What a Drama & Retarded Queen.
That's not Anna.
>>80708414
>I have an ice power & im scared for the rest of my life.
>>80708397
Blame falls squarely on the parents. They made Elsa into a paranoid reclusive mess and Anna into a neglected attention-seeking whore. It took the people a single fucking day to embrace Elsa's magic, yet their retarded parents ruined their childhoods over it. Them drowning was pure karma.
>>80708962
I personally blame the trolls.
>>80708656
>I have dangerous powers & I'm scared I might hurt someone or worse...
>>80708996
>implying the first thing you wouldn't do with dangerous powers is grope butts left and right, leaving kids scared in the process
>>80708996
And shes get depressed for 14 years...
>>80708996
>WHAT IF WE HONED THIS POWER TO AVOID KILLING PEOPLE INSTEAD? IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T OWN THIS KINGDOM,RIGHT?
>>80708397
Frz Fags go die.
Zootopia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tangled>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Frozen
>>80709050
heh amateur ;_;
>>80709064
Well she didn't, her parents did and they taught her tonbe afraid and ashamed of her powers.
>>80709064
Wasn't that basically the plot of the movie?
>Elsa stop fucking around with your powers and be a proper auren
>NO
>let it go let it go
>>80709045
Wait...am I groping Kid's butt in this scenario?
I hope Hans will show up in Frozen 2.
>as a love interest
>>80709205
Shit Ship
>>80709205
What's with people liking Hans? He was a shit villain: everything just fell in his lap and he had to go and ruin it with his impatience and stupidity. There's nothing to him but looks.
>>80709723
He was a good villain actually.
But its going downhill and retarded so fast after he was revealing himself as a villain to anna.
>>80710062
Marrying an attention starved girl for her money isn't exactly a masterplan of exceeding difficulty. He was a good actor at best, but Anna was a QT so it wasn't even hard to act enamored. Worst case scenario he gets to live in a castle, bone a hot girl and his kids will inherit the throne because the queen is frigid. But no, he had to go and do stupid shit because he couldn't wait worth a damn.
>>80709205
I want this song to apply to Frozen 2 and Helsa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-Fqgj5Hwo
>>80709064
No, royalty doesn't "own" the kingdom, especially in the north. Not even in the 1800s.
They rule because the other noble families, clergy and military deign them fit for ruling, essentially, and their noble family likely has some estates and fortune etc. but they don't "own" the entire kingdom.
>>80709205
Ooh yes, that'd be amazing
It'd be the best, most badass Disney couple ever
>>80710606
I just want to see Elsa be responsible for Hans' redemption. And a nice kiss at the end.
>>80710646
I'd even take an implied kiss.
I have a question about this animatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sgr9Ro3Oxc
Elsa freezes Anna's heart by accident at the end. But unlike in the movie, she sees it happen and appears to be shocked about it. Have Disney people discussed this video with the fans and mentioned how the story was gonna continue from there? Was Elsa still gonna let a big angry snowman chase her sister out of the castle, despite the knowledge that Anna's been injured and might die? Or was the plot gonna head towards some totally different direction?
>>80710161
He wasn't marrying Anna for her money anon, he was marrying her to be a King. And he will settle for nothing less. That's called ambition.
Forgive Hans.
>>80711579
To forgive him would imply he did something wrong...and Hans did nothing wrong.
>>80711609
Bleh. I'm tired of the "villain did nothing wrong" meme.
>>80711638
Hitler did nothing wrong.
Is Kristoff literally the most forgettable Disney romantic interest?
>>80711657
>>80709071
>Snowchan is actually kill
Do I dare wonder what exactly they were talking about for all these years?
>>80711505
So wait two years and let your mistress poison her and blame it on a noble you stupid fuck.
Not let the ditzy girl know your plan.
>>80708975
It's funny cause it's true.
>>80708397
> a Drama & Retarded Queen
Fuck this movie but dude you have language skills of Chris-Chan
>>80711678
I would say yes.
No one ever talks about him.
It's always anyone but him.
>>80711638
But it applies so well to Hans because Hans has the best PR
>gave food and blankets to starving cold citizens
>stopped weaselton from taking over
>saved Elsa from being shot by a crossbow
It's arguably nothing more but appearances but you gotta admit Hans did some good politicking.
>>80711695
Well the problem with that is killing Anna doesn't really move him any closer to the throne because Elsa would still be queen.
>>80710161
>Anna was a QT so it wasn't even hard to act enamored
He seemed to be sort of annoyed by her though
>>80711874
Can you blame him?
>Did this bitch just say sandwiches
>>80710161
>he had to go and do stupid shit because he couldn't wait worth a damn.
What was he supposed to have waited for? Anna showed up very clearly at death's door, hair white, freezing cold (so bad he feels it instantly through her winter clothes), almost unable to walk on her own. She says that Elsa struck her with her powers and froze her heart and only a true love's act can save her, everyone assumes this means a kiss, as far as Hans knows there's no-one who has true love for Anna so there's nothing to be done.
