Can we discuss superhero rogue's galleries? The bad, the good, the so-so?
I of course love Spider-Man's villains a lot, even the z-listers like Mirage or the Enforcers.
Who's your favorites? What makes a good villain for a hero?
>>80817330
>>80818770
why does Venom look like Dr. Zoidberg?
>>80818825
Why wouldn't he?
Underrated rogues gallery.
Throw in Crossbones, Dr. Faustas, The Serpent Society, Viper, MODOK, FlagSmasher, Batroc...
>>80819450
>Hate-Monger
isn't that literally hitler
as in literally the man adolf elizabeth hitler
>>80819450
>Hate-Monger just a klansman who accidentally spilled red wine into the washing machine
great
>>80819561
Literally Hitler. That's a solid villain
>>80819604
When are we going together a semi sympathetic portrayal of Hitler?
>>80819633
Savage Dragon had Hitler in a Gorilla body that was pseudo sympathetic. Brainape
God bless Larsen and his shit ridiculous ideas
>>80819509
>>80819604
Literally Hitler.
>>80819509
>>80819561
>>80819737
I think "Literally Hitler" and things Hitler related is a much more interesting thread.
Only a few heroes have a good, self-contained rogues gallery. And now there's too much cross-pollution.
Brainape Literally Hitler in a gorilla
>>80819731
Is savage dragon any good ?
I'm reading through Spawn and unlike the horrible youngblood crossovers I actually found the dragon ones fun
>>80819868
Kingpin for instance?
Appeared in ASM for 20 years, now primarily a Daredevil villain.
>>80819933
Savage Dragon is basically a comic that simultaneously rips on the 90's X-TREME fad and revels in it. It's pretty fun.
>>80819509
A clone, but yes.
>>80819933
It's pretty solid for the first 100 issues. Now it's mostly silly comic nonsense so pretty much Spawn with less Satan
Can someone recommend me a good Spider-Man comic? I tried reading the early Lee stuff and found the writing to be lacking, same with JMS, Slott, some Brand New Day stuff and Kravens Last Hunt which is supposed to be good, but the writing is just lacking compared to other comics.
>>80819979
I'd like a story with either clone hitler or hitler time snatched from a young age become a big time hero
>>80820016
Marv Wolfman and Roger Stern.
>>80820016
You missed the good stuff in the 70's that's my favorite Spidey stuff. Death of Gwen Stacy, all the crazy Harry Osborn stuff, it's great. Writing isn't so dry like the Lee stuff
>>80817330
>White Rabbit
Never heard of her, but I am interested.
Would you read a Superior Foes styled comic for Ironman's rogues? Call it The Invincible Foes of Ironmananother anon came up with that 10/10 name. It doesn't have to be a comedy, just a group of Ironman's rogues have joined forces to accomplish some kind of goal.
>>80820272
so Crimson Dynamo, Whiplash, Titanium Man... probably some other jobber in armor
>>80820350
Whiplash and Backlash, Living Lazer, Blizzard, Ghost, and Madam Masque. Or any other one of Stark's many villains
Some classic galleries
Spiderman
Green Arrow has some legit interesting rogues in his gallery. Or could, if they took time to play with any that aren't just the villains from other heroes' galleries.
I was looking at his list to see who could be brought into Arrow a couple years back and all sorts of ideas were bouncing around.
>>80820272
It'd definitely work. Some of those guys need some screen time.
You should only have one "evil/amoral guy in Iron Man knockoff suit" though. That's the problem people have making Iron Man villains, they just all make a Crimson Dynamo.
>>80817330
>White Rabbit
>Fairly borning
>Not an actual rabbit girl
You had one job, Marvel
>>80820617
Iron Man has fantastic rogues and its a damn shame everyone's been playing the "Tony's his own worst enemy" card so hard lately.
Like its a good story but we need a break from it.
Living Laser is Electro-tier horrifying, Blizzard and Melter could be cool with some tune ups, Controller, Spymaster and Ghost are great at attacking Tony in ways a suit of armor can't help with, the list goes on.
>>80820176
She's not all that interesting.
>>80820677
The weird thing is that the run that introduced the "Tony fucks everything up for himself" plot twist (which others imitate constantly) was O'Neil's run and he used LOADS of villains in that, both old and new. It's like people only read the first few "Demon in a Bottle" issues and then ignore the rest of the run up until #200 where Tony squares off with Iron Monger.
Also any subsequent attempt to give Tony flaws just comes off as forced. He doesn't need any more flaws than what he already has.
>>80820737
>Have a character who is pretty much based on escaping.
>Waste that with her being a jobber villain.
