When Eisenberg was cast as Lex Luthor, there was a huge amount of outrage and hate, but amidst that, there were defenders saying that he could be a pleasant surprise.
Now that we know he was awful, what the fuck were they thinking with that casting?
>>81051379
They wanted to go the Heath Ledger route. Get someone that nobody wanted for the role, and surprise people with their great performance.
It didn't work this time around.
>>81051464
He should have OD then it would have worked
>>81051464
In all seriousness, he comes off as a mocking caricature of fanboyism as chandelled trough Snyder's hatred of his internet critics.
>"You want Bat-Man and Supeman to go punch punch? More punch punch? I give you Doomsday. I give you names of the Justice League. Mmmmm, boys, get it? Because I'm gay, like them trolls that dared diss Snyder."
Why do you even have to ask, are you retarded?
Jessie was cast for something else, but he didn't want it. So they gave him Lex role, so they could pull off a Keaton Batman or Ledger Joker gamble. It was also the most different take on Luthor that's been on screen. And it obviously didn't work.
>>81051543
I mean, he did base his mannerisms on Max Landis, who shit on Man of Steel.
It does seem like the subtext is "Lex Luthor represents all the mean naysayers who don't like my Superman for no reason! That's why he hates Superman for no reason!"
>>81051379
Honestly, I don't know. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he is not the best fit for the character they were trying to portray. A more mature and physically imposing would have been a better fit.
For example, that scene with Senator Finch would have been more tense if he towered over her.
The actor was fine.
If he was just Mark Zuckerberg from the Social Network, he'd have been a fine Lex.
Eisenberg can really pull off the guy who truly thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the room.
But the writing was shit and he got turned into a weird flamboyant Christian
>>81051618
>Max Landis
That makes a frightening amount of sense.
>"Max sounds like Lex, get it?"
I don't think the problem lies with the casting or acting, but with the script and directing. He's probably, after Fishburne, the best actor in the film.
>>81052190
MoS had the same problem (but I haven't seen BvS) it had AMAZING oscar worthy actors who just drool out their lines with no emotion of if they have emotion, its overwrought and hamfisted without any cheese to excuse it.
>>81053173
>it had AMAZING oscar worthy actors
Literally who?
The best was Michael Shannon, but he can't be accused of having no emotion
>>81053217
Not that anon, but Laurence Fishburne, Diane Lane, Greg Kinnear, and Russell Crowe.
>>81053217
Well basically just him lol
His performance was just awful with really bad dialogue
I don't blame Eisenberg for doing a shit job because, seriously, did you watch the movie? No one could salvage that material. He did what he could within the confines set for him. Snyder and Goyer probably told him "you're a flamboyant, pissy, quirky, nihilistic, crazy billionaire manchild who's also threatening", and Eisenberg tried to parcel out just what the fuck the character was even supposed to be and couldn't get it because NOBODY knew what the character was supposed to be except Snyder and Goyer, who have continuously proven themselves to live on an alternate plane of moon logic.
>>81051547
>It was also the most different take on Luthor that's been on screen
It was just as campy as Spacey and Hackman. It was just shittier.
>>81053306
Everyone keeps forgetting that Goyer was kicked out and Terrio was called in.
Not that it seemed to matter anyway. Fuck.
>>81053334
Goyer's sticky fingerprints can be seen through whatever Terrio layered on.
Scripts are never totally abandoned when new writers come on.
They're just patched up.
I mean Jurassic World still had the "military raptor" thing back from like the 2010 version that had human hybrids.
Blockbuster scripts are too focus tested and too designed to ever by discarded entirely.
>>81051379
Honestly I don't fucking know.
I kept holding out hope that he'd surprise us, that his goofy effeminate bullshit was just an act and the calm, collected, sociopathic Lex was going to be revealed at some point... but it never happened.
Easily the second worst decision of the film's production... the first being Snyder.
It could have been great.
>>81053306
>pissy
>>81053306
>pissy
Literally even
It was good casting, I stand by that. He went the wannabe auteur route though and decided to do his own interpretation of the character, based solely on the previous movies and his own preconceptions of Luthor.
