Will he always be Captain Marvel to you?
He was Shazam to me long before he was ever Captain Marvel and he'll be Shazam to me long after he ceases to be officially named Shazam
However you want to call him Captain Marvel is drawn with a very unattractive face. By that I don't mean that he's actually ugly so much, he has a similar stylized 40s/50s look to Superman but whereas Superman has a delicacy to his features Shazam really looks like a brute.
The kind of 40s businessman who'd have cheated on arms quotas and raped his secretaries, or an alcoholic dustbowl pesticide salesman, rather than a news reporter.
>>80867297
He'll always be second banana to Jack Cole's Plastic Man to me.
>>80867346
>He was Shazam to me long before he was ever Captain Marvel and he'll be Shazam to me long after he ceases to be officially named Shazam
I hate people like you.
>>80867297
Of course, I still use the name to this day.
>>80867297
of course
i dont even like this character but i fucking hate modern comic retcons done for stupid extrastory reasons
>>80867297
I don't care
>>80867662
>NORMIES GET OUT
Captain Marvel has its charm but Shazam was always the first thing people think about.
Why do they always make his fights with Superman out to be a big deal when we know he could easily dust Superman?
>>80867882
"Marvel will sue us" is a pretty good reason to me to change a character's IP, senpai.
>>80867936
.....but DC's Captain Marvel came first.
>>80867910
>Shazam was always the first thing people think about.
Most people alive right now don't even know that show existed/remember it.
>>80867953
That doesn't matter. Marvel has legal rights because of their company's name. DC not wanting to deal with that shit seems fine to me.
>>80867929
Because DC doesn't want Superman to look bad.
>>80867988
Too late for that!
>>80867981
I dont think it has anything to do with there company name, I think they just own the rights and dc is just limited that they cant title the book captain marvel, that's why it was the power of shazam
>>80867953
Marvel holds the trademark on the "Captain Marvel" name. Blame DC for not caring about the character in the first place. Their ownership of the trademark lapsed, Marvel got it and afterwards created their own Captain Marvel.
I accept that he's Shazam now but he is still the first character I think of when I hear "Captain Marvel"
>>80868019
And their own Captain Marvel is trash.
>>80867456
He reminds me of Patrick Warburton so much that I read his lines in Patrick's voice
>>80868018
I just assumed it had to derive from the company name because I can't see why else a court would give the rights to the IP that came second.
>>80868032
You talkin' shit about Mar-Vell?
>>80868044
I couldn't picture that. Despite being this all powerful magical entity, he still has a childlike personality. I can't see Patrick conveying that too well.
I still call him Captain Marvel. Shame DC doesn't seem to care much.
>>80868032
Carol Danvers is, but not Mar-Vell. In my mind Shazam is the one and only Captain Marvel, though.
>>80868046
You misunderstand, it has nothing to do with rights over IP or the character itself, but with the trademark, the "Captain Marvel" brand. That's why DC can choose to name the character Captain Marvel inside the pages of a story, but not market that comic with the "Captain Marvel" name. This is why even pre-New 52 his DC books are never called "Captain Marvel", but "Shazam: ________" or "_______ of Shazam".
Once Disney buys WB they'll be able to call him Captain Marvel again without fear of lawsuits.
And we'll finally have DC/Marvel crossovers again.
And later a merger of the two companies. What will Superman's opions on mutants be? I can't wait to find out.
>>80868096
I don't know. Warburton is funny, cute, kind of weird. Sounds perfect to me, but that's my opinion.
>>80868123
>a merger of the two companies
That would be completely retarded though.
>>80868123
I'd think Supes would like mutants. I mean, dude is essentially a fucking demigod from space. The X-Men shouldn't seem too weird to him at least.
>>80867456
>Captain Marvel is drawn with a very unattractive face
Well, that's just bullshit.
>>80868123
>Once Disney buys WB
Anti-monopoly laws exist for a reason.
>>80868128
And old. And out of shape.
I like the haircut of the animated reboot. In fact I do not like how everyone always tend to draw him as if he came from the 40s.
And more than Shazam, they had to call him Captain Thunder.. I find terribly stupid that has the spell his name to summon his trademark attack
>>80868164
>Disney
>Being affected by antitrust law
>>80867456
He looks like a bodybuilding version of Fred McMurray.
I think Fred McMurray was like 6'4" as well.
What's going to become of the others though?
Will they be Mary Shazam and Shazam Jr?
>>80868185
>>80868044
Yes that's an excellent comparison.
>>80868164
Are you attracted to men's faces? Not a loaded question but essential to establishing arguments here.
Shit, how do Superman and Captain Marvel get along? I haven't read as much in years. Thought Shazam idolizes him.
>>80868173
I think you're being overly critical.
>>80868204
Freddy was floating the idea of King Shazam.
