Her character arc was the most logical and natural progression in the show. The way she was written and how the actress portrayed her this season was easily one of the strongest points of the series. So why does /co/ hate her?
>>80958912
Because she's a woman.
>>80958912
>So why does /co/ hate her?
Because she's a woman.
>>80958912
>So why does /co/ hate her?
>her
Case solved!
>>80958912
They havent seen her boobs, ah her perfekt boobs.
>>80958912
>So why does /co/ hate her?
She killed Ben and Wesley. She also almost got Turk's foot cut off. Fuck Karen. Also they keep hinting at her past in a very annoying way. It better be really fucking important.It won't.
>>80958912
She got Ben Urich killed
>>80959062
Wesley a shit. If he put a loaded gun within the reach of a woman he was actively threatening to kill then he deserved to die.
>>80958912
I don't, I think she's a pretty good character. Also, a qt.
She doesn't have any chemistry with Matt though, all their scenes this season felt very forced. Rest was good though, I enjoyed her side plot with Frank's case.
>>80958912
because i am a woman
>>80958936
first post is always right.
Same goes for Electra hate.
>>80959110
I agree with this. They're obviously trying to set up for her death what with her secret past, the failed relationship, and Matt revealing he's Daredevil.
>>80959106
He liked living on the edge.
>>80959110
>She doesn't have any chemistry with Matt
More and more I'm starting to think "chemistry" is a load of bullshit because it's such a vague thing people always use to describe actors and there's really no concrete way of defining it. I have yet to see a true definition of what chemistry between actors is, and now I'm starting to think of it as one of those non-criticisms like "it insists upon itself."
>>80958912
>REEEEEEEE GIRLS
>REEEEEEEE EMOTIONS
>REEEEEEEE ROMANCE
>REEEEEEEE I WANT MORE VIOLENCE
>REEEEEEEE I HATE WHEN CHARACTERS HAVE POINTS OF VIEW I DON'T
>REEEEEEEE MORE PUNISHER
same reason /co/ keeps bitching about Foggy and Elektra, more or less.
>>80958912
>how the actress portrayed her
You mean not having an emotion besides "on the verge of tears"?
>>80959185
You may be slightly autistic.
>>80959185
You don't understand because you're incapable of love, anon.
>>80959110
She had better chemistry with Foggy. My GF was pissed that they dont end up together.
>>80958912
>not wanting to have a foursome with some half-dead cambodian chick and an old blind man
She will never be the perfect girl for Matt.
>>80959201
>>REEEEEEEE EMOTIONS
Sorry, she only has one emotion - "always about to cry."
>>80959062
Stewart>Wesley
>>80959185
Yeah it has pretty much been a go to non explanation of something.
>overrated
>bad pacing
>out of place
>pointless
Noone explains how these things are the case (except overrated which is just a way of saying they let others like of something influence their opinion on it) but people just drop them in and assume their point is made. Nobody actually wants to be critical of things in any thoughtful manner. They just want others to think the thing they dislike is bad because if they dislike it, it must be bad.
>>80959185
It's one of those "you know it when you see it" things where two characters have a good back-and-forth where it seems like both characters are really engaging and invested in each other. Princess Leia and Han Solo had chemistry. Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone had chemistry. Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst did not. Chris Evans and Haley Atwell have chemistry. Grant Gustin and Candice Patton do not.
>>80959062
Turk was shitty and Turk's foot was attached, if not a little cut into. Besides, Matt wouldn't have been able to find them if it hadn't been for that. Also Turk a shit.
>>80959219
Autistic is another term just like 'no chemistry'.
Throw it at the wall and see if it sticks. No thinking required.
>>80959374
>Turk was shitty
Get a load of this asshole.
>>80959404
>Gets his shit kicked in regularly
>Turns in Best Russians because they got pissed off at Turk for things that were Turk's fault
>Gets sent to prison
>Back out in less than a few months despite the Russian mob gone and conclusively connected to drug trade, murder, and human trafficking
>Back out in the arms dealing business ASAP
>Couldn't even have the foresight to turn off the damn ankle bracelet when the cops arrived.
