You know, she's actually kind of a shitty villain. There's nothing interesting or memorable about her aside from "SHE'S A BIG FAT MEANIE!"
She's a shit villain, because she's not the main villain.
She's not a villain. She's a soldier sent to earth to do her job. She's the equivalent of a storm trooper.
>>78955000
>"SHE'S A BIG FAT MEANIE!"
We really don't know much about her or her motivations
she was in 2 episodes a 11 minutes, there was no time to flesh out her character
>>78955051
nice setup
>>78955051
She still counts as an antagonist though, and a shitty one at that. Rewording it doesn't change that.
>>78955000
Of course she's shitty. She's fucking Raditz. She's not supposed to be deep or particularly motivating, she's meant to be the first real threat that sets up the "shit is getting real" element of the show.
>>78955012
She was the main villain for two episodes. The series hasn't established any main villain, unless you count Yellow Diamond who was only established recently. Yet with less screentime, she's far more interesting than Jasper ever was.
Jasper is only memorable because she was in one of the best scenes/songs/episodes in the series, but that's it. She relies on what's around her to be interesting. well her design is kind of cool i guess
>>78955000
>Do your job
>Villain
The crystal gems are the ones that abandoned their own species and committed treason and murder just so they could protect some shitty planet to have their xenobestiality fetish in peace.
>>78955000
>breaking Garnet in half
>not interesting or memorable at all
Plus the entire fight in general. Considering those two things make up like, 80% of her screentime she seems pretty alright to me OP.
>>78955173
Yes, that moment was pretty cool and so was the fight. But can you actually tell me anything about her personality aside from her actions or role in the story?
>>78955208
She's tough, no-nonsense, ruthless, and also dishonorable and doing whatever it takes to get the upper hand/preserve herself (as in when she put side her feelings on fusion to fuse with Lapis).
I consider that to be pretty decent when Jasper's entire existence is "be tough then get the shit beat out of her by Garnet (and make Malacite I guess)".
>>78955208
Do you watch the show at all?
She's a military gem who knows of and respected Rose Quartz, but nonetheless values strength above mostly all else.
Not even the person you were replying to, but your question, as well as the gripe this entire thread is based on, is bullshit.
>>78955257
That's actually a pretty good description of her.
>>78955290
I made this thread a few days after I saw Yellow Diamond for the first time, because right after I saw her, I remembered Jasper and thought "Wow, this one is so much better."
who cares
>>78955122
I like her voice, personality, and character design.
>>78955352
i do
>>78955000
She's like an orange Shego on roids with no backstory
>>78955122
Yellow Diamond and Homeworld were mentioned before Jasper's arrival, and Jasper was mentioned as only being an escort during her arrival with Peridot. Jasper was never the big bad. She was someone sent to earth to do a job. She was played up as being a fierce warrior but she was never at any point played out to be a final villain archetype.
When YD inevitably comes to Earth with a million Jasper-tier gems, is there anyway the CGs are gonna be able to beat them without it being an asspull?
You realize we have like one episode of her total, right?
She's a front line soldier. She has the most history with Rose and earth. Her mental state at this point is probably batshit insane after being force fused. Steven is horribly afraid of her contradicting his entire "everyone deserves a second chance and can be talked down" mentality he usually has even though she's the one who never tried to kill anyone unlike Lapis and Peridot.
>>78955000
>>78955012
>>78955051
She's pretty cool. Fit the role of higher rank grunt baddie well.
Sugar said herself the their wouldn't really be a real villain is SU.
>>78955085
She's not a shitty antagonist because she never was played out to be the major antagonist. That's like getting mad when you're playing Pokémon because the team rocket grunt didn't explain a motive for trying to take over the world. It's a fucking grunt and you're not even past the second gym. Let the story build, holy shit.
>>78955000
She's a jarhead put in charge of a fairly easy mission. Soldiers are usually exceptionally average people.
>>78955548
>She's not a shitty antagonist because she never was played out to be the major antagonist.
Do you people always have such a black and white mindset? That someone can only either be the big baddie or a grunt, and nowhere inbetween?
Even in the Pokemon games, Team Rocket had major grunts with name and shit that are more memorable than Jasper. Anyone remember Proton?
>>78955655
But she most likely is a grunt. She was completely awful at command and made retarded tactical decisions.
>>78955000
She's just meant to be sub boss that's a 180 Rose Quartz
>>78955697
I'd say Peridot was more of a grunt. Peridot was Jasper's grunt.
