She suffered more than anyone else in this series.
>simple technician following orders, she had no personal politics and just wanted to get her work out of the way
>every single simple task was met with militant left-wings acting destructive and disorderly, she had good reason not to put up with them
>dutifully reported on the scene to her higher-ups and rightfully dealt with these troublemakers; can't be held accountable for the actions of her escort and informant but even after apprehending the militants still got treated like shit just for wanting to do her job ("Go to Earth they said, it'll be easy they said")
>at this point is rightfully angry with them, you would be too
>can't even deal with them without losing a good chunk of her equipment; with no consideration has her limb enhancers (which are very important to her work; essentially is useless and defenseless without them) tossed aside and comes to in a place that's soon to completely collapse in on itself
>forced into the Crystal Gem lifestyle and mentality from there on in
>when she FINALLY gets a conference with her superior proposes some very sound ideas only to be AGAIN treated like shit just for trying to keep it together, rightfully says "fuck you" to her boss and now has no option but to accept life as a Crystal Gem on the doomed earth
To boot, just naturally going along with her work put her into this personal and philosophical crisis. I would never wish that on even my worst enemy.
>>81029692
>militant left-wings
>>>/pol/
The only one in the series who's angst or pain seems unjustified is Amethyst, and she's literally different than every other gem out there.
>>81031301
>The only one in the series who's angst or pain seems unjustified is Amethyst, and she's literally different than every other gem out there.
>WAAAH I'm shorter than I'm supposed too
>WAAAAH Rose like Greg more than me
>WAAAH How dare greg hang out with his son then me
>>81031301
>she's literally different than every other gem out there.
Because she's an annoying little bitch who can't keep her emotions in check
>>81031461
That's pearl anon
>>81029692
She definitely didn't suffer more than anyone else.
>Greg and Pearl lost the love of their lives. >Steven has to live with being his dead mother's shadow
>Amethyst is a fucked up mistake that was kept in the group like a pet
Peridot gets to be free from her shitty life of being ordered around and gets to learn about beautiful shit for the first time. She's got it good now
Her plight is no small one, but it's a commoner's plight. She has the privilege of being born into that kind of work and being conditioned to adhere to Yellow Diamond's standards of ethics and morality. She doesn't see any problem with it because she was never taught to think outside of it nor was she ever given a chance to live, act, and decide independent of it.
The whole point of Rose Quartz's rebellion was foregoing that predetermined lot in life that comes with being a Gem and realizing oneself as who they are who they wish to be, rather than just going with the pre-established order of things. What most people don't realize is Peridot's redemption is the prime opportunity for her own self-realization. Yellow Diamond was all she ever knew and all she ever understood, and now she doesn't even have that. Maybe now she can find the answers for herself.
>>81029692
>>when she FINALLY gets a conference with her superior proposes some very sound ideas
Let's not go overboard. Peridot displayed mindboggling incompetence, and demanded to stop a project that was 5000 years in progress. Even if she had proposed any sound ideas (which she hadn't), Yellow Diamond was justified in shutting her down.
>>81030762
Not a polfag, but let's face it. The crystal gems have very Left wing views, are follow a militant mindset. they fit this meaning.
Peridot might have had bad luck, but it could have been worse.
She could be stuck at the bottom of the ocean with fucking Jasper
>>81029692
Dat's not Lapis, tho.
peri is a cute
>that time the Crystal Gems initaited a battle with Blue Diamond by diving into a crowd of civilians and starting to cut people in half
They're basically terrorists.
>>81031368
Nah, man it has a little bit more nuance than that.
Every character is a very subtle metaphor for a real life minority.
Where Garnet broadly refelcts the plight of homosexuals and Pearl reflects discriminationof black people or women, Amethyst stands for Diaspora. She's born on Earth but she sure as fuck doesn't count as an Earthling. Her actual place of origin considers her an outsider and a freak and she doesn't really know where she belongs. This is what being a second generation immigrant feels like.
>>81035171
peri a fucking adorible 10/10 would cuddle and snuggle
>>81031368
>>WAAAAH Rose like Greg more than me
Now where have I heard that one before
>>81031605
>resurrecting a crumbling empire
>mindboggling incompetence
gtfo clod
So which Gem would you enjoy bullying /co/?
>>81035765
Garnet, in a striclty constructive, futuer-vision enhanced way that would never completely break us but would ultimately push us to become better sneople.
>>81035765
none they are all a cute
>>81036258
Anon said who would YOU bully, not which Gem would bully you.
>>81035765
>>81036258
Nevermind, read "which Gem would enjoy bullying /co/?"
I wouldn't outright bully, but I'd sure as fuck make innuendos around Pearl
>>81031368
Are you this bad at interpretation? It's a cartoon for children, it really isn't hard to understand.
>>81036348
she wouldn't get them anon
you'd make them, and amethyst would lose it, and pearl and steven would just be confused
>>81036348
if i was on my other com, i would put this right in my "dance mom" folder
>>81036348
I would make her real salty by making her remember the times Greg hung out with Rose and then tease her how she is jelilous about it
We're not on infinite hiatus, right?
Right?
>>81036481
We might get something in April but technically yea
Also peridot is cutest gem
>>81031605
>demanded to stop a project that was 5000 years in progress.
Yes, and?
>>81036672
That's like nothing to a gem.
so how cute is connie
>>81037975
6/10.
Her relatively mature personality stops her from being too cute. 7/10 when Steven is near.
>>81038277
But doesn't they way she care make her more adorable. Not to mention how she learned to use the sword for Steven
>>81038927
It makes her appealing as a character, but not cute.