Turk. A. Shit.
>>80959368
>Grant Gustin and Candice Patton do not.
But Grant Gustin definitely has it with Tom Cavanagh and Jesse L. Martin.
She stole Punisher from Daredevil. The plot with Elektra was good and all but Punisher and Daredevil was the seasons strong selling point, and the two stopped interacting entirely after the fourth episode. After that, it was just Karen on the look for Frank. And that wasn't bad, but the show is called Daredevil. I feel like the Punisher thing was the main plot, and Daredevil was trapped in a side plot.
>>80959664
I liked Karen a hell of a lot more this time around than in the first season, but you're absolutely right. Things felt like the Karen and Frank show way too often.
>>80959664
Yeah, I do wish Punisher and DD interacted more.
Their conversation on the rooftop and the cemetery talk were the highlights of the season for me.
>>80959745
Good. Matt was a shit show the entire season.
>>80959521
That's one of the biggest problems with The Flash. Barry's pretty bland, but Iris is like a more bland Gwen Stacy. She's nice and that's about it. The two of them are endgame, but Barry has more chemistry with literally every other character because the writers have an understanding of romance that is just a few notches above George Lucas.
>>80959498
>Gets his shit kicked in regularly but is back at it regardless....cos hes Turk
>Turns in bitch ass russians because turk understands an opportunity when he sees one, and knows when to cut the garbage loose
>Gets sent to prison...then gets right back out. Cos hes Turk.
>Back out in less than a few months despite the Russian mob gone and conclusively connected to drug trade, murder, and human trafficking....cos hes Turk goddamnit.
>Back out in the arms dealing business ASAP cos Turk knows how to make that money and isn't going straight like no bitch.
>Couldn't even have the foresight to turn off the damn ankle bracelet when the cops arrived. Because he knew the cops wouldn't give a shit about a guys ankle bracelet when theres fucking ninjas everywhere. Plus whatever...hed be back out in a month.
>>80959664
I think that's more the failing of the series. It definitely should have had more Matt and Frank interacting, but they decided to add in Elektra as well, who is easily one of the most important characters to Matt throughout his history. Something had to give, and at the end of the day, Elektra's pussy was a greater siren song to Matt.
Which was the point. Elektra came into his life again and everything else was put on the wayside. We now have Fisk, possibly Gao, the dissolution of Nelson & Murdock, and Karen's past as potential future plotlines while an excuse is given for why Matt has enough time on his hands to do whatever the Defenders are going to do.
>>80959916
Nothing about your post makes sense.
>>80958912
shes a good character. id say most of the characters in daredevil are pretty good, even foggy, who seems to be getting a lot of hate this season.
>>80959998
Of course it does. your just too big a Turk hater to get why he's awesome. He isn't tough, he is a shithole who looks out for himself but keeps coming back to do it again. That's why hes cool. By all rights he should be dead or in prison, but because hes a smooth fucker with a decent lawyer i would imagine, and a resourceful nature he never stays out of the game for long.
He makes for a great low level ongoing criminal who will never become a villain to the hero really but still functions as a good personality introducing moments of brevity into the grim world of Daredevil.
>>80960115
So he's the Cousin Oliver of the criminal underworld.
>>80959110
I thoguht she was in love with the frank
>>80960115
>moments of brevity
levity
Cute!
CUTE!
>>80960188
No Cousin Oliver is when a kid is added as a contrast to the aging cast.
Considering Turk is the first speaking character you see in the entire series he isn't exactly 'added' to anything.
>>80960250
I'm not talking about baking bread stupid.
nah but yeah i always get those two words mixed up. Although his scenes are often brief and to the point and help get shit moving along. sooooooooo...brevity works to i guess.
>>80959521
Because Cavanagh and Martin are actually good actors.
Her face is really fucking weird under one angles, but can be really pretty under other angles. Super inconsistent level of bangability.
