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Topic: How long can an unannounced hiatus can last before you drop the comic?
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the writer of my comic said that axel looks to similar to the protag so I redesigned him.
I'm attempting to design backgrounds with sketchup to help me make them look better, and more planned out.
also to the topic.3 months, after that I would probably forget about it.
Wip of the comic.
I can finally post it all in my tumblr. Now, I need a name for my comic.
>>81060988
I'm interested in this. link?
>>81060626
>[Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
Do we have a discord?
>>81061259
Yes we do, but invites for it are time-sensitive so it wouldn't really be useful to put them in the OP.
>>81061450
send an invite here right now just 4 me?
>>81061450
what is discord
a concept of the min character and vehicle, i have a few pages, but they need polishing
>>81061450
mind if I get an invite?
>>81061622
better skype
>>81061652
This invite has a 24-hour time limit.
https://discord.gg/0ckxsOeUFTmlScMI
>>81062222
not them but im going to try it too so thanks
>>81061228
I haven't finish designing the page on tumblr.
But, Here you go. http://character-limit-blog.tumblr.com/post/136705545945/run-run-run
Also, Here is my second attempt of my main character design.
>>81063878
thanks.
>>81063902
So, What do you think of the design?
It is cool?
>>81060843
cute, try playing with different face traits, thats what really makes characters look the same
>>81063878
this is way more interesting, but i think you should keep the big hair shape of the original designs, and maybe tint the rags colors just a bit down to help separate it from the bandages
>>81063878
That's that one guy from Homestuck.
>>81063878
this character literally looks like something out of homestuck
>>81065016
This guy?
Well, Time to throw this away. It is too similar another design.
Here's a theme I'd be interested in seeing the webcomic creators tackle.
Your main character has just been placed in the new Super Web Fighter 4 EX Hyper Championship Edition video game.
Describe
>Their intro, win, and lose quotes
>Their playstyle
>3 special moves
>1 Super move
>Their personal stage
>>81060595
>Topic: How long can an unannounced hiatus can last before you drop the comic?
about 4 months or so, i know what its like to just suddenly withdraw from all contact so ill wait maybe a few more months if they're one of my favorites
>>81065171
>time to throw this away
not really, i read homestuck and even i didnt pit the two together, you just need to make some small changes
>>81065250
this sounds really fun, id even draw this out but they arent applicable to my character
Time to write the script for my update.
>>81065767
Oops, here is the last page of it.
>>81065659
It doesn't matter if your character isn't action oriented. Look at Villager from Super Smash Bros or Phoenix Wright in MvC. Get creative, people.
https://youtu.be/FJg3T6Xhgns
https://youtu.be/-LILhai7IHI
>>81065100
>you just need to make some small changes
Like what? I am embarrassed that screw up this much.
>>81065967
he's just an uncreative fuck rationalizing his own ineptitude.
>>81065967
>>81066233
thats not the problem
the character is dictated by other people, so until i start it, ill have no way of knowing
>>81066100
what i said here >>81064414 is a good start
last page of the prologue i was working on for my comic came out today
endlesswhatever.webcomic.ws
>>81061631
Looks pretty nice, anon. Story set in post apocalyptia?
>>81066300
Like this?
(Sorry thread for spamming my art).
somehow missed this
>>81060595
jeez i hope longer than a week, because my comics have just been fucking terribly late lately and it's only 2/3rds my fault. i just know a lot of comics if updates start to slow i just become numb and lose interest in the comic. or even if the updates seem to not be updates anymore, like if less happens
>>81065767
>>81065783
Looks neat buddie boy.
Are you writing the script as the sorry progresses?
>>81065250
this is like, all i think about in my comic. it's why the comic isn't that good, i need to be thinking about more than this.
>>81061631
>>81066923
yeah, around that
just gonna go ahead and repost this in the new thread
updates are going to be mondays and thursdays if i can help it
glymlo-land.tumblr.com
>>81068560
Thanks, I have an outline, and a fairly specific idea, but I write dialogue and narration as I go, yeah.
>>81065783
>>81065767
Where can i find this webcomic?
I think that everyone should be maybe putting some water marks in their strips, nothing too disruptive, just in like the corners
At least I'm going to try that
>>81069773
or yknow, a title, or something
>>81065250
i haven't owned a video game system since 2003 so i don't know what any of this means
>>81070082
you never went to an arcade back when arcades were a thing? because this is what fighting games in arcades were like
>>81069773
Sorry, man.
Here's the thing, though, my art has VERY recently improved and changed, so... Well you know.
http://cosmic-tales.tumblr.com/archive
HOWEVER I am going to do a five page update later tonight, like in an hour or two.
Anyway, thanks for your interest.
WIP of the next page!
>>81071450
Followed.
No problem, man. I know how improving art can be a bitch and a half, and looking at art improve over time is a nice feeling anyway.
Besides, working on a comic is a good way to improve your art anyway.
>>81071326
I was too young for arcades. The only video game system I ever had was a Gameboy. I wanted a Gamecube in 5th grade but my mom was like, "No, go outside" so I did.
>>81071476
acquired*
overkill* (pretty sure that's one word)
mein*
>not holding it right
snicker. he has his hand over the bits where the hot exhaust flares out. he's losing a fucking finger.
I reckon he should say 'i COME FROM a family' rather than i have a family.
you know, you did a passable job on the anti-tank rifle in panel 3, it really deserves a redo in panel 4. make yourself a sketch layer or something, with one straight line on it that you use as the guide. then try making other lines that converge and diverge to use as guides for the perspective. that gun deserves better, you drew it so recognizably after all.
>>81071685
so you never owned a videogame system
jesus christ man, go get one. you can get that gamecube now for like twentybucks
>>81071747
Alright, thanks for the input!
I was really insecure about how I drew the gun, and how he was holding it, hence the comment.
I have been writing a fair amount but have found myself struggling to draw right now. It's frustrating because I have, like, over 100 pages of scripts but I just can't force myself to sit down and draw them out.