I agree that he should have sat there and waited for Anna to die just to be sure before going after the witch queen, but he couldn't have anticipated Olaf.
But otherwise I think he acted pretty much how other very ambitious men might have done.
>>80711901
Also
>I just told you my brothers treated me like shit all my childhood
>we sang a fucking duet about leaving the pain of the past behind and about how I'm desperate to find my own place, away from my abusive family
>now you want to bring them all in to live with us so I'll never escape them because you think it'd be amusing -for you-
>>80711693
Purity, incest and porn.
>>80708397
Everyone in their family is a drama queen.
>>80709071
This is actually true, memery aside. Zootopia and Tangled actually have a better story than Frozen. Frozen's rewrites were so damn obvious, but luckily the audience got distracted with the snow and the actual snow blizzard happening.
It's a miracle how okay Zootopia turned out to be, despite the drastic rewrite it went through. Then again, in that one interview, the Zootopia directors did say they felt like they had all the right pieces and they just had to figure out how to arrange them.
>>80708397
Hngggggggg Elsa got the biggest boobs of all Disney Princesses
>>80713458
She isn't a princess tho
>>80713458
I'm doing a cross-reference right this instant.
And I think you're right.
>>80713532
DisneyJews is marketing her as princess nowadays.
>>80713458
What about Jasmine? She had some pretty big sand dunes.
>>80713577
Nah
>>80713538
scratch that, Pocahantas's rack wins
>>80713695
I think is the same.
but does it jiggles ?
>>80713800
That cant be real
>>80713918
Its Real anon.
Elsa got a lots of boob jiggle
>>80713800
>>80713988
one of the benefits of cgi I suppose. If 2D characters jiggle it's immediately noticeable.
>>80714225
Jiggling in 2d is really hard to do as opposed to 3d where they can just mimic real breasts.
>>80713988
I see why people like frozen
Surely you people aren't being serious...
>>80714445
Don't worry friend. I will have an accurate list of the princesses' boob sizes from greatest to least soon enough.
>>80714590
We eagerly await my friend
>>80714428
Because You can literally fap to this scene.
This 9 seconds of Frozen movie is literally Porn
>furries are aloud to run rampant on /co/
>princess lovers aren't
What happened to /co?/
>>80714685
damn anon, My day has changed
>>80714797
you're supposed to reeee at them and direct them to their trash board toilet
>>80714797
normies
>>80714797
Because Official Disney Princesses are Human
>>80712108
>kiss Anna
>nothing happens
>"Oh no, those lying troll bastards!"
>marry her
>sit with her until she dies
>Elsa just fucked off to the mountains anyway
>congrats, you're king
>as established, Kristoph only makes it half way across the fjord before Anna croaks, not even close
>Elsa returns
>no problem, you have Anna's word that she's a murderer
>imprison/execute
>alternatively: blackmail into marriage and then pardon
>>80714812
If you rarely heard let it go song, you will enjoy it more because on that 9 seconds, elsa tongue is showing at near the end.
>>80714942
is there anymore like that?
>>80715090
There is, but not as hot as those 9 seconds Elsa animations though.
>>80715090
Oh, and if you want those 9 seconds in High Resolution, Uncompressed Bitrate, here it is :
https://my.mixtape.moe/ppjbsg.mov
>>80715349
what about tangled? Its prolly got some similar stuff
>>80715349
>>80715420
9 min download? what?
>>80715427
Nah, didnt see anything.
Frozen is the one of kids movies that shows many sexual gestures btw.
>>80715496
Straight Rip from Frozen blu ray.
>>80715543
>https://my.mixtape.moe/ppjbsg.mov
shit son, its 97 mb
>>80715626
Because its better to see it Crystal Clear.
Imagine if Anna has hurt herself falling out of a tree.
Her parents would've cut down all the trees in the kingdom and insisted that trees don't exist. They'd drive Elsa crazy because she'd be too young to be able to pretend that trees aren't real and wouldn't understand why they're doing this.
>>80715730
im trusting you anon
better not have a virus
>>80711874
That's wishful thinking, anon, he looked 100% charmed with her because Disney cheated the villain in at the last moment. I wouldn't have minded so much if he'd like, I dunno, had any look on his face other than wistful happiness when he was under his douchecanoe when he met Anna. Literally any other emotion: anger, worry, confusion, resignation, they all fit with the situation he's in and with his ultimate goal. Anything but "oh my god she's so cute look at her go, I'm in love already" when there's no one watching.
Any creeps here have more Anna pics? Trying to figure out how similar she is to Rapunzel.
>>80716029
That and they spend the whole evening together just talking.
>>80716110
>creeps
implied
>>80716218
Any people of refined tastes here
>>80716211
Well, no. First they hung out, but they then did whatever shit Anna wanted.
>>80709205
Reminder that Elsa was Hans primary target of seduction,to the point he learned he everything he could know about Elsa
>>80708397
Elsa is CUTE. CUTE.
