>'No punisher series planned' says Marvel Boss
>“I think that’s something that people are speculating on, as opposed to something that’s actually happening,” Loeb said at the time.
Instead we get Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica SJWones. Each with several seasons. They also said they don't want to do more than 2 shows a year.
Live it to Disney to introduce a a great character and then drop him again.
>>80934006
But DD, JJ, Cage, and Fist was part of the original plan. They didn't plan on doing a second season of Daredevil until they found out the reception for Season 1 was immense.
The Second Daredevil Season was like a giant promo for the Punisher. Doesn't make sense not to give him a series.
>>80934006
So is Netflix doing all of the Marvel Max shit but not the Punisher?
>>80934006
Bullshit. I have never seen a more blatant backdoor pilot for a series.
I told you frank wankers that you were setting yourself up for a disappointment. It's my boy's DD's show, deal with it.
>Iron Fist fucking when?
2017 can not come fast enough.
>>80934006
Calm down nigga Netflix ain't going nowhere and it's not like there's a whole bunch of other shit they're doing
I see them marketing Frank's frankfrankers more for the next couple of years though
>>80934006
Punisher will probably happen post-Defenders.
>>80934704
Frankfags will have their day. you'll see, altar boy.
>>80934006
>Instead we get Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica SJWones. Each with several seasons.
You mean they're doing the things they said they were going to do from the beginning?
>>80934006
Rubbish.
If it wasn't planned before it's definitely being planned now.
Punisher
Justin Hammer
Red Skull
Purple Man
Tim Roth
All gone for good.
>>80934979
>yfw Frank gets the kill shot on Thanos
Brah, they're not going to do a Punisher series when they're about to do Defenders in a bit over a year. Wait for after Defenders.
There is no way they're not going to do one. Just not right now
I can't believe you seriously want a Punisher series to happen right now when Iron Fist is just about to get off the ground
>>80934006
Frank will just guest star in everyone's series from now on.
>>80934938
This. They know they have it good and it would be stupid not to act on it.
I don't know how they could do a solo Punisher though. They did everything in season 2. The whole spectacle of relentless destruction of bad guys and then the trial of the century. It was awesome. Now what? Now he's going to save people? Torture rather than kill?
>>80935084
Frank has accepted that he's going full punisher now. He'll go back to cleaning the streets up. Hopefully track down some slavers or infiltrate some dog fighting rings
>>80934006
>Jessica SJWones
Really? Are we really doing this bullshit?
>>80935265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu9a29UR2dU
>>80935321
Why didn't heread that story?
>>80935313
can you tell me how every single white male was either a villain or an autist?
>>80934332
the problem is Punisher works when he's the villain not the focus
>>80934006
>Luke Cage
Cool.
>Iron Fist
Cool.
>More Jessica Jones
Why? What is there even left to tell? That was her one good story and she killed her only enemy.
Just got done with S2. Fucking fantastic. I hope DD gets picked up for S3 and he gets the double D's on his costume.
How is it that Marvel and Netflix can make DD such an amazing and well paced show, but then they go and turn JJ in to a massive shitfest?
>>80935473
Aw shit son they should do it Fugitive/U.S. Marshals style by making it about the police force or feds trying to track him down but make them relatable as well.
Oh marvel why are you punishing me? I am kidding!
>>80935434
Who fucking cares? I'm a white male and I didn't even notice.
>>80935485
srsly,is there more to Jessica's character then being Cage's gf and being raped by Purple man?
Honest to god question.
>>80935506
JJ wasn't bad. It just had a different tone and was a little slower. But that was deliberate.
Jeph Loeb bullshit translation for those who can't read between the lines:
We wanted to do a Punisher series but we didn't want to pay Bernthal what he was worth and sent him a lowball offer for said spin-off. He rightfully told us to fuck off and and as such, we won't be makng a Punisher series until Bernthal comes crawling back or we find a replacement for him, preferably Thomas Jane who we hope we can get to both work cheap and make people forget Bernthal even existed
>>80935537
>the fifth season of agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. suddently became GOAT
>>80934006
I'm a total Frankfag and I'd be okay with no Punisher series, but with him appearing in other stuff.
>>80935596
That's not what happened. Bernthal has said on multiple occasions he wants to do it if Marvel wants it.
>>80935313
She's Bendis's pet creator. She's going to get shoved down our throats, in the media, no matter what
>>80935539
they have a kid and you find out she wanted peter parker's cock in high school, that's about it for JJ
and if she ever wanted peter's cock in MCU she'd be quite the pedophile with the new casting age difference
>>80935623
meant for >>80935520
I know the Punisher is badass
>>80934006
I had zero interest in the DD show until Punisher's arrival.
Which run was the character closest to, or was it serialized and whit washed for tv? I love the Punisher and even I don't think he works well as a character for syndicated television.
>>80935669
Dear lord it's fucking perfect. I mean, have a separate SHIELD spec ops team focus on catching Punisher but have Coulson as director as a recurring character. Boom. Connected.
>>80935741
*On Netflix so it actually makes sense
>>80935040
>final episode of the Defenders
>building up to a final battle with the big bad of Madame Gao's organization
>Defenders putting up a good battle but the bad guy firmly gets the upper hand
>Bad guy about to give the killing strike
>Bullet rips through their head
>Punisher up on rooftop with sniper
Although it worries me that they'd frank it if they tried to frank a Frank, I would like to see more Frank. I just really don't want them to frank like they always do and frank my Frank.
