And DC wastes its chance to save Wally West in Rebirth...
>>81136145
YOU CANT TURN A BLACK INTO WHITE
Popular theory is Wally is coming back with Titans Hunt.
Which actually isn't a bad idea. It gives them a chance to go back to Kid Flash without de-aging Wally and making him retread all that.
>>81136145
Why not introduce a new speedster and push him as an important new character instead of stapling a familiar name on an unrelated character?
Even if he did come back, Wallyfags would be bitching about his wife and kids.
>>81136182
Sure you can, just say that he has vitiligo.
Titans Hunt is going to bring back older Wally.
We already have two Supermen, it doesn't matter if you have overlap.
>>81136254
That's been discussed to death now, there's no point reiterating it.
The issue now is what you do now that the damage is done.
>>81136266
I wouldn't. I'm a Spitfire shipper. Linda and the kids can go to hell.
>>81136145
Further proof DC doesn't know what its doing.
>>81136388
Let him stay gone, he's too pure for Rebirth.
>>81136145
Excellent. The tears of JLUcasuals sustain me.
>>81136145
AHAHAHAHAHA
>>81136145
And nobody was surprised.
>>81136266
duh, because NONE OF THEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN DELETED!
>>81136304
Yes, because, old supes makes Nusupes look shit.
>>81136431
yeah pretty much
>>81137447
>old supes makes Nusupes look shit
Old Supes is a shit who makes Phoenix Cyclops tier bad decisions
MAN OF WELL-MEANING BUT ULTIMATELY HARMFUL ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES
>>81136388
Artemis is still dead though.
>>81136145
The West's are black now. If they changed them back to white it would be considered racist.
>>81136254
If DC had introduced a new black speedster /co/would whine about a new black character being pushed as important while other characters were neglected.
>>81136145
ANAD JL
>>81138327
no I don't think so
>>81138159
Nigga Aqualad is white in rebirth that point is moot
>>81138475
That's Garth not Kaldur'ahm.
I wish I understood what the fuck Rebirth is. Is it another reset?
>>81138475
The white Aqualad is the original,he was always white.Kaldur the second Aqualad was black and has not appeared in the new 52(as far as I know)
>>81138475
>moot
Who?
>>81138408
/co/ tends to complain whenever a new character gets pushed regardless of that character's skin color.Then again,/co/ usually complains about everything.
>>81138521
>>81138565
In all Fairness Garth has Stolen Kal's Look including his damn tattoos
>>81138408
People complain about characters being pushed here all the time, only difference here is that they are specifically talking about new characters now.
>>81138550
It is literally just a renumbering and creative team shake up. All signs point to literally nothing in canon changing except for maybe Pre-Flashpoint Clark Kent and family living on Prime Earth alongside Prime Supes, Dick be coming Nightwing again, and Wally West still niggering around, just in present day.
>>81138550
Renumbering and renaming books, and switching around creative teams
>>81136308
>"this is stupid"
>allow them to do it anyway
this is why people call you a cuck
>>81136388
I want you to leave.
>black superhero
>powers involve lightning
I thought we were past this shit
>>81136266
He'd be too old. He was pushing 30 with his wife and kids in the old continuity. it would be odd seeing him team up with Dick and Donna who are nearly 10 years younger than him and him also being older than Barry.
>>81138408
exactly. Like noone complained when they made a new black power girl cos it wasn't the original. Just a new legacy character with the name. And nobody really gave a shit.
>>81138782
>It is literally just a renumbering and creative team shake up.
so basically pulling a marvel.
Seriously i'm a lifelong marvel fan but this is what they do like every year at this point. I swear to god they had a renumber and shuffle of secret avengers while the previous secret avengers was still going on. Fucking ridiculous.
Oh wait they did that with hawkeye as well. Christ. Hawkeye was just a renumbering though and the issue was due to a delay.
Still I miss seeing comics up there in the 600s and 700s and 800s. I kinda wish theyd just all go back to that shit. But nope...number 1 issues sell so why not make it confusing as fuck.
Guess ill never see a comic i read hit a thousand.
>>81138871
>allow them to do it anyway
you have no choice in the matter idiot.
>>81139079
You will though.
A #1000 will be much bigger than a #1.