>>81038167
What would you do if you got to take Peridot on a date?
>>81039574
I'd walk her around the pier, go to the arcade and then kiss under the moonlight.
Second date I'm gonna grab a hand full of that ass.
>>81039574
Flip the fuck out since a cartoon character had apparently come to life.
Lets make a guess, the Eye-ship thing that comes after Peridot is not from YD, but rather 2 or 3 gems that are her chronies coming to find her because she stood to the Boss
Extra points if one of em is a traitor
>>81039729
Unless they've drastically changed the functions of the eyes from the old model, then they seem to be observation based satellites, that aren't manned.
>>81039609
Aww yea, i wouldn't mind grabbing some of them green peppers after some nice snuggling
>>81031580
>She got it good now
>He hasn't seen the leak whereShe is being hunted down by an un manned Homeworld drone and Lapis fugs it up.
>Is forced to join the Crystal Extremists, a band of mentally ill, loosely organized rebels taking care of a sheltered child and an Indian.
>Lives on a planet with a short lifespan left.
>>81039871
Source?
>>81041108
the artist name is right there you dingus
>>81029692
>persecuted for their love
>led a brutal rebellion and sent people to die in her name
>saw her comrades die before her eyes
>killed their mother by being born
>is an outsider to her own people
>literally imprisoned for thousands of years
>the corpses of their friends are being reanimated as monstrous weapons
>She suffered more than anyone else in this series.
Are you shitting me?
>>81041316
Oh boohoo, get over it.
He suffered more than anyone else in this life.
>surrounded by Jews his entire life
>implying Yellow Diamond was wrong to turn her down
Oh sure, most of what happened to Peridot wasn't her fault, I'll agree. But when you have an empire to run are you really going to just up and take suggestions from a lowly worker to COMPLETELY OVERHAUL FUCKING EVERYTHING? A lowly worker who's barely keeping it together at that? Yellow Diamond did nothing wrong, except maybe put trust in Peridot and even that's hardly much of a discredit.
>>81029692
I'm hoping YD is going to see that she was willing to be loyal and Peridot turns around from being redeemed right back to a villain when she is offered a power suit or something.
But what do I know? This show is about love. Gay, gay love.
>>81031605
She's not incompetent just because the Crystal Gems beat her. She could not have anticipated the existence of a human-gem hybrid whose unique biology making it resistant to their technology would fuck everything up for them.
Her ideas were more logical than Yellow Diamond's, which were heavily rooted in irrational feelings of disgust and hatred for organic life. Peri was right to question her objectivity. All she did was suggest a practical alternative to the geoweapon as a compromise between Homeworld and Earth, which Yellow Diamond immediately rejected out of her irrational hatred for Earth. If she had any sense she would've listened to Peri and switched plans, because now the Crystal Gems are not only still at odds with them, they have just gained another member with an incredible wealth of up-to-date inside information, andare more motivated and resourced in fucking Homeworld up its ass than ever.
>>81042062
>COMPLETELY OVERHAUL FUCKING EVERYTHING?
That's not really true, though. Shutting down the cluster wouldn't take a lot of effort, and you could repair the existing Gem structures or even build more without doing much damage to Earth. It would be less a traditional colony and more a recreational garden world/research facility, but there's still value to be had in that.
Hell, you don't even have to shut down the Cluster. Just put it to sleep and move it to one of the other planets in the Crystal System. It clearly doesn't need more life force to gestate.
Yellow Diamond is only wrong because not being a dick would take zero time and effort on her part and could have potentially huge benefits in the future. Instead, she's choosing to be a dick out of spite.
>>81035058
will she become relevant again?
>>81035499
please just stop fucking talking
>>81042062
Yellow Pearl was a joy to behold
>>81039871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlG7Zrr-WQA
>tfw no alternate intro with the show's logo fading in, set to this
>>81030762
reminder
>>81043321
>no /v/
>>81033432
>She could be stuck at the bottom of the ocean fucking Jasper
FTFY
>>81042343
>She's not incompetent just because the Crystal Gems beat her.
No, she displayed her incompetence when she said she lost the handship "on accident". She was covering up for the Crystal Gems after all.
>Her ideas were more logical than Yellow Diamond'
We know nothing about her ideas or even if they are logical, because she got shut down by Yellow Diamond before she could say anything.
>If she had any sense she would've listened to Peri and switched plans
Why? What would be the reason to listen to ideas of someone who can't even land a ship?
So the gems are immortal, right?
What will they do when they live long enough to see the Earth naturally die?
>>81043626
Except we know that isn't going to be a permanent state.Lapis will end up dying before joining the Crystal Gems and needing to be bubbled.
>>81035765
the bullied becomes the bully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7RwG5MKK6o
>>81043761
Leave, maybe aid the humans in getting off-world if we haven't already.
>>81031580
Not to mention her forced fusion experiments..
>Everyone seems to have forgotten the old Paridot.
>>81029692
People don't seem to appreciate how much of a big deal it was for Peridot to betray YD.
If you landed on a hostile alien planet, just wanting to escape, and the only people there wanting you to either die to forsake the culture you were raised in (which also includes almost certainly dying), then actually siding with them when you had the chance to go some safe and sound would take insane guts.
>>81044056
Why do you think she had anything to do with the experiment besides checking up on it? She's just a random technician.
>>81029692
>She suffered more than anyone else in this series.
UM
>>81044112
Jasper is in a hell of her own making.
>>81044112
Ikr..