>>81072066
tell yourself you're only drawing practice pages to sort of get everything plotted out
once you realize 'shit this basically is the comic' youll wonder why you hesitated so much
so I would like to do something involving all of our OC's, like having our characters date or something, what to do?
this is Elaine, my OC, basically a weirdo that loves writing, stories and walking around, not to mention coffee
>>81072761
This is Izzy. She's depressed and would very much like to kill herself, but can't work up the balls to actually do it. She likes drinking, gardening, and programs video games for a living.
>>81067325
thats what these threads are here for
this is better, but the colors of the rags and bandages are still too similar, try going darker on the rags
>>81072761
sleepovers or teepee prank
>>81072761
>walking around
what a degenerate.
i remember you i think. i hope you're still practicing, i'd love to see this stuff with more refined art and better anatomy. what was the story about again? like she's a writer that goes inside her own stories?
>>81072867
izzy's suicidally depressed? shit, i never caught that. she seemed pretty abnormally well off to me for such a psycho. Like, compared to every other piece of shit who ever got fantastically rich and went nuts with it, she isnt doing what sportsmen and rappers do..
![curtis-hupa-woman[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MudHwkK.jpg "curtis-hupa-woman[1].jpg")
>>81073020
>teepee prank
haven't we been through enough?
>>81073044
shouldve seen that coming
>>81073020
Maybe I should ask the guys from the OC thread to give me some advice.
Thank you for giving a crap about my comic.
>>81073320
We have an OC thread?!
Man, I'm having a hell of a time drawing backgrounds. That second panel doesn't look quite right to me, but I can't figure out what it is.
Any input in general would be cool!
>>81073436
fuck.. i wonder if drawing lewds of my own characters in THERE would get people interested. no.. no i mustn't.. that's cheating.
>>81073023
>i'd love to see this stuff with more refined art and better anatomy
lumis troll please
>>81073560
You don't have to draw lewds of your OC's.
/aco/ oc thread is pretty much like /i/: the thread.
>>81073531
i guess it's the tilted horizon line, but.. there's no reason you can't do a dutch angle. I used to do them a lot but now it really bothers me because i'm trying to actually think about perspective more
>>81073020
like who would go that sleepover? Who is the host?
>>81073582
naw i mean it. this is a nice style. it's held back by some bad art sometimes, i recall some major problems last time they posted and we worked on them together. in this one, it's tiny babbu arms.
>>81073610
oh fuck that then. i was hoping it was like .. a pageant
>>81073614
Yeah, it was supposed to be a tilted angle with her jumping into a swamp.
Background layouts as a whole is really tripping me up!
>>81073644
yeah, a lot of people have problems with anatomy, its kind of shitty going at them '' I would love this if it had better artwork ''
http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/141640704480
okay updates should be less infrequent now that I sorta know where Im going
>>81073724
why? i meant it completely genuinely. and we had a totally civil talk the last time this person showed up, so..
>>81073622
people would pick an oc of theirs to go, there's already izzy from ennuigo
and the host could be elaine, the oc of the person that had the idea
You have to remember that comics is a visual medium. It’s not about telling, but about showing. In addition to facial expressions, it’s important to know body language. How a character presents himself is largely part of whether or not your readers will take the character to be real. If a character is cheerful, show them walking upright and smiling. If a character is grumpy, have them slouch and give them a frown.
Ah, you'd think i'd be more careful about cutting myself on that EDGE. Srsly, I have been working on this page forever and I am tired all the time. If only i didn't need money for my crippling addiction to food.
Also I should probably put the comic link in the watermark when I am done
>>81073724
are you serious? they weren't rude at all. it's a valid comment. lots of people have problems with anatomy - there's also lots of artists who still need to work on their foundations. it's not really an insult - more like a "you are here."
>>81073743
just saying, there are more constructive criticisms than ''I would love this with better artwork''
I mean people are doing the best their can, so its kind of shitty to focus on the parts in which they are lacking
>>81074272
maybe i didnt phrase it the best, but as i mentioned before i believe i've talked with this artist before and showed a lot of interest in it. and they in turn showed interest in improving, so i was basically asking how that process is going
This week on the Sisters: Bad times.
http://thesisters-comic.com/
Tapastic is having system errors.
Next week: Last update of this issue. The Lies was a short one, meant to lead directly into The Truth on the act break that is next week.Violence deep down in the worst of them will take root.
How's everyone?
>>81060595
>Unannounced Hiatus
I'll give it two weeks without contact. Sometimes things happen, but people like to talk about themselves nowadays; and charity can easily come from viewers if you've got bad news to spill.
So two weeks without notice before I sort of forget about it. But it doesn't take me any issue to keep something in a favorites folder, so it isn't like I can't resume at some point.
>>81074116
Edge can be fun when used sparingly.
>>81072066
Those 100 pages are intangible if not given form. You could be a great actor, but if you don't get up on the stage it's all just potential. Theoretical. You can do it.
Also I'd advise doing it sooner rather than later, because you'll grow to want to fix things you've written once you see how people look at your work.
>>81074673
>Tapastic is having system errors.
still? jesus.
those faces in panel 6 are goddamn priceless. what is erin's problem anyway. I mean, what is, like, 40 percent or so of her problem. The rest I get.
That last bit though. fucking nice. she's a great actress. I appreciate it when a story doesn't have to resort to bad acting for us to understand lying is happening.
I actually thought Peebs was saying 'walk away' at first, and it made it even funnier
>>81074673
>contact/notice
Heyy that's a good point. It's different if you say something. Look at ol' Kazerad. he SAYS something at least.
>>81074788
>What is Erin's Problem.
By Erin's reckoning, Beatrice had their youngest sister break into her boyfriend's house with her friends to steal something. Which is super illegal and looks really bad when you're a school teacher; not to mention when it is your boyfriend they robbed.
She's also not very happy with Beatrice stripping; way way way back in issue 1, Erin asks her if she can pick up booze when she's done with whatever it is she's doing; and at the end Erin suspects Beatrice is either dealing drugs or fucking people for money. They don't have a lot of communication going on between them.
There's also on some level the fear that it is probably true. She probably wouldn't have read it all if Jam didn't point out that they've known Connor for like, three weeks. Spring break, week of the funeral, and now this week. So like, barely three weeks. And Erin's spent a lot of time with him.