>>80959159
They're setting up the Born Again arc.
My guess is someone will find out she killed Wesley, and she'll be forced to sell Matt out to keep her own life.
>If you do this you're the monster they say they are!
>If you do this, I give up on you!
I love that Frank didn't give a shit. Fuck her for trying to get in the way of Frank's revenge. I really wish it didn't have to cut to her crying after the gunshot.
>>80959174
He was a businessman who thought he could try being a gangster like his boss. Should have stuck to what he was good at.
>>80960233
Everybody's in love with the Frank.
>>80960534
I don't think she is gonna be the one who sells him out. i'm pretty sure shes gonna be one of the tools used to destroy his life though. with kingpin bringing up her past or whatever to haunt her. But considering kingpin already has his mind set on matt murdock in a way that clearly shows he suspects theres more to him, I imagine theyll just have him find out through that and all the little things that connect that law practice to Daredevil.
>>80959379
Yeah, definitely autistic.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HUMAN EMOTION WHAT IS THE PRECISE DEFINITION IF THERE IS NO PRECISE DEFINITION IT MUST NOT BE REAL BEEP BOOP
>>80960541
You're an idiot. Frank did give a shit, but he also realized that for him to do what he needs to do he can't have her hanging him so he did the only thing he could to cut all ties and shut her out.
>>80960595
Well, in Born Again it was Page who sold him out. But in the original version she was a heroin-addicted failed porn star, so the show is clearly going in a somewhat different direction.
But I still think it's going to be Page in the show. She has this dark secret she's hiding, Wesley's death, and now she knows Matt's secret.
I don't get why she didn't just fawn over the guys I liked in the show and agree with them and let them do what they do while wearing more revealing clothing BUT NOT DOING SEX TO PEOPLE OF HER OWN FREE WILL LIKE A WHORE!
I mean I like hero and it sucks when sjw's make it so women characters aren't just pretty background things for the heroes to rescue and get support from.
But noooooo she has to not agree with the hero and go do stuff based on what she wants and thinks which means time gets taken up doing that instead of it just being the big hero punching the bad guy. Why can't it just be the hero punching the bad guy?
>>80960657
>all those secrets
She's not going to sell Matt out, but she is going to turn into a talking belt.
>>80960657
I'm coming at it more from a 'who this character is' angle. And nothing they've shown of her in the show personality, constitution, or nature wise would lead me to think she would cave and give up a friend's secret.
>>80960657
They have hinted at and implied her porno/druggie past. I think they'll go for it. After all the screen time she's got, the impact of her betrayal is all the more sad/explosive.
>>80960774
This. It's like they forgot that being Red Batman is suffering or something.
>>80960808
And after their version of Born Again, when Matt finally is back in action and on top, having forgiven Karen for everything and the both of them just leaving Foggy's funeral, Bullseye will come out from nowhere and kill Karen.
>>80960909
it'd be great if he was actually played by kevin smith.
then an explosion goes off in the backgrounds causes daredevil to lose bladder control momentarily.
>>80960951
Complete CGI character, voiced by Kevin Smith.
And he drops the mask while everyone is watching, pictures going out on YouTube, and Matt goes in jail.
>>80958912
She got Ben killed, stole his car and stole his job.
>>80960746
I think you're misreading the character. The show has hinted many times that there is more to Karen than she seems.
She's very cagey about her past. For example, this season we learn she had a brother, but something is weird with that. Remember when the newspaper editor first lets her into Ben's old office to work and she sees the file labeled on the desk labeled "Karen Page"?
She opens it, sees a newspaper clipping and starts crying. She asks the editor if he had read it, and he says he has and neither he nor Ben cares.
I can't find a screencap but if you pause you can read the first paragraph of the clipping which describes a teenager (forgot the name but it's [MALE NAME] Page) dying in a car crash.
I think the implication is Karen somehow caused her brother's death, maybe drunk driving or something.
But there's a lot of darkness underneath her character that's just starting to come out.