>>81044146
I'm pretty sure it's of Lapis' making.
>>81044099
She even said as much in When It Rains.
>>81031301
>Traumatize Steven by turning into Stevens dead mom to mentally fuck with Stevens emotional distraught father
>makes up for it by cleaning up the garage
pearl's entire life is suffering and you want to say your green meme suffered the most?...
>>81029692
>Suffered the most
>Has been on Earth no more than a few months
>Pearl is dead inside
>Lapis was trapped in a mirror for hundreds of years
>Has mind fucked and in turn mindfucking Jasper at the bottom of the ocean for the past few months.
>>81044171
Jasper is only in her current situation because of her own bad choices.
>>81044346
She didn't do anything that deserves months in a living Hell. She's morally on the same level as Peridot - Just doing what her culture says she's supposed to.
>>81043761
Doubt they will live that long, even if they could. They'd probably die naturally in accidents or some such, considering how long the earth actually will last.
>>81029692
>>81044323
>Gems abandoned their leaders and fought wars against their own species to protect a lesser race of intelligent life forms.
>Gems lost their leader and closest friend, now she's become an autistic fat Jewish boy
>FUCKING.GREG
>>81043321
replace /r9k/ with /v/ and it's good
>>81044323
>Lapis was trapped in a mirror for hundreds of years
Lapis has probably been trapped for thousands of years. The Crystal Gems found her at the Galaxy Warp. Considering that the Galaxy Warp was the primary way on and off planet, it was probably dropped by a fleeing Gem during the war.
That means she has been trapped for a minimum of 5000 years.
>>81044404
>>81044404
>>81044404
>>81029692
>>81029692
>>81029692
>>81029692
Fuck off with your supreme green meme machine
>>81044361
I never said she deserved it, just that it's her own fucking fault.
>>81044484
No, I'm pretty sure it's Lapis' fault.
>>81044484
It's also Peridot's fucking fault for calling YD a cunt to her fucking face.
>>81044498
If you fuck with a crazy person, it's your own fault if shit goes south.
>>81044508
Never said it wasn't.
>>81044523
>Victim blaming
I don't know which of the like five SU threads up right now to ask this in, but I missed britanon's vocaroo about the S1 Finale. Anyone got a link to that?
>>81035587
>be madly in love with a woman
>you've been the most intimate of companions for millennia
>she chooses what she normally uses as a dildo over you and then dies carrying his abomination.
>you now have to raise it
>>81044560
Victim blaming only works is the victim didn't actively seek out the other person.
Jasper assaults a crazy person, is now imprisoned by said crazy person.
She's no different than an assaulter that gets fucked up for trying to assault the wrong person.
>>81044560
>>Victim blaming
>>81029692
>implying Yellow Diamond was obliged to listen to her
Peridot was contacting her on a channel she wasn't supposed to be using, and started blabbering about how she lost all of her equipment through her own incompetence and how Yellow Diamond should terminate a five thousand year investment for unique resources which Peridot gave no examples of. Peridot handled almost every situation she was in extremely poorly, and deserves worse.
>>81044484
She was put in that situation due to unforseeable circumstances (Steven being a hybrid). If that weren't the case, then she would be shipping out to her next assignment.
>>81043321
Together they make /v/
>>81044734
If she hadn't been a fucking idiot she'd clearly know that Steven wasn't a normal gem. She handled the containment and surveillance of him poorly too. If you find somthing new you don't just treat it like any old thing because that will most like fuck you over in the end. And it did.
>>81044112
>being perpetually raped for months on end, fighting to retain your sanity in the face of ahegao.
>>81044798
She thought Steven was Rose, not a hybrid or anything special. She knew something was off, but was given no reason to think the destabilizer fields wouldn't work.She should have just glassed the Temple and Beach City from orbit tbqh
>>81031368
>>81031461
Amethyst is a member of a group dedicated to destroying the sources of their creation, and it hits her more directly because they literally say earth's kindergartens were a mistake. That's some heavy shit she'll never be able to reconcile.
>>81044854
No other gem have ever shown the ability to go out of their color scheme when shape shifting, so that would have been a pretty good giveaway that something was up, besides that fact that Steven doesn't even sound like Rose. She handled it all extremely poorly and if she hadn't had er "Fuck answers, I just want to punch shit"-attitude, she would have found out that something was up.
>>81044953
I always thought the color scheme thing was for the audience watching. Kind of like how the replicants in Blade Runner have that eye-glow thing.
>>81044670
Jasper didn't know how crazy she was
>>81044953
>No other gem have ever shown the ability to go out of their color scheme when shape shifting, so that would have been a pretty good giveaway that something was up
The pink Rose Quartz turned into... the pink Steven Universe.
Yeah I don't know.
>>81029692
>Attempts to follow his dream of being a rock star and for the most part fails
>Falls in love with alien woman whose friends don't really like him
>Gives up on dream for his love
>Has child that results in alien woman technically dying
>Child is pretty much all he has in the world
>Other aliens, who are even less fond of him for basically causing the death their friend and leader, come and take child to raise because he's magic
>Can't really give his son a normal life especially since he doesn't even have a home for them to live in
>Has to stand by as his son is raised by aliens who barely understand the average human let alone how to raise a human/gem hybrid child
>Befriends one of the aliens who then becomes too attached and takes on the form of his dead lover which quickly ends their friendship
>Knows that there is a good chance more aliens are gonna come and attempt to destroy the planet
>Has to stand by and hope for the best, as his son begins going on dangerous missions fighting alien monsters
>Gets to see less and less of his son under normal circumstances as time goes on
>Has to put on a smile and cheery tone because he's well aware his son has enough to on his mind without adding a depressed father to the mix.