>>80717640
agree
>>80717640
Yes.
>>80717964
we need more of this thread
>>80716029
>because Disney cheated the villain in at the last moment.
But that's not true at all. All the sources say that Hans, or the earlier versions of that character like Admiral Westergård, was never good. He was made to be the villain. Jennifer Lee has also said in the scriptnotes interview ( http://johnaugust.com/2014/scriptnotes-ep-128-frozen-with-jennifer-lee-transcript ) that she and John Lasseter went through Hans' inner thoughts carefully scene by scene, to get his facial expressions and behaviour just right, balancing between having him show what's really going on in his mind and not tipping their hand to the audience.
The whining about them writing Hans as a villain being a last-minute addition is pure bullshit.
He had a look of wistful happiness when looking after Anna because
a) he was prepared to marry a queen-to-be no-one had seen in over a decade, which is exceptional, so the thought that it's because of some deformity or hideousness must have crossed his mind, but who gives a shit he needs a kingdom so he'll marry into one no matter what it takes. Therefore it must have been a huge relief that the girl he'll need to marry for convenience is actually pretty, and not a hideous hag,
and
b) he hadn't spent enough time with Anna to be annoyed by her yet. But during the coronation ball, you can see him get increasingly fed up with her whimsical bullshit. First in glad I caught you, then when she smacks him in the face, then the sock sliding, SANDWICHES etc, and finally during the engagement announcement his smiles are visibly forced and fake.
>>80716029
He was always planned to be the villain. He's happy in that scene because it's clear she's a clingy, socially awkward weirdo who's easy to manipulate. Why would he show anger or resignation?
>>80719511
Allow me to clarify a few details.
Prince Hans evolved from a character named Admiral Westergard. That's where the canonically-accepted surname of Prince Hans comes from.
Admiral Westergard was written to be a stupid, inbred noble who goes on a power trip. He concludes that he must be the one to sacrifice Elsa to lift the winter as foretold by the scrapped prophecy. But the directors preferred a villain who was sneaky & twists the knife on both the protagonist & the audience.
The concept of the romantic-evening love interest is the villain has been incorporated into the script in mid-production drafts. However, the twist reveal ot the villain came late in an already-rushed production.
>>80709071
A moment of silence
>>80719721
Does this look like a cunning grin of a master plan coming into a very tangible fruition or the uninhibited smile of blissful admiration?
>>80709071
So is /frz/ gonna migrate elsewhere, or try to come back here, or will it die?
Frozen thread? Don't mind if I do.
>>80720784
>elsa plays chopsticks constantly because its the only thing she knows how to play on piano
>>80720564
It was dying for a long time, less and less people posted due to there being no new content in the franchise and people losing interest. I think this will serve to get some more people toyou know what.
Some will probably return here, like me, some will try to find a new place, I don't know.
>>80720282
>Admiral Westergard was written to be a stupid, inbred noble who goes on a power trip.
How do you know that? I'm genuinely curious.
However, the pic in >>80719511 as well as pic related are early concept art for Hans. He doesn't look that silly, and is clearly villainous.
The thing is that Hans being a villain is probably at least as old a development as Elsa and Anna being sisters. Therefore it's stupid to treat it as if it would be some especially last-minute addition to the character to "turn" him into a villain, when the entire movie is nothing but last-minute rewrites. Fuck if I understand it correctly the idea of Elsa not being villainous was invented around mid-production, based on Menzel's touching rendition of Let It Go.
>>80720505
It doesn't quite look like either, but
>a master plan coming into a very tangible fruition
sure, it's a smile of relief that things are working out great and also the girl he has to marry turned out to be rather attractive. I don't know where the heck are you pulling this "cunning grin" from. Do you assume that every person for some reason always pulls a "cunning grin" when things are going the way they hoped?
>>80711874
You can tell Hans felt like a total ass when he was with Anna.
last one guys
>>80720825
Frz will live on as long as Disney keeps making shorts and sequels. This Zootopia thing is only temporary. There's no princesses, connection to Marvel, or songs so Disney won't do anything with the franchise.
>>80720825
One, many concept art is made to explore characterization possibilities.
Two, there was always a certain smugness in his concept art. Think kinda like Prince Charming in Shrek or Futurama's Zapp Bannigan- a pompous ass high off of the air of his own voice.
I'll tru to find a source. A quote on it went something like "[Hans] was never quite good, but sneaky was more fun than stupid."
>>80720948
basic instinct
BASIC INSTINCT
>>80721130
I saw that quote. It's from JLee's twitter and the only thing I've ever seen.
I'd like a source on claims like
>stupid, inbred noble who goes on a power trip
>concludes that he must be the one to sacrifice Elsa to lift the winter as foretold by the scrapped prophecy
>concept of the romantic-evening love interest is the villain has been incorporated into the script in mid-production drafts
It could be true, not denying it, but I'd really love some sources because that shit interests me greatly
>>80714837
>>80714854
/r9k/, pls
>>80720895
Oh yeah
>>80720825
Not him, but I assumed he was referring to this tweet.