>villain
At least try you dumb falseflaggers
>>78955588
I'm betting she's above average. The Jaspers we saw in that Blue Diamond flashback were beaten by Pearl. This Jasper is clearly capable of smashing all the gems short of maybe Garnet who she put up a ridiculously good fight against despite being one gem vs a fusion that's way above the rest.
>>78955697
Not really. She took charge of the mission and ruled showing Steven to Yellow Diamond above the cluster, but she did her job otherwise.
>>78955326
>I made this thread a few days after I saw Yellow Diamond for the first time, because right after I saw her, I remembered Jasper and thought "Wow, this one is so much better."
That's just the thing, you stupid little Anon. Jasper was never THE villain. Even when she appeared, they were all talking about Yellow Diamond. Hell, that's who they were specifically going to show Steven to. To ever think that Jasper was some sort of head honcho is outright retarded.And by the way, Yellow Diamond obviously isn't the main villain either. She's as interim as Jasper was. Hell, the story, real antagonist may not even be a tangible person, but rather the system, or a concept.
>>78955655
Thing is that there is no in between at this point in SU, and as far as we know Jasper is a fucking grunt soldier sent on an escort mission. To say she was a terrible main villain is retarded because she isn't intended to be the main villain. At this point, all she has been established as is a plot tool to let the viewer know that Homeworld is coming to fuck shit up.
She didn't need to be fleshed out, explain her motivations, etc. She's not in charge of anything. She's an escort.
We will probably see more fleshed out in-between baddies later on, but don't expect that out of Jasper. If Jasper was high ranking, she wouldn't have been sent to bumfuck planet earth.
If Jasper does get more fleshed out, it's probably going to be because she's being redeemed.
>>78955754
There's such a thing as sub-villains, ya moron. Scarecrow from Batman Begins wasn't the main villain but he was still a fucking villain. Nobody is calling Jasper THE villain. They're calling her a villain.
>>78955352
>>78955385
>>78955548
Peridot was a researcher, and Jasper was a higher authority protecting her.
It seems that Ruby is more of the grunt gem. The fact that Yellow Diamond was curious about the wellbeing of Jasper is indicative of that.
If anything I'd compare Jasper to a general, outranking Peridot since she overruled her decision to stay on Earth.
>>78955725
No, Jasper was Peridot's escort. The show even said so. Technically Jasper was under Peridot in that instance. She only took control because Yellow Diamond is above Peridot, and acting in favor of something YD would want has greater priority than something Peridot would want.
Why the fuck isn't /sug/ banned yet
>>78955809
Answer me this. Did you get mad watching Star Wars when the storm troopers didn't explain their back stories and motives?
>>78955809
Then why the fuck are you comparing her to YD like they should be on the same footing?
And the Scarecrow analogy is all but feckless since the gems in SU are arranged in a hierarchy. Scarecrow is just another villain. Not someone who works for the Joker or whatever you may be implying.
She's just the Nappa, Frieza's meathead emissary doesn't really warrant the time for development. Why do we have to know every villain's sob story or turning point?
>>78955880
But this isn't a /sug/.
It should have been posted there, but OP is retarded, and probably also a faggot, as you implied.
>>78955512
Damaged gems recovered, probably will find a way to control the shard fusions too.
>>78955914
No, because I'm not "mad" at anything. Besides, the Stormtroopers were not named nor were they a significant obstacle for the main characters. Plus the Stormtroopers were plentiful. Those monsters that the CG's fought all the time are more like Stormtroopers. Jasper is more like Boba Fett, who was also a shitty villain.
>BUT BOBA FETT DONT WORK UNDER THE MAIN VILLAIN
not the point
>>78955944
>why is somebody comparing one villain to another
Just because one villain is smaller than another doesn't mean they're not comparable. They're still villains.
>>78956066
Except Jasper isn't even at the level of Boba Fett because Jasper is literally meant to be an expendable warrior with dozens of copies of herself back on homeworld. Jasper is literally a stormtrooper.
>>78956183
Clearly not, or Yellow Diamond wouldn't immediately query the location of Jasper.
It was established that the expendable warrior gem is Ruby.
>>78956066
>I'm not "mad"
>not the point
>Just because one villain is smaller than another doesn't mean they're not comparable.
I think you may be kind of retarded, Anonymous. Or autistic. The real kind, not the 4chan kind.
I'm sorry.
>>78956183
>literally
The term is allegorically you fucking retard.
>>78956251
>or Yellow Diamond wouldn't immediately query the location of Jasper.
You don't pay attention to anything, do you.
"the Jasper".