>>80868228
billy batson thinks he's the cat's pajamas.
>>80867953
DC didn't do anything with the character because they were pissy that Captain Marvel was as popular as Superman.
It's their own fault.
>>80868278
I thought that was more of a pipe dream.
>>80868164
Disney Doesn't seem to care though, since they're one of the seven or so controlling media giants.
>>80868305
But Captain Marvel is so damn cool. That's shitty.
>>80868228
>shazam
So if Shazam has sex with one of his female fans, would it make it rape? He's 12 years old and all, right?
>>80868278
I will never accept that. Fuck you Freddy.
>>80868348
Crap, never considered that. That's weird.
>>80868348
>>80868398
>not reading Johns' JSA
Tsk tsk.
>>80868204
Well nothing in the rule books says they have to be all called Shazam.
>>80868348
Ive never thought about it like that. Frankly I havent thought abut it at all, but still.
>>80868173
>>80868044 Here
I hear you on that. If it makes you feel better, I picture Seinfeld-era Patty. I couldn't see present-day Warburton as CM.
>>80868348
Very gray issue. Same reason he stopped dating stargirl. When they were just chilling it was a 13 (or something) year old boy with a 16 year old girl but when they showed up to the JSA together, he kept his identity a secret so Garrick and Scott called him out on being a creepy late 20s dude hitting on a teen
>>80867953
Nah man Fawcett's Captain Marvel came first, then DC sued them into oblivion because Captain Marvel was selling better than Superman. By the time DC bought the rights to this specific character, Marvel owned the rights to the name. Serves DC right
>>80868424
But then why would Freddy be Captain Marvel Jr?
Or would he go back to the name CM3 again?
>>80868228
First Thunder has Superman being Captain Marvel's big brother/mentor figure.
He also goes off on the Wizard, Shazam once he finds out how young Billy is.
>>80868475
>because Captain Marvel was selling better than Superman
Wrong, it was because in those days they considered the character was too similar to Superman.
>>80868190
>>80868325
Because they already own one of the biggest comic book companies, if they bought another company that owned another major comic book company then they'd have to sell Marvel.
>>80868210
It's like Johnny Depp; it's not gay to say "that guy's handsome", it's only gay if you want to fuck him as well (or at least pop a boner, but that's a whole different can of worms)
>>80868536
Difference between reasoning and motive. Sure they sued Fawcett on those grounds, but the fact that Captain Marvel was selling more certainly played a part in their decision to sue.
>>80867297
YES.
Shazam has had girlfriends. That's creepy. Even when he turns into Captain Marvel, he's still Billy. That's some weird form of pedophilia.
>>80868572
>Captain Marvel was selling more
That's news to me. How much did it oversell Supes?
>>80868568
>It's like Johnny Depp; it's not gay to say "that guy's handsome", it's only gay if you want to fuck him as well (or at least pop a boner, but that's a whole different can of worms)
That's totally not the same question.
>>80868203
He is alleged to have actually been based on Fred McMurray.
>>80868615
If I recall, back in the 60s, he was more popular. I may be incorrect.
>>80868572
>Sure they sued Fawcett on those grounds, but the fact that Captain Marvel was selling more certainly played a part in their decision to sue.
It sold more for like 3 months max in the early 40's. Fawcett was alive intil 53, and during all that time they published Captain Marvel
>>80867297
Yes. This Shazam shit is stupid. At least Johns has actually varied the characterization though.
>>80868656
Shazam stopped being published in the 50s, I think.
>>80867929
In the comic your image is from, Billy loses
>>80868615
From wikipedia
> In fact, Captain Marvel Adventures sold fourteen million copies in 1944,[19] and was at one point being published bi-weekly with a circulation of 1.3 million copies an issue
but besides that, DC was known for sueing competitors into oblivion in those days.
>http://www.comicscube.com/2010/07/dc-comics-vs-victor-fox-and-will-eisner.html
>>80868634
That wasn't until the mid=-80s. His current design is essentially a muscular version of Elvis Presley, if I remember right. His original design was a black haired version of...fuck. I had it there.
>>80868717
>WOT warning
Sorry anon, but that website has a bad rep.
Shazam is a cooler name
What the fuck is he Captain of?
Black Adam isnt Captain Adam, so clearly wizard powers dont infer some rank
>>80868688
I think you're right. Don't know who I'm thinking of.
>>80868624
>explain how it's not gay to say a man's handsome
>claim that the question wasn't answered
Okay.
>>80868743
>What the fuck is he Captain of?
Captain America meant there was a glut of Captains in comics for most of WWII. Weird, but true.
>>80868743
Black Adam is from Egypt, right?
>>80867953
>>80867953
>DC's Captain Marvel
Was originally Fawcett's Captain Marvel.