Then there's his deleted song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk8VnQifCxA
In the movie, Hans kept observing the people around him carefully in an attempt to find their weaknesses so he could exploit them with his charisma. But the guy doing this song belittles Anna and doesn't let her join in the song. He seems more self-absorbed and oblivious of other people's feelings.
Also, the audition for the character apparently called for an overly confident ladies' man with a dark side:
http://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Santino-Fontana-Reveals-FROZEN-Audition-Song-I-Feel-Pretty-20131219
The guy who got the part did a take on "I feel pretty". The audition description or the song don't seem all that Hans-like to me. So I'm getting the vibe he was originally supposed to be a bit more pompous and egoistic like Gaston or Prince Charming from Shrek. Those traits were probably toned down to make his reveal scene more of a surprise.
>>80720875
There was just too much naivete to the smile, not a self-crongratulating smile of how fortunate the circumstances were & how malleable his underhanded plans were. It's too geniune; Prince Hans was well aware of how nefarious his plans were so a facial expression should match.
>>80714797
Zootopia threads surprisingly have a lot of discussion regarding worldbuilding, concept art, and production details.
Frozen has exhausted this type of discussion, resulting to just waifu discussion and boob jiggling. Maybe that's why?
>>80721348
>well aware of how nefarious his plans were
His plans at that point were "marry the queen-to-be and become a king by her side" though, and were juuuust changing into "hey maybe I can marry the first-in-line to the throne instead of going home in defeat, close enough, I can work with that".
I mean Hans isn't like a traditional Disney villain who just wants to be evil for the sake of being evil. I think you expecting some nefariousness is just you being upset that the character doesn't quite match your headcanon and declaring that shitty writing, instead of accepting that the character is different from how you see them
>>80720505
It looks like a sociopath who's relieved his plan is going to be easy peasy. He's got a similar air when he notices how fractured Anna and Elsa's relationship is until she reveals her magic.
I like to picture Hans in the same vein as Dennis from Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
>>80721417
By the smile-under-the-boat shot, Prince Hans had already readjusted his plans with Anna as his door to the royal line & Elsa would have to be bumped off. He knew he was going to murder for his plan, he knew his plans were dark & underhanded, so it doesn't mach his sneers in his reveal scene.
>>80721523
Not at all. He was glad to catch Anna because it coommenced a night of [indsufferable] wooing. Besides, in the coronation ball scenes, Prince Hans constantly had an audience, unlike the for-viewers'-eyes-only shot of his smile under the boat.
>>80721285
Precisely. Thank you internet stranger!
>>80721856
That's just your headcanon, dude. You have no official source giving you solid canon insight into Hans' head, scene by scene. And no, the A Frozen Heart book isn't that since it flat-out contradicts several scenes in the animated film, describing situations and discussions that simply are not had in those scenes, so it's not official canon.
>He knew he was going to murder for his plan, he knew his plans were dark & underhanded
That's just how you've interpreted the character. But seeing how carefully Lee & Lasseter went over Hans and his expressions and thoughts scene by scene - if his expression doesn't match your headcanon of how you think he's feeling in that scene, then most likely it's your headcanon that's wrong.
>it doesn't mach his sneers in his reveal scene
He probably felt very differently about Anna by the reveal scene, several days later, then, than at the boats when he'd just met her and didn't know almost anything about her except that she's cute?
>>80721574
>Anna is Mac
>Elsa is Bird
>Kristoff is Charlie
>>80722319
Who's Frank?
>>80721254
Hans is like the only thing that makes Frozen rewatchable.
>>80709071
Oh shit...
I know I should've gone back a few months ago.
Shit man, this hurts.
>>80722502
I really had a lot of fun just looking at his face and picking up on all the subtle shit going on I missed completely when I was actually focusing on the story on the first viewing.
(I know it's somewhat obsessive, but who cares)
>>80722672
You're not >muh microexpressions anon, are you?
>>80722740
who now?
>>80722254
Woah dude. You're pissed because I out-deduced you. Prince Hans knew what the change in his plan would entail but that smile has such dissonance to what was going on in that scene. If you're going to bring up what the directors said, here is what she said about Prince Hans's thoughts in that scene:
>Jennifer: Well, what’s interesting was it was a big — there was a lot of debate about that, not when to give it away. And John Lasseter particularly really didn’t want to. He loved it so much not to that he would push to the extreme sometimes where my sociopathic mind would break down because I’d be like, no, no, no, he wouldn’t do that because he’s calculating.
>So, I had to literally walk through every scene, what’s going on in his head for real, and at least I could — like when he says, the first time when he finds out she’s princess and drops to his knees. Before that she’s just a girl. But the key moment is when she says, “It’s just me.” And he goes, “Just you?”