>Probably spends everyday wondering if it was all worth it in the end or if he should've made different choices
To me it just seems like Greg's gone through the most crap and gotten the least out of it. He still has his moments with Steven and did get to help with raising Steven early on but other than that he gave up/loss a lot and ended up with very little.
>>81045076
In the upcoming comics Amethyst being purple while shape shifted is pointed out. I know it's not first hand source but it's more reliable than meta fan theories.
>>81045138
And the guy who got fucked up for trying to assault the chick who knew karate didn't know that either. Still his own fucking fault for trying to fuck with another person in the first place.
>>81045170
While Rose has a pretty human skin color, it still doesn't take into consideration the different hair color, and the color of his cloths, most of which isn't near being a part of her color scheme.
>>81045262
Oh shit
Something just hit me. Pearl hasn't been shown to shapeshift yet because it would show her TRUE color - her origin.
>pink
>white
>blue
>yellow
>>81045392
I still wonder if Pearls actually can shape shift or not. It just feels so weird that she's never done it, not even in the slightest.
>>81045444
>forgetting the beach episode
>>81045460
We know she can change clothing, but what about her actual shape?
>>81045485
The clothes are a part of their shape.
>>81045262
>Hit someone
>They shoot you in the chest
>"Well they shouldn't have hit them!"
>>81045529
Hitting someone back for attempted assault is definitely the same as shooting them, definitely.
>>81045262
>While Rose has a pretty human skin color, it still doesn't take into consideration the different hair color, and the color of his cloths, most of which isn't near being a part of her color scheme.
I doubt Jasper would have memorized just how much black or yellow is or is not on Rose Quartz or if she had even seen Rose Quartz in person.
Remember that she recognized him based on his shield. She would not have necessarily known Rose Quartz in person.
>>81045495
I'm still not so sure. They seem to be able to sustain different outfits without problems, compared to bodily changes.
>>81045529
They shouldn't. And I never said that what Lapis did isn't wrong too.
>>81045579
That is a valid point. She still shouldn't have been so hasty as she was. She'd have known a lot more about her enemy, which would have helped her not get fucked in the other end.
>>81045183
Greg is a unsung hero basically
doesn't ask for much and always thinks of his son first
get's very little in return
>>81045563
Raping someone for months on end is definitely the same as hitting someone, definitely.
>>81045563
>Hitting someone back for attempted assault
Are you actually implying that what Lapis did was remotely proportionate?
>>81045444
I also suspicious of that, as I am of Steven fusing with gems
>>81045636
Greg is actually a pretty well written character. Especially compared to other cartoon fathers. And I think it's really positive that we get a good single father for once. He's not perfect but he tries his best.
>>81045688
No one ever said that.
She's suffered the most because fans still see her hair and draw it as a hijab.
>>81045720
Some people are just fucking morons. Just ignore them.
>>81045623
Jasper did the absolute least hasty option available to her, which was to trap the unknown factor and send him to somebody more powerful and knowledgeable than she is.
The thing about unknown unknowns (as opposed to known unknowns) is that you can't plan for them. There was nothing else Jasper could have done given the information available to her.
>>81045716
>No one ever said that.
You compared it to hitting someone back for hitting you. Shooting in response to hitting is much closer to the level of escalation we're talking about.
>>81044099
She said in the episodes when she was still their enemy that she found Garnet's fusion unique and wanted to weaponize it.
>The fact Garnet forgave her soo quickly is bad writing.
>>81045591
It's like shape shifting the outer layer which could be easier.
>>81045737
We don't know what the situation is on homeworld. Jasper saw the rose quartz gem and immediately considered it top priority. She clearly has the power to commandeer Peridot's mission, so at the time she was the most eligible to make an informed decision, which was to get the rose quartz to homeworld. They don't tell Peridot shit.
>>81045720
>I, a woman in my late teens/early twenties, have done what the rest of the world has so fat failed to do and singlehandedly adapted gem technology to work with humans.
>I also use it to hunt gems and fight off the Homeworld
I fucking hate that OC.
>>81045833
>not posting superior animated version
You had one job.
>>81044578
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ybHVhHpMDB
>>81045737
If you come across an unknown element, especially one that's not directly hostile or any danger, you don't just try and contain it as fast as possible. You try and figure out what it might be so that you are sure that the containment you might use on it actually works.
>>81045741
I'm not >>81045563. I've only said that if do something bad, you'd have to expect some form of retaliation, and that it's your own fault, no matter what the retaliation might be. The retaliation might be completely unproportionate, but that's not the point.
>>81045833
That has nothing to do with the experiment. She's a technician, she tries to see the most potential in stuff from a completely technical point of view.
>>81045847
Could be. But I'm still suspicious. If she was capable she "should" have done it by now.
>>81045868
I wonder how gems see each other. Do they have distinct auras for instant recignization, because their gems are often obscured and shapeshifting further perplexes the matter
>>81045907
He wasn't that unknown
He had a powerful gem within him, and all gems do is fight for gods sake
>>81045907
>and that it's your own fault, no matter what the retaliation might be.
That is retarded.
>>81045907
So what does "being at fault" mean to you
>>81045959
>and all gems do is fight for gods sake
Doesn't excuse her. We've seen plenty of other gems that can asses a situation way better than she did. She just did the first thing that came to her mind, punch stuff.