And Erin's been alone for a bit. The last guy she was with was Handsome Dan, and she punched him in the dick. And before that it was Scott, because he thought it was a pre-op situation. And before that it was someone else who will crop up later.
And it isn't like her siblings respect her, or anyone in the society really seems to like her. She's very isolated and busy.
So there's certainly a lot of anger that they're trying to poison her one vice away from being a young woman forced to be the head of a family far before her time. Her one vice that isn't alcohol.
It is really the whole felony part and Beatrice doing something violent and stupid that ruins things that pisses her off. It is part of their nature, and the fact that now Jam's getting poisoned by it is really bad.
Beatrice's bad nature is really only established in a Jam context, namely with Beatrice blowing off Jam's concerns a lot, and having Jam kill something and then not explaining it; and then stealing their car while they were at a wake.
Erin's in a bad place. She really needs the lie.
>>81075140
yeah if i thought someone was drugging or whoring, i'd be relieved they were stripping. baffled that anyone would pay to see that but whatever.
>fear she's probably right
aahhh yes! that's a good point. that shit has turned me into a yelling asshole more than once.
>needs the lie
well i meant her lying to him, but yeah. wait, have i.. oh well i'll just wait and see
lazy wip as i slowly try to get things moving, i feel that i always put in too much text so i'll probably cut it down
>>81074095
is this someone false flagging the artist? or does this retard seriously post here?
>>81075225
Oh I meant, she needed the lie in the context that she really didn't want to believe what's going on. It'd have been nicer to just have things be as they are, because it beats the return to status quo where she's got nothing but a stripper for a sister and a kid in high school who won't give her any respect.
>relieved that they were stripping.
It'll make more sense once we're given context as to who their parents were with them; but they were really supposed to live up to their potential. Erin's the closest thing to that and she's a failure, stuck teaching at public school and hoping she gets tenure.
Beatrice strips, hangs out with a cop, and Craigwho runs a gym and does A/V stuff on the side to support his ghosthunting hobby, and dropped out of college. Which we'll get into more later.
Jam's a C+ student, with those marks hung up on the fridge.
They could be a lot more than what they are, and the fact that they're not is something important. And not something more in a "super magical hero" sense, but in a burdened by life sense. Erin can't flourish because she has to be the "mom", and Beatrice made mistakes she can't unmake and hasn't recovered; Jam is new and she might learn better. She's already learned magic isn't fun and games like she thought; and that she is a danger to her friends.
But human beings figure things out, and they either adapt or die.Erin lying to Conrad is her starting to live up to her potential, but that's something you'll see in time.Which is funny, because we actually have those pages done. But those are for next week.
>>81075343
I'd change panel 1 to: "Who cares! Unless you've got some proof of your epic heroism, I'm out of here." Or something like that. Little less wordy, but I'm one to talk.
>>81075459
oh yeah i forgot about their cultist parents. they did seem a bit higher class didnt they, the type who would have expectations.
i just got the impression from the very first thing you showed us (something with a beach) that these girls were trailer trash through and through. maybe that says more about me.
>>81075612
Yeah, there's that sort of bottom barrel aspect to them. But their parents did own a beach house, and property, and a Winnebago. They were a bit upper crust in their own sordid way.
These are things that'll come to the forefront eventually. But I can see how there's a trailer trash aspect to them; but it's mostly from the broken home, alcoholism, lies and deceit; rather than finances. Though Erin's making dick as a teacher and owning that house isn't helping her taxes; neither are her legal guardian responsibilities to Jam. It's not an ideal situation.
Thank you for your interest mate, always fun to talk about this stuff we haven't gotten to bring forward yet.
Reposting this rough draft from last thread..
>>81075736
that fucking picture. every time. so cute.
and yeah i've only recently found out how much homeownership fucks up taxes. nice going government, keep punishing people for success
but even if being someone's guardian costs money, at least you get tax breaks for a dependent. that's something.
>>81075775
this is pretty accurate 2008 i can tell you that. i'm gettin a cute peanuts vibe here. is this related to the musicians comic?
adelaide is fucking hilarious. btw typically it's 'whacks' with an h
i love the kind of typo fixes i do in these threads
>don't worry, she's got two!
>the entirety of page 14
my siiiides. good shit dude.
>>81075775
God bless your quality slice of life, I love these guys already. Adelaide seems like a fun character.
>>81075876
Peanuts! I'm honored... Adelaide is definitely Lucy inspired. Also it is - that comic is a 'prequel' to the Star Valley/2008 stuff so I could figure out how to write Oliver.
>>81075931
Thanks!
Also also Star Valley is more scifi/horror than than what I've posted so far online and I am really excited to see how it goes over.
>>81076485
>horror/sci-fi
You had my interest, now you've got my curiosity. Getting a "Brick" vibe given the setting and the characters we've seen elsewhere. Between LmlaA and 2008, I'm interested in how this will hit that genre. I wish you luck there.
Also, where would Star Valley take place chronologically? Is Oliver an adult hanging out with high schoolers?
Still settling on Spider mama design. Re-wrote the main character's humble beginnings to something a little more selfish.
working on some buffer for my comics.twitch_tv/fruitscs1/
ideas, suggestions, or just chat
>>81076485
was not expecting horror
>ah wash mah self with a rag on a stick.. using mah tentacle arm
oh lawd
>>81076760
whoa, so expressive
you know i dig the businesslady motif, but I feel like her hair is solidly '80s japanese businessman' as it is now. If there's a way to soften that frontal spike and maybe adjust her hairline I think that will do you some good. the sides are perfect as they are.
>>81076782
Why do his head look like dick?
Do all Asian people have dick heads? Sorry, I am alien that is spying on your planet.
>>81077078
Go back to posting the retard cat comics.
>>81076555
lmlaa takes place June 2007, Star Valley takes place summer 2008. Bryson and Adelaide are middle schoolers about to begin high school, Marsha, Bryson's sister, is about to start her senior year. Oliver is 20.