"THE Jasper".
It was pretty much the same thing as asking the whereabouts of the ship. Why do you need this explained to you?
>>78956183
>i look at characters by their occupations in the fictional universe and not their roles in the story
Are we watching the same show? Because from the point of view of the main characters, Jasper is a pretty big threat. Just because she's not as big of a villain as the giant yellow cunt doesn't mean she's not a villain at all.
If she's a Storm Trooper, then what are the monsters that keep showing up? What are the cluster-prototypes? What about literally every other villain in the series that played a smaller role than Jasper?
Look at the character's role and impact in the story. Not the occupation in the universe. I don't care that she's a "storm trooper". She's still a crappy villain.
>>78955000
>Was there during the original war
>claims to have had great respect not for Rose, but for Rose's methods of war
We'll eventually get to see an unfiltered view of how Rose really was during the war from Jasper's point of view. With how Jasper has been set up, we can assume Rose was a bit of a monster herself if Jasper can appreciate the war crimes she committed.
>>78955517
>even though she's the one who never tried to kill anyone
He tried to kill Garnet, and was going to take Steven to Yellow Diamon, who probably was going to kill Steven and the rest of the CG
>>78956328
OP here. I've actually been hoping for an episode like this for a long time. I really hate this show's habit of saying "i'll explain why this is important later" instead of just establishing its importance initially.
>>78955000
She's only been in two episodes. Why don't you hold off judgement until she's been in a few more.
>>78956397
>Why don't you hold off judgement until she's been in a few more.
The show and the fanbase has acted like she was a major importance for a long time. I say it's a pretty good time for judgement.
>>78956381
Are you the same Anon who complained about the Garnet origin episode?
If you are, I'm sure people already explained to you then that the problem lies more with your impatience than the show's actual writing. In fact, a lot of the complaints brought up in this thread can be answered the same way, since a lot of it is people saying "they didn't tell us enough".
>>78956307
Steven was important and one of a kind, but they still referred to him as "the Steven" by Peridot as that was her understanding of what his Gem name/type would be.
All of the gems are spoken about by tools, so the use of 'the' is irrelevant.
I'm not saying Jasper is one of a kind, but she's definitely more important than your common Ruby who IMO is more of the storm trooper.
If we're comparing Jasper to Star Wars I'd call her your Captain Phasma type.
>>78956472
That's pretty accurate. Hoping they develop both characters in their next appearances.
>>78956251
...she questioned it because she sent an escort with Peridot, and wondered where the escort was and why there was a problem. Jasper could have been a Ruby and the question still would have been asked. There was a job to do, and Jasper is part of the job.
Frontline infantry is always the first group of people sent into a battle, and questions are always asked when they fuck up. How they died, got captured, etc. That doesn't mean that they're high ranked officers just because the President wants to know why something that should have been a routine mission just failed miserably.
>>78956472
Who's the TR-8R?
>>78955000
>There's nothing interesting or memorable about her aside from "SHE'S A BIG FAT MEANIE!"
She was never the end boss or even a mid boss
She's literally just one of several no doubt thousands upon thousands of Jaspers who exist
She's just a soldier who is supposed to be somewhat competent
>>78956463
>Are you the same Anon who complained about the Garnet origin episode?
Actually I loved that episode. Partly because it establishes how big the Homeworld is and how important Blue Diamond is in that very episode.
It's not "impatience" when the show just neglects to make things important at all. You have to ASSUME it's important sometimes. Remember Connie's glasses? It was kind of confusing when she just popped the lenses. Then ten episodes later, after a couple times where we still see her without her glasses, they finally give a reason why she still wears them, instead of just having her say "...I'll break the news to my parents later." or something. Then she's so inconsistently wearing them and when the plotpoint is finally resolved, it did jackshit to develop her character. The show expected me to assume importance rather than establish importance.
So excuse me for being impatient when a show acts like unimportant things are important and I'm supposed to buy it immediately.
>>78956586
Lars.
>>78956607
What OP said: "This villain is not very interesting."
What you read: "The main antagonist of this cartoon series is not a giant threat, because that's what main antagonists are."
>what's a subvillain
>>78955000
Because she isn't a villain, she's a henchman.
A mid-boss.
A thug with a badge.
A standard elite.Yes, i know that's an oxymoron
The diamonds have always been the main villains.
>>78956586
Isn't it obvious?
>>78956707
am i being punk'd or are people in this thread incapable of reading? i don't recall anybody ever saying jasper was a main villain.