>>80935040
I want a solo Punisher, but I really like the idea of this.
Man on a mission, I tells ya.Who'll get the honors of being microman?
>>80935704
They obviously took a lot of inspiration from the MAX run, but they managed to show a more human side of the punisher without making him look like a pussy.
>>80935040
So make him like the Nick Furry of Netflix where he shows up as a symbol that the shows are connected , I like that idea better
>>80935704
netflix isn't syndicated television
and it wasn't whitewashed really, he killed a lot of people, but he was a more emo than god-tier MAX frank ever really was
it was just a glorified retelling of his origin, using elements from MAX, like kitchen irish being one of his antagonists etc
>>80935704
>syndicated television
You have no idea what that term means
Punisher shoots baddies, watch your scalp or you better die
>>80935485
She still has that Roxxon corporation storyline to do, and she'll probably get actual flying powers. And seeing as how S2 will more than likely take place after Defenders, the aftermath of that can be added in as well.
>>80935902
this is why there's likely to be a punisher show regardless of what marvel is saying right this minute
zero reason to drop the micro shit at the end otherwise, using part of someone else's show to tell a frank + micro get together story would be bullshit for both sides
>>80935539
>>80935485
JJ had a pretty different tone, and changed things quite a bit from Alias. Plus it's no surprise they're doing a second season, the first one did insanely well, and was arguably more popular than Daredevil, so it's not like Netflix would pass it up.
Probably like season one they'll change things around more, maybe if we're lucky it won't even be adaptations. Or if it is, it'll be pretty broad strokes. Which is good because Bendis sucks.
>>80935434
>Every black male in DD was a criminal, bum, or given freebies at a job they did mediocre at.
Now take your (you) and fuck off.
>>80935418
have you ever been tired mate?
Was JJS2 even confirmed?
>>80935943
>>80935966
My mistake. I haven't been following this series at all.
That was sorta my concern, that they'd force Frank to get too talkative and mopey. He's best just killing people while his inner monologue runs, but that's hardly good tv.
>>80936035
I don't think Ben was given any freebies
>>80936067
yes
>>80935968
wut? how can defenders happen before JJ2? we need the iron fist movie before defenders happens and they only JUST confirmed that casting, and JJ2 would be what, November?
idk if the iron fist netflix movie would be done before that, let alone defenders too would it?
i'd expect Luke Cage/JJ2 to both happen before Iron Fist and defenders after that?
Luke is September, so if Jessica is November again, i'd expect iron fist around end of the year and defenders pretty fast after, unless they can rush iron fist to be earlier, but i still wouldn't expect defenders to happen until after Luke/JJ2 happens
>>80936088
Yeah, and look how that worked out for him.
>>80936088
>>80936150
man I miss ben
>>80936117
Iron Fist isn't a movie, what are you talking about? And Jessica Jones S2 is confirmed but without a release date, the Defenders might come before it
>>80936035
thats why DD's based and JJ's shit
If Punisher shoots you, you will pay the price
>>80935084
Punisher Anthology Series - mini-arcs ala MAX or War Journals where it's just little stories of Frank being Frank and occasionally there's some recurring characters and story threads.
>>80936150
Yeah, killed by a white male autist villain.
You're not really helping your argument
Fuck this Defenders shit. They should just focus on Daredevil. Iron Fist could be cool, but I can't think of more boring characters to give shows to than Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.
is not enough you get kungfu white guy season2 and kungfu white guy series 2
you want another white guy show on top of that?
come on now
>Jessica Jones season 2
>Jessica drinking again
>Jessica having a hangover again
>the annoying neighbours still being annoying
>the junkie neighbor still being a junkie
>a new baddie being the baddie in the shadows
>Luke Cage still being very disquietingly erotic
>JJ's irritating friend still being irritating
>Carrie Ann Moss still making butchy dyke faces
>rinse and repeat
>>80935520
I think that it'd be best to break Frank's series down into an episodic format against a single organization. One episode focuses on his intelligence gathering, the next on the execution of his plan. You set up how he operates then you begin breaking it. First two episodes, things go off perfectly. Next two episodes, things get a bit rough but he manages to improvise. Next two episodes have things go bad but he kinda pulls off what he was going for. Next two things go completely off the rails. The rest of the season is Frank trying to finish what he started while trying to stay one step ahead of the cops and the criminals.
Punisher does not let crime win or escape when he battles it out
>You will never see Barracuda on screen.
>>80936432
last thing i heard was they were going to do a netflix movie instead of a full 13 episode thing, maybe that's not the case anymore?
if it's going to be a full 13 episode thing, that only reinforces my point that no way can defenders happen before JJ2 then
>>80936581
Neither are you, cause I'm assuming you're white and you're definitely autistic.
Sounds like they were on to something.
>>80935485
Popular as in more actual people are talking about it or the usual paid comic people spin PR to hype it up?
>>80934979
>There will be no Thunderbolts with Justin Hammer as their tech guy
>>80936877
>you will never see Michael Clarke Duncan as Barracuda
Punisher fires his rifle like a badass
>>80935040
>yfw he shows up with Nick Fury decked out with pouches in everyone's shows
based
>>80937253
We'd have to settle for Tiny Lister but he's kinda old.