>>80960909
I thought the French guy Elektra met at that airport hangar bar was going to be Bullseye, until she killed him.
>>80961087
She also in S1 spoke to Ben that she couldn't leak the pension found scandal (I think it was?) since if people checked her background she wouldn't be credible, and when Foggy called marijuana hard drugs (or something) she pretty much laughed in his face, implying she having experience with actual hard drugs. And when she shoots Wesley she says that it's not the first time she does something like that.
Dope is obvious, porn is only very slightly implied.
But as long as she goes heroin addict, we are cool!
Bitch is getting captured left and right, like she's Princess Peach.
Otherwise, I like her.
OFFICIAL SEASON 2 POWER RANKINGS
>ELDER GOD TIER
Frank
Gao
Fisk
>Great tier
Karen
Matt
Claire
Brett Mahoney
>Good tier
Elektra
Stick
Tower
Blacksmith
Melvin
>Meh tier
Reyes
Black Wesley
Foggy
Marci
>Shit tier
Nobu
Black Leland
Grotto
>>80961551
>Brett Mahoney
Not sure about Brett. He did get a promotion, but he didn't earn it. Daredevil handed it to him on a silver platter.
I wonder if that's ever going to come up again. Maybe if the anti-vigilante tensions bubble over, it will come out that beloved hero cop Mahoney is a fraud who only succeeded because of vigilantes.
>>80961551
>Stick
Also so fucking sick of this guy's smug bullshit.
He needs to die already.
>>80961087
The name was Kevin Page, I think. And yes, there has to be something big there.
I don't think she will sell Matt out, though. I don't really know how her character and relationship with Matt was in the comics (haven't read much DD), but considering how in love she is/was with him and how he is, along with Foggy, one the only people in her life, I doubt she'll do that.
Kingpin might get the information from her, sure, (I mean, she knows the truth now), but I doubt it'll be like in the comics.
>>80962086
In the comics she's just as in love with Matt, but on a serious deep end on a heroin addiction. And I suppose that kind of fucks with your morals.
>>80961551
Any reason why Foggy is gettin shit on?
>>80962086
>kevin page
karen is a transwoman who murdered a man to fake her own death in a car accident so that people wouldn't deadname her
after all she's confirmed for tumblr, she accused Newspaperman of being The Patriarchy.
>>80962260
Yeah, didn't Foggy come out on top this season?
Despite the shit odds he had in the Punisher trial he showed himself to be very capable in competent, enough to land him a partner position at a big firm.
Plus the DA who had been gunning for him is dead now. He ends the show in probably the ideal position career-wise, though he lost his friend Matt.
>>80962260
God forbid somebody get emotional about his best friend nearly dying!
>>80961087
>>80961292
I honestly feel like its going to be a letdown. Like I'm intrigued and I know it'll play into Born Again, but a simple car crash isn't that gasp worthy considering all the fucked up things the show has presented beforehand.
>>80962284
Pretty sure she was talking about him being controlling, ie a patriarch, not "muh male privilege".
I dunno, I liked her. It was Matt I didn't like this season.
>>80960909
>>80960657
>>80960534
>They do Born Again
>Marvel convinces Evans to actually cameo as Cap
What would be the reaction, /co/?
>>80962373
yes i was being facetious
>>80962386
/co/ would literary explode.
>>80958912
/co/ hates her?
i mean elektra i would understand, but karen did fine
>>80962462
Electra herself was great. Everybody who says otherwise is wrong.
>>80958936
>>80958943
>>80959009
Alright mate you raided us now go back to tumblr and brag all about it
>>80962462
Goddamn, Elektra was so fucking annoying. Almost ruined the season for me.
Wish there was more Claire, best DD girl along with Vanessa.
>>80962493
It's as if the people who dislike Electra expected her to be likeable.
>>80958912
>fempower movem3nt
sorry lass, people will do and feel what they want
women need to stop thinking of "a feminine female" as "emotional and needs attention with emo writing"
Sometimes badass girls that seem like a male are actually more realistic portrayals of ladies.