>>78956326
Jasper is a fucking storm trooper. The beasts back home are sand people. The show hasn't fully gotten into the depths of what homeworld has to offer, but it's clear that Jasper is not a big bad in any way. She literally the equivalent of a lone storm trooper being encountered at the start of a star wars movie. It's still just a fucking storm trooper. To call Jasper a crappy villain is retarded. Especially when the crystal gems were aware of Yellow Diamonds existence at the time of Jaspers arrival. Even to the shows characters Jasper was never a high level enemy.
She was a power grunt that they were trying to stay hidden from along with Peridot.
>>78956692
What I said: "Of course she isn't interesting, there was never supposed to be anything about her because there are literally thousands of her"
What you read: "She's not the final boss so of course she isn't interesting"
>what's a henchman
>>78956630
>Remember Connie's glasses? It was kind of confusing when she just popped the lenses. Then ten episodes later, after a couple times where we still see her without her glasses
IIRC, she popped out the lenses and put her glasses back on. It wasn't like she took her glasses off entirely, thus leading us to believe she wouldn't wear them anymore. Hell, for all we knew, it could have just been that she simply liked how she looks with glasses, or something arbitrary like that. I don't even remember caring terribly much about that scene. You may be placing importance on scenes of your own choosing, and then getting disappointed when they turn out to not be as important s you thought they were.
>>78956762
Oh yeah, I forgot about all those nameless Storm Troopers with no implied backstories and never posed a major threat to any of the main characters individually.
>>78955000
That's exactly what I thought as well.
But hey, at least she has a decent design. Unlike some other villains in SU...
>>78956744
OP said she's a shitty villain
that anon just said well she's not even really a villain because that carries implications of a role that Jasper doesn't have
>>78956860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV4-guD2ixk
>>78956707
>>78956876
How does being simply a henchman/miniboss make you not a villain?
>>78956802
>She was never the end boss or even a mid boss
>"She's not the final boss so of course she isn't interesting"
Are these not the same thing?
Also, ever read or watched anything other than Steven Universe at all? There's such a thing as minor villains, and they can be interesting. The series is ACTING like Jasper is a big deal. If she wasn't a big deal she wouldn't have gotten a whole song dedicated to fighting her, and she wouldn't be a continuous looming threat in the ocean.
Jasper's role in the story was to represent how powerful homeworld was. It took the heroes' strongest fighter to just barely take her down, with the implication that she's just a tiny fraction of what they'd have to deal with if homeworld were to attack.
She did that job well enough.
>>78956744
The problem is people are trying to evaluate Jasper as a terrible villain as if she were designed to be a main villain. Jasper isn't meant to be some fleshed out villain and it shouldn't matter for her to be fleshed out. She's a henchman that got sent on an escort mission. She presumably has thousands of copies of herself back on homeworld. It really shouldn't matter for her to be fleshed out as a villain because she isn't the villain. Coming to earth wasn't her idea. She was literally a tool given to Peridot for safety measures by Yellow Diamond. The equivalent to giving someone a gun to stay safe (albeit a sentient one).
Jasper is not supposed to be fleshed out as a villain and to complain about her not being fleshed out is retarded.
>>78956345
She poofed Garnet, not necessarily tried to kill. She was ok with Ruby and Saphire being prisoners.
>>78956946
>>78956932
henchman implies that they are only serving the villain
henchmen can be villains or they can be normal average guys who are just following directions or even good guys who just ended up like this because it's all they could do, really it depends on their motivation
Jasper isn't a villain because there's a hierarchy in place that forces her to believe and serve a higher power, whether it's evil (which they don't believe) or not
Jasper doesn't make decisions, she follows orders
>>78955051
She was an errandboy.
Sent to collect a bill.
>>78957043
Well, that's all well and good, but honestly, I think it's a bit of hairsplitting
Way I see it, she fights for the side of the villains, therefore, she is a villain as far as the narrative is concerned unless otherwise developed or redeemed.
We could continue to debate, but really, it's just quibbling over semantics.
>>78956989
I think you have the opposite problem. Because Jasper is literally just a henchman, you believe that that implies that she can't be an interesting villain at all. That there's nothing that can be fleshed out about her, so there's no reason to look at her as any kind of villain at all (hint: Nobody is saying she's a main villain). What you don't realize is the fact that Jasper IS a villain. She's actually posing a threat to the Earth, and the characters are occasionally still worried about when she'll break out of her prison in the ocean to destroy everyone. There was a whole fucking episode dedicated to this worry.