Adelaide and Bryson find Oliver in a dumpster, beat up, fishy, and unable to recall anything before June 2007. Adelaide lets him borrow her cellphone and he calls Luke, who hands the phone off to an Oliver who tells him not to call back again. Since he's been replaced and disfigured, Oliver has no option but to become the secret charge of Adelaide and Bryson until they can figure out who has taken his place and why... which ends up unraveling into a decades old conspiracy involving a dead mall and the city's most beloved landmark: The Magic Seas.
>>81077155
so you did a prequel comic first, to flesh out who a character is, then gave him amnesia about it? some part of me wants to say that's a dick move. not so much to the audience, but like, to oliver.
okay this comic is hella behind (i have updated once a week this month. that is sad. it's writer's block's fault partly though) but i'm finally coloring this page
what color should this thing be?
>>81077426
What environment does it live in?
>>81077746
lakes.
so far i'm making it a pale kinda ghostly purple. i want it to be nice and visible against this blue lake and sky.
though the more i look at the sketch the better it looks in pale-ass blue. fuck maybe that's the best..
>>81077837
Given that, a dark blue mottled with green and white would look pretty cool.
>>81077857
totally would. but would be invisible. maybe next time. especially if i ever do a proper picture of this as a standalone.. definitely will be mottled. thanks for that.
>>81077152
>Go back to posting the retard cat comics.
>retard cat comics.
That is a good idea! I will call it "Cat goes to the mall X3"
>>81077267
lmlaa is the last stuff he remembers well. he remembers some other things afterward, but they're fairly vague to him - that's where Marsha comes in to help decode. Also Marsha has a car.
>>81076872
Thanks, I'll give that a shot.
First page of 5pg update
http://cosmic-tales.tumblr.com/page/5
at this rate I'll have the april fools day comic done by mid-june.. oy. why do comics take so long now
>>81060595
One month. Then I know it's dead in the water.
>>81078687
Comics is easy but demanding. Also, I like how your spear girl likes going commando.
>>81077078
with the proper head shape and hair type, bowl cuts look like dicks. some are natural born dickheads
>>81078869
yeah dude Sasha doesn't give any fucks about downstairs coverage. pantsu would get shredded when she fully or partially werewolfs out anyway
>>81077426
He needs a theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaSpZ_2OZRQ
>>81079333
There's just something about crayfish. The last time I made up a hybrid crayture, an artist took it as his new avatar and drew me some nudes of all the characters. pretty damn good and funny ones.
Pg9 bump
ker-bump
I know it's holding me back from putting my stuff out there, but I feel I should soley improve on my fundamentals before creating a comic. I lurk these threads a lot to see what you guys are working on and I'm always very impressed how you don't think about "Am I good enough?" and just draw. You guys are my main inspiration and motivation to keep going. Stay awesome and produce more comics, /hyw/! One day I'll join your ranks.
>>81084597
>you don't think about "Am I good enough?" and just draw.
You'd be surprised. Those sort of thoughts kept me down for years.
This is just an anecdote, but I feel that I've improved more in the two years since I managed to mostly get over that question and get off my ass, art-wise than I did in the five before that.
"Am I good enough" can easily turn into a distraction or an excuse to avoid going outside of your comfort zone.
Do you really think it would slow your progress to try implementing those fundamentals you're trying to improve in a comics context as you're learning?
>>81084597
It took me years of before I made and posted a comic on here. I've been talking about my webcomic in art threads here since 2011 and about to launch it in 2016 because I finally feel like I'm competent enough to draw it.
Bamps.
Working on costume design for chapter 2
>>81084597
Webcomics have a ridiculously low bar for entry. Just look at Dewd's early stuff. There's no way you're worse than him.
>>81085101
> to avoid going outside of your comfort zone.
So you think you build a habit of having anatomy studies and life drawings (for example) be your comfort zone? I always felt I really had to get out there and deliberately practice this stuff. I always felt comics, as I drew them, where in my comfort zone.
>slow your progress to try implementing those fundamentals you're trying to improve in a comics
No, I don't think so, but I have a job and thus not much time. Regularily drawing pages is one thing, pages and studies another. Maybe I could combine it, no I most certainly could - but I'd like to be able to do rather quick drawings. It helps a lot if you can sketch a character pose in 2 minutes instead of 20. And I was spending that much time on single poses in single panels. (And that was just the underlying sketch!)
So yeah, I rather produce another few hundret shitty drawings before I work at my comic. I also miss a lot of the conceptual design, especially enviromental design, that's why I'm studying landscapes and wilderness at the moment.
>>81085384
Out of interest - who are you?
>>81089137
Does it matter? Maybe I'm better, maybe I'm worse. Another comic's quality should NEVER be your reason to post or not post your work, because there will always be people ahead of you as well as behind you. (Also you're being rude to the Dewd. Please draw a quick sketch of Annabeth for mas- compensation!)
>>81089137
Just because the bar is low doesn't mean you should settle for less than the best you can do
>>81087492
i like it. kind of a princess zelda virgin mary look. is that a toe ring?
>>81089975
>Another comic's quality should NEVER be your reason to post
I used a combination of spritecomics and megatokyo to convince me i could do a comic
I've had a major issue in most of my life underestimating how easy things are and choosing to keep my expression to myself. if i had had more confidence i'd be a huge letsplayer making all the money right now.
>>81089975
>So you think you build a habit of having anatomy studies and life drawings (for example) be your comfort zone
Differen't anon, but yeah. Practice/study is a potential comfort zone for me.
There's nothing at stake when I practice and it is something I should be doing, too, so I can feel good about it.
>>81089975
>So you think you build a habit of having anatomy studies and life drawings (for example) be your comfort zone?
Well, once you're in the habit of it doing that, you can avoid a lot of unpleasant feelings (fear of failure, having to learn new skills like page composition or lettering) by never actually getting started on your comic proper and just studying and studying subjects you're already used to studying.
If you're putting out pages regularly, that tends to leave you with a much better idea of what needs to improve (and IME, it's much better motivation because you have more concrete goals - it's one thing to draw a bunch of hands because hands are hard and you know abstractly that you need to be good at them, it's another to draw a bunch of hands because this page needs a close-up of someone picking up a rock or it won't work in the story).