>>80962361
It can't be all that bad because the newspaper editor said both he and Ben read her file and didn't care what she had done.
I'm guessing it's a history of drugs/alcoholism and maybe doing porn or something. Stuff she'd be embarrassed about but nothing really terrible.
It's probably going to be that she was fucked up on something and accidentally killed her brother, and that's what shocked her out of that life and caused he to move to NYC looking to start over.
>>80962532
For me its not entirely her fault. I just disliked the entire Hand storyline, and she was just at the forefront for that.
every time she dragged matt away from the punisher story, i disliked her more and more.
>>80960233
Frank would frank her right in the frank to be frank
Let me tell you why I like karen page. She saw people murdered in fort of her. Innocents got killed. She saw the worst of humanity yet she still tries to find the best in people and try to help them
Hell the punisher shot at her and yet she knew there was something more and tried to help him. She dosent let personal vendettas get in her way
Call her a whiny bitch but you know she would do what most people wouldn't
>>80959110
All this. Great character, gorgeous actress. Terrible love interest for Matt. She was a way better match for Foggy, but they forced those two apart at the end of last season so they could obviously set up her becoming Matt's love interest, and ultimately dying.
what did Ben and the other journalist chief see in Karens file? I didn't undertand what "ben didn't care and I don't" was all about. even tried reading the article
>>80963134
She was high driving a car and accidently killed her retarded brother
>>80959110
Frankly she should have been with frank tbqfrank
>>80959174
But he wasn't thirty-six caliber.
>>80963209
>Frank
>being with anyone but his guns
Heresy.
Her character arc was the most logical and natural progression in the show. The way she was written and how the actress portrayed her this season was easily one of the strongest points of the series. So why does /co/ hate her?
>>80962508
>/tv/
>"us"
>>80963476
Come on. Karen at her weakest is nothing like felicity.
>>80963178
thanks senpai was that mentioned in season 1?
>>80963931
No you have to look for it. It's implied in season one that karen used to do drugs (wehn foggy mentions hard drugs and she just smirks).
Her brother was retarded as well he couldn't tie his own tie so may he had a metal disability
When she looks at the newspaper it says her brothers name (forgot what it was) who died in a car crash.
From her convos with the punisher its certain that she isn't just guilty about killing wesley
Add that with the fact that she dosent talk about her path.Viola
I think the Bornn again stuff is her backstory
>>80961551
>Kicked daredevil's ass on S1
>Got back from the dead with the sole purpose of kicking more ass
>Takes on DD and elektra at the same time
>Shit tier
>>80962260
List maker here. There's nothing wrong with Foggy in the show, I just hate how the actor portrays him. He doesn't have a very wide range compared to everyone else.
>>80958912
There is no hivemind here.
Karen is fine, great in fact. The thing is despite it being obvious that this is what they wanted to do since season 1 I'd much rather have Ben Urich back than Karen's amateur sleuthing hour. Ben was easily one of the best things in season 1 and deserved a series of his own investigating various superhero and villain activity.
There were some interesting moments with her as a character. I'm sure some here cringed at her "patriarchy" moment about having police protection, but I like the way the editor shut that down by pointing out that if he'd done this for Ben Ben might still be around. Can't fault his argument, though protection wouldn't have slowed Fisk much, not to mention he'd already fired Ben by that point. He's still obviously feeling guilty about the mole at the newspaper though.
Then there is the fact that Karen connected so well with the Punisher because she was a woman. She managed to reach the empathetic part of Frank that only someone who presumably reminds him a bit of his wife could reach. Foggy sure as hell couldn't have done it and Matt barely managed to despite their shared vigilantism. And it didn't stop Frank from repeatedly using her as a means to an end in his crusade.
The worst part was Mattconfessing his identity to her at that last moment was lame.Shit has been dragged out for two seasons and NOW they decide to treat it as a cliffhanger? Fuck that, it was completely weak ass.
