>From the 1940s
>Has no problem taking orders from a black guy
>Has no problem working with women
Why is Steve sobased?
Was there anything to show he was racist or sexist before?
>>80923297
Those words didn't even exist back then.
>>80923230
I get it that Steve was an extremely progressive people for the time, but his vocabulary alone would've gotten him into trouble, even if he meant no ill will by it. I mean, at some point he must have referred to Fury as a negro, right?
>>80923385
You're a credit to your people.
>/co/mblr
>>80923230
old steve was so scrawny I don't think he could have been racist or sexist like everyone else back then without getting laughed at so he developed some empathy.
>black widow will never test a new assassination technique on you, where she smothers you to death with her buttcheeks
>>80923414
>>80923230
"You will stay who you are. Not a perfect soldier, but a good man."
Nail on the head.
I love this guy. What are his best stories? The only one I've read was when Red Skull resurrected him and tried to posses him but Steve broke through. Shit was tight.
>>80923547
A gif would be better. This makes it seem like John is okay with what he just said.
>Born in poverty
>Fraught with sickness
>Social outcast
>Loses father to war
>Loses mother to disease
>Maintains an unwavering dedication to his ideals of justice
>Earns the opportunity to fight for his country
>Over the course of this, loses his best fried and is ultimately uprooted and outlives all his peers and the world he's grown into
>Brought back to life into a strange land, to learn that his ideals have long died and are now viewed as relics, and that the world has become progressively worse since then
>Forced into battle, in the process making new allies and rediscovering his purpose to defend the world
>Grows increasingly jaded with the manipulative aspects that permeate modern justice
>Learns that his old enemies have corrupted the institution he's fighting for and seemingly purges them
>Learns that his best friend, the last shred of his old life, has survived, but been subjected to unspeakable torture and reshaped into a monster by the very tyrants they sought to vanquish
>Manages to restore a fraction of his sanity, but loses him to the world
>Dedicate himself to ridding the world of his enemies, to the point he foregoes any semblance of normalcy and accepts that he is fated to fight until the day he dies, having outgrown his own chances of happiness
>Now his escalating mistrust of the government he represents will boil to the point he'll become an enemy of the only people he has been able to call "friends" since his rebirth and the people that he is dedicating himself to defend
>Also is a virgin
Being Captain America is suffering.
>>80923680
>Implying Cap didn't rail Natalie Dormer when she was all up in his dick in the war
>>80923759
>implying Cap didn't only have eyes for Peggy
>>80923504
jdimsa
>>80923297
it was called being normal back then
>>80923230
This is the Captain America needs. You know if he was around the Snowden debacle would be handled differently.
>>80923680
I want to Hug cap.
Yeah, it's not like he wasn't picked for being an exceptionally kind-hearted and selfless person or anything.
>>80923759
what a fucking slut
>>80923230
i don't really think steve is that kinda of guy
This is a Japanese Steve Rogers.
>>80923618
This
>>80923680
steve rogers had a hard life
>>80923314
buuuut that's what they were
>>80924049
"back then" being the operative words
>>80923504
>>80923928
eeewwwwww
>>80924321
The Captain America in a gay parade is over there, anon.
>>80923230
He was an outcast in Brooklyn in the 30s, he grew up among the oppressed
>>80924160
>>80923230
>From the 1940s
He worked with black people and women in the 40s though, you big silly goose
>>80923230
The Howling Commandos are literally MCU's most diverse team
>>80925373
>one black guy
>one Asian guy
>does a French guy count as more diversity?
>no women
Ehhh....The New Avengers seem just as diverse if not more.
>>80925414
Susan pls
>>80925373
>all right handed
I want to see more left handed characters.
>>80925543
Sue's not even in the MCU
>>80925588
I don't, lefties are cancer
>>80925414
Carter counts as part of the group
>>80925588
>not killing southpaws on sight
You've gone too far!