>And that’s like inside he’s going, “Ooh, you don’t think very highly of yourself, do you? Well, I’m gonna…”
A Frozen Heart is basically a Disney-sanctioned fanfiction, & we all remember [or don't] what happened to The Lion King's Kopa (neither are canon).
>>80722833
Guy who was sucking Hans' dick so hard that he started talking seriously about how his "microexpressions" indicate he was more complex/justifiably evil than the scheming git that everyone else rightly thought he was.
It was pure, concentrated autism.
>>80721973
Anon... it's a smile of relief. Its a red herring.
I think the issue is people think he's normally mustache twirling. The dude just wanted to be king because of his daddy issues and if he had to bump some other royals from their own kingdom off to get there he'd do it. He gives up the act when Anna comes back because he doesnt love her, he never did. Theres no point in pretending anymore because he cant save her anyway and he was sick of her shit.
>>80722849
>You're pissed because I out-deduced you.
Uhh, I'm not pissed at all. What makes you think that? A bit overly paranoid and sensitive, are we? :D
Also, I'm not sure how it's deducing anything that you're upset that the expression on a character's face is not what you think it should be.
It is what it is. What's animated in the film is what's canon. Even the quote you pasted shows that Lee & Lasseter spent a lot of time and effort thinking about Hans and his thoughts, especially in that scene.
Again, therefore what they ended up animating his face doing is intentional. If you think there's a "dissonance" it must mean that your belief of what's going on in his head is wrong.
>>80722945
>justifiably evil
well, I know I can be somewhat autistic about stuff but that sounds even worse
>tfw liked Frozen, Tangled, ZootopiaBig Hero 6 was mediocre outside of the Hiro/Baymax relationship
>>80722672
Well shit Now I'm thinkig they didn't use Hans to his fullest.
>>80723134
Somewhat agree, but watching Gogo in action was loads of fun. Didn't much like her character but I liked her style of fighting.
>>80722945/frz/was great.
>>80722958
Relief... Relief about what? Hans's plans became simutaneously more complicated (added murder) yet easier (new romance target is hornier than an Irish bunny). There's not really any relief in that...
Prince Hans's smile was completely to subvert any audience suspicion regarding the character. The writer can't fudge her way out of that; it was purely wank writing for shock value.
>>80723183
It was. I can't believe it's gone. Fuck...I thought it'd still be there when I came back to it.
>>80723136
They didn't. They wasted time on Anna the retard with no character development because Kristen Bell said so.
But there's still a sequel to really explore Hans!
The entire thing was an allegory for homosexuality. It fits too much for it not to be true.
>>80723230
The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
I'm glad it gave us EiS. I wonder what happened to Frac.
>>80723136
I hope they bring him back in Frozen II to sneer at things and suffer behind stiff smiles some more. I don't give a shit about the motivations, just give me the stiff, poorly concealed resentment
>>80723351
Maybe he'll get a minor appearance in Frozen 2: Sven's and Olaf's Adventure.
>>80723351
I hope they tease a redemption arc throughout the movie and then reveal that Hans is still Hans the piece of shit liar that he is.
>>80723013
Jennifer Lee addressed the antagonist's thoughts during his first meeting with Anna, but never spoke of the shot immediately afterward of the sweet smile.
This is not about headcanon, it is about shit writing excusing such a dissonance in characterization for a cheap twist to make the audience feel stupid & hurt.
>>80723445
>since they didn't talk about it in an interview, it must mean it was never addressed or thought about in production either
>to make the audience feel stupid
Lol stay mad
>>80723351
Nah, I want him to bitch about how stupid the other characters are.
>>80723348
Incestuous homosexuality?
>>80723579
Why not save that for one of his brothers? A new character with Hans' charm, sharper wit, but actually a nice guy?
>>80723552
They probably thought about it but any reasoning was overrided in support of fucking over the audience. You're just aren't thinking about it to justify your opinion that Frozen had fantastic writing regarding Hans.
>>80723223
What are you trying to argue here? Its relief because he just managed to befriend one of the elusive, havent been seen in years royal sisters for what he assumed was an easy in. Who immediately opens up to him and shows how naive she is. Murder and offing people to get ahead wasnt exactly an uncommon thing amongst royals. The movie and its plot were rushed yeah, but a red herring for a villain that was part of the plot from the beginning is not "shock value".
>>80723579
I'd be satisfied with this too desu. Just full-blown glorious disdain written all over his face
>>80723397
That could be amazing. Or maybe combine the two, tease him becoming this prince valiant goody two shoes character regretting his past ways and then have him revert into a sarcastic, arrogant smartass who looks down on everyone and tries to kick Olaf's head into fireplaces every chance he gets because the fucker just gets on his nerves so much
>>80723677
>justify your opinion that Frozen had fantastic writing regarding Hans
I've never claimed that though. You should ease up on the strawmanning, dude
>>80723743
And then Anna punches him into the water again. Pure pottery.