If anything they'll renumber ASM back to the 900s when they're getting close, do 1000, then start back at 1.
Hell, they should be getting close to 800 soon, so they'll probably be doing that for it
>>81139130
Well shit. I figure action comics would jump back by now. I mean fuck theyre up to like 950 issues at this point.
>>81136388
Wait, so you like and want Pre52 Wally but hate Linda? Are you fucking sick in the head?
>>81138946
Wally was in his mid 20s. They just had their first kids and they magically aged up via Speed Force.
Barry was older than Wally when he came back, after all. And Barry wasn't 30.
>>81136145
Holy shit that costume looks terrible on a black kid with short hair. Jesus christ DC did anyone even think that through slightly?
It's like they're trying to remind us about old Wally because they know how much we want it but absolutely refusing to just give us what we want. It's baffling. Nose spite face I guess.
>>81139079
>Still I miss seeing comics up there in the 600s and 700s and 800s
I don't. It way easier to find shit under the current system, and its easier to jump from good run to good run while ignoring the bad ones
>>81140090
nice
>>81138327
Only if he was written as a stereotype and brought absolutely nothing positive the stories he was in, which is exactly what Black Wally is and did. He literally exists so that some HR person can add another check to the mandatory diversity column.
It's like Brick in Teen Titans. He brought nothing to the table except to be gay and hispanic, which is why he spent every issue reminding everyone how gay and hispanic he was. Zero depth, all diversity filler.
People who really crusade for more diverse casts in things really should be more offended that so many of these characters exist as such one-dimensional entities instead of actually being fleshed out and interesting characters on their own.
>>81140120
Thank you.
But Wally is still in the first Rebirth image, no body thought the Kid Flash in the second image was Wally. Bart maybe, but not Wally.
>>81136388
This post is pure cancer
Just introduce a new Flash character + family from a different earth/timeline called Walter Park.
>>81138327
Why it needs to be black?
Fuck you SJW cunt
>>81140177
Yeah, a picture that looks like Kid Flash. chances are that was meant to be Wally but someone messed up the hair (maybe even made him white) and they backtracked and made the new launch trailer.
>>81136145
Well if pre-New52 Superman will be getting a push, perhaps Wally West can get it too eventually?
>>81140346
DC respects pre-52 Superman.
>>81138565
I don't think there's been an Aqualad since New52.
>YFW Rebirth is John's story involving Zoom and Thawne's team-up from Flash Rebirth and the 3rd worst day of Wally's live
>>81136145
But Anon... that IS Wally West.
>>81138624
>complaining about complains
Gotta keep the circle alive.
why does everyone give so much of a shit about wally? he wasn't any good til the late 80s and even then he can never reach the heights of barry, who died saving the multiverse. wally could never pull off something that spectacular
>>81140448
>>81140553
Why is the Zoo Crew so based?
I literally have no problem with Wally being black. He's the Flash. They can be whatever they want. The character is till there, regardless of skin color.
Im so fucking tired of niggers in comics
>>81136218
Yeah, it's Dove coming back, not Wally.
>>81140584
black flash is okay, but Wally is his own character
>>81136145
>Introduce black super hero
>Power is RUNNING FAST
wow wtf no wonder the movies from these racist shitlrods bomb. What's next, a black villain that has the power to shoot things good?
>>81140584
10/10 shitpost. You've clearly not read anything with Black Wally in it.
>>81136145
Ok, who's faster
>>81140584
Wasn't the problem that it wasn't the same character with a tan?
>>81140592
I completely forgot about that pretty crappy Wally costume they gave him from Rebirth
>>81140651
Why does his son look Asian while his daughter looks white? Shouldn't they be mixed?
>>81140448
These are developmentally-stunted manchildren who fear change and don't want to admit they're a bit racist. New Wally has potential, but these idiots are all too busy repeating, as they have for years "NOT MUH." Comixology exists. Read the old shit and shut up, children.
>>81138408
>>81139027
Tell that to Captain Britain, Captain Marvel,Thor or hell, all of marvel.
>>81140758
speedforce
>>81140448
Yes, he wasn't any good during the time when most of us weren't alive. And he was really, really good when most of us were alive. Go figure he has fans.
When the best thing Barry ever did was die, you might wonder why they brought him back.