>>80925414
Yes, having a Frenchman and a Brit makes the group International, that's diversity at it's finest. Only Americans think that diversity ends with skin color.
>>80925648
Seemed like she rarely went on missions with them in the movie though. If she and Cap were together all the time you'd think they would have time for a dance or two, or at least some fondue before he got frozen.
>>80925715
>Only Americans think that diversity ends with skin color.
Or maybe there's a difference between cultural diversity and genetic diversity that isn't being addressed? In America a guy of French ancestry and a guy of British ancestry are probably indistinguishable.
>>80925723
It seems she was the liason between the team and the upper command.
>>80925779
so more like what Fury or Maria Hill were to the Avengers, than a member of the team.
>>80925808
Pretty much, though I think she did hang out with them more when they weren't in the trenches.
>>80925761
>In America a guy of French ancestry and a guy of British ancestry are probably indistinguishable.
That's pretty racist of you.
>>80925836
>WW2
>trenches
>>80923680
Now remember the bitch who gave it to him up the ass over not being American because he doesn't have a MySpace or watch American Idol.
Believe it or not, not everyone born after 1960 was racist.
Or rather the type of racist we think of when we think "old people". Americans have been fighting about race and equality for way longer than a lot of people think.
>>80925889
>what is the Battle of Stalingrad
>>80925873
Is it? Is it racist of me to say I can't tell the difference between a Chinese person and a Korean person at a glance? Now imagine if those two guys grew up in the same country, spoke the same language and maybe didn't even have their ancestral last name anymore.
>>80925948
before, not after.
Fuck, nevermind, I've gotta get to work.
>>80923631
Well he IS a credit to his people after all!
>>80925761
>In America a guy of French ancestry and a guy of British ancestry are probably indistinguishable
Thank god they weren't American
>>80923230
That's because Steve's is a good goyim.
>>80923230
In movie canon he assembled the first racially integrated unit in US Military history. The Howling Commandos in CA:TFA predated real-life desegregation by several years.
Also irl Gabe Jones was the first non-stereotypical black hero character in comics. The colorist for the cover of the first issue even colored him white because he assumed that the indicated color was a mistake since Jones wasn't drawn like a caricature.
But on the other hand, during WWII it was perfectly acceptable to be racist against asians and germans since they were the enemy so we have all those "Slap a Jap" war bonds posters and stuff.
And jumping ahead a little, Cap's long-time partner Falcon was the first african-american comic hero to not have "black" in his name. He wasn't the first black guy with powers, that went to Black Panther, but he was the first african-american with powers.
Cap has always been pro-civil-rights.
>>80925715
>>80926040
If the French guy counts, then Scarlet Witch is from Sokovia so that's more diversity for the New Avengers, and Black Panther counts as more diversity even though he's the third black guy. If you bring nationality into it, the Avengers movies BTFO the Howling Commandos even harder.
>>80926185
Oh, and Black Widow claims to be Russian so that too.
>>80923759
Underrated MCUfu.
>>80926214
She immigrated though
Falsworth and Dernier stayed loyal to their countries
>>80926326
What does that have to do with how "diverse" they are?
>>80926401
Nothing, she just doesn't represent her country the way those two did.
>>80925588
>wanting more sinners
>>80925373
>How come the black guy has the ray gun?
>>80923928
boi she thicc
>>80928513
the rest is competent enough with normal weapons
>>80923230
He's just a nice guy.
>a lower class new deal democrat from brooklyn with dreams of going to art school, the most likely one hed be able to get to being full of jews and socialist, was progressive for his day
No, really?
That would be too uncomfortable for modern audience.
We have this idea that being racist/sexist means you are 100% a shitty person because nowadays that is a fact.
But back then it was part of the culture so even the nice people were racist.
This shit is too uncomfortable for most americans in normal movies.
A superhero movie for children can make no attempt to tackle it.
Ironically this is sort of white washing history.
>>80930928
Steve's family was Irish, which were basically treated like black people at the time.