She's still a threat. If she was nothing, then she wouldn't have made another appearance. She's a villain that the series is acting like is major. Just because she works under the big baddie doesn't mean she can't still be a villain. Stop looking at her occupation and look at her role in the story.
>serving the main villain means you can't be an interesting villain
>>78957162
>Way I see it, she fights for the side of the villains, therefore, she is a villain as far as the narrative is concerned unless otherwise developed or redeemed.
But that's wrong
There are tons of situations where the narrative could describe someone as villainous to whomever the plot focuses on, but because we are the audience we can look at every perspective
Like in Tom and Jerry, who is the villain?
>it's just quibbling over semantics
Only if you don't have an actual argument
>>78957262
What I'm a little confused about is why people didn't think Jasper was interesting.
I thought she was pretty good, and one of the most interesting things to happen to SU at the time.
>>78957293
>>it's just quibbling over semantics
>Only if you don't have an actual argument
I was about to say that this doesn't make any sense, but then I realized that it sums up this thread perfectly. Nobody has any actual argument except for arguing over what the "villain" semantics mean.
>>78957166
>That there's nothing that can be fleshed out about her, so there's no reason to look at her as any kind of villain at all
Personally, I bring up the point that as a Homeworld gem, there's barely any difference between her and just about any other Jasper, maybe even any other homeworld quartz
Which means that she was never meant to be different or special or serve any other purpose than completing her mission
And if something is only there for the purpose of doing essentially one thing, there is no need for it to have anything "fleshing out" about her
But that's just concerning the fact that there's nothing special about her and not her status as a villain
>>78957366
>is about to realize they don't know what they are talking about
>deflects it onto everyone else in the thread
okay
>>78957166
Answer this question, then. Should every single Jasper that approaches earth be fleshed out in the future when Yellow Diamond approaches with an army of Jaspers and other quartz gems? Every single Jasper is capable of the same level of destruction as the single Jasper we currently know, and poses just as much of a threat to the earth.there is no need to flesh out a character that is not unique, especially a henchman. Darth Vader was fleshed out because there is only one Darth Vader. Jasper is not Darth Vader. We will most likely only get a fleshed out Jasper if Jasper is being redeemed to become a crystal gem.
>>78957389
>>78957427
How do you know that Jasper isn't different than any other Jasper? We've seen three Pearls that were all different. This Jasper may have a completely different personality than hundreds of others.
Plus, as far as the narrative is concerned, there's only one Jasper. There's hundreds of other Jaspers, but only one Jasper actually exists in the main story, and only one Jasper continuously poses a threat to the main characters of the story.
So even if we see all the other Jaspers, they're not going to be as important as the Jasper we already know.
>>78957523
We've also seen rubies that were the same and carried similar personalities
Those rubies and Jasper share common missions (escort missions) so it's more likely that they are more like each other than the different pearls we've seen
>Plus, as far as the narrative is concerned, there's only one Jasper
the narrative has recently shown that multiple copies of gem types exist and explained in that very episode that other copies of those gems exist, "Some lost defective Pearl, a puny overcooked runt..."
>but only one Jasper actually exists in the main story
I think you're getting confused, by that time we do know that other jaspers exist in the story, but there has only been one jasper that has been seen and that is the jasper that the crystal gems deal with
>So even if we see all the other Jaspers, they're not going to be as important as the Jasper we already know.
Only tangentially, because this Jasper on earth has interacted with the cast so obviously gems that aren't on earth yet don't matter quite as much
But once they are on earth they will probably matter moreso than the first Jasper we saw, especially if there are multiple Jaspers
she's had screentime in grand number of THREE episodes. First of them she appears briefly in the very last minute of the ep, in the second she actually has somewhat of a role and in the last one she just pops in to remind us that she still exists in the bottom of the fucking ocean in Stevens feverdream.
In short, any kind of whining about her being a bad character at this point is fucking dumb since she hasn't appeared nearly enough times to determine that, you could make a better argument about fucking Sourcream than Jasper.
>>78957794
Good characters don't need multiple appearances to be shown as good characters
On the other end, just because a character gets a lot of screen time doesn't mean their character has been developed
>>78957711
>>So even if we see all the other Jaspers, they're not going to be as important as the Jasper we already know.
>Only tangentially, because this Jasper on earth has interacted with the cast so obviously gems that aren't on earth yet don't matter quite as much
Those Jaspers have never interacted with the main characters. There's a possible chance that they will NEVER interact with the main characters. If they're never seen, then does Jasper still not pose a threat to the main characters? Is Jasper still not important just because there's many of her that exists?