>>80937063
>>80937063
Do you think Netflix has to do a season a year or something? At most they'll do Jessica Jones S2 for late 2017 and push Defender for 2018, but I don't really see them doing that, my bet is Iron Fist for early 2017 and then Defenders near the end of the year, and Jessica S2/Daredevil S3 for 2018
>>80934006
>Jessica SJWones
>>80934006
You didn't see the whole season right?
Dumbass it is clear that he will have is own series IF everything goes right.
>>80937427
You cant just do that can you?
>>80934704
Jokes on you Matt Murcuck I loved the amount of Punisher I got in this and wasn't disappointed in the least.
>>80934006
>Jessica SJWones
Oh grow up.
>>80935434
>implying Nuke was a villain and not the real hero.
I wish Frank and Steve could interact in this universe.....
>>80935506
JJ was fine for the first 2/3 of its season. The problem was that the writers just stretched the conflict with Killgrave a bit too far then it should have been. JJ should have had some filler episodes with shorter self contained stories that had nothing to do with the main plot.
Seriously Jessica is a PI with superpowers, they could have come up with some original cases for her to solve. Hell she has bills to pay and the Killgrave case was not paying them so it would be a good way to explain how she wasn't getting evicted towards the end of the season. She could be forced to have to take on another smaller case when the trail on Killgrave goes cold.
>>80935321
Proof that frank not only has a soul, but soul POWAH!
>>80936035
The black cop was just stupid as a character.
>CALL DA AMBERLAMPSES
>Whoa-ho no I ain't tellin you shit! Okay okay fuck here's what happened...
>>80935018
I want thiiiis
>>80936035
So...realistic vs. Jessica jones fabricated liberal utopia.
>>80934006
>more jessica jones
She's so fucking irrelevant. STOP.
Honestly I'd prefer netflix do a spiderman show at this point.
>>80937063
Have you been living under a rock from late last year? Scott Buck (Dexter, Dix Feet Under) was pronounced show-runner in last December 2015. Finn Jones (Game of Thrones) was leaked as Danny Rand on Feburary 25th. (/co/ had a grand old time over the shitstorm.) He was confirmed this week. Production begins early April.
>>80935018
>>80938059
>somehow gets stuck in space while Earth's getting wrecked
>Franks some xenos with Rocket
>goes full 90s hardcore with armor and alien guns for awhile
>goes apeshit when Cap get slapped into red mist
>Rocket cobbles a gun together with using the powerstone
>"Bang..."
>>80938326
*Six *Late
Are you hype, yet?
>>80938237
Same. Especially if guys like Mysterio, Vulture and Rhino actually got some focus.
>>80938237
Too bad he's such an A-lister.
>>80938210
What can they even do for S2?
>>80938525
Hi, le /tv/ here. Le more black guy fucking
eblin
>>80938525
>A-lister
Real talk, what the fuck is Daredevil? Honorary A-lister?
>>80935040
>as a villain
>>80938578
B/High-C lister pretty much since Frank Miller.
>>80938656
Jessica doesn't necessarily have an aversion to his methods.
>>80938578
I would say a top B lister
>>80934006
The could make a show just on Fisk & Frank. The could call it Crime and Punishment.
>>80938578
B++
Since this is a Frank thread, can we take a moment to talk about how AMAZING The Punisher game was?
>Team up with Nick Fury, set off a nuke before its launched
>Have a chat with Kingpin, but first you got to plow through his army and Bullseye
>Fuck up Tony's tower while killing Yakuza trying to steal Iron Man tech
>Telling Matt Murdock to take a hike
>Using zoo animals as a means of interrogation
>Crashing a mob funeral
>>80938743
>>80938769
>>80938888
But with Frank Miller he became top seller. And he became one once again in the late 90's, early 00's. And his overall ratio of quality is quite refreshing, dat volume 2 has over 100 issues of good shit.
>>80934006
Good, they should use him sparingly and have him appear in other people shows to shake things up.
So who the fuck was the blacksmith? Was it that faggot on the ship? All that fucking build up for some literal who?
>>80939327
It was the general
>>80939363
Oh. That makes sense I guess. But why did he order people to kill the DA and the CME and all that? Why did he go after Karen?
And what was with the Micro CD?
>>80939327
It was either Frank's old Colonel or some unseen character still out there
>>80939327
Did you miss the Clancy Brown getting t-boned?
>>80939477
It was Frank's old Colonel.
>>80938326
Speaking of shitstorms. People are /still/ writing article after article about Iron Fist/ the casting. Love to see the eggs on their face, when it's not 13 hours of "White guy saving the weak Asians" the show, but instead of a young adult who had everything took from him, who everybody presumed dead, getting his revenge/his fortune back, ala "The Scarlett Pimpernel".
>>80939475
>But why did he order people to kill the DA and the CME and all that?
Because he knew Frank would be blamed for it.
>Why did he go after Karen?
She was apart of his law team and they were still poking their noses around. Remember that Matt, Foggy and Karen were in that meeting with Reyes when she died, he was probably trying to kill all of them there. Tying up loose ends.