>>80923434
But back then it wasn't racist to call a black person a negro, it was just the word people used.
>>80923230
Steve knows what it's like to be powerless, so he's naturally not a dick with his authority. Progressive people were rare in his time, but not unheard of.
>>80923230
Yes, Steve's not racist, or sexist, or anything-ist despite being from the '40s. He's very much ahead of his time.
But that's kinda why he was chosen to be Captain America over everyone else.
>>80923230
I honestly think there was a just an adjustment period that was glossed over, theres no doubt he threw out a few negros here, or a toots or sweetheart there, but hes not the kind of guy to argue with you if youre offended by something he does or says, hes not an angry racist grandpa in a young persons body, hes the cool grandpa who thinks the internets cool cause he can watch old news serials on youtube and catch up with friends on facebook, and hes glad everybody seems to be getting on better than they used to, Ive no doubt he saw a few black kids get beat up just for being black, a single mother who took up with an abusive asshole because times were tough and her kids needed to eat, hes the kinda guy who probably had a sister or mother or friend who he knew was smarter than most guys he knew but had no chance at a better life because they were a woman. And I think hes thrilled we were able to fight most of the fights that led to a world where those problems arent the norm anymore but the exception, without Captain America.
>>80928513
>knows how to use it well
He was the techie who knew how to use the ray gun on Hydra's tank, remember?
>>80931138
It's a time period thing.
It's like saying Isaac Newton believed in alchemy and that makes him dumb, when he was one of the smartest people of his time.
Cap being racist and sexist, even if its not malicious (you're a credit to your race, a warzone is no place for a lady) just won't go down well with modern audiences.
>>80932230
Nope. He's the communications specialist that's fluent in several languages. The controls in the tank were labeled in german so Dugan didn't know where the start switch was, but Jones could read it.
>>80923230
Because if I had to work with someone as hot as Black Widow I would keep my mouth shut in front of my black boss and play it cool with the girl, I mean women worked back then, it is not like Black Widow is the leader or anything.
Also I am sure by now he would have adjusted to PC culture.
Captain America would not accept faggots though.
>>80932792
>Captain America would not accept faggots though.
Then why is he trying to save Bucky in CW.
>>80932669
I don't think Cap was ever like that in the comics anyway. Remember that the 40's was the era of Rosie The Riveter and there was a big acceptance of women taking over tough jobs while all the men were fighting the war. Not to mention that Agent 13 was in the very first issue of Captain America firing a tommy-gun.
Remember that sweet old lady that said the password about the weather when Peggy and Steve entered the secret instalation? In the comics, that was Agent 13 in disguise (and she didn't die). I'll admit that I haven't read much of the pre-60's Cap, but issue 1 clearly had no problem showing a female secret agent killing people with a machine gun (o/k/, so it's a carbine, but that's not the point).
>>80932850
>Then why is he trying to save Bucky in CW.
He is a hero who values life. You don't have to hate faggots and want them to die if you don;t accept them.
>Cap would be racist
>Cap would be sexist
>Cap would be homophobic
The person you're thinking of is John Walker, not Steve Rogers. Or maybe you're confusing Ultimate Cap with original Cap.
Steve has never been racist, sexist, or homophobic in the 616.
The 50's Cap, William Burnside, was paranoid with McCarthyism but he wasn't actually Steve (he just thought he was).
>>80932792
He was best friends with Arnie Roth.
Who was gay and had a boyfriend.
Also Chris Evans' brother Scott is gay..he has naked selfies.
Also Sebastian Stan has played two gay characters.
>>80925723
>Seemed like she rarely went on missions with them in the movie though.
She was apparently off committing war crimes.
>>80933046
As a weak man his entire life, looked down upon, mocked, easily beaten (but still able to take it all day), he may be white, for whatever that matters, but he knows what it's like to be marginalized, to be pushed down, held back, ignored, and smacked around.