On the other hand you have Affleck, a longtime fan of Batman comics, and Momoa and Miller who have read hundreds of issues to prepare for their roles so far. I'd be surprised if Eisenberg picked up even one comic book. There's this stigma guys like him have against comics that makes them think these characters are all in need of "fixing".
If he had played it simply as a young Luthor it could've been good.
>>81053462
I'm still really glad they didn't listen to the memes and cast Cranston. It would have been like casting Idris Elba as Black Panther or Benedict Cumberpatch as Doctor Strange.oh wait
>>81051379
>>81053462
I really like Cranston, but his Lex would've just been S05 Walter White in a suit.
>>81053535
>>81053487
Anyone know of this scene in detail aside from the review? I doubt i'll actually watch BvS anytime soon but I really want to know what happened here.
>>81054521
This.
>>81056350
still would've been an improvement over Lexenberg,
His annoying personality and cruelty fit the tone of the movie. It was terrible, so he was terrible.
>>81054596
I wish Elba was Black Panther.
>>81053306
His characterisation made sense. He was an arrogant would be god that was confronted with a direct sign of his own mediocrity and insignificance. That wouldn't do. That also fits into the angel/demon thing, and why he used his own blood with Doomsday.
Can we all at least agree that his portrayal of Lex was a lot more threatening and interesting than Gene Hackman/Kevin Spacey Lex?
I know everyone wants DCAU Lex more than anything but it's still a step up.
>>81056796
>characterization
Wat
Are you confusing that with symbolism, which was fucking muddled as shit and all over the place?
>>81051464
except ledger was a good actor
eisenshit has been living off zuckerberg credit for years now, keks
>>81051379
I really liked him.
>>81056855
Jeez, people are really desperate to pull some value out of BvS.
>>81056855
Nah man, when fucking CW has a better Lex than you there's no celebrating
>>81057612
nobody likes Hackman though
>>81053377
IIRC, the bat-branding was something from the Darren Aronofsky/Frank Miller Batman (although there it was formed by a ring Bruce wore, so it was more like The Phantom)
>>81053217
>The best was Michael Shannon, but he can't be accused of having no emotion
I think Shannon falls under >>81053173 's purview of "overwrought and hamfisted without any cheese to excuse it"
"I WILL FIND HIM" wasn't threatening or badass. Just unintentionally funny.
>>81057736
Wrong again
>>81051379
He was the best part of the movie, boy.
>>81056855
Hackmen yes, sure. Spacey no. Even Rosenbaum was pretty good at it all things considered. Best case scenario Eisenberg is the third, maybe fourth best.
>>81057736
I'll take Hackman over Eisenburg and I have no idea how anyone could seriously prefer otherwise.
>>81057891
Reeve was GOAT but Hackman was just awful
At least Eisenburg has actual presence
>>81051543
This is literally what I thought after we saw the second trailer. You can also see and hear it in his GREATEST GLADIATOR MATCH IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.
>>81054521
There is actually a video him saying that he picked up the comics but they didn't help. Actually here it is.
https://youtu.be/fDD4kbvCAQ4
>>81051464
why did people think Ledger was a poor choice?
>>81057949
His presence was awful, though. Nails on a chalkboard isn't better than nothing, its worse.
It's sad because I thought it could serve as a reminder that, no, all the techy hipster CEOs from California are NOT your friend, they're just as bad the monolithic 80's businessmen.
>>81056796
...So Doomsday is Superboy?
>>81051379
>Now we know
>>81058036
Because before then he was considered nothing more than a pretty boy whose biggest role was Brokeback Mountain.
>>81058036
because he was famous for being a rom-com star and playing a gay cowboy.
>>81056622The senator says something to Lex about him wanting to import kryptonite saying it was a way to be prepared, it was "You could piss in a jar and call it Grandma's tea(or something like that)".
Then when Superman goes to that trial thingy from the trailers, the senator sees a jar with a label "grandma's tea"
She notices Lex is not there anymore, and then the whole thing blows up
personally I thought eisenberg would make a good young lex luthor after watching the facebook movie, he played a good thinks-he's-smarter-then-everyone-else asshole in that. but that would be limited to flash backs and have some other actor play present day lex.