>>81045971
>>81046022
If a person breaks into a house and gets shot, it's his own fault. I don't think it's a punishment that fits the crime, but if he hadn't broken in, he wouldn't have gotten shot.
>>81046039
That is an expected way to stop a burglar. Get shot it's his fault. Even if they cause property damage and shit on your baby and punch your wife -- tying up the burglar and doing bad things to him for a long time isn't just unexpected, but cruel and unusual. Which fits with what you said, punishment does not fit the crime
It is the consequence of breaking in in the first place yes, but not his fault which implies it is deserving. I can't separate the two words, fault and deserving (justified)
>>81042495
Considering Lapis hates every other gem and vice versa, Shes undoubtedly going to be hanging around Steven more than anyone else.
Steven is getting his own followers, Hes becoming what rose was to the crystal to gems to the newer outcasts.
Lapis, Peridot and Connie will probably be Stevens crew, While the other Crystal Gems are off doing their own thing or MIA.
Steven will become the Rose of the new crystal gems, He will have to learn how to become more of a leader like his mother was.
>>81046039
The difference is that shooting a burglar is a reasonable response - There aren't alternatives with major downsides.
Lapis was right next to the ocean - She could easily have stopped Jasper without torturing her for months.
Self-defense and cold-blooded revenge are very different things.
>>81046157
This.
>>81046157
I don't take fault as deserving. As taken from online dictionary
>2. Responsibility for a mistake or an offense;
I'm only talking about responsibility. There was a case a few years back where a burglar was caught by a woman living in the house he was robbing, and she tied him up and used him sexually for days. He didn't deserve it, but he was at least partially responsible for it. Same goes for Jasper. She don't really deserve what Lapis have been doing to her, but if she hadn't pressured a clearly mentally unstable gem into fusing with her, she wouldn't be in her current situation. It's her own fault.
>>81046260
And again, never said that what Lapis did isn't fucked up or wrong. Just that Jasper is at fault. She should have let her go.
>>81046194
Getting lapis acquainted with all the other gems is essential for teamwork, there's no clear reason why they would need to split up. And peridot is already cool with the others.
>the original CG MIA
Not for more than an episode or two at the very most.
>>81046194
>Steven will become the Rose of the new crystal gems, He will have to learn how to become more of a leader like his mother was.
Don't forget becoming earth's champion of humanity. He'll have all of Beach City and all the healed corrupted gems right behind him. I can't fucking wait.
>>81046318
That's ridiculous logic. You don't blame the US for Pearl Harbor or a wife for being murdered by her husband.
>>81046318
>clearly mentally unstable
>clearly
Lapis seemed pretty normal until Malachite. How would her lunacy be apparent to Jasper
>>81046372
Not that anon but those examples are unprovoked. Not a proper comparison.
>>81046372
Which are dumb analogies since, those are one part attacking another without provocation, while Jasper was the original attacker, and Lapis was the reactor attacking back. When Japan got fucked up by the US it was their own fault. When the husband got thrown in jail, it was his own fault. Stop being an idiot.
>>81046395
Lapis already seemed unhinged to me, but I'll give you that that was through interaction with Steven, which Jasper didn't see.
>>81046448
>those are one part attacking another without provocation
You think those two things happened for no reason?
>>81046408
Neither of those were "unprovoked". Both had reasons for attacking.
Anon was suggesting that proportionality doesn't affect blame, which is ridiculous.
>>81046318
So you're just nitpicking the word responsibility out of "fault"? And disregarding the other meanings or implications of the word? Why not just use that word in ten first place then
And let's take a look at "responsibility"
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/responsible
I'm not seeing how Jasper is responsible for Lapis' cruel and unsual actions
>>81046346
Peridot sure, But compared to the rest of the gems shes dead weight and more Steven's level, Peridot would be a great match-up for misadventures with Steven.
Lapis on the other hand absolutely despises everybody, Shes probably going to be loner again, Since what is getting in the way of her teamwork between with the crystal gems is much deeper than peridots.
If Lapis is going to become a part of the main cast shes going to need a major nerf, Maybe the only reason she was so powerful was because she was charging up in a mirror for so long, After raising an entire planets ocean and jailing a complete brute to a fusion then losing control, She really has to be weakened by now.
>>81046463
No, but what the US did is blurry as to weather it could be considered a provocation to war, and no example was given in the murder case, so it could be yes.
>>81046500
answerable or accountable, as for something within one's power, control, or management (often followed by to or for):
2.
involving accountability or responsibility, as in having the power to control or manage:
Both of these apply to Jasper. She had the power to not force herself on Lapis, but she did anyway. She was in control of her own actions. It's her own fault.
>>81046194
>Steven is getting his own followers, Hes becoming what rose was to the crystal to gems to the newer outcasts.
So it'll become a harem series?
>>81046484
I'm not talking about blame, I'm talking about fault. Lapis is to blame for what is currently happening to Jasper, but it is Jasper own fault.
>>81046583
>I'm not talking about blame, I'm talking about fault.
Are those not the exact same thing?
>>81046554
>No, but what the US did is blurry as to weather it could be considered a provocation to war
And what Jasper did ISN'T blurry as a provocation to torture?
Any guy who kills his wife feel like she deserves it in some way. That's why it happens in the first place.
>>81046583
I can accept "at fault" here as meaning "is the first link in the chain of events"
But I work really totally rather use a different word. Too many other possible implications.
>>81046608
No they aren't.
Forcing herself onto someone else is a clear provocation. Lapis did the same to Jasper, but at a bigger scale.