>>80723593
Think about it
>two girls sneaks out at night to play
>one girl discovers her burgeoning sexuality and takes it out on the other girl, unaware of what she's doing
>parents find out
>takes her to get treatment
>quacks insist that it's dangerous and she just not talk about it
>parent keep both girls seperated from each other and from expressing their sexualities
>younger sister never gets a chance to express her sexuality and grows up lusting for guys
>older sister realizes she is gay and runs away
>younger sister blames herself and goes after her
>at the end, they both come to terms with her homosexuality and forgives each other
>kingdom is super liberal and okay with a gay queen
>>80708975
>I personally blame the trolls.
that's so 2010. we call it "baiting" now.
blame the master baiters.
>>80723733
Okay, let's start from the top:
Do you feel that Prince Hans's villainy was well-written?
Why does the film include the shot of that smile?
>>80723786
>younger sister never gets a chance to express her sexuality and grows up lusting for guys
>not engaging in sexual acts or "expressing" your sexuality results in you completely changing your sexual preferences by age 18
Uh, I don't think that's how it works
>>80722375
Olaf is Frank, of course.
>>80723743
I like the idea of the true Hans being snarky, brutally honest, yet ashamed. Sticks up his nose & condescends, but falters to his repressed feelings of humanity.
>>80723906
You sure? I've known some catholic girls who were pretty slutty because they were raised in that environment.
>>80723786
Anna did not wholeheartedly blame herself for Elsa's fleeing. She took responsibility at the ball & claimed it was all her fault when searching on horseback to only mumble to herself none of this would've happened if Elsa told her about her powers beforehand.
The film needed Anna to be seriously pissed off at her sister. Would've made for a stronger resolution.
>>80724164
does "pretty slutty" mean "fullblown lesbian"? Not bi or kissing with girls to get attention at parties, just totally gay for ever to the point of giving up on men for good?
And I mean, if it would work that way then wouldn't all of the repressed virgins who can't get laid by age 18 turn gay?
>>80724164
Catholic girls became lesbian because they were sexually repressed in youth? That's not how lesbians work, but it is a good way to create sluts of any orientation.
>>80723846
Why does /co/ has such a serious master baiting problrm?
>>80724050
Sounds fantastic, actually. I like the idea of redeeming him somewhat, but I don't want him to become blah and boring, it doesn't fit him. I feel the character should retain some of that dreadful spite we saw in the reveal scene, sharp sarcasm and cutting remarks and whatnot.
>their exile site is shut down
> all the /frz/fags come back
the mods should be banning these threads
>>80724321
Prince Hans should be redeemed, but he shouldn't lose his personality in the process. He could be very valiant but still bitter & perpetually annoyed. Maybe someone who scoffs at all the lovey-dovey family shit but secretly loves it.
>>80724438
It's still relating to animation & isn't MLP. I don't see a problem.
Maybe a forum for all things Disney is in order...
>>80724453
I like this
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>>80724287
I was talking about Anna was boy hungry, not Elsa being gay.
>>80713458
C cups
>>80726351
the C stands for Cool
So /frz/ is coming back here once Frozen 2 comes out right?
>>80728863
It's already back, there's even a new short coming out this summer.
>>80729149
WAT
The superior sister.
>>80729698
How? She's a brain-damaged slut with no discernable skills, no passions, no struggles, no thoughts, & no character development.
>>80729698
>pic unrelated
>>80730358
She's super cute.
>>80708397
Drama is not an adjective retard
Learn how to english
>>80730431
*poot*
If you're an assassin, is Elsa the easiest piece of royalty to kill?
>>80730582
>what a retarded drama queen.
That works
>Elsa is such dramatic & retarded queen.
That too
>>80730688
There were assassins in the movie and after a beat Elsa nearly killed them.
>>80730729
Right. *good* assassin, then
>>80730431
Elsa is hot & wise.
Anna is sorta ugly & fucks everything up in her wake of carelessness.
>>80730749
Oh please. We can keep going "yeah but what if they were REALLY good" until we're blue in the face.
>>80730749
Elsa is a witch-queen.
>>80730884
Who sucks at using her powers in combat. An actual assassin, not a soldier, could probably snipe her.
>>80730688
Never. Elsa either hid inside in a single room surrounded by guards, stone walls, a "moat", & a bustling village or let loose with her deadly ice magic.
>>80730919
Anyone can snipe anyone if they're sneaky enough.
>>80730919
>he thinks assassins are elite!
>>80730919
With what, a crossbow?
>>80724254
>And I mean, if it would work that way then wouldn't all of the repressed virgins who can't get laid by age 18 turn gay?
all my observation of 4chan reacting to traps suggests this is the case
>>80730981
Putting words in my mouth won't change what was actually said
>>80731015
Yes? How hard can it be too sneak or infiltrate Arrendale, especially with that lax as hell security?