You're still not really considering the fact that she's STILL in the main story. She's still looming over everyone because they don't know when she's going to have her jailbreak. I'd say that makes her a million times more important than some other Jasper that's probably taking a piss in a forest somewhere.
>>78955123
Your logic makes WWII German rebels against the Nazi regime villains. Stop trying to be special with a differing opinion.
>>78957855
>Is Jasper still not important just because there's many of her that exists
Jasper actually isn't as much of a threat with Lapis holding her down, even then, she wouldn't be able to get off Earth or even communicate with anyone off Planet
Those unseen Jaspers hold just as much of a threat as she does
>she's STILL in the main story
She had screentime, that doesn't make her more in the main story than any other jasper
As far as plot is concerned, then yes she matters because she's the only Jasper who has interacted with earth recently, but plot =/= story
>>78957971
>Your logic makes WWII German rebels against the Nazi regime villains
the Nazi regime wasn't an impossibly old empire lead by an alien race that literally creates soldiers out of dirt and rocks
I get what you're saying, but it's not the same because the Nazi regime was imposed upon people, not something they were really born into
It would be akin to astronauts going to the moon to live there and not coming back
>>78957999
>Jasper actually isn't as much of a threat with Lapis holding her down, even then, she wouldn't be able to get off Earth or even communicate with anyone off Planet
you might as well just say
>i didn't pay attention to that dream episode
>>78958053
Jasper escaping doesn't mean that Earth as a whole is in more danger than it would be if literally any other gem beast escaped, nor does it mean that the crystal gems are in any more danger than they face any other day
Peridot wasn't even able to contact Diamond without the Crystal Gems' help
Jasper is a threat, but compared to literally everything else, she's not a large threat
especially not without her ship, especially because Garnet beat her one on one but now has 3 other gems to help her beat Jasper
This thread is literally like pulling teeth. Jasper is not a villain you can judge because she is not making actions entirely of her own volition. She's simply carrying out orders in the name of YD. She never was the main villain, was never played out to be the main villain, and never crafted plans to attack earth herself. She was only on earth because she got sent there. She was sent there because she's an expendable warrior. She is not meant to be fleshed out as a villain because she is a plot tool used to explain the homeworld is dangerous and powerful. There is absolutely no need to explain her back story because all it would amount to is "Yesterday Yellow Diamond called me on the phone during a training session and told me to go to Earth with Peridot. A few thousand years ago I was on earth during a gem war with a bunch of other copies of me." She's not meant to be fleshed out because she's replaceable.
If she ever does get fleshed out, expect it to be because she is getting redeemed. And this goes for pretty much any other HW gem that's not a Diamond or close to it. None of them are unique, and thus have no reason to be fleshed out unless they're getting turned into CGs or teetering the fence of becoming CGs before a backstab.
>>78958119
Oh, you're right. Remember how easily they were able to defeat Malechite? Definitely not a threat. Especially with Lapis nearing her limit.
>>78955000
Fuck SU and fuck Rebbecca Sugar, the entire plot is fighting the "empire strikes back" with lesbian scissor gemming transformation love... with a fat kid that looks nothing like his parents... daddy got cucked by a Mexican!
>>78958238
Wouldn't Lapis just defuse instead of letting her stay as Malachite?
Even then, they could fuse to become Alexandrite, especially because they haven't been fighting at the bottom of the ocean for the past 6 months or so
>>78958293
>gemming
Is this a slang word that basically means when two or more lesbians with awful personalities have sex to music?
>>78958334
Basically.
Are you the same guy that starts SU threads every day with really dumb arguments, usually strawmen?
You must really like SU.
>>78958293
Does she think that's cute? Why does she insist on looking like a 10 year old boy?
>>78958119
Jasper is worse in that Gem beasts are just roving mindless beasts, Jasper can plan her attacks and already outclasses the Crystal Gems.
Plus maybe Gems just really value pointless sacrifice.
>>78955000
She's Nappa
Peridot was Yamcha
Maybe Yellow D is Freezer?
pfhahaha
We are talking about Sugar so we are going to get a cheesy ending/battle.
>>78955944
>Comparing Scarecrow to Ra's al Ghul
>Comparing Jasper to Yellow Diamond
hierarchy
>>78958422
Actually I'm a newfag. I just made this thread because I realized a couple days ago that Jasper isn't as interesting of a villain as everyone acts like she is. I've seen some people make pretty good arguments defending her (notably >>78955257 and >>78955517), but I didn't realize that I had to sift through so many dumbass arguments as
>HUH SHES A STORMTROOPER SHE NO MATTER
because subvillains don't exist apparently
>>78958519
and then there's this asshole
>>78958433
>>78958422
No, but I dislike SU a shit ton, at times, it's "okay" but it's literally 90% talking about feelings and then the... gasp, oh my "lesbian gem mut transformation".