>>80867981
>Marvel has legal rights because of their company's name
No. This is wrong.
>>80868105
Yes, this.
>>80868019
And sorta this; by the time DC had the rights, Marvel already had the trademark.
>>80868305
>>80868475
>>80868536
They didn't do anything with the character because they didn't have the rights. They were "pissy" and sued because Fawcett was literally deliberately copying Superman stories.
>>80868722
Nigga what? He was at the outset designed to look like Fred McMurray. Go look at it and tell me it could have been anyone else.
>>80868773
That's not what I asked. I asked if you were attracted to dudes. I don't give a fuck whether you think that's gay or not. It's a yes/no question, fucko.
I can never support him having a hood. A bomb-ass collar will always look better.
>>80868722
Are you on the goofballs?
>>80868795
Son of a bitch. Must've been thinking of someone else. My bad.
>>80868839
No, just made a mistake. Sorry.
>>80868794
>Fawcett was literally deliberately copying Superman stories
Well, shame on them.
>>80868783
A made-up Egypt called Kahndaq.
>>80868722
>His current design is essentially a muscular version of Elvis Presley,
And no, other way around; Elvis took his stage looks (the capes and shit) from Captain Marvel Jr. cos he liked the character.
What's your favourite Captain Marvel comic?
>>80868794
>Fawcett was literally deliberately copying Superman stories
[Citation Needed]
Captain Marvel was pretty distinct aside from the obligatory power set. There was certainly some crossover but there's good evidence to say Superman was adapting as much from Cap as vice versa.
>>80868893
Oh, right! That's why he did his hair that way, isn't it? He wanted to look like Marvel Jr.
>>80868887
Is that still canon?
>>80869023
Yup.
>>80869023
yeah. at least it was in injustice.
Can anyone rec some good Black Adam stories?
>>80869101
He was really cool in 'The Power Of Shazam', but that's a little old.
>>80869101
His story in 52
>>80869101
His 52 arc
His appearances in Johns' JSA
Black Adam: the Dark Age
>>80869150
>>80869194
>>80869210
Thank you gents.
It's elitist as fuck but I just have very little respect for someone when I see them call him "Shazam". The same as I feel when someone draws Superman without trunks in unofficial art. I'm sorry but it makes you look like a moviefag or someone from /v/ who's only read Injustice and some entry-level shit. Which isn't inherently bad, admittedly, unless you're trying to sound like you know shit about shit.
>>80869101
Absolutely read 52, and then read Johns' JSA. He's only got substories in both, but those are two of the absolutely best series DC has published post-2000 IMO and you'll learn a lot more about the history of the DCU in general.
>>80867910
Maybe for casuals who learned about him from Injustice or some shit. He was Captain Marvel in literally every other cross-media appearance he ever had before that.
>>80868475
Actually after Marvel started publishing their Captain Marvel title, DC sued and the court decided they had abandoned the IP so they had to deal with it.
>>80868536
They sued under the guise of him being too similar, despite very obviously being completely different and gaining some of Superman's iconic powers BEFORE Superman got them. But it was obvious they did it because they wanted to control the superhero market, because of how unbelievably obvious to anyone with a brain it was that the two characters had very few similarities at the time CM was created. Fawcett got fucked, I can't remember if it was because DC/National had all the money or if Fawcett's lawyers were retards.
>>80868941
>[Citation Needed]
Like I'm gunna search thru 60k+ bookmarks looking for it.
>>80869210
I felt that was a bit heavily overwritten. Not bad, but it felt a bit oversold? Just what I think though. Definitely work a look. >>80869218
Perhaps you'll like it more.
>>80868972
Yup.
>Google Captian Marvel
>Top ten results are literally who girl
>It's not til the 14th result that we actually see this glorious hunk of god
>>80869348
>Make baseless claim
>Won't provide a source
Come on son.
>>80869348
>not having a search device in your bookmarks tab
>not tagging new bookmarks
>>80869372
He's the first one where it actually counts, in the web links.
>>80869368
My bad.
>>80869299
I'm really green when it comes to DC.
Is it worth reading Infinite Crisis first or should I jump straight into 52?
>>80868823
I pointed out that it's not gay to say a man's handsome, and I'm not going to beat my head against a brick wall to somebody who can't put two and two together.
>>80868913
The original Monster Society of Evil arc. Jeff Smith's miniseries was damn good too, as was Shazam: Power of Hope.
>>80869423
Just start reading 52. Infinite Crisis isn't completely terrible, but it wasn't exactly a modern classic.
>>80869423
Just jump straight in, the books tells you everything you need to know.
>>80869423
The only thing you'd need to know about Infinite Crisis going into 52 is that the big 3 are all on vacation. They'll explain pretty much anything else to you in the story.