Wally saved the universe plenty of times.
DC doesn't want to save Wally, they want to bury him for the crime of replacing Barry Allen, the one and only Flash. Inb4 Jay Garrick, he admitted it was Barry Allen the one who made him The Flash.
>>81140758
They are mixed they just had the favor one parent each. Jai looks like Linda and Irey looks like Wally.
Guess which one they pushed more tho.
>>81140584
Except Black Wally isn't The Flash. And he'll never be The Flash. You fucking dingus. Part of the reason they made him black was because they wanted to distance him from the original Wally so people wouldn't want Barry replaced.
>>81136182
But you can turn a ginger into a nigger?
>>81140856
>storytiming the weakest entry in one of the weakest events ever
This is why DC isn't listening to you.
>>81140851
>They are mixed they just had the favor one parent each. Jai looks like Linda and Irey looks like Wally.
mixed kids all have black hair and black eyes, they don't get their white parents eyes and hair
source: i'm mixed
>>81140758
Iris still has asian features it's just the red hair makes it look different. Go into paint and color her hair black and you'll realize she has the same skin tone as jai (which is a lighter version of Linda's skin tone, as you'd expect).
>>81140793
Go read old Barry comics then, you ingrate. Of course people want their favorite character to have new books. Might as well cancel Batman since he has a bunch of back issues on comixology!
>>81140880
Only casuals prefer Wally as the Flash. It's literally like preferring Falcon as Cap over Steve.
This is the world now. It's ok for things to be different. Your books still happened. Let it go. Take a breath.
>>81140926
Wally Mansplains the FUCK out of Diana...
>>81140918
You're not every mixed person. There are mixed people who exhibit recessive genes.
>>81140971
I don't have to read old Barry comics. Barry is the Flash. You're the one having a problem here. And they're still writing Batman. They didn't stop writing Batman, so I don't need to go back unless I want to enjoy some older Batman stories. Calm down, friend.
>>81140983
What? Casuals only care about Barry because they've only read new 52 and assume Barry is the only Flash. All of the good Flash books have Wally as the lead.
The end
>>81140971
Also, not sure how "ingrate" applies here? I'm happy with the way things have worked out, for the most part.
>>81141020
me and my brothers are hapas, and every hapa i've meet has dark brown hair and eyes
my little brother had littler brown hair when he was a child, but as he's grown older his hair looks darker
hapas could only exhibit recessive genes if their Asian parent had white genes somewhere along the line which is almost never the case
>>81138159
The Wests are white in the comics, only Wally is black for obvious reasons.
>>81141036
But they did stop writing Bruce. Three times now. Azrael, Dick Grayson, and JimBats. Was your response to all of those people" SHUT UP JIMBATS IS THE BATMAN GO READ OLD BATMAN COMICS YOU FAG!"?
Of course not. That'd be stupid. Batman's a good character with good stories who can sell comics. Wally was the exact same way. Barry is currently selling worse, right now, than Wally did in his entire career as The Flash.
Barry is The Flash right now. You're right. That was never the point. Don't call people casual if your response is "But this is what's happening RIGHT NOW and that's what's important!"
>>81141058
For some casuals, that may be the case, sure; but believe it or not, anon, there a lot of us who've read a lot more comics than that, and recognize that Barry makes a lot more sense. Wally doesn't even exist without Barry, and Barry's the more iconic character. That's why he came back, and Wally kind of slipped to the side, before being retconned out of existence.
It's going to be ok. We're all in this together.
>>81141146
You can just google "ginger asian" and you'll find people who are naturally ginger asians. It's not common. But this is comics. Common doesn't really supercede aesthetic.
>>81136145
just when i thought there couldn't be any worse characterfags than Ryder and Cass
>>81141220
What's your point? Dick Grayson doesn't exist without Batman and he still gets his own book. None of that has any bearing on anything. Stop pretending like Barry and Wally are mutually exclusive. They weren't for like 25 years. They don't have to be now.
I get why Barry came back. My point is Wally got dicked for no reason. When Wally stepped in for Barry it was after Barry got the greatest comics send off of all time. Wally got forgotten while his fans were lied to for years over and over until they did a reboot and just told fans to read Barry Allen or shut up.
It's one of the weird cases where there's an obvious paying audience for something but some command from on high has quashed it for nebulous reasons.