She seems pretty boring but they could easily spice her up by giving her that 'Shocker' angle of sorts: IE she isn't interested in beating Spiderman, just getting away with her crime.
A lot of heroes have potentially great galleries that really just need some love.
Wonder Woman has some potentially amazing rogues who never get any goddamn screen time because every other author either wants to make her book God of War or just forgets about them.
Superman's gallery is underrated, I liked what Johns was doing to try and give the non-Luthors of the crew a boost but he bailed too quickly like he always does on Superman.
X-Men had some great villains until they all became X-Men for some goddamn reason.
I liked that Waid was willing to use Daredevil's non-Kingpin/Bullseye bad guys. His Jester revamp was particularly clever.
>>80820781
Yeah, its kind of like Professor X in that we've explored the man's flaws really well and now writers keep going back to that well and its so dry cacti can't grow there.
>>80820781
Too many flaws is always a disaster that leaves no real character.
Carol for instance. Memory loss/depowered? Rape victim? Alcoholic? It's like every writer that touched her couldn't figure out what to do with her hence she sucks.
>>80820739
I love the freaky design of OG Beetle, the later tech-armor looks don't quite cut it.
Who's rouges gallery has the best banter among themselves? Flash's and Spider-man's are competitive but I think Bat's rouges have the top bantz
>>80820878
And it takes away from what made him a good character to begin with. Cyclops is that way now too. Marvel systematically destroying the X-men
>>80817330
I thought the Molemen were an X-Men villain
>>80820934
Beetle's OG helmet was awesome and I wish they kept it.
last night's Static Shock thread reminded me of how much I loved Static's rogue's gallery.
We got legit evil guys, teen villains who acted like fucking teens, sympathetic ones and even bad turned good guys.
Even the lesser shown ones like Aquamaria and Puff had charm
>>80820957
Batman villains are pretty much forced to have great banter because Batman is silent and stoic as fuck.
>>80821121
True, but I meant specifically bouncing off each other. The episode of BTAS "I almost got him" is what sold me on inner-batman villain banter.
>>80821121
That and they're all crazy
The Marvel Family has fucking ace enemies.
>>80821213
Oh yeah. Hivemind I was just about to post this
>>80819633
This film was decent. At least focused on that he and the other Nazi higher ups were actually human beings and not monsters
>>80821213
Dude when I found out that King Kul isn't just a caveman, but a caveman with all the potential genius of his people stuffed in his mind that he uses to build superweapons? Blew my mind.
Also Mister Atom talking mad shit all day, Convergence was worth it just for that Captain Marvel book.
>>80818770
>guy in middle row far right
For you
>>80819870
Would he still be racist against blacks?
>>80821258
>All these villains
>Only Black Adam gets play
>Sivana if you're lucky
>Mr. Mind for cartoons only
Why?
>>80817330
I remember laughing my ass off at Mysterio when I played the Spider-Man 2 video game.
>>80821797
I know. I'd love to see Kull, Atom and Sabbac again.
Captain Nazi needs serious reworking to be viable again though.
>>80820558
Marvel has come a long way from seeing Otto as one of the most dangerous men on earth.
>>80822306
He never really made the jump out of the spider-pool like Goblin did, which is a shame because I think he works WAY BETTER as a crossover villain than Norman.
>>80818770
I want to see She-Venom in this style
Then again, I don't because Diaz women are only allowed to be sexy when they're cyborgs
>>80821113
That guy whose "mutation" was having some kind of organic sonic cannon speaker in his chest was hilariously and lovably fucking ridiculous.
Wait, so if a Rogue's galleries outnumber the Cape Hero by at least 1-to-10, why hasn't no one noticed that there are far more evil super people than good ones? Shouldn't they have already won against the Hero by sheer numbers?
>>80823292
They'd kill each other discussing how they'd fight the hero.
>>80820816
I'd write her mini
>>80823292
>what is hubris
>>80823292
that's the whole premise behind Old Man Logan
>>80817330
>the Burglar
So... he is just someone who burgles people?
>>80823292
>Old Man Logan.
>>80821113
Did the Justice League put Static in charge of the black supervillains?
>>80823375
and shoots uncles, yes
>>80821797
Because those other villains are KIDDY.
Why do you want Captain Marvel to be KIDDY? Captain Marvel should be MATURE, for GROWN UPS.
>>80823496
Did he ever recur?
I can't remember having parent shooter in Batmans rogue gallery.
>>80821258
>Mr Mind
Mr Who?