>>80935040
>Jessica Jones gotta stop this murderer
>not MUH METHODS
>Frank gets his ass kicked from NY to Kansas and all the way back 24/7
>Frank is written like shit in JJ and is a pussy
>JJ outsmarts Franks every move, unless when he is being manipulative cistraight
>JJ buddies kick franks ass just because too
>>80936035
who the fuck is that?
>>80939840
Hi /tv/!
They'll probably give him one after Defenders. But for now I imagine they want to actually get through all their initially planned series and the Defenders team-up first.
>>80937412
they've spaced their other shows by about a year, so it makes sense to think JJ2 would be November again, or close to it
could they delay it? i guess, but it hasn't been their track record, they seem to like keeping it around the same time each year on their shows
>>80938326
i heard all those things, but i ALSO heard that they had swapped from 13 episodes to a movie format, but i guess that didn't go through
i don't care which they do, it doesn't matter to the point i was talking about really anyway, which is i still expect to see JJ2 before defenders happens
with Luke in September, and if they stick to they ~1 year gap between seasons we'd see JJ2 around November, Iron Fist after that, then Defenders
could shake out differently, but i'd be super surprised if they space out JJ seasons by more than 11-13 months, given that's their usual schedule with other various netflix shows (including marvel, see: DD was 11 months apart).
i dont know why they're so fond of the year timing, i'd guess just because audiences are used to it from usual TV shows so many years, but netflix sure tries to stick to it so far
>>80939919
in his defense the
>not muh methods
happened this season... a lot.
>>80940049
Jones isn't DD. She doesn't give a fuck about that.
Just got finished with episode 9.Kingpin being a straight baller was pretty fun to watch. Frank getting double-crossed and then just franking his way out of the situation was also amazing. Oh, and fucking Nobu. I swear to christ, this show is concrete proof of the rule of inverse ninjas.
>>80938866
That would be fucking good.
>>80940108
She went "I dont kill, no nuke, we dont kill! Nuke, no! Nuke, dont kill the BBEG! Nuke!"
>>80935313
People just want to be mad. Why /co/ is bringing this up so much recently is beyond me
>>80940108
Officer Simpson rings any bells?
>>80940170
Until the final episode
![[liberty intensifies].gif](https://i.imgur.com/ibP2YsQ.gif "[liberty intensifies].gif")
>>80940170
Nuke did nothing wrong.
>>80940185
Me and my wife's biracial son both agree. It's ridiculous.
>>80934979
>Justin Hammer
But he's in jail, not dead.
>>80935704
>I had zero interest in the DD show until Punisher's arrival.
At least you admit it. Stay out of the Daredevil threads
>>80940170
And then "snap".
To be honest, I didn't really care about the ninja shit going on with Daredevil. I was just waiting for Punisher's next scene.
>>80940213
Yep, but I bet shes still pretty NOT MUH METHODS, THAT WAS DIFFERENT these days
>>80940223
USA USA USA USA
>>80934006
I can't wait for all this Frankfaggotry to die.
He's always been more suited as an antagonist/deuteragonist paired with a goody-two-shoes hero than he is as a solo character.
>>80934006
>'No punisher series planned' says Marvel Boss
>>80940170
only because that meant no way to prove Hope's innocence. Jessica had an irrational fixation with saving Hope because she'd come to see Hope as a proxy of herself, and that saving her would in some way save herself, or at least prove she wasn't a failure of a superhero.
as soon as Hope died, the plan became 'nothing to lose now, fuck being a superhero it's time for murder' and knowing that would be the case is specifically why Hope killed herself.
>>80934006
>When Matt threatens to revoke Vanessa's visa
I have never feared for a fictional character's life so much
Does everybody else ( Luke, Jones, Iron etc) have a no killing code? Cause I don't want Frank appearing only to be told not to be Punisher
>>80940355
Must suck to be the one person whos not having fun, eh?
>>80940355
>He's always been more suited as an antagonist/deuteragonist paired with a goody-two-shoes hero than he is as a solo character.
This is the kind of shit spouted by people with absolutely no imagination.
>>80940372
And because hope was really, really into killing killgrave, up to the point of stabbing her own neck so jessica would grow some balls and do it.
>>80940170
She had a practical reason for wanting to keep Kilgrave alive. She wanted to expose Kilgrave and get Hope exonerated.
>>80940346
I feel the same. I love Daredevil as a character but it felt like he didn't have a clear goal this season other than stopping the Punisher. The stuff with Stick was enjoyable, though.
>>80939840
>Jessica Jones gotta stop this murderer
There is absolutely no way Jess could stop Frank. Shit, once Matt was on his radar he had plenty of chances to off him and chose not to.
I mean I know this is bait, but he's got the entire Justice Department on his ass, and some halfass'ed private dick is going to take him down?
>>80940223
Is this a woman or Chris Evans?
Nice tits.
>>80940456
Fair enough.
But I bet she wouldnt aprove of the punisher.
We'll see.
>>80938370
>Obliterates Thanos
>Everyone else looks at him
>"What are you slackers looking at? There's still an army to kill."
>>80940223
Nuke was right about killing Kilgrave, but did literally everything else wrong.
>>80935473
>I have only seen the Punisher in Netflix DD
Fucking faggot
>>80940471
not exactly bait, just my fears condensed into a post
>>80938578
Daredevil's a pretty solid B-lister, though the show's arguably lifted him to a very low A-lister.
