81318669
If you want to turn comic book movies into "live action adaptations" (movies), then get your shit and fuck off to /tv/. Oh, wait, you can't, because even there people are tired of your shit.
Do you see why we need a board just for this? Don't talk to me like it is about comics, it's not about comics anymore, people who talk about it don't give a fuck about comics, I assure you.
And who said I like jungle book threads? The only thing I deal with is pixar movies, because they still are cartoons in some way.
>>81318839
Yeah. He didn't count on superman going the befriend option. Back against the wall. He thought it was kill or be killed, but supes found the better way (which is wonderfully in character).
>>81318712
what was the backup is doomsday succeeded?
>>81318913
Your inability to close the tab isn't my problem.
>>81318927
None, that was a win condition for Lex. He would have successfully taken the powers from the Gods and used it to take them down. Just like his damn idol.
>>81318744
>He had been monitoring batman heavily and had obviously decided that bats + kryptonite would be a worthy foe.
did he not even think to keep a little kryptonite for himself? why would he pit a SINGLE GUY WITHOUT SUPERPOWERS against superman? shit, give wonderwoman some kryptonite and sic her on superman and that nigger's fucked. wonderwoman isn't even a detective supergenius so she's probably hella easy to manipulate.
>He knew it was possible that Superman vs Batman wouldn't end with one of them dead, hence the doomsday failsafe.
but doomsday isn't a failsafe. if doomsday wins, EVERYONE loses. including lex
>Yes, his goal was to remove superman.
and kill himself in the process? why would egotistical jerknut lex fucking murder humanity in his quest to prove humanity doesn't need superman?
>Because if supes killed bats, it would ruin his image.
but this is a shitty batman everyone hates, wouldn't killing him IMPROVE his image?
>>81318927
Superman dying/being defaced was the end goal. He had no concern for anything beyond that. This Luthor was ao nihilistic he would forfiet his own life to see superman brought low.
>>81319023
>he would forfiet his own life to see superman brought low
literally the Joker
>>81318895
>technology exists to bring people back from the dead
They don't have that.
And yeah it would be hard if the council was in control of all the tech to actually do that with
>>81319001
>but doomsday isn't a failsafe. if doomsday wins, EVERYONE loses. including lex
Lex is a narcissist and an egomaniac. Going by the scene of Doomsday's birth, and the fact that Luthor birthed him with his blood, he clearly expected a certain level of control over it
>but this is a shitty batman everyone hates, wouldn't killing him IMPROVE his image?
Superman beating and killing a mortal man, a human and being shown to the world in that state is not a good look and would turn the entire world against him
>>81319062
The joker who thinks batman completes him? I would never kill you he says.
That's way different to lex
>>81318987
His idol uplifted humanity. he didn't actually harm the gods in any way, and was punished for his noble gesture.
>>81319120
what about the Joker from the comic BvS partially adapted, who literally killed himself to make Batman look bad?