>>80823292
To be fair, Spidey has some powerful allies, not even including the FF, there are his successors or characters who are inspired by him: Spider-Girl, Ultimate Spider-man, Spider-Woman 1-3, Steel Spider, Scarlet Spiders and Toxin. If he died, there are literally 5 or more other characters who are based on him that can replace him, or if he needs help tackling more than one of his enemies.
>>80820350
At that point, instead of being the Invincible Foes of Iron Man, you can play up about how many of them were actually Soviet Agents and be real tongue in cheek about it.
>>80823458
Just seems that way because of how rare black supervillains are shown on t.v. Think Static actually had and equal mix which was pretty damn decent, but that's not saying much since Ebon, Heatstroke, Talon and crew were the main recurring ones.
Best villains were Ominfarious and Madelyn. Love psycho bitches and daddy issues villains.
>>80823633
He reappeared and was killed off in a story that I think also involved Mysterio.
>>80820593
Green Arrow has what?
Only one villain made in the last 20 years for him? And it was Onomatopoeia?
Why is Spiderman's rogue gallery such a sausagefest?
>>80823897
A lot of his female villains are either dead or girl versions of male ones.
>>80823897
Maybe Parker's gay. GAY for them.
>>80817330
>Doc Ock
so that's what Shaggy and Velma's kid would look like.
>>80818770
I want to swap Jack-o-Lantern's head with Green Goblin's to have an actually good GG suit.
>>80822743
that's diaz?!
oh god which one of them is 6,000 years old.
>>80823292
They do, all the time. That's what super-villain team ups and eventually groups started out as. "Hey, we ALL hate this guy! Lets get him!"
It doesn't work out because the average super-villain is even more of a vicious egomaniac than your average criminal.
>>80821544
4chan.org/pol
>Spot
SHIT I FORGOT HOW COOL HE IS
>>80821797
well the end of the Shazam back up story had them introduce mr mind
shame they never got that ongoing
>>80819450
Missing Dracula, Batroc and Crossbones.
>>80822306
>>80822421
which is kinda hilarious considering Ends of The Earth wasn't even the first time he nearly pulled off an apocalyptic scheme
>>80823292
mostly villainous egos, there's a reason why villain teams rarely last long, and those that do often have frequent roster shifts(the Rogues are a rare subversion of this rule)
>>80820664
RIP
>>80817330
>>80818770
>Not the wall
Shit list.
>>80823805
This is not related directly to rogues but, when you think about it, Marvel Russia is utterly pathetic as a threat
There's not a single significant threat from the gommunists despite them being fucking everywhere in the Silver Age.
Canada is more threatening
>>80823458
No, Static was just from the Milestone Universe, which was basically FUBU Comics, so it was chock full of non-whites as both protagonists and antagonists, and most of them didn't even skateboard!
>>80823636
Psychic caterpiller
>>80827021
Canada is fucking terrifying in Marvel
>>80827021
I feel like Russia lost the Cold War extra hard in the Marvel continuity. Like, they got whatever the economic equivalent of a curb-stomp is in the 90's.
>>80821797
Mr Mind was in 52 but then he turned into a generic uber-bug monster.
>>80820501
>"Able to transform into any white man"
>>80820016
Marvel Adventures Spider-Man is easily the best run of the new millennium.
The Rogues have barely been mentioned in this thread. For shame.
>>80829141
Grodd feels out of place being listed as a Rogue(as do Reverse Flash and Abra Kadabra), also who the hell is Mr Element?
>>80829260
Mr Element is Al Desmond, aka the first incarnation of Dr Alchemy. Element/Alchemy and Kadabra aren't actually Rogues, but have worked with them and been associated with them, so they count as associates.
>>80828159
This. Weapon X is some shady shit
>>80829660
>>80817330
>>80818770
Is this Really Diaz? It's like he actually understands what the characters are supposed to be...
>>80829660
I'm a bit miffed Spencer and Lieber never had Speed Demon show up wearing the top half of his costume and pair of running shorts.
>>80823817
Since I'm pretty sure WB owns all the OC Static Shock villains I'm surprised they don't pull from it for new characters.
>>80823805
I'd play on the "Tony is his worst enemy" concept and have most of his villains fairly self-aware.
>>80830890
No, it isn't. It's from a guy who goes by jimmymcwicked on DeviantArt http://jimmymcwicked.deviantart.com/gallery/
I will not stand iddly by while some hard working artists' good designs are attributed to Aaron Diaz.
>>80829660
>Toomes Vulture
why would they bother with Blackie Vulture if they have him? (If not to make him a one-off villain)
>>80823496
Is that a superpower?
> "Police! Stop right here "Burglar!""
> "Do you policemen happen to have at least one nephew or niece?"