>>80711901
but that's what he was gonna say
>>80730919
dude she created sapient life out of snow
even if you killed her she'd probably just reform as some sort of elemental spirit
>>80731170
Maybe, but as we have no basis for that. I'd have to say that wouldn't be happening. All we know is that she's got some ice powers
>>80730726
But that isnt what he said
>>80731098
>Lax as hell security
We know that Elsa can create powerful snowstorms, bulid large ice structures in the manner of minutes and create snow golems. Quit trying to be tactical because you suck at it.
>>80731215
So your argument is that, because we haven't seen Elsa dealing with a real assassin, she'd die to them, because we haven't seen her use powers therefore they must not exist?
So "my imaginary scenario works because your imaginary scenario doesn't" is what you're going for. Right.
>>80731242
It's what he meant to say.
>>80731247
I said the kingdom, not Elsa. The kingdom's security is lax.
>>80731267
>So your argument is that, because we haven't seen Elsa dealing with a real assassin, she'd die to them, because we haven't seen her use powers therefore they must not exist?
Well, no, partially, we haven't seen Elsa using ANY sort of regeneration or revival powers, so how can I say that she can do any of that? And yes, I say she'd die to a real assassin because I haven't seen her do anything that looks like it could repel an assassin, partly because you really wouldn't have to fight her head on, and because Elsa's kingdom looks like it has terrible security
>>80731414
>I haven't seen X, therefore Y
>I haven't seen X, therefore not Y
That's what you're saying. Other anon was right, you suck at tactical.
>>80731414
How do you know that anon?
>>80731546
He's making shit up because he wants to be tacticool.
>>80731414
She created sapient life. At the point it's not witchcraft, it's divinity.
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>>80731636
Why would I assume that an assassin couldn't get in and ghost Elsa, when all I've seen from the movie is that; besides having ice powers, she's still just an empowered human, and the kingdom doesn't have good security (shit Hans and Anna duped that guard pretty easily)?
Can either of you give me evidence that a dude couldn't do this? Because you're telling me I'm wrong, which is fine, but I'm not getting a good enough why.
>>80731653
>that a dude couldn't do this?
No, because you will immediately respond to any and all criticisms with "yeah but a GOOD assassin would-" while concocting imaginary scenarios that the characters haven't faced yet and so we have no idea how they'd fare and no one would get anywhere.
Absence of evidence, etc.
>>80731651
Or witchcraft to some, just saying.
>>80731707
What if I promise I won't? You're not even trying.
>the characters haven't faced yet and so we have no idea how they'd fare and no one would get anywhere.
Yeah, but conjectures and hypotheses can still be made anon. I'm pretty sure that that's basic science project stuff.
>>80731772
I'm not trying because I've seen this happen time and time again. Enjoy your tactijerkoff somewhere else.
>>80731806
I'm sorry you're shellshocked, anon. I really don't care whether she can or can't. I simply made a statement and you jumped on me for saying something that's hardly tacticool. But whatever, PTSD I guess.
>>80731653
You're wrong because you severely underestimated Elsa's ice powers.
>>80732048
Ok.
>>80731653
If we're operating on Disney than the assassins will fail in comedic ways. If we're operating on your tacticool bullshit than the assassins still lose because you're putting grunts up against a goddess.
>>80732115
I'm operating on a competent, villain level assassin. And Elsa is not goddess level. Not yet anyway.
>>80708962
Bitch is a full grown adult and leader of a country she is far too old to be blaming her parents.
The entire plot could have been avoided if she hadn't flipped the fuck out.
>>80732431
She wasn't raised right.
>>80732491
No one is raised right but if we play the blame game nobody is at fault.
instead take responsibility for your own actions, nobody made your decisions for you regardless of your circumstances.
>>80732491
The parents did not exile Elsa to her room- that was all Elsa's insistance. They gave her gloves to curtail the problem, but even then she jizzed through them.
The underlying fear of hurting others should still exist. Anna did not make a convincing argument otherwise.
>>80732571
Nobody is at fault; it was an all-around tragedy.
However there could be a communication error. Grand Pabbie erased Anna's memories of magic & bid farewell with an omnious warning. Now the parents are left with a brain-damaged child with laser-guided amnesia. Do you reexpose her to the magic she specifically had wiped from her memories or do you try to hide the magic that already harmed her?
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>>80730884
Wait, you people know this is a kids movie right ?
>>80732951
>Nobody is at fault
Elsa literally is.
She was the one who decided to fuck off to the mountains without explaining anything she was the one who decided to throw a ice age spawning bitchfit, she was the one that decided to chase off Ana again without explaining anything.
She made these decisions.
>>80733028
>wheredoyouthinkweare.WebM
>>80733152
How do you explain "I've secretly been an Ice mage for my entire life"
>>80733333
Shes get beaten by those two (plus hans distracted her) and thats it, period.
Shes got an unstable mental condition in 80% of the movie.