The general populace has probably heard of him, but doesn't really know a lot about him. Anyone who's remotely interested in comics and superheroes knows who he is and what his thing is.
>>80940504
>We'll see.
When? Is Frank gonna be in JJ Season 2?
I'd be very okay with this.
>More JJ
I want Bendis to go, unless season 2 episode 1 is the scene where Vision fuck her up and 12 episodes of her in a coma with random cuts to Luke fucking far more attractive and interesting women.
>zombie ninjas
who enjoys this childish crap?
>>80940471
>cant take frank down
LOL, she would punish the shit of all those fancy locks Frank has in his weapon boxes.
So, yeah... she could fuck her up, that that wouldnt unfuck all the locks she would've busted by then.
>>80939987
The "Iron Fist will be a movie you guises" was rumour started by Peel the Orange. It was always going to be a series, any thought contrary was debunked by Joe Q in an on-carpet interview.
>>80940633
So far he will only receive a " mention ".
But you know... lets wait and see.
>>80940646
>blind man who can see using super senses
Who enjoys this childish crap?
>>80940403
I had fun, I thought he was great in DD, but I don't think posting "Frank franked a Frank, it was Frank/10" 8 times a day is fun. You don't need to be the worst kind of memester casual to have fun.
>>80940429
There's no need for imagination here, there's 30+ years of comics that feature the guy, and I've always preffered him as a supporting character than a MC because he's specifically designed to be a moral foil to heroes. Which is why he was introduced as a Spidey antagonist in comics and as a DD antagonist on TV.
As a solo guy he's just some vigilante with guns and a revenge plot, and there have been tons of that in B movies.
>>80940746
>no need for memes
True that, but let the boys have fun. It's not like their memes are hurting you.
>>80940726
>fairly tame superpower
>on the same level of immaturity as ZOMBIE NINJAS
>ZOMBIE
>NINJAS
>>80940649
>So, yeah... she could fuck her up, that that wouldnt unfuck all the locks she would've busted by then.
I keep forgetting /co/ doesn't read comics.
>>80940726
its just like muh animated korean cave paintings
>>80940684
fine with me, more hours to waste watching netflix
i hope they work on their pacing though, it was forgivable in DD1, annoying but also forgivable in JJ1 since both were the first seasons, but the pacing being kinda meh in DD2 doesn't have an excuse, hopefully JJ2/IF1 see that do a better job in that area
DD2 would have benefited from having the same showrunner as DD1 i think
>>80940817
We are talking about the show. Try to follow the thread. Also, it was clearly a joke.
Get off your high horse, you are no better than the rest of us, you piece of shit.
>>80940870
DD2 episodes 1-7? was one of the most marathonable chain of episodes I've ever experienced in television though, especially 1-4
>>80940746
Frank exists to show what happens when heroes got over the edge and abandon all their restraint. He's seemingly more effective but at the same time, he's homeless, he's got no friends, no connections, and the police see him as a menace no better than the people he fights.
>>80940646
People who understand that the show isn't about the action on the outside but rather the internal drama inside of Matt's heart.
I mean sure, you could talk about the ninjas, but then you'd miss the choices he makes (which are so well summed up in his choices between Karen and Elektra), or how the Punisher is the demon he fights to never be.
But yeah, ninjas. Just wait until Iron Fist hits you crybaby.
>>80940817
(you)
here.
You sad, sad example of a person.
>>80934006
>Plan on doing one season of DD then doing defenders after the others are introduced
>DD season one hits
>people react to DD season one
>FUCK QUICK GREENLIGHT SEASON 2
>Season 2 of DD
>State before release of season there are no plans on doing a punisher series
>DD season 2 releases
>reaction to punisher overwhelmingly fucking positive
yeah...yeah sure i'm sure they wont do anything with this character because as we all know they never change their lineup for any reason at all.
>>80940815
Well yeah, exactly.
>>80940942
dont feed him, nobody can be that retarded.
>>80940925
So the plot of every Richard Bronson movie, except replace heroes with cops.
>>80936536
Id be happy with a punisher netflix movie quite honestly. He isn't like JJ or DD where hes got these side characters you can explore the lives of or have him doing other shit. nobody wants to see punisher working a dayjob or whatever. But a movie focusing on just the plot or even a mini series...thatd be fucking perfect.
>>80935473
Ok, so make his villains the focus with him in pursuit. Like take it as if you're setting up to the kill by giving the villain and those around him with his bullshit most of the focus at first, like how DD season one gave Fisk a ton of episodes himself. Start the season introducing the villain and his illicit shit, set up his boys and allow the villain his time letting us see his operation or the build up to it, then we follow the punisher taking them out piece by piece. Barracuda for example, lets say the season is just about him, but you first have to have at least a few episodes dedicated to him, his backstory in the military like Frank, his collecting his boys and establishing his turf, his killing the competition and alone doing shit, then he gets the Punisher's attention and we continue from there.
>>80940746
>As a solo guy he's just some vigilante with guns and a revenge plot, and there have been tons of that in B movies.
so? plenty of people enjoy his comics, the fact that similar stories exist in other media is no reason to not adapt the source material as faithfully as you can
frank's plenty great on his own, read the MAX series if you havent
he definitely doesn't need to be paired with a hero, in fact the moralizing that spidey/dd/etc always get into when they're around him is annoying as fuck
>>80941003
Charles Bronson? Specifically Death Wish?