>>80964716
>thinking that list is about fighting ability
>>80962260
Shit actor. That, along with comic reliefs almost always never being funny.
>>80958912
This is why we hate her. Because this shitstain has tainted our view of female leads forever.
>>80964893
Anon, most of the board doesn't watch that shit show and Felicity is far from the only reason.
>>80958912
The same reason people never like Felicities or Skylars or any other well-written female plot device. It doesn't matter how solid of a character they are if they're still the least interesting of the cast. In a boring show with boring characters, Karen would be great, but this is a show with fucking Daredevil and Punisher, so some normal blonde is comparatively much less fun.
>>80964991
>most of the board doesn't watch that shit show
lol you're adorable
>Felicity is far from the only reason.
So you admit you watch it. Otherwise, how would you have an opinion on this?
>>80959062
>killed Ben
Ben didn't die because of their visit to the nursing home, he died because he kept shouting about it in an office where it was obvious someone there was on Fisk's payroll and contacted him about it.
>killed Wesley
well yeah but Wesley was going to kill her, so it was pure self-defense.
>Turk
turk a shit and the ankle bracelet is the only reason Matt or the police found where everyone was being taken. if she didn't tell him to turn it on, everyone would have been killed.
>>80958912
She is a succubus that teases me and every men she is acting with every damn scene, the sexual tension is real!
P.S: I like her character /co/ hates life and Marvel so they have to hate on something, it's either Foggy or something else.
>>80965247
>so they have to hate on something, it's either Foggy or something else.
I thought I was the only one who didn't like him because of his bad acting?
>>80965031
If that were true Foggy would be just as hated.
>>80959062
>Also they keep hinting at her past in a very annoying way. It better be really fucking important.
She's aformer pornstarso it is really important. Formuh caq.
Frankly, I didn't really get why Page suddenly decided Frank was in the right and then was surprised/hurt when Frank Franked a bunch of people. Was she supposed to be attracted to Frank or something? Respect, sure, but how can you BELIEVE in Frank and then not want Frank to Frank people? Kind of reminds me of Rick's aside about power and relationships ("they put you on a pedestal because you're powerful, but then because THEY put you there they want you to be less powerful").
Her personal development as a journalist was a good arc, I just didn't follow her relationship with Frank.
>>80965032
Maybe that anon is in the minority who watches it?
You don't have to be obnoxiously defensive right out of the gate, it weakens your bargaining position.
>>80959498
Being a shitty person is his character, m8, so he's a good character. You know it's not a reality show, right?
>>80959106
Calm down, woman. You're getting hysterical.
>>80965425
It's a bad show now, and I thankfully dropped it like a bad habit like 7 episodes ago, my point being that if you think that a majority of /co/ doesn't watch it, you're just being purposely dense.
>>80959121
HELL'S KITCHEN
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>>80959039
neither have people who watched this show
[unless she got naked after I stopped watching[/spoiler]
Have you ever noticed how Wesley had most red ears in on the planet?
>>80965529
>my point being that if you think that a majority of /co/ doesn't watch it
That sounds as ridiculous as claiming the majority of /co/ watch Agents of Shit or have read Homesuck or fapped to gravity falls.
That last one has the best odds of being true, at least.
At least there are typically less barriers to watching something on the CW than a Netflix show.
>>80960031
everything I didn't like about the first season grew on me this one
>>80965699
I watch Agents of Shield. It's a good show.
>>80965648
I never noticed his ears, but I will admit to being constantly distracted by Karen's sticking out of her hair. It was cute.
>>80965723
And you're free to. I just don't think a majority of /co/ does anything. We're a collection of niches, albeit some niches being larger and sharing more crossover with other niches.
>>80965784
I was just offended that you called it Agents of Shit. Ugh, can you just like, not?!
>>80965884
Well at least you weren't upset by the mention of Homesuck.
>>80965900
I actually have no idea what it is, I've seen threads but never bothered to check. All these years.