>>81051379
>cast skinny, short, long haired, high pitched nasally voiced girly man as Lex Luthor
>Lex Luthor
>the frequently depicted as tall, bald, imposing, deep voiced, somewhat muscled or outright fat man
Has there been a worse fucking casting and costume design choice than this, except methhead Joker from the Suicide Squad movie?
>>81059243
Miles Teller as Reed Richards?
who would you have play Lex Luthor?
>>81051379
>what the fuck were they thinking with that casting?
They were thinking they'd cast Michael Cera, the guy from Zombieland and Kick-Ass.
>>81059517
You think Scott Pilgrim would have made a better Lex?
>>81059243
Nick Cage as Johnny Blaze
Wes Bentley as Blackheart
Jennifer Garner as Elektra
Blake Lively as Carol Ferris
The entire Jonah Hex cast
Topher Grace as Venom
>>81059582
That is not even close to what anon was saying.
>>81059582
It's a joke that people mix up Eisenjew, Cera, and Johnson all the time, senpai.
>>81058036
He was mostly known as a romcom pretty boy with goofy movies like The Brothers Grimm and 10 Things I Hate about You on his resume.
Sure, there's stuff like Brokeback and Candy on his resume, but he hadn't yet shaken the mainstream perception of a pretty boy who gets by on his looks.
>>81056855
Spacey Lex was GOAT, he was just trapped in a shit movie
>>81059475
If Corey Stoll hadn't been picked up for Yellowjacket, he'd have have the perfect mix of intelligence and sneer to be Luthor.
>>81058843
He's ZombieZod-Bizarro-Superboy.
>>81056350
Which would have easily been ten times better than what we got.
>>81051379
>early rumors were that Denzel Washington was up for the role
Don't care he's not the same race as Lex. At least Denzel can pull off intimidating. Eisenberg had no business being cast as Lex....none at all?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6KrNpxODiDA
>>81051379
I can't remember his name now but they should have casted the guy who played Red Mist's dad from Kick ass. That guy would've been able to pull off an older mature Luthor who's already comfortable in his power but has now been thrown a wrinkle. This shit they've got going on right now is balls.
>>81051379
>Now that we know he was awful
but he wasn't.
>>81059475
>>81051746
>complex about his dad
Why do movies insist on making Luthor NOT bald?
Do DC executives have a lot of family in the hair makeup business they need to feed or something?
>>81051729
Wut. He was a borderline parody of an atheist
>>81051379
I think many writers try too hard to give Luthor motivations for hating Superman, like philosophy or xenophobia, when really all you need is that Superman stands in Luthor's way
>>81063703
That's a very good question. You'd hink they'd try and at least be faithful to the iconography of Luthor. If there's one thing the general population knows about Luthor, it's that he's bald.
>>81060056
It always should have been Bryan Cranston.
>>81063703
Gene probably didn't want to cut his hair for a comic book movie, which wasn't as big of a deal back then.
Spacey actually was bald.
Luthor apparently loses his hair in the end, so of course they have to give him the hippie look to make the reveal more dramatic.
>>81063703
>>81064689
>>81064814But he gets bald in the movie
Wait, this thread is full of people who haven't seen it, right? Fuck, why do I even bother.
>>81064847
We know he goes bald by the end, we're just wondering why they didn't just have him be bald all along instead of making a big deal out of it.
>>81051379
>Now that we know he was awful, what the fuck were they thinking with that casting?
>Who can we afford that has a vaguely square jaw and prominent cheek bones?
>>81056784
Elba probably does as well. He plays Heimdal in Thor then he's like ooooh fuck I should have held out.
>>81064882
Because it's his origin story. Many Lex stories have him as a man full of hair in the beginning. I thought they would go with the radiation route this time.
>>81064847
That picture of him bald has been around since he first was announced for the role. People are asking why he's not bald from the start like everybody knows him as
>>81052190
>I don't think the problem lies with the casting or acting, but with the script and directing.
This guy gets it.
Snyder flat-out can't direct and he especially can't direct actors. Actors who have won awards and critical recognition in other films consistently suck in Zack Snyder films. It couldn't be more fucking obvious that the real problem is with this man right here by this late point. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and sure, some are a bit more or a bit less shitty in his films, but fuck, not by much. The man is just flat out incompetent.
>>81059475
Billy Zane, obviously.