Had the US shot down a plane, it could be seen as a war related provocation. But closing of their oil supply is still being debated as to wether or not it was a clear provocation.
>>81046635
I think it might be a "translation error" since I'm not a native english speaker. In my own language, you can be at fault for something, but not be deserving.
>>81046528
Oh hell yeah, infinite water power gem who lives on a beach needs to be taken down a notch for the sake of the narrative
>>81046685
>translation error
Well, that solves it. The word certainly carries implications, so using it in this situation is innapropraite given your views.
>>81046685
>Forcing herself onto someone else is a clear provocation.
She grabbed Lapis roughly and asked her to fuse. That is not REMOTELY close to provocation for torturing someone for months on end.
>>81046726
Lapis saw it as her being hold down against her own will, and is doing the same to Jasper. She was provoked into doing what she did, even if she's clearly overreaction. She should just have beaten Jasper up with some water physics, and then walked away. But Jasper shouldn't have grabbed her like that to begin with.
>>81046775
That just goes back to the "murdering someone for hitting you" argument.
>>81046775
>saw it as being held down against her will
Well, fusion is more like making each other disappear for a time then falling out of the fusion soon enough. Or at least that's how it's supposed to be.
Though I bet neither of them could've predicted just how malachite would be, not a blended fusion at all. Just them too mashed together really (until malachite took over late at point as we could infer from the leak)
>>81046775
Jasper is not at fault for the Lapis rape, Jasper did not provoke the Lapis rape
Repeat after me
>>81046867
Jasper was the first link in the chain of events, no hidden nuances here
>>81046824
People don't always respond with relative force when provoked. It's kind of what provocation implies. You can do shit that's even worse than the thing that provoked you in the first place.
>>81046841
I was talking more about the physical act of pulling her down, when she tried to fly away, and then keep her in a tight grip while looming over her. She had been imprisoned in a mirror for who knows how long, only to be taking into custody when she arrived home, dragged back to the place she had fled from, and then put in a jail sell. She was tired of being "hold down" and what Jasper did was the final straw. So now she wanted to be the one to held somebody else down.
>>81046867
As I said it might be "translation error", but to me it's "Jasper is at fault for the Lapis rape(at least partially), Jasper definitely provoked the Lapis rape, BUT Jasper does not deserve the Lapis rape.
>>81046528
>But compared to the rest of the gems shes dead weight
She's repeatedly given all three main CGs trouble all by herself, using only what she can scrounge up on an alien world or tech that she's not accustomed to. Peridot demonstrates incredible resourcefulness and rapid learning, not to mention she's more logical where the others are more emotional. They need someone like her on the team.
>>81029692
I feel like thats a bit of a stretch when theres the emotionally dead five thousand year prisoner blueberry floating around.
I mean jasper sort of lost her life as a homeworld gem but she still chose that when she disobeyed her superior. For how tyrannical the diamonds seem she was way more forgiving to the incompetent, impetulent tech support hijacking her secured channel to shit talk her plans
>>81046915
Then there's that angle of Jasper not knowing about the mirror or anything. This was originally brought up in regards to "Jasper provoked the Lapis rape." Seeing this fact, it's clear she did not provoke such a thing. Merely set it off. Link in chain of events.
>Jasper is partially at fault for the Lapis rape.
No, again Jasper is just the link in the chain of events. "Fault" is innaproriate here and not neutral.
>no personal politics
Stopped reading there.
>>81047020
And this will be my last post tonight, good night anon and anons...
>>81047020
The way she handled Lapis is still no way to handle a person in general, and was a shitty move. You can still provoke someone without the knowledge that you're doing it. It's not always an intentional act. Provoking means to set something in action so it still fits.
And we can argue the use of "fault" all day, since I only have the dictionary definition to go by, and don't have the same cultural associations with the word as you do.
>>81047093
Okay, thanks for the argument. Didn't mean to start a shitstorm. Just ignore >>81047099
Regardless of their own actions, here's the gems in descending order of fucked-upedness
>Sapphire: lived as royalty but chose to give it up for a perfect GF
>Steven: grew up broke with no mom and felt the pressure of having to fill her shoes
>Peridot: lived as a civil servant but ended up trapped on a primitive world
>Ruby: nearly executed for a mistake and lives with the guilt of suspecting she ruined her lover's life
>Amethyst: Lost her adoptive mother, routinely insulted by the only people she cares about, regrets her own birth
>Jasper: lived as a sex slave for months
>Pearl: lived as a slave for thousands of years, got cucked by a man who killed the woman she loved
>Lapis: Imprisoned for 5000 years in a mirror. Came home to a world that she couldn't understand and was immediately imprisoned again. Spent months struggling to remain in control of her captor only to become her sex slave
>Clusters: killed and reduced to zombified fragments. Buried alive for 5000 years until the pressure fuses them into rape-zombies with parts from an untold number of other corpses
Yeah, peridot isn't even close in terms of suffering
>>81043321
When I first came to 4chan, we only had one containmentboard, /b/. What happened?
>>81035499
>>81047218
I think you might also have to take into consideration the different gems personality and how they're dealing with their situation. I think for Peridot, while her situation might not be that bad for most people, to her it's almost a sentence worse than death. Same goes for Jasper since she prides herself on her strength, and is now being held captive by some one physically weaker than herself.
>defenders of the planet you live on
>"left-wing militants"
>>81047369
only dirty liberal scum doesn't want to exterminate all life in the universe
>>81029692
Sorry mate, even as a Perifag I'ma have to say Lapis suffered the most.