>>80869423
Go for 52. Infintie Crisis kind of sucks.
>>80869488
>>80869484
>>80869483
>>80869476
I love you guys sometimes, I swear.
>>80869476
>>80869488
I liked the Rann-Thanagar War though.
>>80869476
I never read Power Of Hope. Heard some good things.
>>80869518
No homo?
>>80869522
Oh, yeah, that was a lot of fun.
>>80869522
Despite really liking GL I disliked the Rann-Thanagar War for some reason.
>>80869547
Only the tiniest bit of homo.
I went to my Barnes and Noble and in the comics section, Captain Marvel is designated as the one who pulls off the Maverick archetype without being two-dimensional about it, is what Hal Jordan would be if Hal were a good character, who's got Tony Stark's swagger and over-abundance of confidence, Steve Roger's discipline and military training, and raw power enough to rival Thor and who despite all that, is still very much her own character, with her own flavors of compassionate and flippant and humorous, who if I had to sum up Carol up in one word, it'd be "liberation" and that's a beautiful thing.
This store really fuckin sucks, all they got there is capes and dumb shit like Saga. Not a single Donald Duck comic or any super duper hipster crap aside from the new Clowes book
>>80869518
We're just trying to help.
>>80869553
Dave Gibbons is so fucking underrated as a writer.
>>80869565
;_;
>>80869476
>I pointed out that it's not gay to say a man's handsome, and I'm not going to beat my head against a brick wall to somebody who can't put two and two together.
Nigger, what the fuck is wrong with you? I can't believe I'm still having the same argument five posts in.
First post
>Captain Marvel's face isn't attractive
Your response
>That's bullshit
Response to your response
>Do you find men's faces attractive
Then you go into this withering shit like either you view being homo as some dreadful fucking thing, or you think I'm gonna go off at you if you admit being homo. Straight up: it's not a loaded question. All I'm trying to say is, if you aren't attracted to dudes on the regular, you might not be best placed to judge what's an attractive dude. If you are then no worries.
>>80869576
>if Hal were a good character
Another tripfag filtered.
>>80869560
It was a little slow paced.
>>80869579
It's all good, m8. Only joking. Or am I? You'll never know.
>>80869576
>is what Hal Jordan would be if Hal were a good characterI'm taking the bait
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>>80869604
>>80869636
http://desustorage.org/_/search/text/swagger%20hal%20jordan/
Dumbass Halfags
>>80869534
you really should
>>80869423
52 was one of the first non-OGNs I read, I was getting into comics while it was coming out, and hadn't read anything from DC's ongoings before that. It wasn't until YEARS after that I ever read IC.
So yeah, dive in, friend.
ALWAYS The Real Captain Marvel
>>80869740
damn right
>>80869373
>>80869387
I would say "Eat a bucket of dicks", but that would be wrong of me. While this isn't the link I was thinking of, according to "The Law Is An Ass" (Bob Ingersol), Fawcett employees testified in court that they were ordered to copy Superman.
http://www.worldfamouscomics.com/law/back20001024.shtml
>The trial judge cited Judge August Hand's ruling in the Wonderman case to hold that in overall concept and execution, Captain Marvel was so similar to Superman that his stories infringed on Superman's copyright. The judge cited the same type of similarities in costume, appearance, powers, and actions as were listed in the Wonderman case as well as other points of interest, like the fact that both Superman and Captain Marvel had as a recurring antagonist a bald mad scientist bent on conquering the world, both were reporters, _and the testimony from some Fawcett employees that they were ordered to imitate Superman_.
[my own quibble with this is that I thought that it was Judge LEARNED Hand, but, whatever]
>>80869584
Dude, give it a rest - Minifig's not going to suck your dick. Also, why the fuck can't a hetero guy say whether or not a fictional man is handsome? Women compliment each other on their looks all the damn time, and they can't all be lesbians.
This is weird, but wasn't he in an episode of the Drew Carey show? Never liked it much myself, but my dad did, so we watched it.
>>80867346
Scum
>>80869890
And reading further down TLIAA, I find that August Hand and Learned Hand were brothers, who were also Judges, who both were involved with the DC-Fawcett lawsuit.
>>80867936
first of all, no it isn't. that's literally the worst reason.
secondly, they've coexisted for decades. marvel has to periodically publish their own captain marvel to retain their trademark, and that's great. he was keeping them honest
thirdly, marvel can't sue them, the problem is that they weren't able to use the name captain marvel in merch, which is another stupid dumbass piece of shit thing we could go on about all day.. but other toylines get around that shit. "autobot ratchet" etc. the reason they changed it is for a dumbass 'consistency across our brand' thing some roundtable of idiots decided marvel should do, none of them knowing what it even means.
>>80869960
Apparently, you're not crazy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew's_in_a_Coma