>>81051379
I don't know if it's fair to blame Eisenberg for the character that was written for him. He was cast, cause he could deliver the character they had cooked up. It's not like the script magically becomes better if you take out Eisenberg.
>>81065600
nah, Eisenberg is just a beta kike, he could neevr play Lex
Making him a tech bro isn't the worst idea and could have worked if the went Steve jobs elon musk. Instead they went aspy zuckerburg.
>>81065641
>>81065698
I don't think we'll ever know. The script is shit, the directing is shit. Great acting can't save so much shit anyway. Nor would it be "allowed" by a shit director telling you to act like shit.
>>81065754
He oozes beta-ness and awkwardness/quirkyness, it is literally impossible for him to play Lex Luthor
>>81065600
Eisenberg was cast before Spaz Luthor was even drawn up. Movie had a severe breakdown in writing cohesion.
>>81064763
because he was bald in Braking Bad?
You're a fucking retard
>>81065698
Are we talking about the movie Lex or comic book Lex? Cause to me it seems like people are shitting on the actors for not being the comic book characters. The thing is, BvS is a new take on the characters and it's written the way it's written. Is it solely Eisenberg's fault that his character is written so different from the comics? Or is it Affleck's fault that Batman uses guns or whatever? The characters are what they are, and the actors did a really good job in my opinion.
>>81065810
Maybe but look it doesn't fucking matter. This is too much of a shitpile to bother to nitpick casting. Without any foundation the building falls down anyway. I wish someday writing and directing would be one of the first few thousand priorities films are given but it's not going to happen. they're always the very last.
>>81053306
>who have continuously proven themselves to live on an alternate plane of moon logic
Brilliant.
>>81059475
Bryan Cranston but nobody could've saved the script.
>>81065844
Have you even seen all of Breaking Bad?
>>81051379
Luthor is tough to get right. I mean Gene Hackman's version isn't that great, it just gets by because Hackman is a really good actor.
>>81059616
Fuck. You.Nic Cagewas incredible.
>>81061597
only if you want me to never stop fingerblasting myself
>>81061597
only if you want me to never stopfingerblasting myself
>>81051379
>there were defenders saying that he could be a pleasant surprise.
He was, he looks menacing and threathening, not in the "buff bully" type, but he's a good villain, better than most Marvel
>>81061597
Only if you want me to never stopfingerblastingmyself.
>>81059243
>>81059616
And that bitch from Madmen as the White Queen
One of the most wooden performances I've ever seen in my life
>>81053306
>"you're a flamboyant, pissy, quirky, nihilistic, crazy billionaire manchild who's also threatening",
so... perfect lex then
>>81066841
MCU does not possess any good villain aside from Loki. It is not a good measuring stick.
>>81059475
George Clooney
>>81065972
I could totally say this same shit about Fant4stic or X-Men Origins
>>81067451
>>81067486
>>81059616
>Topher Grace as Venom
In a universe where Toby Maguire is Spider-man, Topher Grace is the perfect Venom
>>81067613
>>81067571
>>81067518
>>81067486
>>81067451
Stop it. This is not even funny, i just feel really bad for those people.
>>81059692
Yellowjacket was practically Lex with a few alterations, and while he's one of the better Marvel villains, and would have been better than Eisenberg, I think he could have been much better
>>81061025
Mark Strong, I think he was rumoured for the part at some point
>>81059616
Wait, I thought Ghost Rider was a comedy. Why else would have they hired Cage to play him?
>>81067644I don't care
>>81051379
Eisenberg isn't a bad actor. Just like Cavill he was given shit to work with.
>>81067451
>>81067486
>>81067518
>>81067571
>>81067613
>>81067708
>>81067744
I am gonna call all these deluded fucks the 1.6 billion dollar club.
After that 1.jpg fag.
Man the delusion WAS real
I was in some of those threads
>>81067784
Who is the 1.jpg?
>>81051379
They have should just gotten Clancy Brown. The man is tall, intimidating, has a great deep voice and is already familiar with the role.
Just a personal rule of thumb, I think Lex Luthor should never be half the age of Superman.
It just looks ridiculous
Rosembaum is the only good Lex we'll ever have.