>spent who knows how long inside a mirror inside pearl
>then only inside the mirror
>I have no mouth and I must scream
>finally gets out, but is cracked
>finally healed, gets to go home
>gets home, don't recognize shit
>immediately whisked away for interrogation
>put onto a ship back to earth to confirm interrogation details and kept prisoner
>abandoned by everyone
>forced to fusion
>decides she's had enough and keeps herself fused with someone she absolutely despises
>trapped at the bottom of the ocean for who knows how long
>>81047423
#makehomeworldgreatagain
Everyone needs to relax.
>>81042620
>Dat Garnet
Heh.
>>81043321
fixed for you
>>81038167
Peributt is best butt
>>81043923
>aid the humans in getting off-world if we haven't already
If we haven't left the earth after another 5 billionish years we aren't going anywhere.
>>81050283
>Thinking a species will exist for that long
>Let alone any meaningful form of descendant
>>81046528
>>81046691
Lapis, by far, is the show's single best bet for a dramatic, 'permanent' death. The way gems die is technically kid friendly, too (rock shattering)
>>81050324
I only tackled the first glaring issue, there are enough to write a Cracked article
>>81044452
Is this from a video?
>tfw you will never take Peridot around your town showing her all the cool stuff humans do.
>tfw you'll never marathon netflix with her
>tfw you'll never show her your favorite vidya
>>81029692
>She suffered more than anyone else in this series.
Pearl's mighty thirst...
Peri's had it easy compared to just about every member of the cast
>Pearl is a shell shocked veteran of a war she never really cared about fought for a master who abandoned her
>Amethyst is a runt created to destroy the world she now calls home, fully aware that she was meant to be a great warrior, not a dumpy little retard
>Lapis was trapped in a mirror for centuries. Trapped at bottom of ocean immediately after freedom
>Greg saw the only woman he ever loved die to have his son. Is homeless and forced to take the sidelines watching his kid grow up
>Garnet is a victim of forbidden love, forsaking homeworld to love themselves and in turn being drafted into a war to kill numerous gems, quite possibly the rubies and sapphires they were made out of.
So yeah, Peri had a bit of a rough patch but all things considered she's doin fine
>>81045529
I dont see the problem
>>81052526
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Peridot feels worse, just because of her personality. Imagine someone completely dependent on their phone, losing said phone while being stranded in the middle of the deepest forest. They would fucking panic and completely break down, even if it might not seem as bad to other people.
>>81051735
>tfw you'll never show her your favorite vidya
She would get stuck and end up throwing the controller through a wall.
>>81052893
>Sperg has to change lifestyle and MAY HAVE A PANIC ATTACK!
>Somehow this is as bad as thousands of years of solitude.
If someone lost their fucking phone in the woods it would force them to grow as a person and use their own mind to fix their predicament.
Or are you one of those "safe space" kids who thinks the best way to handle issues is to feed them and coddle them until they become full blown crippling neuroses
this episode taking too long to get out :/
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>81053017
I'm not saying it's actually worse, I'm saying she might actually feel the worse out of the bunch. The other characters have been through more shit and as such they're better equipped for coping with each of their issues. Peridot is the exact type of person you're talking about since she has never had any hardships before shit went down on Earth, and as such is soft minded, when it comes to dealing with said hardships. The oethers have been through more shit, but said shit have also made them stronger. Peridot hasn't.
I want Peridot to suffer and cry.
>>81053166
There's a ton of stuff making this hiatus worse than the others;
>Every other hiatus had a known or roughly-known end date.
>The crew either directly or indirectly would post about said end date.
>Even they don't know when it will end.
>The worst hiatus in terms of length happened well before the show's popularity took off, and it still seemed like there wasn't an overarching continuity.
>The plot's finally taking off.
>The leaks keep teasing us.
>The content of the leaks implies that some things that fans have been wanting for over a year are about to happen.
>One bomb of 5 episodes for a bit more than 5 months, averaging <1 episode a month.
The lack of an end date's the real killer though. They could announce something in 5 months, or immediately after I post this, for all we know.
>>81035058
>Steven reads 4000 years of Solitude by Gabriel Gregorio Universo.png
...that was actually really funny.
>>81053477
I feel worst for the crew because they can't even say anything anymore because no matter what it is, it makes everything worse, and then we target them when it's not even their call at all.
Remember when Matt said near the end of /right after the last Steven Bomb "I think the future schedule will make everyone happy." and literally since then it's been hiatus. At this point anyone can do is laugh at how ridiculous the entire situation is.
"When you punish a person for dreaming his dream, don't expect him to thank or forgive you."
-The Mountain Goats, "The Best Ever Death Metal Band Out of Denton"
OP here, this is where I was coming from. Peridot just wanted Homeworld to be as powerful and glorious as it used to be.
>>81053630
My theory on that is that either Matt was lying out of his ass, they had a schedule that was in fact pretty good and then CN decided to change it without warning, or they were given a general schedule that WILL be good, but CN never gave them an actual date for it, and Matt just assumed that it would happen soon. Pretty much everyone thought that this thing would be over by mid-February, it doesn't seem impossible that Matt might have thought that too.
The real villain here is definitely CN's scheduling and marketing departments, I don't know what the fuck they're doing. It's not just SU either, it's pretty much every show that isn't TTG and the Powerpuff reboot that's getting shafted, with AT getting slightly less shafted than the rest.
>>81053765
>>81053477
>>81053630
Holy shit I feel bad for the creators
They have to just sit there as CN interns leak their work
>>81053659
She wanted more than that. She dared to dream of a world where the Homeworld where able to do their business, and still enjoy all the nice things on Earth. She is a true hero, and the bestest gem to haver ever lived.