>>81076872
Something like this maybe?
![2c77e92852[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ol76Wfq.jpg "2c77e92852[1].jpg")
>>81090858
Yeah, it's a toe ring(s). Apparently they found a viking age priestess or witch wearing 'em in her grave, although nobody's sure of the significance.
Zelda and Mary, eh? Not quite what I'm going for. Maybe add some more witchy accessories like pouches or some little animal bones with runes on 'em.
Should I make the white face makeup more obvious? I want her to look a little ominous and imposing, but I don't want everybody thinking "why's KISS suddenly in this viking comic"?
>>81060595
I don't have a comic but I have a crappy animation done, project was basically thrown together from some adlibbed dialogue and a bare concept, was my first attempt at animation. Will post link if anyone's interested
>>81092086
yes that's basically more what i was imagining. the front spike goes downward so it's more like bangs than a pompadour thing
I still feel like I wanna change something here but I can't think of what exactly...
>>81092527
Definitely go more obvious with the makeup, add some distinctly bluish shadows and/or make it stop abruptly on her neck
yeah i dunno man their priestess garb is pretty ... pretty. not very witchy. not much you can do about that and still stay culturally accurate. best just have another character remark on how it looks to them
>>81092609
cant see why not,. sequential art is sequential art
>>81092712
>>81092086
Water break
>>81092796
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KpykAEmtQkY
Looking back, I wish I didn't add dialogue
>>81092860
aww. she looks kinda grandma-ish now but that'll work.
>>81092949
reminds me of a lot of flash 'escape' games i've played. the voices are thoroughly unintelligible, which ... kinda adds to it. Gives it a Black Moon feel.
>>81092860
I really can't get over how much those central four eyes look like a mustache.
>>81093091
Thanks anon, I'm glad the voices sorta worked out in a way
I was thinking of doing more flash animations, maybe something without dialogue this time
>>81093189
Hm, maybe I'll change that up a bit.
>>81093189
funny I was thinking the chelicerae looked like a moustache
>>81093413
They aren't helping.. I don't know any spiders who have their eyes arranged that way. The two regular ones, the two above them, sure.. that's dead on. but usually if you have any more eyes, they're positioned zora style on the sides, giving you a more panoramic view.
![spider+eyes[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/6Dg2RJY.png "spider+eyes[1].png")
>>81093487
I can kinda see it if he's going for something like a wolf spider, but it doesn't really work on a more humanoid face.
>>81093540
Yeah she was supposed to kind of like a wolf spider, but I suppose she doesn't need to have those eyes.
>>81093540
oh somehow I never noticed those on wolf spiders. fuck me, now that I see it I recognize that.
yeah maybe if she resembled the nursery web spiders more, the other eyes would look like cute cheek spots
>>81093586
The current configuration might still work if you just pulled out the little eyes so the two outermost wer directly beneath her major eyes, rather than under where you'd expect a nose.
>>81093688
yeah. I'll play around a bit with that.
>>81093589
One of the reasons I made her a giant wolf spider was because of their maternal instincts.
>>81093688
I spread them out a bit here.
>>81093998
>Definitely not getting as much of a mustache vibe now. Maybe make the biggest eyes a little smaller and pull the smallest eyes upwards a tad, but otherwise it seems fine.
>>81093899
oh yeah the wolfspiders are good moms arent they. they carry the eggsphere around with them
>>81093998
okay now i'm imagining her voiced by angela lansbury. tops.
>>81094349
Alright, this'll be the last one I post.
sadly can't seem to get this up on tapastic
I feel like I'm getting away with something for every hour it's not up...
>>81094996
That's a really neat effect in panel 4.
>>81094867
spidermom is best mom
i feel like i wish chochi had been here. my advice is only a fraction as good as that would be.
>>81094996
getting away with something?
dude this storyline. dude. harro. dude. i have never seen a comic do this. i can't wait to see where it goes. I actually briefly thought I had messed up reading it because of the repeating part
>>81092770
Eh, the scene isn't really set so that I can do so - but on the other hand, it's not really set so that the audience needs to know the specifics, only that it's some eerie ritualistic stuff.
Tried some stuff, but I think I gotta go do something else for a bit. Thankfully I've got plenty of time.
>>81095411
yep, this is definitely getting creepier now.
These are exactly the suggestions i was going to make (more ragged, more dark and gray) but I assumed that was off the table
>>81095097
thanks!
>>81095286
yeah, I've built up a strong buffer of guilt that makes sure I meet deadlines. In this case it's out of my hands, but that guilt is still there?
Also, thank you! I have so many strange places I want to take this comic to- in fact I've felt like I haven't had a chance to really spread its wings yet.
Comics like "kill six billion demon's" Just make me realize how high the ceiling is- We can literally make *anything happen* in our own comics. (As long as you come up with a halfway convincing reason for that thing to happen anyways-!)
>>81095826
i've never associated the glee of getting away with something with guilt.. hmm
>>81095826
also i constantly confuse you with the six billion demons person because demon in the title
so you have that at least
also you're both great
I've come up with an idea and I want to know if it's shit, and what I could do to make it not shit.
Sorry about the shitty picture by the way, I haven't got round to scanning any drawings yet - I just sketched this together quick.
>A guy and his mechanic friend pitch in together and buy a motorcycle, because they want to be professional racers
>They go down to their local track for a qualifier race into the 1983 UltraBike World Championship
>By some stroke of luck they not only qualify for the series, thanks to a couple of interactions before the race the pair of them get signed to a racing team
>However, at their first UltraBike GP they discover that the team they've joined is involved with the organiser of UltraBike, and they use it as a cover to travel around the world and stop evil
>They have to juggle saving the world and pursuing their dreams of being world champions
>>81060595
>first page done
I feel so accomplished.
okay, working through my classic-comic-style parody ideas for april fools day.
got peanuts, garfield, dilbert, boondocks, archie, marmaduke, and one big happy.. i still need one more, but calvin and hobbes or heathcliff wouldnt really work. too distinct or requiring an animal to be really recognizable. suggestions?
