Is Captain America a Libertarian?
>>79159336
He is an Irish catholic Art student that worked as a designer.
What do you think?
What he believes is pretty irrelevant since he chooses to serve the american military.
>>79159336
Someone said New Deal Democrat.
So I guess that means he supports Trump.
More of a Tea Party conservative if he believes in American values.
>benefits from government program
>has outdated view of the world
>white senior citizen
Sounds like a Libertarian to me
>>79159336
You are such in denial if you think he's anything but Liberal.
>>79159336
TWS Cap sure seemed like one.
You tell me.
>>79159436
>benefits from government programs
>seiously using this to insult Libertarians
Saying that is equally as retarded as complaining that Socialists use capitalist products and benefit from a capitalist society.
Truman Democrat
I think Caps political beliefs are intentionally vague so the readers can effectively project their vision of the ideal america upon him.
I'm an Anarchist so I've always read him as sort of someone who doesn't place faith in any particular political ideology but has a strong sense of right and wrong.
As for eneacting those things I think he's say its not about how is the government going to do the right thing and take care of its people. Its
"how Am I going to do the right thing and take care of my fellow country men?"
I think for Cap responsibility begins and ends with what you are capable of doing yourself.
And that a good government and the american dream should start with that and it will inevitably sort itself out.
Its always seemed strange ot me blue collar conservatives aren't more invested in "socialist ideas" because these are people with an incredibly strong sense of communal idenity.
>>79159366
>What he believes is pretty irrelevant since he chooses to serve the american military.
Actually, he doesn't serve the American military. He no longer answers to the American government, and will, if the government tries to sic the military on him, fight them (though he would definitely hate it). Hell, in the '70s, he even uncovered a conspiracy that led all the way up to the President (an obvious stand-in for Nixon).
But, as he is an Irish-Catholic art student from 1930's Brooklyn who personally benefited from the New Deal, wholeheartedly embraced having a black man as his equal, and who routinely stands up for the rights of minorities and the oppressed (see one story from the '80s, where he supports his gay friend Arnie and saves him from the Red Skull trying to brainwash him into being an assassin; and a story from not long after 9/11, where he stops some teenagers from attacking a Muslim man), yeah, he's definitely on the left wing.
>>79159713
>Truman Democrat
Wouldn't he be on Ice during Truman's Presidency?
>>79159781
He might have been still active during the very earliest days of Truman's Presidency, but probably not for very long.
>>79159772
>Hell, in the '70s, he even uncovered a conspiracy that led all the way up to the President (an obvious stand-in for Nixon).
and he stop being portrayed that way after volume 4, 9/11 killed that version of that character.
>>79159772
He is a democrat, he is not left wing as left wing doesnt exist in Murrika. He and his mom did get help from socialists when he was a child.
He is a Catholic new deal democrat, that's all.
>>79159935
> Obama
> Authoritarian Right
This is dumb on so many levels
>>79161671
>Americans actually believe Obama is a leftist
He is as neoliberal as Reagan. But then again, americans believe Faggot rights are a "left wing" thing.
>>79159435
You honestly believe a WW2 era veteran has the "I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub" view of government?
Probably a bit of a Truman democrat. If you don't know what that entails you should probably sit out the discussion.
>>79159735
>Anarchist
Found the edgelord
Cap did live in an age were communism was popular around people of his social class, so I have no doubt his parents at least believed in communism, don't think Steve did though even if he most likely hanged with people who did during his artist days since he was in that one government artist program which had a lot of bohemian art people with left wing ideals and communist beliefs (forgot the name of the program but Waid mentions it in his Cap comic).
I dunno what his political ideologies are but they are pretty liberal at least.
>>79162255
There's nothing edgy about him being anarchist you idiot. There's nothing edgy about wanting control over your own life and not wanting to give your power away to someone else.
But in america Anarchist means Punk rocker...
>>79162370
>punk rocker
I've got more respect for actual punk rockers.
I'd say more along the lines of "retarded 12 year old."
>>79162369
>communism was popular among impoverished masses in the 1930s/40s.
Hardly. There was some interest among some people. Calling it popular is a silly, McCarthyist exaggeration.
>>79162461
BETTER DEAD THAN RED!
>>79159336
No, he cares about the well being of others
>>79162370
>There's nothing edgy about wanting control over your own life and not wanting to give your power away to someone else.
Jeez mom, I'm a teenager now so I should be able to stay up as late as a want... GOSH!
>>79161780
Yeah, socializing health care is such a right wing deal. Common core is the epitome of republican values.
>>79162855
>socializing health care is such a right wing deal
And public education is not?
You americans are so stupid that it doesnt makes sense.
Any answer but founding father classical liberal is wrong.
>>79162855
>socializing health care is such a right wing deal
Fascist Italy had it too. You idiots shill for your jews so hard that you fail to see that Neo-liberalism (Literally Reagan, Tatcher, Pinochet.) is not even capitalism, it goes agaist freedom and democracy itself.
>>79159336
The 616 Universe Cap always seemed like a New Deal Democrat.
Ultimate Cap is clearly a neoconservative who later adapts non interventionist ideals.
>>79163487
Nice right wing talking point, but Italy didn't have univerisal health care until 1978. Facist Italy had some state paid health care programs, but it was for fascist party members, and basically amounted to corrupt officials ripping off the taxpayers. It wasn't any sort of welfare program where the poorest and neediest got healthcare.