> "Well my sister just had... wait what does that have to do with any... arrrgghh!"
>>80817330
I really like Spot because of his bit in the 90's animated series
But I'm not sure I'd call him a great villain. He's kinda lacking in the interactions department and I think that's what makes for a great villain, good hero-villain interactions.
Lizard has the whole 'I don't want to hurt Connors' interaction with Spidey
Green Goblin has being Harry's uncle
Kingpin in the 90's show had being the man behind the villains who was untouchable by law shtick
Venom has 'oh shit, he knows my personal life'
There's some villains I like but don't really make it into the 'big time'. Rhino's iconic, but he's always just the brute.
Carnage is fairly popular, but his interactions with Peter aren't anything special. He's always out to kill someone, he's a threat any hero could face
I really love Electro, but I can't really think of a definitive story for him
So, to sum it all up, I actually have no clue what makes a popular villain. Maybe it's the design
>>80831087
oh thank god.
>>80820670
>his intro is robbing a McDonalds
>Health gauge fills up 3x
>Boss Music starts playing
>One punch and he drops.
The perfect intro for SM in the MCU would recreate that scene, or maybe just be the aftermath, where Mysterio (played by Bruce Campbell) is hanging with a cracked fishbowl on his head in the center of a spider web.
>>80826836
Fancy Dan is at least still alive, plus Ox has an identical twin brother.
>>80831460
>I really love Electro, but I can't really think of a definitive story for him
"Light the Night" (Spider-Man #37-40) by J.M. DeMatteis.
>>80817330
>The Answer
He really needs to come back. I thought he was a great opponent.
>>80817330
The characters with the greatest villain collections are:
Batman
Spider-Man
Fantastic Four
Judge Dredd
Dick Tracy
The Flash
Darkwing Duck
>>80819450
My nigga. Cap has a top tier rogues gallery, always had.
>>80823636
Yes, yes, Mr Who also appears in the pic. On the right.
>>80819450
All those Barons and no Viceroys. Step your game up Cap.
>>80821258
I still hold out that one day we get a complete collection of the Monster Society stories.
I love Spider-Man villains. Is there a good way to play the old movie Spider-Man ps2/gamecube game? Everyone remembers the second one with mysterio and rhino, but the first with vulture and shocker was fantastic too. Did it have a PC release?
>>80833031
The first one did, yeah. That game did the indoor levels way better than 2.
The cheat code that made you into GG was hilarious too. Guy ran like the Flash for some reason.
>>80821894
>Captain Nazi needs serious reworking to be viable again
Make up an excuse for him to miss the end of the war. He disapproves of modern germany and feels national socialism is still the best ideal for people. Also he refuses to believe in the holocaust, dismissing it as allied propaganda accepted as fact.
>>80833386
Or make him one of the neo-nazis who're gaining power in Europe right now. "We'll do it right this time...right after I destroy Captain Marvel!"
I've always been kinda upset that Deadpool has never had an stable rogues gallery.
I mean, he's had various enemies, some of them also interact with other characters, others don't and were made just for his comics, but the second kind doesn't really last that much most of the time.
The thing is probably that Deadpool kills, but, yeah, that hasn't been a problem for others, like Captain America, whose enemies must have a record for dying and coming back.
>>80817330
Hell, most people who have never read a comic or seen a comic movie in their life could at least name some of the people in here.
>>80834281
Who's the greek god? Below Killer Croc?
>>80834062
Problem is he kinda kills his villains or makes them look ridiculous and unthreatening.
>>80834647
Maxie Zeus.
>>80817330
Other galleries aren't even worth mention
>>80835753
Almost sad how Batman writers ripped off Ditko's rogues gallery.
>>80834281
Who is the ugly guy with white face in the extreme right?
>>80835753
>Taskmaster
wut
>>80835858
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Shark_(comics)
>>80835858
Great White Shark.
>>80834669
>makes them look ridiculous and unthreatening.
I'm pretty sure that was Spider-Man's thing too, just that he didn't kill anyone
Still, Deadpool has had really nice interactions with villains like Taskmaster, Bullseye, Black Tom, Madcap... And he is also great to face against those ridiculous D-Listers that don't really appear in comics anymore because of how retarded they look or act.
Writers just need to remember that instead of adding more lame one-off villains that don't last.Also, use movie synergy to bring back Ajax and make him as petty as Professor Zoom.
>>80834281
Is that goddamn Egghead in there?
>>80835858
Great white shark, or something like that. Basically why you dont want to go to arkham if your sane. He was a regular criminal pleaded to insanity to go to Arkham joker I think locked him in a freezer till his nose and lips froze off. Now he is the real-estate agent for all the villains in Gotham.