>>81096474
>the picture
oh man, reminds me of classic NES games
>1983
AWESOME
>the rest of the plot
... i'm sorry man but that sounds like what happens when lower-end superhero cartoons want sports-celebrities to guest star, and make out that theyre secret superheroes with sports-themed powers. can you walk me through how this works maybe? Exactly how do they fight crime? with motorcycles? Why do they think they're qualified? is this one of the reasons they were inducted so quickly into the team? how does the REST of the team juggle those two tasks?
I mean I love the 80s but 'have motorcycle and good at riding it' doesnt quite work anymore as a crimefighting theme. Maybe if it had a bunch of gadgets, but then i'm just imagining "oh no, they went inside a building" Nightboat shenanigans
>>81096778
Beetle Baily, or Hagar the Horrible.
>>81096924
ohh hell yeah that is one distinctive art style. definitely. you can all go home now, i'm choosing that one
... and in fact, I don't have any characters who have anything valid to say as dilbert characters, so i may swap that for family circus.
>>81096868
>>the rest of the plot
Yeah, I know. Honestly I'm struggling beyond "hey, I wanna do something about 80's motorcycle racing".
Alternatively, I might do a story similar to Talledega Nights, where you have two idiots that out of nowhere get good at racing and have to cope with suddenly becoming superstars
>>81097043
i think there might be something in between the two. Let's brainstorm it.. what else can you accomplish on motorcycles that's more interesting than just racing, but more plausible than fighting crime...
..... hunting? hunting dangerous game? mutants maybe?
Spoopy fleshbeast time!
http://vigormortis.co.uk/
>>81097082
>Nuclear war happened in the mid-80's
>Everyone's stuck with late-70's and early-80's shit
>They have to ride around the remains of England and avoid weird mutated monster thingsOr is this too Mad Max?
>>81097084
Well I mean as spoopy things go, fleshbeasts are mildly preferable to non-flesh beasts.
>>81097179
yeah i feel like apocalypses are overdone. but what I miss was the old 80s "there are mutants around because someone didnt clean up their toxic waste" premise. society's still up, but it's crumbly robocop-level, so that anyone with motorcycles and guns can do a lot of good
>>81097084
BITCHIN
>>81097514
Oh shit, this sounds good. So you have the lower-income districts and every so often some kind of monster will just come up out of the sewer so a motorcycle gang runs around stopping them because the authorities don't give a shit about those people.
>>81097569
and it can still be an elite team if you want, i could actually see that. and they do races on the side. that's a bit more plausible I think. they might even have secret government funding
because if monsters are fast and shit, and run down alleys and whatnot, motorcycles are the ideal way to take them out
>>81097611
This sounds pretty fucking rad to me, I think I'll use it - if it's alright to basically nick your ideas?
God DAMMIT. there is no comic #866
that's gonna take a little while to fix
>>81097674
you mayn't have noticed it but you consistently went in different directions from my ideas at every turn. that's what's so great about a little creative nudge. It really was all your idea, you just bounced off of mine slightly. Have fun!
>>81097865
Use in-story time-travel shenanigans to explain its absence
>>81098318
fuck, they WERE back in time at the time.... maybe I can...
no but the current 865 and 867 follow each other directly. there's no, like, room.. can't do a 'lost one'
and 866 isnt a funny enough number to just say someone stole it. unless maybe..
oh god and if i fix it i have to change the title colors for a page too. dammit. i'm gonna think about this.
>>81098462
Are there no side characters you can focus on for 866, characters who weren't involved in 865/867?
>>81098550
fraid not. it goes directly from 'kaen's dad gives him boots' to 'kaen's dad introduces himself because it's the past and he doesnt know them yet'
I could sort of TRY to say something happened in the meantime, and he was so embarrassed that #866 was canceled to save face.
or for that matter I could say it was happening elsewhere (technically the original comic was happening at the time)
... actually.. I do have an idea. it's pretty stupid but it might work. I wasn't sure what to do with this other consequence of time travel...
okay I'm gonna not fix it... for now. and I might jump BACK a number later, that way at least the totals are right
>>81098657
oh twice, i just thought of something brilliant. thank you anon. and also my friend that i talked to who suggested something similar. for once me being anal is NOT going to win out, instead something else.
>>81079333
>Actually pronouncing it "crayfish" instead of crawfish.
Northerners please go.
>>81099115
no problem, I was eager to help because I know I'd probably feel the same way if I was in your position
>>81099220
crayfish, crawdad
no crawfish or craydads
This took a FUCKTON to tome to ink because of how cluttered the house is... I'm mostly happy with how it came out since I hadn't really drawn a house's interior for more than a couple of panels since chapter 1.
>How long can an unannounced hiatus can last before you drop the comic?
I guess about two months... but seriously, why do an "unannounced hiatus" at all? Everyone always has access to the internet nowadays, there's NO REASON why you couldn't warn your audience and perhaps give a time estimate for the hiatus
>>81074673
>How's everyone?
Great, I had to slow down my comic production in the past month because I had to focus on work, but it paid off in the end and now I'm getting back to my regular pace. That also gave me time to think on the direction I want to take it; since I definitely want to take a break from "monster of the week" after this arc
Also, caught up with The Sister's recently (Finished "The Secrets"). Jam's and her group of friends are definitely my favorite part., I feel they complement each-other's personalities. Also I somehow didn't expect Jam to have girl friends, especially not such a girly girl; but like I said, I like the trio a lot.
>>81084597
>I'm always very impressed how you don't think about "Am I good enough?" and just draw.
Nobody starts their webcomic as a 10/10; once you start drawing a webcomic, you'll actually force yourself to improve constantly
>>81095411
Looks real nice! Is she wearing a wig anyhow or is this for some flashback scene? Anyhow, I'm guessing you must be SUPER-DUPER exited to finally introduce the rest of the cast after... a year and a half, was it?
>>81100167
god that looks like it took forever. good job dude. the different line thicknesses really work.
>Have everything plotted out for a webcomic
>Have decent drawing skills, enough that you believe nobody is gonna shit on you for your skills
>Have the characters designs down, and have actual personalities.
>Everything is planned out completely,except for how to actually start the story
Goddammit I really hate this. Does anyone else feel like this is a problem for them?