>>78958470
>Jasper can plan her attacks and already outclasses the Crystal Gems
She only won because she surprised them with new technology that she no longer has
She can't poof any of the gems instantly anymore and now has to fight them on their turfon theirearf
>all that buildup for a literal dance fight where Jasper's suddenly incompetent and Garnet is putting out no effort
I get that action isn't the primary focus, but Jesus Christ.
>>78955491
Jasper is the first one to mention Yellow Diamond in the show.
>>78958554
This is why some of my favorite episodes are episodes that aren't trying to force emotions and just have a good time. Like Steven & the Stevens or even fucking Say Uncle, and I hate Uncle Grandpa and that episode.
>>78958564
In the flashbacks Pearl defeated two quartzes in one move. I want to see that again.
>>78958639
She had rose backing her up
Pearl is a "shell" of her former self
>>78955000
People are just really quick to latch into any new development in this show.
SU has this constant promise of a story that's going to get awesome any minute now, big bad homeworld coming to fuck shit up and a flood of awesome varied gem characters. However the plot's moving at a glacial pace, and the introduction of new gem characters is a trickle. So when a new gem is introduced people get insanely hyped even if she doesn't do much.
Also her design is pretty cute.
>>78958661
>You are your own gem, you don't need Rose
>Said the two midgets in a trenchcoat
>>78958661
You shouldn't pull things out of your ass. It stinks up the thread.
>>78958605
Another reason I dislike it, is because there is no threat, or they convey it horribly. It feels like a rave after-party and everyone is trying to figure out why they feel these feels. It's like they're just dick stumbling around, and then talk about their feelings... eugghhhh, I want some drama and action dammit, not this monotonus, dull, raspy attempt at trying to evoke feelings when almost nothing has happened, the only time I did see anything worthwhile was with that Blue chick-poo and her depression, loneliness shit, but that was shoe horned and down played to the side for other shit. They could have REALLY expanded on her, but, nah, they just rushed through it, and then talked about how they felt, ughhhh.
>>78958692
>SU has this constant promise of a story that's going to get awesome any minute now, big bad homeworld coming to fuck shit up and a flood of awesome varied gem characters. However the plot's moving at a glacial pace, and the introduction of new gem characters is a trickle. So when a new gem is introduced people get insanely hyped even if she doesn't do much.
this
But when is the show going to stop being Garnet Universe again
I'd like for her to come back eventually. It'd be kind of boring if they went with the redemption arc again though, or worse, if she was a hollowed out / mindbroken husk of her former self from being raped under the ocean for months on end.
>>78955000
dat literal hateboner
>>78958749
She constantly refers to the lack of Rose whenever the face certain threats, like when Amethyst cracked her gem
There was even a whole episode about how she isn't the same because Rose wasn't there, the one where she just let steven fall off a floating rock
>>78958804
It's been Peridot and the clods for a while
>>78955122
Remember when Peridot was "the main villian" of the show?
>>78955051
She also had sick spins and hated all Traitors.
>>78958937
she works under the main villain though so she's not a villain
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>>78958937
How the mighty have fallen.
>>78959000
I mean back in "Marble Madness" when we didn't even know about the Diamond Authority.
>>78958872
Yeah but they're just breaking her in for the redemption arc
And foxy boxy fusion rock even found a way to make that about the beauty of having a relationship with yourself
>>78958990
It should have been the big shiny storm trooper bitch in this scene. I was disappointed that she didn't get a fight scene.
>>78958554
>I dislike SU
Yeah, I totally get that from the way you won't stop watching and talking about SU all the time. That's totally what somebody who doesn't like SU would do.
>>78959311
>>78959311
I said it was "okay" at times, but overall, I dislike it, they could have done something really special with it, but, smeh, it stinks of lesbo symbolism, touchy, touchy watered down feelings (feels are fine, but they did it all kinds of wrong), with a fat kid side kick who really does nothing for the most part except tries to have the gems relate with Earth culture.
>>78955988
nice /sug/ meme but they are nothing alike
>>78959124
I prefer it not being her. It showed that even a bog standard storm trooper private without any fancy armor could actually be a threat.