At least that's the heavy emphasis the movie ran with. Living as a weakling allows him to see the strength and value inside everyone, and he goddamn hates a bully.
>>80932792
>Captain America would not accept faggots though
Do you even read comics?
>>80933156
>He was best friends with Arnie Roth.
>Who was gay and had a boyfriend.
>Also Chris Evans' brother Scott is gay..he has naked selfies.
>Also Sebastian Stan has played two gay characters.
I don't even care about the topic anymore I am just mad at the fact that so much gay characters are a thing even though gays are like only 5% of earth.
>>80933236
>She was apparently off committing war crimes.
>Believing a faked HYDRA dossier
>>80933363
Because het romances are boring?
>>80933542
>Because het romances are boring?
No. Screw your delusional poisoned mind.
Hetero relationships are awesome and pure.
>>80933814
Lesbians > straight > gay male
From most pure to least pure.
You can not dispute this.
>>80933814
het romances are never pure because they're all about a man trying to conquer, win, or otherwise own a women. het romances are inherently tainted by traditional notions of women-as-property
>>80923504
Kill me
>>80933363
That 5% seems very suspect considering being gay still carries a potentially huge social stigma, especially in certain countries on this planet where it can get you stoned to death. And then there is the whole bisexuality angle.
Anyway thing is even if it WAS just 5% Cap would be fine with it. He represents the American ideal, the way we should be but sadly rarely live up to. But Cap does. Most of the time, anyway. He certainly tries harder than most.
I am the only one disappointed that they didn't went with CA3 Serpent Society? I'm mostly disappointed that this means all of Cap's enemies were HYDRA/HYDRA related (with the exception of Batroc) for 3 movies.
I feel like Marvel didn't trust on the Captain America IP alone to face against Batman, so they put most of the Avengers + Spider-man to play it safe.
>>80934235
But BvS comes out like month and a half before CW, they are not facing each other.
>>80934088
Why would it seem suspect? the assumption used to actually be 10% BECAUSE they were just overcompensating for the liklihood of those in the closet, 5% is STILL compensating for those in the closet Plus bisexuals are an even greater minority than strict homosexuals.
>>80934368
They don't know the real numbers. It's all just guesswork.
Even setting aside societal factors, especially in large parts of the world where, again, being killed is a factor, bisexuals would be harder to pin down due to less need to identify as such. Such things might be passed off as merely experimentation or perhaps a bisexual identifies stronger with craving the opposite sex so considers him or herself primary hetero and doesn't feel the need to mention the occasional same sex. Not to mention societal pressures would make someone who COULD go either way feel more strongly pressured to go the "correct" way or face society's wrath.
And NONE of that even comes close to addressing whether Captain America would care what percentage of the population you are before he considers you important. Here's a hint: it really wouldn't matter to him. He's not some dickbag EMT who refuses to perform CPR on a transvestite because his buddies will make fun of him for pressing lips. He's Captain fucking America.
>>80934235
It probably didn't have that much to do with BvS. It was more likely because they just wanted to appeal to casuals. Casuals know the basic premise of Civil War, and they ended up clamoring for that shit.
It's too bad. I really wanted them to introduce 50s Cap somehow.
>>80934643
Aaron Eckhart as 50s Cap
>>80934235
They'd just make them related since the Hydra is a water snake with many heads.
>>80925779
Like their sexy Bosley.
>>80934235
There are mutants in serpent society iirc so they can't be used in MCU
>>80934235
>I'm mostly disappointed that this means all of Cap's enemies were HYDRA/HYDRA related
Iron Man is a non-Hydra villain
>>80934970
I don't think the number of mutants matters when they can merely change that, make them inhumans instead, or something else. Or just cut them entirely.
Rights seems to be more where something was first revealed. Nuke, for instance, is often considered a Wolverine villain because of a shared origin story, but Nuke's first appearance was still in a Daredevil comic.
>>80925948
The standards of what racism is changes over time. And it's not some sort of linear march towards progressivisim.