I'd love to just start it off with random slice of life shit but it wouldn't work out with the comic I'm planning
>>81101210
>have very rough skeleton for story, missing a few bones but whatever
>have mediocre drawing skills, enough that plenty of people are gonna shit on me
>have designs down for a few of the characters, everyone else will be filled in eventually
>""""most"""" things are planned out
>know exactly where to start
>>81101210
starts can be tough for several reasons. fear of commitment, not wanting to make a mistake with lasting consequences, hoping you don't forget something or (gasp) think of a better starting point later..
if you really think you cant just start in medias res (not everyone can) and go back and do the flashback later, then why don't you tell us a little about it, and we can suggest a beginning.
>>81100167
That's a pretty sweet interior for realz. Maybe a little more ostentatious than I'd expect from a simple fisherman and his wife, living alone?
It's probably good for Gwyn to learn all the effort that goes into making bread from scratch, seeing as she's used to just taking food as tribute from the humans.
>is she wearing a wig anyhow or is this for some flashback scene?
Well, not exactly either but kind of both. An explanation you didn't consider is that she grew her hair out in between chapters.But this is completely not the case
>you must be SUPER-DUPER exited to finally introduce the rest of the cast
Well, this next chapter does introduce some new characters, but a lot of the ones I like are pretty much just background characters that don't get any speaking lines for a long while yet, if ever (my original idea for Carrion Girls was a lot more slice-of-life comedy and much of the cast, like most everyone in pic related, don't have much of a place in the current version except as recurring extras. Hopefully they'll get a chance to shine in the half-page intermissions and omake stuff.). I think I have, like, three characters total show up that are gonna be important to the actual overarching story in this chapter.
>>81095455
Nah, nah, this one doesn't need to be in valkyrie colors. I'm gonna want to keep a lot of blue in there for reasons, but I was thinking of having earthy tones or maybe even black instead of white to contrast better with Skeggöld's usual uniform.
>>81102013
Where's the bitch with the long nose?
>>81102013
lookin forward to rota and even moreso to skogul.
when i hear witchy robes, i instantly think dull earthy clay colors. as if like, 'even brown is too lively'
>>81102255
Skalmöld's not on that chart because it's one I made to keep track of the minor characters. Not a place to put the deuteragonist.
>>81102277
Skögul's actually got a super important (if incredibly minor) role in the next chapter.
I feel you on the witch, but I don't want to make it too dull - A, because it's a fairly high-class witch's outfit, like one who the community trusts with their supernatural shenanigan deterrents, and B, because the scene's already got a lot of brown in it.
>>81102656
righto. i feel like an important respected witch would be the one in glossy black robes. but that's viewed through modern eyes.
what youve chosen here though, this works. i dig it.
>>81103208
Nah, I think "glossy black" would be more than just high class to vikings, it'd be a king's personal magic advisor or something. Good black dye that didn't smear all over was super expensive for a long time, comparable to imported silks (actually a lot of reenactor's guides and archaeological studies I can find claim that black just wasn't a color clothes could have at the time - but if nothing else, wouldn't you be able to just find some naturally black sheep and take their wool? Maybe they were just talking about on more expensive fabrics like linen).
>>81104207
interesting. they had trouble getting black yet blue was no problem. it's neat how that kinda thing varies depending on place and time
Finished this page
>>81104678
I really think you'd benefit from redoing the fourth panel with proper care to perspective, Dewd. The bendy stuff is making it lose a lot of impact.
>>81105899
Oh, I accidentally miscounted my panels when I was doing the line art, I thought the fifth panel was the forth, whoops.
But yeah, there's now way I can fix that now, that took the better hour of my evening to draw that, maybe someday when I draw a gun again.
>>81106024
oh, so when I said something similar to >>81105899 's post last time and you said youd look at it, you actually redid the third instead?
oh well, miscommunication happens I guess.
>>81106132
Wait, what did you want me to do?
Because I only added a backdrop on to the third panel.
starting to redesign some characters that'll turn up later, might change his clothes for worse stuff later because he's supposed too dress terribly.
I always told myself I would never get a tumblr. What other free sites are good for hosting your webcomic on?
>>81106235
well i explained something about drawing a straight line, perhaps on another layer, and trying to align the gun to that
Finished the first 3 pages. What do you guys think?
>>81106641
>>81106654
And that's all I have.
>>81106556
Oh yeah that.
Probably was the third panel.
>>81106512
smackjeeves or tapastic is the other sites i use other than tumblr, but tapastic has a weird layout i couldn't get so i stopped using it, but thats just me
>>81104618
Well, not "no problem" - blue was made with woad, which IIRC wasn't domesticated at the time in Scandinavia and didn't grow wild in a lot of places. There's no shortage of it in the archaeology (usually from people buried in their sunday best, mind you), but it seems to have been a fairly expensive color, which might be why Odin's described as wearing a blue cloak (the reason I made it the main color of the valkyrie uniform).
I probably shouldn't be up discussing viking age dyeing techniques at this hour. Have a something with Róta. She's not good at humans.
>>81106866
>It's not like the kid's gonna get less dead if I don't eat him
My sides were not prepared for that
>Spent entire day without drawing an entire line cause I got high and couldn't find my pen.
>>81106676
i'm actually kinda interested
>>81106717
well next time be more careful. it really would have benefitted from some redoing. oh well
>>81106866
>>81106906
cant disagree with that!
>>81107044
>been high the whole day and worked on my comic the entire time
sometimes i'm having a perfectly good day and suddenly i remember pictures for sad children and what john campbell did to that comic and my day is basically ruined for the rest of the day
>>81107731
>tfw I'm losing motivation cause i'm bad at background art and cant draw 1 character correctly.
>>81107787
Don't start your comic yet, man. Buy a big sketch book and fill it to the brim with drawings first. If you're happy with what you see by the end of it, start your comic. If not, buy another and start again. You'll get there one day if you keep practicing. I'd also suggest doing lots of tracing and sketching other art styles you like. It'll really help you to develop your own style.
>>81107747
shit that motivates me. i mean EVERYBODY knows that guy's name and he's a tosser. sets the bar low.