>>80959242
they even set up for that last season with the old mexican lady being like "oh senor foggy es muy guapo" to Karen, but I guess they said fuck that.
>>80965344
He is. Have you not read any of these threads? He's hated on three times as much as Karen despite the MUH WOMAN HATE complaints.
>>80966047
man why don't people like Foggy
poor guy got shit on the entire season yet he troopered on
>>80966069
For me personally, it's bad acting and unfunny comic relief.
>>80961551
Season 2 Matt is Low Tier. Right below Meh but above Shit.
>>80963015
She's a mole-faced, big-toothed, ear goblin with a snake neck.
>>80959106
You shush your mouth, you!!!
>>80958912
she can't act for shit. Also, what's the /co/ opinion on this season?
I personally liked it.
>>80961087
I had to go back and pause myself because it was so bizarre to show it for one second, focus on it and then zip back and make no mention of it.
It said something about 19 year old Kevin Page dying in a car accident. The way Karen reacts to it, and what NotJJJ says, I would suppose the implication is that Karen cause the accident. It doesn't make mention of any other details or they're out of focus
>>80958936
Bingo, /co/ hates women.
They don't understand them.
Ripped guys however, they're all over that shit.
It irritates me how she's so good at random jobs.
Like, she goes from secretary to legal aide to journalist in no time flat.
I get that they want her character to be doing interesting things, but she doesn't have to climb any sort of ladder at the newspaper? She's all of a sudden writing articles despite having no real experience with it?
Just because she investigates stuff doesn't mean she should be able to write about it.
>>80967396
you dont have to be good at being a secretary to be a secretary, there isn't much to it besides not being retarded for a lot of those spots
and she was really only every good at being a journalist. She never was much of a legal aide, it was more of here being their secretary + digging up stuff for them to use, which is why she became a journalist
>>80967672
That's what I mean though. She starts in a position that is literally entry level, and requires an IQ of 85 to be competent at it.
Then she starts doing actual jobs.
>>80967851
so i dont understand what your issue is? Her first job she didn't need credentials, her second job she only got because Foggy and Matt liked her, and she became a journalist because thats the only things shes been good at across 2 season, and basically got a recommendation from Ben
>>80961551
>Nobu
>Shit Tier
>Blacksmith
>Good
No.
>>80965192
>Ben didn't die because of their visit to the nursing home
That's exactly why he died. Fisk's visit to Ben's house was the direct result of Fisk's mom remembering Ben visit her. Because of Karen.
>>80965192
>turk a shit
GTFO of here you degenerate scum
>>80961551
>no Turk on the list
sort your life out tbqh
>>80961551
>Below even shit tier
Turk
ftfy
>>80963535
Karen isn't taking out Hand ninja's and overcoming paralysis within 5 episodes
>>80964314
lots of people don't know how to tie a tie doesn't make em disabled
>>80965416
I think it had more to do with the way Frank franked people.
As far as Karen knew, he put them out of their miesery quickly.
After all, Karen killed someone who deserved it and it was quick and over in moments. She most likely assumed most of his kills were like that. Shoot the bad guy, they die, he moves onto the next. Like a police officer without a badge.
But Frank doesn't kill people. He, as you said, Franks people. Which often involves torture, brutality, prolonged pain for the target, and lots of blood and gore.
Karen wasn't mentally ready to witness a proper Franking.
>>80958912
My only question is, where the fuck is Bullseye?
my only problem with karen is her obsession with frank. when everyone including himself tells you hes a killer, then you cant be suprised when he kills people.
>>80962260
foggy was on the come up like brett. i dont get the hate
>>80971542
I agree. It didn't bother me THAT much until she kept going even after the diner scene. I mean, in that diner, Frank pretty much sat her down and told her:
>Karen, you're normal
>I wish I could be normal like you, but I can't they took that from me
>Get away from this, get away from me before you get hurt
>Go be normal with your boyfriend
It was a great scene that really should have been the end of their interaction, both from a dramatic perspective and a logical perspective.