Lots of the things progressives say now would have been considered horrendously offensive 30, or 60 years ago.
>>80935118
>Nuke, for instance, is often considered a Wolverine villain because of a shared origin story, but Nuke's first appearance was still in a Daredevil comic.
Wolverine first appeared in the Incredible Hulk but he counts as an X-Men character
>>80935222
>Lots of the things progressives say now would have been considered horrendously offensive 30, or 60 years ago.
Such as?
>>80934623
hey the emt just doesn't want to get aids. it's simple risk assessment
>>80935585
>risk assessment
there isn't any risk.
>>80933852
>>80933964
>het romances are never pure because they're all about a man trying to conquer, win, or otherwise own a women. het romances are inherently tainted by traditional notions of women-as-property
Can this damn board be anymore SJW?
>>80935223
Yeah but they sold his rights directly along with the rest of the X-Men. Non-mutant X-Men characters were sold as well, like Juggernaut, who they decided was a mutant now instead of a guy with a chaos demon empowering him.
>>80935585
If you didn't want a life of risk you are in the wrong line of work being an EMT.
I want to bang Black Widow!
>>80935672
a high likelihood of the most dangerous std is a great risk. I mean they wear gloves for a reason. emergency workers don't just throw all caution to the wind despite what the moving pictures would have you believe.
>>80935521
colored people i mean people of color
>>80931138
>being racist/sexist means you are 100% a shitty person
>nowadays that is a fact
according to who exactly?
>>80933964
>het romances are never pure because they're all about a man trying to conquer, win, or otherwise own a women. het romances are inherently tainted by traditional notions of women-as-property
>implying gay men aren't just digging for poop the whole time during sex
>implying lesbians smacking vaginas get you anywhere
>>80935815
No, you want to bang Wanda.
>>80931168
uh, i'm pretty sure the Irish hated black people just as much as everyone else
>>80935977
>according to who exactly?
/co/, Tumblr, and Hillary Clinton
>>80935996
Wanda what did I tell you about going on 4chan!!!
>>80934088
oh god, not you again
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>>80935712
Do you want me to go more SJW?
>>80925373
Nope, they're all humans. Guardians of the Galaxy are the most diverse MCU team.
>>80934368
don't bother, he's just crazy, also 3% or less is more accurate
>>80936041
Haha i'm not me, you идиoт!
>>80933248
that makes no fucking sense and you know it
does Steve take orders from sluts?
>>80936041
Unless anon was a bit, I doubt Wanda wants in.
>>80924049
It's called being normal right now.
>>80925373
Is that Quarles?
>>80936539
to what degree anon?
>>80936199
I'm an Australian. the Trumpet can't touch me
>>80936771
Ross from Game Grumps is that you?
We know you browse here.
If you are that would explain a lot.
>>80936711
That Patriarchal Structure is basically proven to be the ideal one for humans and that homogenous societies (admittedly in culture moreso than race) are better than multicultural ones. And that there is a higher propensity for certain gene variants in certain races that lends credence to profiling (for example, the MAOA-L would be the most well documented).
I mean, we live in a world of 7 billion odd people. You should judge each individual on their own merits for sure, but you should damn well judge the group by the centre line on the curve. There are literally more people in the world than there are seconds in your lifetime. Pattern recognition is directly related to IQ, and you have to be realistic.
>>80935842
That's more to do with semantics than the actual changing substance of ideas, thogh.
>>80935521
Stuff like "it's ok to be gay"
>>80934643
>It's too bad. I really wanted them to introduce 50s Cap somehow.
Hey man, we all know everybody wants an MCU Nomad, but you just need to realize that's not going to fly with John Q. Moviegoer.
>>80941148
I had kind of hoped the whole... Vice President of the United States committing Treason thing would have been a sufficient reason for the Nomad arc. Wasn't it something similar to that that caused it in the comics?
>>80924214
Who is frog butt then?