Death Wish was a response to the lawlessness of the 70s and 80s in America's cities (specifically NYC), and honestly it wasn't much beyond a simple revenge flick.
>>80940346
I was interested in everything besides the ninja shit
>Punisher
>Stick
>Fisk
>Legal shenanigans
>chilling with Melvin
why did they make the only lame part the real focus of the season? Elektra was annoying and The Hand just wasn't interesting
>>80940974
Alright stop, what are we trying to argue here? You guys lost me.
>>80941089
>Elektra was annoying
>>80941089
THHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS
>>80940870
The big issue with pacing in TV shows is that they stretch a couple of plots over to 13 episodes and then just sort of throw shit in there to make the time and sparse the plot points evenly enough.
Whether the plot is fitted for 13 episodes is irrelevant, most of the time it isn't and a lot of what happens is just stuffing to keep you intrigued enough.
>>80940925
>police see him as a menace no better than the people he fights
Not always, some writers portray both sides, some cops supporting him (doing what cops can't do), and some cops dissaprove (doing what nobody should do). In the comics, it's hardly ever just a clean issue.
>>80940916
i liked it and all, but i found punisher's arc at the start to be kind of rushed, whereas near the end of the season things could have happened faster, and across the entire season there was too much exposition as a whole, and way way way too much time spent on foggy being the same whiney bitch he was last year
most of which could have been fixed or at least minimized by pacing it better, not sure how much of that you'd consider a writing issue instead (or too?) though
definitely would have had another episode of frank's arc before elektra came in though, and cut some of the drag later on to account for it
>>80940817
You sound like one of those assholes that goes to superhero movies and keeps talking during the movie about how things are different in the comics and why it is all wrong.
>>80935473
Why not make it like that then? Basically horror genre where the boogeyman is Frank and the characters you view the action through are criminal scum
>>80941089
I don't get the hate on elektra and the hand. I loved seeing DD fight ninjas and i loved elektra every time she was on screen. She was just this fucked up lunatic desperately trying to grasp onto some strand of humanity. and they doled it out nicely. They didn't just introduce her character as this conflicted person. She seems to relish her own ridiculousness but as the show goes on you come to understand how damaged and desiring of something like a normal life she is.
i honestly have yet to hear any actual detailed criticism of her character beyond 'annoying bitch and i dont like her'.
>>80941093
Just dont feed the damn troll, anon made a joke, the troll comes with the old "/co/ doesnt read comics" meme and you come in and feed him.
Simple.
>>80940391
That scene was fucking amazing.
>>80941155
>foggy being the same whiney bitch he was last year
Except he has literally no idea what's going on other than Matt's vaguely fighting crime. It's not Foggy's vault that Matt pushes everyone away.
>>80941182
I initially hated her and grew to like her more as the season progressed, which I'm sure was the intention.
>>80935485
If they did just her doing her day job that would be great. Both Daredevil and Jessica Jones would have been better served with them figuring out odd clients for a little while
>>80941089
elektra was the best part of the season, what the fuck did you watch?
sarcastic homicidal sociopath dragging matt around by the nose while he bitches the whole time? shit was hilarious, i'd watch a weekly sitcom of just that
and the hand is one of daredevil's biggest antagonists, it's great they're finally taking their proper role on the show
>>80941127
Which is funny cos season one had one arcing plotline and people complained the plot was stretched too thin and that the episodes were too many for the story.
and now season 2 the complaints im seeing are the opposite. they didnt give frank enough time, they should have removed this plot to focus on that other ninja plot or vice versa.
So as far as i can tell one plot is not enough, and two is too many. Of course i'm sure theres some deep cinematically learned nuanced reasoning why one was not enough and two is too many that noone can be bothered actually explaining.
>that tracking shots when DD was taking out the biker gang
fucking awesome
>>80941036
>the moralizing that spidey/dd/etc always get into when they're around him is annoying as fuck
Well it only works if the moralizing goes both ways and Frank actually gets some decent arguments in.
I know some people like him solo, I don't.
>>80941063
That's my point, anon. Punisher plays out like most revenge flicks from the 70s because that's literally where he's from.
>>80940391
>I have never feared for a fictional character's life so much
D'onofrio is good at that.
>>80941251
>i'd watch a weekly sitcom of just that
how? that shit got boring after her first episode
>>80934006
I kinda feel like Punisher couldn't be done well on TV.
Since they would get just about everything wrong.
>THIS IS MY MACHINE BULLET ASSAULT RIFLE PISTOL GUN.
>IT SHOOTS 500 CALIBER MILIMETER BULLETS
>THE ASSAULT CLIPS CAN OLD A MAXIMUM OF 150 BULLETS PER CARTRIDGE
>THE SNIPER AIMDOT SCOPE RETICLE CAN ACCURATELY MEASURE A LASER TO 5 MILES
>>80941251
>elektra was the best part of the season
Let's not say stuff we're gonna regret.
>Netflix is giving a chance to little known characters
>Punisher has had three movies and tons of exposure
>frankfags mad that Marvel isn't cancelling its plans to give them more Punisher
Jesus it's like if Batman showed up on The Flash and batfags went "Where's the Batman show DC? Jesus I'm starving for Batcontent over here."