>>81107129
>i'm actually kinda interested
Good to hear!
So Happy! I finally finish with the drawing and coloring.
Now, I need to copy and paste the dialogue that I wrote in word 2020.
just got home from a 24hr shift at work
i have no energy and i want to make comics so bad but my job consumes me and i feel like i'm dying inside
>>81109805
where do you work?
>>81109805
sleep you idiot
>>81073531
Sup Dustin, how're things goin? Been wanting to do some art of your character for a while now.
>>81073730
Always nice to see this little cutie.
>>81074116
Nothing wrong with a little edge here and there. So long as it's not overdone, and over the top. I really like your color work man.
>>81076782
Glad to see you going forward with your ghost cat idea. Looking forward to more.
>>81094996
I started reading your comic on Tapastic. Really great stuff! Need to catch up.
>>81097084
Holy shit that's kick ass!
I'm finally happy to be finishing up this flashback. Been dying to start up the next chapter.here's a little preview of the main villain.
>>81112411
good to see you're still kicking, too.
>>81109805
>just got home from a 24hr shift at work
what kind of fucking job is this
>>81114495
Maybe he's a doctor at a hospital? But why'd you waste your time on comics with a job like that?
>>81115680
Yeah, what kind of doctor decides to be a comic artist?
>>81115680
saving lives is just a way to pay the bills. drawing furry cheesecake comics is where his true calling lies
Update! What do you guys think?
>>81116792
Awesome! Im digging the artwork too
>>81116792
Something missing and im really trying to figure out what. Try gradients or coloring your lines
>>81100308
Thanks, it's frustrating as hell when you move onto another plane and forget to change the line thickness.
>>81102013
>Maybe a little more ostentatious than I'd expect from a simple fisherman and his wife, living alone?
That'll sort of be explained in the next page;The fisherman actually think VERY highly of himself and his family history; Lore-wise the people who live around that region tend to BELIEVE they're all decedents of the fairy nobility intermarrying with native humans before those had discovered iron. He even dresses in a similar fashion as the Dullahan's clan (though those clothes are just based on medieval Irish clothing)
Hope Thögh is one of the three you mentioned,she's q.t.
Is it socially acceptable to have your comic hosted on multiple sites?
>>81120206
Until you get more well known and can put together your on professional site, it would be really dumb to not host on multiple sites.
>>81120206
>>81120326
>Splitting your readerbase.
No, don't do that.
>>81120641
That's not what it is at all though.
>Host comic on comicfury, where there is a different crowd
>Host comic on Smackjeeves, where there is a different crowd
>Host comic on DA, where there is a different crowd
>Etc.
>>81120687
Out of interest what are the "etc"'s? IE what other sites are good to host a comic on
>>81121935
I'm looking into Tapastic right now. I've also heard people say that you can use wordpress, but as a previous wordpress user myself, I can say that'd be absurdly annoying.
>>81107940
Ive been drawing for 17 years and I'm still garbage. Ive never really done backgrounds for my doodles.
>>81116792
your stuff always kicks serious ass
>>81115680
maybe he's a groin-shaver at a mediterranean hospital. Might have gotten through three whole patients
>>81116792
i love how despite being a capecomic with familywhatnot, the design aesthetic is more japanese-fighting-gamey. that is so.. welcome.
oh fuck i forgot to credit you for Rakshasa's new costume. >>81078687 took major inspiration from miss melee's christmas outfit.
>>81120687
why would these sites have a 'crowd'
you can access them all on the same computers
>>81127594
because not everyone uses the same sites so by being on loads you show people who wont have seen your comic, which increases your viewership when you switch to your own site
>>81127704
Alternatively, they don't migrate and you lose everything. Advertising with art and sketches and snippets on Twitter, Tumblr and DA can be smart, but hosting the full comics on multiple sites can be to your detriment.
>>81128363
yeah but its better than putting all your eggs in one basket and if people care enough about the comic the majority would migrate.
>>81127704
>not everyone uses the same sites
pretty sure they do. you go to google, you enter in the comic's name, you find it.
or you go to a comic listing site like belfry or topwebcomics and look up the categories you want
nobody enters URLs anymore, they don't give two fucks about what site something's hosted on
>>81127704
I tried this for an extended period of time, using Tapastic to funnel viewers to my site. I had it running for a couple of months and I only had one verifiable clickthrough to my site from Tapastic. It really just doesn't work. Get one site and stick with it.
>>81127594
>>81128749
Is this seriously beyond your comprehension, or are you just pretending to be dense as fuck?
Just because they "can" access multiple sites, doesn't mean they necessarily do.
Some people do, sure, but I can guarantee that there are probably more people who don't.
Some people might love Comicfury but hate Smack Jeeves. Some people might forego the comic hosting sites altogether and just host on tumblr. Some people might just post stuff on DA.
Each site has its own communities, and some people just stick with one. Not everyone is going to necessarily go searching out categories and whatnot either. They're going to be looking at their one site, and seeing what's on their one primary site. You can't google a comic you don't know, but you can randomly be searching around the site you're on to find comics you don't know about.
I can tell you that I had a comic on Comic Fury that had 100+ subscribers, and I was also on SmackJeeves with almost 200 subscribers, and I had maybe 5 people that were overlap from both sites. Most of the rest were exclusive to one site or the other.
You can't honestly say that there is 100%, or 90%, or 75% or even 50% overlap. Chances are, the majority of the people aren't the same.
>>81129250
why would anyone give two shits about whether a site is on comicfury or smackjeeves? sites don't have loyalty like that
yeah they have communities in terms of people who have ACCOUNTS on them because they're MAKING something, but viewers don't.
i mean deviantart has the ability to 'watch' someone so you get all their shit in your inbox, but you're not going to tell me these comic hosting sites to. is that what you mean by 'subscribers' or whatever? what even is that?
>>81129312
>but you're not going to tell me these comic hosting sites to. is that what you mean by 'subscribers' or whatever? what even is that?
Uh...yeah. They do. That is exactly what subscribers are. They get updated when you upload a page or add stuff.
What the fuck do you even think the point of subscribers is?