>>80971371
I think a lot of people forgot that Karen killed someone in S1, because that colors her interactions with Frank heavily
>>80960722
To be fair, the show IS called Daredevil, not Daredevil & Karen Page.
>>80963476
Come on man, they are nothing alike.
Karen thinks she is a bad person because she sort of doesn't feel bad about killing Wesley.I just want to touch her bee-stings
>>80965416
>yfw he ignores her emotional blackmail bullshit he drags Blacksmith into the shed and shoots him.
>YOU KILL HIM AND YOU'LL BE THE MONSTER EVERYONE SAYS YOU ARE
>The look on her face when he blanks her
>The look on her face when she realises her words never had an effect on him, he just wanted the answers he needed
>The look on my face
>>80965416
You know how you hear about seemingly ordinary women being attracted to convicted serial killers and writing them fan mail in prison? Oh, he's not so bad, I can fix him! I can change him! He's just misunderstood and he needs somebody to listen to him!
Karen was having the same feelings for Frank. Fortunately for her, Frank actually isn't so bad, but he was still worse than she thought and she couldn't change him.
I have questions for /co/cks, how were the Punisher and Elektra portrayed in the show vs the comics?Was the Punisher always a psychopath or it just a show thing? Does Elektra really dies? The fuck is Black Sky? Does Karen also becomes a journalist? Is it me or did the Punisher started the Civil War in this series?
>>80959062
>Killed Wesley
Tell me anon, how do you think our precious Frank would have reacted in that situation? The real answer is that he wouldn't even get in that situation, because when Wesley sent guys to nab him, Frank would splatter their brains all over the front door they tried to capture him in front of, then track down Wesley and put a sniper-rifle bullet between his smug, condescending eyebrows.
The guy was a criminal, and an annoying shit to boot. He got what was coming to him, and the only reason you care is because of his bond with Fisk.
>>80971819
>I think a lot of people forgot that Karen killed someone in S1
How could people forget that when she literally says "There's something about this city that makes good people want to shoot their way out of bad situations." and "He could be any one of us."
>>80958912
Because her acting is bland as fuck.
>>80959302
Literally this
>>80974547
Frank had traits (and some scenes lifted from) different comics, so he may not be completely faithful to any given incarnation, but they did an amazing job.
Was he always a psycho? Depends on the writer. For some, he snapped after seeing his family die. To others, Frank has always been slightly crazy and it was serving in Vietnam that made him feel like that violent chaos was where he really belongs. The show kinda played with both, was affected by his family's death, but even back in the war he was one dangerous motherfucker (the anecdote the colonel tells is loosely based on the comic Punisher: Born, which ends much the same, with a platoon finding Frank standing alone surrounded by the corpses of a ton of enemies he just brutally massacred on his own)
>>80975202
Neat, thanks anon.
>>80958912
I thought she was written pretty well and her progression was good but I don't think that she's a good actress
>>80958936
So when /co/ likes female characters it's because they're not women?
>>80958912
She's Lois Lane, lots of people hate Lois Lane for taking time/focus away from the guy who punches things in favor of following her investigations, same here.
>>80965529
>if you think that a majority of /co/ doesn't watch it, you're just being purposely dense.
Neither of you has ANY indication to what proportions it's watched on /co/ anon, you're both speculating.
I haven't watched a single episode personally.
>>80979063
Pretty much. They're either tomboys, little girls or written like men.
>>80962386
Fap themselves to death.
Who knows if Evans would do it since it's Marvel Entertainment and not Marvel Studios but if he feels comfortable with it and he only does one episode, has his schedule free and Marvel Studios is OK with it, I guess he would do it.
Plus he's not crazy expensive like Scarjo or RDJ.
>>80960115
It's all good man. Storytelling-wise, if you hate him then the show has done it's job in my honest opinion.
And then you have those of us who like him BECAUSE he won't go away. He's always going to be around. Me personally, I like the idea of a villain who always sticks around, especially when it's obviously not a super powered criminal mastermind like Turk.