>>81067874
Admittably Eisenberg is actually the same age as Cavill. But yeah, he does look half his age.
>>81067823
It's just a screencap of someone proclaiming how this shitshow of a movie will make 1.6 billion dollars. He spammed that screencap everywhere and the image was named 1.jpg.
>>81067744
>Death of Superman is a convoluted and shitty storyline so be thankful they aren't adapting it.
Ouch.
>>81067784
Isn't Lex's putting on a goofy personality in public true though? Didn't it just turn out that he was an autistic Joker ripoff instead of Lex from the comics?
>>81067764
i have to disagree eisenberg isn't a good actor he only plays one character. he's a character actor if you'd call him that. can it work for certain roles? yeah of course but a good actor has range. and he certainly isn't a great leading man such as Sean Connery playing Sean Connery all the time.
>>81058072
But...but, they vote Democratic like me! They're also SJWs like me! Are you saying it's all an act to attract buyers?
>>81067896
All he did was love Clark.
Clark couldn't appreciate it.
>>81067920
>Eisenberg is actually the same age as Cavill
Wow, never would've thought that. One looks in his early 30s and the other one looks like they still ask for his ID at some places
>>81067955
Oh my God, I posted that pic and only just now saw that.
>>81051379
>Mavel tranforms Loki fro an intimidating badguy to an edgy person with daddy issues and is a memer
>everyone applaud and fan girls orgasm
>Dc does the same thing
>everyone hates it
>>81067955
>>81068115
Holy shit, how fucking dumb does that guy feel right now
>>81068134
>an edgy person
What?
>and is a memer
What?
Are you talking about the comics?
>>81059616
>The entire Jonah Hex cast
Yes, the movie was dog-shit, but Brolin was a good choice for that role
>>81068134
There's a difference though. Before the modern take on Loki (and we won't really get into the convoluted way it's not even really the "same" Loki), Loki was always a mildly comedic, psychopathic, classic super villain.
Lex long ago shed that image. Savvy, established businessman/politician Lex masking an inner narcissism that leads to self destruction is how most people see Lex. Going from that to daddy issue meme spouter is far more jarring than a younger Loki going the same way. Also important, is that Loki got fangirl cred in the movies first, where he really only had the daddy issues, before he became a memester in the comics to play to that crowd more.
>>81056855
>Can we all at least agree that his portrayal of Lex was a lot more threatening and interesting than Gene Hackman/Kevin Spacey Lex?
No, Spacey could have pulled Lex off given a bit better material https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaCu2C3234c
>>81068136
Probably on the same level as "Flash TV show will never do time travel" guy
>>81068518
>>81068136
>And that's why a film adaptation of The Lord Of The Rings will NEVER happen
>>81068557
Wait, wow. Someone said this?
>>81068415
Wow, I didn't remember this. I don't get why Hollywood likes to show such physicial abuse in kids movies. No wonder bullying is so common in America
>>81056855
No, Kevin Spacey shits all over this Lex. When he was screaming at Superman on the rooftop about how God is evil and man must bring him down I expected him to end it by talking about how euphoric he was.
>>81061597
I'dSUBMITto that casting.
>>81068415
Literally the only thing I remembered about this scene was "Krrrryptonite!"
>>81068611
Yes, but it was in that horrible Simpsons ep where Homer is Kurt Cobain
>>81056953
Memes aside this /tv/ drone is right.
Eisenberg does okay at best in his films with Stewart.
He killed his performance as Zuckerberg because he pretty much is Zuckerberg down to their personality.
His chemistry with Garfield probably helped that as well.
We all know who would've been a better Luthor. Unfortunately he was busy being cast in a superior role
>>81068415
Holy shit. I gotta say you can say what you will about Superman Returns but Singer knows how to film a goddamn scene.
Could you imagine if snyder was at the helm on that moment. It'd look like it was filmed by a camera thrown into a tumble dryer with a bunch of bubble wrap.
I hated the casting. Was so upset when I first heard.
But this is prime silver age wacky Lex, except instead of tubby he's tiny.
Loved him in the movie.
>>81067896
Oh my god. It's true.
>>81059475
Tom Hardy
>>81066700
>>81066729
>>81066930
I don't get it, and my Google-fu is lacking.