>>80733152
Elsa is the cause of the eternal winter, but she made her decisions out of concern for others's welfare. Elsa exiled herself for thirteen years in solitary confinement be ause she did not want to harm anyone with her volatile powers. During the coronation ball, Elsa accidentally released her magic. Those icicles could have impaled someone. Elsa saw her presence as a danger to everyone around her, so she believed the best way of preventing further harm was to run as far away from people as she could. When Anna came to her doorstep high in the mountains far away from people, Elsa insisted that Anna leave for her own safety. But Anna, claiming to understand something that is far beyond her mental capacity, kept pushing Elsa & only exacerbated her anxieties into an axiety attack. Elsa pushes back & accidentally strikes Anna. Elsa conjures up a snow bouncer to remove all guests & prevent any further visitors from being exposed to her dangerous magic. Elsa is confused to why Hans captured her & brought her back to the castle as by the line "But I'm a danger to Arendelle."
>>80733436
I wouldn't declare her as unstable, but coupled with her ice magic, she was really dangerous.
>>80733395
>"I've secretly been an Ice mage for my entire life"
Saying literally that would have been a nice start instead of just bailing without a word and letting people assume the worst.
>>80724438
"Frozen is not a banned topic"
Quote from /frz/ 1k
>>80734037
That's a fucking bombshell to drop on someone.
>>80734037
Elsa was shooting off ice blasts without warning. She could have killed a dozen during a simple confessional.
>>80732431
But she doesn't.
At no point in the movie or any other Frozen related material does Elsa ever blame her parents.
>>80734591
Basically this.
She was a danger to everyone around her and had no way to be sure she wouldn't kill anyone.
Fucking off to the mountains was the smartest option.
How exactly did Elsa overcome her fear so quickly in the climax? She still hurt Anna & it was fortunate that Anna had true love.
>>80709071
You Mean :
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>>80734037
Well but on the other hand, when she was 8 the trolls showed her the very frightening prophecy of the crowd of people turning red and attacking her as soon as they find out about the powers. Her parents were also so spooked by this they thought the best way to handle things is to hide, repress, conceal, never let anyone know, because it's so dangerous. The trolls also went through the trouble of altering Anna's memories while they saved her, just to keep her from knowing about Elsa.
After an upbringing like that, it's hard to think that hey maybe I'll just undo everything and flippantly reveal the big secret we've been going to such pains to keep secret for the past decade lol what could go wrong maybe it'll fuck with her magically-altered memories
>>80731651
not that anon,
But Elsa doesn't have omniscience or anything like that. She makes dreadful decisions and is very easily duped by Hans on the ice. She also gets knocked out by tripping and hitting her head on the floor when she runs from the falling chandelier; she's unconscious for quite a while, so it doesn't imply she heals like wolverine or is invulnerable or such. She also gets a flu in Frozen Fever and becomes very affected by in within a few hours, to the point of almost falling to her death while being delirious, so she's not impervious to sickness, either.
I'd say that her powers are just an extension of her consciousness or emotions. They blocked the Weselton operator arrow because Elsa saw it coming; she shielded herself with her hands, and the powers enforced that emotion of covering up. But they don't magically spring up to protect her from harm with a consciousness of their own.
Also, despite Elsa having the ability to create snowstorms, she can't keep up a constant blizzard in the middle of Arendelle's capital, and the ice spears or shields or whatnot, again, require her to see the threat and react to it.
So, she's by no means the "easiest" royal to kill, but she can be killed, to answer >>80730688
>>80730729
They weren't really assassins since they ran straight at her in the open while shouting "get her". More like just attacking soldiers or thugs. Just using a crossbow doesn't make one an assassin
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>>80739647
Bla Bla Bla.
>>80740004
reading is hard, huh
>>80740004
Long post does not equal bullshit.
I'm sorry it's too difficult for you to understand kids movie, anon.
>>80729597
>new short
Well it's just speculation.
But people have found some "deluxe junior novelisations" at Amazon, and there's new merch being listed for being released in the summer, all for "Frozen: Northern Lights". The new merch features new renders, too.
What's interesting is that the new novelisations promising to "retell and expand upon Northern Lights in a fresh new way", which really hints toward Northern Lights being a short. What's also notable is that the novelisation for Northern Lights is over 200 pages, whereas the novelisation for Frozen Fever was less than 100 pages.
The novelisations are set to release in July and then November, so people are estimating it'd mean release in theatres around July and home video November. Looking at Disney's movie release schedule, a strong contender to have a Frozen short attached to it could be the live-action version of BFG.
info:
http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-frozen-northern-lights-short-85082/
"Frozen Northern Lights" merch : http://shoo-shoos.ch/epages/167675.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/167675/Products/JT-86577
Of course, on top of that there's the already announced holiday special, but that's coming Christmas season 2017.
>>80737251
It always bothered me too. A lifetime of being crippled by fear, and then it's "love… of course!" and that's it, trauma vanquished.
>>80732431
>parents raised her in isolation telling her that people will hate her if they find out who she really is
>grows up to be distant, reclusive and paranoid
But it's totally not her parents' fault, right? You dumb cunt.
>All those /frz/ fags is in here after snowchan died.
Welp, time to report this to the mods...