>>80941232
I'm not sure why all these stories need to be seperate shows. Couldn't the Kilgrave plot have been DD Season 2 with JJ meeting Matt and they fight KG together.
Then Season 3 is the Punisher and Luke Cage is somehow also introduced.
Season 4 introduces Iron Fist.
Something like that.
>>80941143
>cops support him because he does what they cant
>cops hate him because he makes them nothing more than meter maids.
nobody likes competition that can do your job better.
>>80941228
Yeah, at first she just seemed like an arrogant bitch. Once she got slashed with the poison blade and she and Matt started talking she started to feel like more of a fleshed out character.
>Elektra parts finally get to take Matt out of abandoned parking lot A or rundown shanty B and their chemistry is actually pretty damn good
>people say she was the worst part of the show
thats not Foggy or Stick
>>80941214
why is it his business? every time matt tries to talk to him or foggy finds out about it some other way all he does is whine at him that he needs to stop, which he either knows (or fucking should, it's his best friend and they did talk about it last year) isn't going to happen
would you want to tell foggy things about your daredevil work only to be incessantly bitched at about it? foggy is like the worst nagging wife/mother in the MCU to date
i'd push him away too, preferably off a tall building
praying karen, with her waffling on frank and the comments she made to matt will at least be written as the supportive one next year, even though she'd worry too
foggy and his butthurt about being lied to about a SECRET identity was whiney bullshit the first time around, it didn't need to be dragged up 10 more times this year
>>80941292
When I first found out that Kingpin used to private pyle, I thought it was the greatest thing ever.
>>80941308
>THIS IS MY MACHINE BULLET ASSAULT RIFLE PISTOL GUN.
>IT SHOOTS 500 CALIBER MILIMETER BULLETS
>THE ASSAULT CLIPS CAN OLD A MAXIMUM OF 150 BULLETS PER CARTRIDGE
>THE SNIPER AIMDOT SCOPE RETICLE CAN ACCURATELY MEASURE A LASER TO 5 MILES
>>80934545
DD never had a series under the Max banner!
>>80941340
You are simplifying it an awful lot. Cops in the punisher's world aren't that basic, they still have jobs to do and criminals put away. Some cops like Frank because he goes beyond the law, and always gets results. Some obviously hate him for the reason you are stating, but not all of them. I wish I could point to specific issues, but I recall some cops in the story that back me up.
I think in edmondson's run, the female cop in the beginning supported the punisher.
>>80941388
It's just Frankfags, and no one gives a shit about what Frankfags think.
The OP is proof of that.
>>80934006
I'm shocked that Disney decided not to address the shortage of white male power fantasies
>>80941292
Holy Jesus. What is that? What the fuck is that!?
>>80941302
not for me, i thought she was hilarious the whole way through whenever it wasn't obvious drama moments
loved her and her antics, very few moments with her around that i disliked
>>80941319
see above, don't regret it!
>people hated best girl
Elektra literally did nothing wrong
>>80941402
>You're working on the biggest, most complicated case of your career and your partner keeps leaving to go do......something and not explaining what. You have some vague idea what is going on, but you don't know the specifics, and you can't tell anybody about it. You've reached the point where your secretary is more reliable than your actual partner and you can't even tell her what is going on.
Foggy's anger was 100% justified.
>>80941388
>Stick
Nigger I will fight you.
The worse part of the show was Foggy and Karen. I literally couldn't care less about the lawyer shit and Karen got way too much screen time snooping around avoiding death every 5 minutes.
>>80941388
Foggy was the best part of this season.
>>80941459
Avin' a giggle?
You uh, goin on a ruse cruise?
In for a laff?
>>80941388
>worst part of the show
>not the Blacksmith
Fucking bullshit writing.
>>80941498
>brought Matt his father's killer
>YOU WANT ME TO KILL HIM? WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM??? FUCK OFFFFFF
>>80941549
>wah it wasnt a supervillain
>>80941549
>Blacksmith
>He turns out to be a white guy
What the fuck
>>80941402
Nah.
Foggy /was/ bitchy when he first found out in S1, but everything in S2 has been justified.
>>80941516
And to top it all off, he didn't even want to take the case in the first place.
>>80941549
Seriously, that shit came outta nowhere. Did they just want another way for Karen to be endangered?
>>80941286
>That's my point, anon. Punisher plays out like most revenge flicks from the 70s because that's literally where he's from.
I don't think he has to though. Frank's a human being, even if he's rarely portrayed as such. I always thought his relationship (NOT romance) with Rachel was criminally undeveloped.
>>80941206
Well sorry, I missed the joke. Didn't mean to rile everyone up.
>>80941333
>Netflix is giving a chance to little known characters
Well it was more along the lines of Disney not knowing what to do with these properties and Netflix desperate for content. They're not stifled by nightly schedules; they can release content as they see fit.
>>80941402
Because their firm was literally going out of business, then Matt decides to stick their collective reputation on the line over an open and shut case on a psychopath. Then he proceeds to bail on them for no reason whatsoever.
Foggy was 100% right. It's not his fault Matt pushes people away to feed his martyr complex.
>>80941253
>Which is funny cos season one had one arcing plotline and people complained the plot was stretched too thin and that the episodes were too many for the story.