>>81141247
yes google images is a punnett square
>>81141186
And they kept on bringing Bruce right back. It was obvious that was always the plan. Barry's the Flash because he's the most iconic to wear the mantle. They never retconned Bruce from existence, because that's a character that even casuals can identify. There's a reason it wasn't Wally in the original tv series, silly.
I get that Wally matters to you. I understand that feeling. I hated how they ruined Ultimate Peter Parker. But I can always read those books, and I gave Miles a chance to come into his own, and I'm kinda happy about that.
This is going to be ok.
>be ginger daywalker
>be huge old Wally fan because he's the Flash I grew up with
>make peace with knowing Wally's never coming back because everyone hates gingers
>tell them I wasn't getting my hopes old
>didn't believe the hype
>didn't get my heart broken again
Growing old and cynical saved the day
Now Eobard's my homeboy
>>81141344
You're trying to say something is impossible when it's not. Especially for magic babies. Wally West's Speed Force Semen is strong so one of the kids ended up looking more like him. Whoop dee doo.
>>81141392
>You're trying to say something is impossible when it's not
it is impossible, google images give me nothing but memes
yeah magic babies okay, but lets not try to pretend a mixed couple can have anything more than a child with dark brown hair and eyes
>>81141439
YES
FUCK
YES
>>81141346
All of the shit you're saying doesn't explain why Wally West can't exist. "Barry is iconic!" Ok. That's a good reason for Barry to exist, why does that mean Wally can't?
"Barry is in the TV Show because it makes more sense!" Sure. Okay. Why does that mean Wally West can't have a comic book?
Like, you're not making an argument. You love Barry because something something about shit that doesn't have anything to do with the stories he's in. Great. None of that excludes Wally from existing. When Flash: Rebirth was printed it didn't make causality falter and annihilate our universe because both Barry and Wally were in it. When they ran side by side in Final Crisis it didn't magically make anyone who read it melt and die for gazing upon it like the Ark of the Covenant.
The only thing stopping Wally from existing is DC editorial. They've literally brought back a pre-52 character already, with his wife and kid, despite literally being the same character who already exists in the universe with the SAME NAME. But Wally's too outrageous to have around because *mumble*but barry iconic flash best ever*mumble* ?
>>81141324
Yeah, but they didn't give Dick a run so lengthy as Batman that there are hordes of people screaming for his return to the cowl. They couldn't do that, for the obvious reason that Bruce is ultimately the Ideal, Iconic Batman.
They dropped Wally because they could. He was ultimately expendable to the legacy. That's not to detract from what his stories brought to the game. I don't hate the old Wally. I've got shitloads of old Wally. But it's also pretty obvious that DC doesn't care enough about that version of Wally, when they can snag an easy diversity point (while thinning out the herd of speedsters). They're looking forward, and trying to get that SJW money.
This isn't like Superior Spiderman, where they're acting like this is the thing from now on, but we all know it isn't. This is a ship that sailed a long time ago.
>>81141476
google images doesn't give you nothing but memes. There are ginger asians with freckles and natural hair there. I know a half mexican ginger kid. Blake Griffin is half black and still has ginger features. Stop projecting shit because everyone you know isn't unusual.
>>81141476
Clearly this half-black man doesn't look white.
>>81141529
Yes, the problem is DC doesn't care about him. I agree. The only influence fans can have on fixing that problem is complaining about it and asking for him to come back.
So why do you think that's unreasonable or impossible? It's clearly not.
No one except a very small amount of black people care about New 52 Wally. And those people don't buy or read the comic for Wally, they just see pictures on the internet and applaud because the only thing they care about is how black someone is.
If you think the ship has sailed good for you. The people who still care about the character will still ask for a return. That's all they can do. Stop acting like they're unreasonable for wanting something that the company could very easily provide were they inclined to.
>>81141604
Wait a second, how does a half black person have blue eyes?!?!
Anon told me that was impossible!
>>81141476
Artemis became biracial in YJ because she was based off his biracial blonde haired niece.