>>81054058
What, you're saying that she's like The Boss of SU?
>>81029692
I think Steven's got it worse. He's got a shit ton of pressure on him, and he has way too much for someone like him to live up to. What if he doesn't become as powerful as Rose was, like the Gems expect him to? What if he can't fuse with the Gems, like they (especially Garnet) expect him to be able to do? What if he is killed and can't reform or regenerate?
Steven is the very first of his kind, and he's growing up and being trained by the ones that his mother knew and loved the most in the cosmos. He'll probably never, ever get to meet his mom, he'll never ask her who she is or who he is, and he'll never ask her to tell him about herself.
He's surrounded by humans and Gems that he love, but he himself is alone.
>>81054104
The boss? She is Steven Universe! (The show, not the fat kid)
Post grizzled veteran poil
>>81054206
I meant THE Boss.
>>81054279
Haven't played MGS, so that wasn't my first thought. Though for some reason my thoughts still went there.
>>81054411
Basically, The Boss betrayed her home country in order to unite the world, was then killed by her home country, gave her last will, got misinterpreted and rejected that made the world into shit, and she's remembered as an evil person.
>>81054483
I guess that fits then.
>>81035587
Lesbian cuckery is a grossly under-used story mechanic.
>>81053630
>>81053477
it's a sad sad situation.
>>81045529
well, clearly they shouldn't have
>>81053477
Will they ever let our suffering end?
Each gem has some sorta form of suffering or suffered some kind of loss or hardship with each being unique to them and them only, which is fine because it helps build character and show that they are more than just bright colorful magical characters with just happy thoughts and silly moments.
It shows that even the most magical of beings suffer just like the rest of us and have hardships like anyone of us have, and thats what makes then relatable and "human" than just some dumb supermen doing silly and funny stuff.
Lapis has got to have the most hardships on her than peridot.
Granted, Peridot's situation is very scary for her as she just made her complete ruler hate her and is trapped on a planet that will eventually torn itself apart but Lapis has dealt harder.
Stranded inside a mirror for who knows how long, damaged and hurt and alone.
And once she returns home, she is captured and forced to come back to Earth by two gems she hates.
Then she fuses with a aggressive self minded gem and forces the fusion into the ocean for months on end.
Lapis has had some shit.
I just want you all to know that if I get cancer or something, I'm gonna go on some kind of media blast to get whatever info I can on unaired episodes, Sugar's grand plan, whatever, then leak it for you. If they let me watch unaired episodes, I'll secretly record them for you.
if they won't give me shit, I'll sacrifice myself to break in to CN and steal them, leak them, then die, hopefully before going to cartoon jail, but if so, it would be worth it.
I'd do this for you, anti-/sug/. I'd do it for him.
>>81058546
accidentally edited myself, *as my dying wish.
> ctrl f vocaroo
> no results
Damn
>>81047218
Your Ruby point doesn't make sense. Sapphire was supposed to die to end the rebellion.
Those two have had a seemingly sunny life.
>>81058690
Not die, just get poofed. Her prediction ended with her regenerating on Homeworld.
>>81058611
Seriously? >>81045904
>>81046578
>it wasn't already
>>81048077
cute AND for sexual, good heavens
although I'd see Sardonyx in a bikini given the crazy rotations she can pull
>>81053299
I want Peridot to become obsessed with clothes and fashion.
I want her in a new outfit every episode.
>>81058752
>>81058690
she could of lied to blue diamond b/c she saw the future her and ruby had together
>>81047218
how is jasper a sex slave?
>>81060190
This is cute, i would totally love that
>>81053477
CN france confirmed they will get new episodes by april. so that's something.
>>81060226
Did you even watch that episode you Omega-3 faggy acid
Ruby's intervention threw Sapphire's whole foreseen life off track; up to that point she'd been seeing a single path for herself, rather than the "branching river" as Garnet first describes it to Steven. It probably took her a long damned time to learn how to re-adjust her natural precognition that way.
>>81060559
May 16th, actually.
>>81060659
tu parle le frog language
I mean I live in England so i'm part of the problem but still need a translation bitte
>>81060729
I only know French because I had to take it for 3 years to graduate high school. This is literally the first time since I graduated that I have had to use this language.
>>81060659
Gee, I dunno, but maybe their talking about new FRANCOPHONE episodes of the show on the FRENCH CN, non?
>>81048077
DO NOT FUCK ROCKS
Only one man succeeded and it didn't end well.
>>81035499
>This is what being a second generation immigrant feels like.
Completely wrong.
t.Second-generation immigrant.
>>81060659
Didn't Coach Steven premiere in Canada way before it did in the US?
>>81061237
Yeah, but this is CN France, so odds are we get the episodes before May 16th, and at worse we will have to read subs.
>>81061052
i recall reading translations that confirmed it's new, new episodes.
>>81029692
>never wish that on even my worst enemy
You sound like a fag
SOMOS
https://youtu.be/tPZlPNB_YKU
>>81061915
Perla confirmed for best gem in every language
>>81061915
Goddamn sounds like the Spanish dub is pretty solid
>>81061915
the japanese one never fails to crack me up
>BOKU STEVEN
>>81061915
>Latino
No.
>>81061915
Wow. They actually sound like the characters in english. Good job CN
Also
>"Rrrrrose Quartz!"
>>81062362
Yeah, all of the dubs for Steven Universe are really good, with the Italian and French dubs being the stand outs.