My only issue there was how much time we spent on how Fisk loves Vanessa, but we didn't get much reasoning as to why she likes him. And his daily dealings with crime were a bit too numerous too, but nothing outrageous.
I think 2 plots work for s2, apparently they didn't have that much more material to make it all about the Punisher, but it's still the better executed plot, which is why people think it should have gotten more time at the expense of the other plot which wasn't executed as well.
The Hand/Elektra plot could probably have afforded to get a whole season, but it wasn't that engaging to me so I'm fine with them cramming it with something better. Plus we know they're not entirely done with it.
>So as far as i can tell one plot is not enough, and two is too many. Of course i'm sure theres some deep cinematically learned nuanced reasoning why one was not enough and two is too many that noone can be bothered actually explaining.
Not cinematic, just narrative. It's not about the number of plots, it's about what you have to tell in them to make them work, and what is superfluous, some plots require more or less time than others, but the 13 episodes lenght is a hard line.
What I'm getting at is, they probably didn't have 13 episodes of material for Frank there, so instead of stretching it out they condensed it and added another plot with more freedom to what you can add or take op the story. It gave them more flexibility,
The pacing/stretching in s1 was unperfect but didn't really damage anything imo, stretching it out is common in TV shows. The cramming in s2 was a bit more of a problem because it felt like there were whole stretches where one plot was taking over the other, and in the end neither had a really satisfying resolution. I think it damaged the Hand plot more.
>>80941631
It was such bullshit. Let's just throw that out there at the last second to completely stretch the amount of crap the audience will take.
You did not need it for Frank's story or Karen's. It really just hammered home how small the world is, just like Elektra's childhood.
>>80941560
It's not like Matt could kill him, that would invalidate characterization in S1.
He never tried to kill anyone before, remember.
>>80935018
>>80941251
>sarcastic homicidal sociopath dragging matt around by the nose while he bitches the whole time? shit was hilarious,
See that was pretty good in my book, but then they turned that part of her personality off gradually as she became good/bland girl.
>>80941516
being mad about him missing work is acceptable there
being a whiney bitch demanding he stop being a hero when he's obviously never going to is full on whiney wife/mother tier bullshit
he crossed over to the latter example almost every time, if he had just stuck to bitching about the impact to the case and not kept turning it into "YOU HAVE TO STOP OHMIGOD" and whining about danger/every other aspect of being a hero then it would have been tolerable
as it is it's made me loathe him even more than i did last year, and that's saying a lot
>>80941333
More it's like the reverse of how /co/ talks about Spider-Man joining the MCU.
>>80941758
No, but he shouldn't have been offended that Elektra offered him the chance.
instead of
>wow thanks but no thanks
we got
>WOWWWWWWWW NO FUCK OFF!!!!!
>>80941560
eye for an eye, i'm with elektra there
plus the way she's wired she doesn't even really understand (or at least didn't back then) why anyone wouldn't kill him in that situation
>>80941388
I kinda think the worst part of s2 was Matt. He just did things that the plot demanded and looked like an idiot.
>>80941627
Actually foggys anger in season 1 was justified as well. way more than in most cape shit shows.
I mean it wasn't just that his buddy was a super hero. But that he lied to him about his blindness for years, pretending he didnt know when his friend was lying to essentially patronize him so he didnt feel bad, putting him in a situation where he had to lie to karen to keep her in the dark, putting the practice they built in danger by doing something kind of at odds with being a lawyer.
He got pissed and got over it in a few episodes but i feel like his anger and feelings of betrayal were pretty natural and made sense. Maybe he didnt have an absolute right to all of matts secrets but it doesnt mean it didnt make sense for him to feel hurt by his best friend lying to him for all those years.
Honestly the only time foggy seemed annoyingly bitchy was at the start of season 2. they really shouldnt have had him obnoxious about it right off episode 1. Give the guy a few episodes for the actions of matt to begin having that negative effect on him and karen and the practice before he gets tired of it.
Though yeah from the moment they take the punisher case which he did not want on Matt was just an ass clown.
>>80941774
>Being concerned about your friends safety after finding him nearly dead on a rooftop is "being a whiney bitch"
Well, let's just say I don't agree. I was happy that Foggy got some vindication at the end of season after all the crap he went through.
>>80941475
Filename you child.
>>80941811
He...didn't though?
He wasn't offended that she offered him the chance, he was offended that she /pushed/ him to do so, and wasn't willing to accept when he said he wouldn't/couldn't.
>>80941878
who gives a fuck about small petty crap like Foggy's law career when there are zombie ninjas attacking the city
honestly, they tried to make you give a shit
>>80937253
AYY YO DEEBO
>>80935902
microchip, but we shall soon see. Wayne Knight played a decent Microchip for War Zone. Skye/Daisy knows Micro, so probably someone early 30s at the latest this time.
Does someone have a hi res cap of Frank in court with the American flag framed behind him?
>>80941656
>Frank's a human being
Hey not all revenge flicks are terrible, many of their protags are human.
>I always thought his relationship (NOT romance) with Rachel was criminally undeveloped.
I thought it didn't really feel justified in story. But yeah it wasn't that well developped.
>>80941903
You didn't realize that I replied to an FMJ picture with an FMJ quote? I figured most people would know the "Jelly Donut" thing.