>>81141533
>>81141604
>I know a half mexican ginger kid. Blake Griffin is half black and still has ginger features.
you do realize most mexicans are mestizo which are a mix of the natives and Spaniards.
and there were cases when African slaves did have sexual intercourse with their owners so it is possible for white genes to exist in the blackest of African Americans
>>81141604
>His paternal grandparents were both black, and had African-American, Jamaican, English, German, Jewish, and Cherokee ancestry. His mother is of Russian, French, Dutch, Syrian, and Lebanese ancestry.
this guy is as mutt as they come
>>81136275
Imagine cow pattern skinned Wally
>>81141496
Sure, DC editorial could say, you know what, Telos and Brainiac let the old continuity Wests through, and now they have a book, and they're in continuity even though they've got a muddled as fuck back story. They've got old Supes w/old Lois, and they had a kid. That's a concept even a casual reader could understand. But old Supes/Lois weren't legacy characters with complicated mythos. Why would you think DC would think "hey, let's release a book that muddies our always muddy canon, by bringing back a situation that only some people even give a shit about, that's definitely not going to be attractive to new readers? That sounds like a money maker."
They don't have the best track record for challenging, new ideas that respect legacy, at least not this century.
You say I'm not making an argument, because I'm not really arguing with you at all. I think it sucks that Wally's under the rug, but I also understand why, from a business sense, it makes more sense for this to be the case.
He's not coming back. If he is, it's in shit like Convergence or Multiversity or some Nu-Elseworlds, but that's about it.
There's a reason Johns repeated at the Press Q/A today that story matters more than characters.
I'm just being realistic. I'm sorry if this exchange has seemed antagonistic.
>>81141690
Yes. Great. You've admitted it's possible. So why do you think it's impossible?
Wally has magic semen. Does that work for you? Speed Force.
>>81141658
he's only like at most a quarter black
>>81141747
>Yes. Great. You've admitted it's possible. So why do you think it's impossible?
I'm talking about down the line mixing
Asians don't commonly have white genes anywhere in their family tree, even American Chinese who's family came to America in the 1800s
>>81141606
You know who else, apart from that black readership, cares (and will raise a much bigger stink than old Wallyfans)? Liberal media. SJW. Tumblr. They're not going to touch that with a ten-foot pole. Think about how much innocuous shit in comics has resulted in a gigantic internet kerfluffle.
>>81141738
Because Wally West provably can support an audience reading about him(it's not like Convergence Speed Force, despite not having a drawing name on the title like BATMAN or SUPERMAN or FLASH didn't sell great)? Because it's almost certainly the most requested thing DC has had since Flashpoint (and Rebirth)? It was literally their most common con question for years running.
This entire event is about attracting old readers. Now is not the time to go "BUT NEW READERS." Wally's history isn't much more complicated than Superman's. was. The Flash from a previous earth, took over for his dead uncle, here's his wife and kids. They literally are in the middle of a JL arc that talks about the event Wally became The Flash in. No more complicated than fucking Batman's 5 year time compression Robin Revolving Door mess. And they did that time compression too...allow popular characters like Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne to coexist despite their fucked up timeline.
Are you saying Wally West can't exist in a universe where Damian Wayne does? Because you're grasping at straws if you do.
If you don't think he's coming back then fine. Why do you care that other people are petitioning to bring him back? Why do you care that other people are invested in him?
You're doing this weird "I totally agree with you, but here's how you're wrong and stupid" crap. Stop pretending to play my side and be my friend. You clearly don't actually give that much of a shit despite how much you say you do. Stop the two faced assery. If you didn't care you wouldn't care that other people...care.
>>81141820
But it's possible. And why do genetics have to be the same in DC as they do here? Aliens can breed with humans in this universe. Yet you're up in arms about, what, one of Wally's kids looking just like him with some asian features?
>>81141738
Nearly everything iconic about The Flash was stuff they established when Wally was The Flash. Explaining the Speed Force to casuals is harder than explaining "My uncle died and I took up the job." Inheritance is something that exists in real life and is very easy to get.
>>81140918
I found a black girl with blue eyes and almost blond hair one time.
She was unbeliavable cute.
Also her mother was probably the hottest and classiest black woman that I ever saw with my eyes.
>>81136145
who's hand is coming out of the lightning, anon?