>>80932850
Back then Brooklyn was like San Francisco is today. He probably knew a bunch of homos growing up.
How come Captain America doesn't care about mutants outside of crossover events?
>>80923230
Raised by an Irish single mother during the great depression who was most likely a commie sympathizer.
Makes sense.
>>80923680
Cap will never have a happy ending, at best it's going to be bittersweet but never full happy.
>>80925414
>one pedophile
>>80933542
>>80933852
>>80933814
>>80933964
>>80934088
Romance is boring and makes every story trash. Shut up all of you.
>>80931138
Well, I just think none of that racist or sexist thing is related to the plot, so why would they bother?
>>80936005
Doesn’t mean they themselves weren't treated like black people.
>>80925588
Why? And how? DO you need them to hold special scisors in movies or something? Goddamn, people don't need to be represented. They just don't, get over it.
>>80931427
Look up Pearl S. Buck, a very unknown writer but she was a white woman who was born in the US but raised in China and because of that identified as Chinese besides being American (her situation is like Danny's in that sense).
She was really progressive in her writing, look up a book called The Towsman which she wrote under her pseusonym John Sedges, she tackles the subjects of racism and sexism without being preachy and this was a book from the 40's.
So yeah people like Steve existed but they weren't the norm.
>>80923230
Isn't Steve Irish?
They were basically black people back then.
>>80932792
His childhood BFF in the comics was gay, look up Arnold Roth, he's also the guy MCU Bucky was modeled after since Arnie defended Steve from bullies.
>>80933046
Neither were Ultimate Cap or John Walker racists, read a fucking comic with them.
>>80934235
I wanted Serpent Society too or Secret Empire.
Russo's were planning 50's Cap or at least wanted to do 50's Cap which would have been a really interesting story, Captain America's legacy continuing even after Steve was gone (which was the case in the comics) and one bad apple corrupting it.
Also opens for the introduction of not just Burnside but John Walker.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2014/03/20/captain-america-3-could-feature-psychotic-1950s-cap/
>>80934970
If they aren't X-Men characters they can just be changed to Inhumans or made into experiments.
>>80943697
Especially since he was into the art scene.
Fun fact: "Punk" back then meant basically what twink does today. Bucky's nickname for Steve was calling him a tiny homo.
>>80923631
>>80936005
Meh. Ever noticed a sizeable amount of black Americans with Irish names? And those weren't their slave names, the Irish didn't own slaves.
>>80937442
Always funny watching people jump through hoops to justify hating someone for no other reason than they are a different color or even funnier thinking one is better or worse depending on ..fucking melanin and shit.. Humans really are a fucking stupid species that will likely die out in another 100 years anyway.
>>80947407
you really are retarded aren't you?
>>80947407
actually its about more than just skin color but keep on acting smug
>>80923230
I want to fuck Cap's titties more than BW's, does that make me gay?
>>80948078
Cap's are big, so it's a pass.
But would you rather fuck Cap's or Wanda's?
>>80937442
there is literally no possible way to profile someone with a specific gene that doesn't have any physical characteristic
>>80936005
New York in the 10's-40's had a lot of poor Irish people living in the same neighborhoods as poor black people. Because of this a sort of shared understanding of "the struggle" was a thing. Irish street gangs would sometimes have random black dudes and vice versa. It wasn't until post-war that the Irish became more accepted and began to move out of the poorer areas.
Steve was the son of poor Irish immigrants and was an sweat shop artist. That means he worked alongside poor Jews, Irish and even some blacks. This is based on real life btw. Jack Kirby, who was Jewish, but the poor kind, went through this and when he and Joe Simon created cap, used this as the basis of his background. This again, was the time when Jews were still kind of seen as dirty as shit shysters. So a lot of them pretended to be Italian, Russian or Polish. (which is why New York Jewish culture has hints of that) The lowest of the low hung out with Blacks and Irish though... sometimes Asian.
So yeah, New York of the 30's Blacks and Irish were fine.