>>80836168
Calendar Man, I think.
>>80836859
Ah, yeah you're probably right.
>>80827614
>tfw Teenage Negro Ninja Thrashers never got off the ground.
>>80836246
>joker I think
Jane Doe.
>>80835918
He has messed with Spiderman more than once
>>80819633
shin devilman
>>80823897
He fucks the women until they're on the straight and narrow
>>80840718
Slott added a few women but none of them have stuck very well. I like Paper Doll.
Marvel in general has a huge "Lets redeem the female villain/make her an anti-hero or victim." thing. I mean COMICS in general do, and it doesn't help that the biggest fans of female villains in both companies, at least the vocal ones, are all about them being morally gray untouchable/usables.
I think part of it is, like a lot of Marvel's soap opera tropes, its romance comic roots coming out, but who knows.
>>80841123
I liked Paper Doll, Freak, and Screwball, but the best one is Overdrive.
>>80841457
Overdrive deserves to stick, I love that crazy diamond.
>>80835753
I tried my best.
Also King Shark really isn't a Batman Villain and Taskmaster isn't a Spidey villain.
>>80842666
>>80842666
Maybe put Murmur in the same category as Man-Bat and Morbius. He's not exactly a monster like they are, but he's got an almost supernatural aura of horror about him.
>>80818770
Prowler looks so fucking cool.
>>80843082
>Victor Zsasz and Carnage
I didn't know I wanted this
>>80823897
Most writers don't like the thought Spidey wailing on bitches, or at least doing more than just webbing or blandly grappling with them, I guess.
>>80834281
>>80843811
Only one that made me laugh was "Ant-Man"
>>80843636
So much for equality huh
>>80819450
>Flag Smasher
muh nigga
I dont think Marvel really knows what to do with the guy - he is essentially an Anarchist-terrorist Batman , he should be an morally ambivalent character who may be right but uses the wrong methods , a genius who tries to change the world for the better using terrorist acts , a little bit like Ozymandias in Watchmen mixed in with the Joker in The Dark Knight
>>80819633
Check out Billy Bat for some good-guy Hitler.
>>80846099
It's Westaboo enough to have a wider appeal than most /a/-shit...
>>80831460
>Green Goblin has being Harry's uncle
nigga...
>>80820016
>Didn't like Lee/Kirby Spidey
>Didn't like JMS Spidey
>Didn't like Kraven's Last Hunt
I don't think Spider-Man is for you
>>80820670
Timm's Cheetah will always be the hottest one.
>>80823672
If Pete died, whoever killed him would be dead as soon as his friends found out.
Doctor Strange has a super under-rated rogues gallery. I hope the movies do them justice, but I shudder to imagine what will happen when Jason Aaron gets his paws on them.
>>80847034
forgot my pic
>>80823292
Villains don't usually play along well. Too many extreme personalties in the same place. Each wanting a piece of the hero for themselves. Doesn't usually work.
>>80823292
>public spectacle
whoever kills a beloved hero would be gutted by other heros or the masses
You think joe citizen is going to accept sandman killing peter parker? you think he wouldn't demand his head on a pike within the day? the way marvel civis treat heros its a miracle half the supervillians haven't gotten the death penalty
>>80820737
muh diiiiiiick
>>80829660
I remember Puma was pretty intense in some stories.
As was Carrion.
>>80821258
I love
I really do
That Captain Marvel's villains are all exactly what you'd get if you asked a kid to draw a bad guy.
>>80819561
Nope, that is actually Hitler that survived WW2 because of comicbook science, and then he decided best place to be is in American KKK which is totally not a hamfisted social commentary.
>>80821894
Make him an old racist veteran who thinks PEGIDA is good and all those evil mozlem immigrants will destroy the country.
>>80826902
Is his origin story literally that he was covered in cement and some bricks stuck to him? That's amazing.
>>80846584
What?
You don't know... F-Fred Osborn?
Norman's retarded brother and family secret that drank the goblin formula because he thought it was orange juice?
>>80845509
There already IS a character archetype for this. V from V for Vendetta/Anarky/every single character in The Movement.
Antihero who uses violence for greater good and social change, but won't stoop down to simple terrorism that would put innocents in harm's way.
>>80843811
Buff Freud
>>80851049
>won't stoop down to simple terrorism that would put innocents in harm's way
and that's the main difference in my idea - Flag Smasher is a villian not an antihero, and terrorism is a tool in his utility belt - he will kill innocents for the greater good of the world - thats why I said he's like Ozzy