>>81141986
i'm just saying it's not really something that mimics real life
aliens are one thing, because aliens don't exist for a damn thing so you can do whatever
but changing the rules of something that's real and easily understood would be like saying fire can suddenly be cold (with no magic or super science) in comics with no explanation
>>81136145
The real Wally is The Flash. Not Kid Flash.
>>81142043
Probably someone more important than Wally.
>>81142127
>not Barry
>definitely not Jay
>not Captain Marvel
>not Grant Morrisonprobably
>Flash is always involved in universal rewrite shenanigans
>>81142097
Except they're literally magic Speed Force babies. This is established as soon as they were born.
Fuck they were born because of time travel.
It's comics. I don't know what else to say. Yes, an asian with red hair and freckles is exceedingly rare. It's not impossible and especially not in comics.
I mean, fuck, Wally's cousins, Don and Dawn, both had red hair despite Barry Allen being blonde and Iris being brunette. And neither of them having ginger parents.
It's speedster shit. Speed Force likes red.
>>81142163
Flash isn't always involved in anything. He wasn't actually involved in COIE rewrite -- he just died saving the day before the big fight went down. Flash didn't do shit in Infinite Crisis. Didn't do shit in Zero Hour.
I guess they were slightly important in Final Crisis and Flashpoint was obviously Flash centric but fuck that last one was an accident.
>>81142199
But that's not when he and his entire family got deleted from existence!
>>81142031
>"My name is Wally West, and for a while, a long time ago, in another world, I was the fastest man alive. I got powers when my aunt's boyfriend, who was the Flash, and I started hanging out, and somehow the accident that empowered The Flash repeated itself. I was his sidekick, and when he died in the most heroic way possible, I took up his mantle as the Flash. Later, I had some kids, and they have powers, though those powers vary depending on who's writing. I was retconned out of existence, but then vague comic book reasons restored me and my family to a world where a man with the same name and powers as my aunt's boyfriend still exists, only now there's a completely different version of me in this world who is younger and of a different racial background. I'm here for ten issues before being discontinued because comic book sales are down across the board, and I'm not appealing to new readers, because holy shit did you just see how convoluted my origin story is? Damn."
>>81142351
You don't need to approach any of that.
For example Pre-52 Superman has his origin retconned several times in-universe thanks to some villain. Should Dan Jurgens constantly remind the reader of that? Of course not.
Stop being obtuse.
at least terry is back
>>81136388
you belong in a garbage can
>>81142351
You're being intentionally obtuse and you know it.
It's literally "My name is Wally West, I'm the fastest man alive. This is my wife, Linda, and my two kids, Iris and Jai, and we're on a strange world..." There. Intro done. Anything else of importance could be brought up later in the story.
It's not like every fucking Wally West book started with this crap you're spouting. Like seriously, "though those powers vary depending on who's writing" yeah no shit sherlock you could say the same about literally every character in DC.
NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE MARRIED
except for my pet characters aquaman and mera
>>81142445
Yes, but that was before Flashpoint. You can just say "this is superman and this is Lois Lane, but from the old continuity" and most people will get that. People get that. You're underestimating the bad business sense that trying to shoehorn in Wally and his family would make. Not being obtuse at all. Just realistic. It's ok. Just move on. They're not reading your posts. They don't care. If they cared, the New 52 Teen Titans book would have had Wally, not Bart, as Kid Flash.
It's just in the back issues now, m8. Don't be sad that it's gone-- just be happy that it happened.
>>81142351
I bet you think Donna Troy can't exist, either.
Or Hawkman and Hawkwoman.
>>81142541
>MY FUCKING FACE WHEN THE BUILDINGS IN THE FIRST PANEL SPELL OUT 'INFANTINO'
Holy shit, Ive read this like 10 times and never noticed that before
>>81142549
Do you really think comic readers don't know who Wally West is? Despite the fact he's the most brought up "missing character" of all time?
How dense are you?
And stop with this patronizing ass "But just go read the back issues" nonsense, you fucking stooge. Jesus christ.
>>81142528
Seriously, I can't tell if you're THIS AUTISTIC or just trolling. You can't possibly believe it's that easy. And again, the biggest problem here is that DC CLEARLY DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE OLD WALLY. You're not going to change that by being silly on a message board. There's no way he's back, ESPECIALLY not with his family.
>>81142561
But all of those characters do, anon. In the current books, even...