More like how modern republican congressmen vote against healthcare for the public, but enjoy their own free healthcare at tax payer expense.
>>79159366
No, because he's a good person.
Jokes aside, he's a New Deal Democrat and thus for social programs.
>>79162855
American healthcare isn't remotely socialized. Obamacare just extended the lifespan of privatized medicine.
America doesn't have a left, just varying degrees of right-wing.
>>79162855
>socializing health care
Handouts to private insurers isn't socialism.
>Common core is the epitome of republican values.
States deciding their education programs? Yes it is.
But beyond that, the "No Child Left Behind Act" heavily encouraged it and that was passed by a Republican Congress and signed by George W. Bush.
>>79161671
Authoritarian might be a bit strong of a word, but he does genuinely believe that the government, particularly the Federal Government, should have expansive powers and responsibilities.
>>79159336
Cap's the kind of guy who looks for solutions, not problems.
Boy, can you imagine the headache that political theory would be in a universe with supervillains and transdimensional gods and shit?
>>79163539
>who later adapts non interventionist ideals
What happens? I didn't make it that far.
>>79159735
>I think for Cap responsibility begins and ends with what you are capable of doing yourself.
ah, so he's a Kennedy Democrat
>>79159735
>I think for Cap responsibility begins and ends with what you are capable of doing yourself.
>Literally runs a superteam that does the opposite
Whut
>>79164142
There are multiple villains who are heads of state. Craziness
>>79164643
The Avengers do what the people are not capable of doing themselves.
>>79164536
I'll bite, what gives.
>>79164863
something something writers using characters as political mouthpieces
>>79164142
By the end of The Ultimates Grand Theft America arc.
>>79164863
If you were suddenly shifted from the polution level of the fifties to the polution levels of modern times, you'd be an enviromentalist too.
Take a trip out to the country, then another trip to China's industrial cities, it's roughly the same experience
>>79165170
Pollution levels in the 50s, at least in the U.S., were a lot worse. It was much more like China is now.
>>79165237
guess I'll have to find something else to pull out of my ass then
>>79163487
And the fascists were on the left.
>>79163539
How did he even BECOME a neoconservitive when he was on ice during the whole rise of that movement? God Millar.
Well he goes to trump rallies
>>79162193
Yes
>>79166247
I fully expect a Trump-inspired Captain America villain to be introduced soon
>>79159336
Depends.On.The.Author.
Civil war cap leaned towards Libertarian.
Other times he's a straight-up lefty.
>>79163759
Not exactly.
He did respect FDR though.
>>79172223
You're late. The Serpent Society is being headed by an Anti-Immigrant Human Trafficker promising "to make America Marvelous Again" by turning Mexicans into abominations for some reason.
>>79172223
The Red Skull's been a character for awhile now, anon.
>>79172699
Like the Hulk villian Abomination?
>>79172223
>>79172699
God it's so fucking cliche.
No he's a Princess Di liberal.
Wasn't he going to be an artist? I don't remember anything about libraries.
>>79172775
He was an artist, he even worked as a illustrator before he joined S.H.E.I.L.D and still had a secret identity. His portfolio was useful for hiding his shield.
>>79163882
I can't remember if it was NCLB but I'm pretty sure NCLB was bipartisan with a slim majority of republicans rejecting it while the rest worked with the (slim?) majority of the dems to pass it.
>>79162461
Except that documents released after the fall of the USSR proved McCarthy right
>>79164092
Of course "Slap a Jap" Rogers respects the man who threw people into internment camps because they had Japanese ancestry.
>>79164536
>the auto-oil-military-industrial complex
Is it just me or do they add more hyphens to their complexes as time passes by
Next it will be the cis-hetero-auto-oil-military-capitalist-industrial complex
>>79173105
What about the Bandai-Namco-Toei complex?
>>79173068
Hey, we got Asian-Italian fusion cuisine out of that.
Though the Germans didn't seem to add a lot during camp.
>>79173105
these days we just call them The 1%
>>79172996
You're probably referring to the Venona documents that McCarthy apologists love to drag out.
Those documents do indeed prove that the Soviet Union had spies in the United States. Except that's nothing anybody has ever argued against.
And it's got nothing to do with justifying McCarthy's actions, because none of the people that McCarthy accused of being spies, or sympathetic to communism, or being unamerican had anything to do with the USSR's espionage program.
He was an artist in New York that was the son of poor Irish immigrants. He voted for FDR twice and said Cables socialist island utopia was the perfect realization of the American Dream.
>>79173423
I think the actual HOUSE Anti (un?)-american affairs commission DID find some real spies/enablers.
McCarthy was senate.
>>79173467
>He voted for FDR twice
I don't think he was old enough for that.
>>79173508
He was born in 1920, he was old enough to vote in 1940 and 1944.
>>79173105
>anything liberal faggots don't like is a 'complex'
Christ.
>>79173995
Wasn't the federal voting age Twenty ONE back in 1940?
>>79166247
STOLEN VALOR!
>>79172699
I think it's more anarcho-capitalism, where he's just doing what the free market demands, which is beating the shit out of people and performing beyond ethically dubious human experimentation. Doing it to Mexicans is just more convenient.
Iron Man is more like a Libertarian. Cap is a staunch liberal.