>>78958532
>Comparing hierarchical villains
>>78959826
>excluding characters from any kind of villain list because an occupation hierarchy happens to exist
>>78956918
I don't get this video
>>78959802
Cocky temperamental meathead sent by a smarmy alien conqueror to check in on a planet's destruction; what's the difference?
>>78959908
You're thinking of Radiz, not Nappa.
>>78958751
Well they prevented this from happening to the Earth, so imagine what else the Homeworld Gems are capable of.
>>78959882
look at yellow diamond's neck
>>78959944
OHIs it supposed to be funny?
>>78956918
Holy shit my sides!
>>78956066
uhhhh boba fett most certainly does work under vader and by extension palpatine. like has anyone seen empire strikes back
>>78960063
Boba Fett doesn't work under Vader. He was willing to work with Vader in order to get Solo's bounty. If anything he works under Jabba.
>>78956554
That's only if Phasma managed to escape the garbage before Starkiller exploded
>>78960332
She's confirmed for Episode VIII.
>>78955000
Why is there SU discussion outside of the general ?
>>78960775
iunno, op made a thread and people responded to it. they probably didn't know the general was allowed again.
>>78960775
because maybe i wanted to make it a specific discussion i dunno
>>78960775
Because it's valid discussion of almost entirely one particular point of interest and not entirely just another shitpost hate fest or a hug box of fan art spamming.
You'll live.
>>78955000
>loyally serves her diamond
>villain
More renegade propaganda
>>78960950
pretty sure the moment that the general is gone, there will be no threads that involve SU. And the moment it does get mentioned at all, there will be massive amounts of shit posting.
So I'm pretty sure that there will be no place to discuss it soon on 4chan, since trash has no meaningful discussions, and co mods will make sure any threads related to SU never get made.
all because you couldn't keep it in a general.
>>78960042
/sug/ ladies and gentlemen
>>78961309
Mods have seen and passed over this thread already. In the time span that this thread has existed, 3 other SU threads were deleted by mods. 1 of which for pure shitposting, 2 of which for bringing up seriously insignificant topics that belong in the general. This thread is safe.
You're the only one doing any serious damage right now.
>>78955122
>>78955000
She hasn't had time to be more interesting yet you retard
Peridot had the same criticism before she had her arc, just be patient, jasper will get her time too
>>78961670
>just be patient
ok because it was impossible for them to establish her interest since her debut 25 episodes ago amirite
>>78959040
I miss the days when she was a tad intimidating.
>>78955000
Maybe the bully that used to do wedgies to Sugar looked like uhm him her that shit and she projected her on that.
>>78962091
she's been on the bottom of the ocean for the past 25 episodes while we got through the peri arc
there was no time to go back to her or lapis aside from that dream in chille tid
why are you saying stupid things
>>78962091
She showed up for one of those 25 episodes, and only as a very brief cameo. They've been doing other stuff. You don't just pull Jasper's backstory out of your ass when she's not even around. There's no pressing need at the moment to get to that, just wait already.We have confirmation that Lapis is free in a few episodes. Jasper will be touched on soon.
>>78962309
>We have confirmation that Lapis is free in a few episodes. Jasper will be touched on soon.
Yeah, but fucking when. The scheduling for SU is goddamn bizarre.
>>78962309
better version
>she's a big fat meanie
I'm on chanu, I was honestly expecting a picture from spongebob.
>>78962309
>>78962388
What episode are these from?
>>78962537
They show that clip in one of the bumpers that plays before a commercial break. We think it's from Barn Mates.
>>78958043
It's like astronauts go to the moon so that they can take its resources for Earth, but then they meet sexy moon people and decide to stay and defend it from the Earth
>>78962537
the assumption is the upcoming episode Barn Mates
>>78962537
That gara? kinda looks like his style?
>>78962608
I'm not doubting anybody's claim on this at all (since so many people are saying it at the exact same time), but why is it that literally every video showing this clip ONLY shows the clip itself? Honestly I'd like to see the before and after, because it seems bizarre to just show 5 seconds of something.
I don't watch SU on CN. All I'd like to see is the before and after.
>>78956806
>>78956630
In the same episode where Steven gets his spit in her mouth and her eyes get fixed, she asks what she'll tell her parents/optometrist. Popping out the lenses and putting the glasses back on very clearly implies that she's just not going to tell them and continue pretending she needs glasses.
How was that hard to understand?
>>78962886
CN sprung a leak and tried to patch it up real quick-like
>>78955000
She's also a rapist, since fusion seems to be a metaphor for sex.
>>78963009
Nah, it's more like Jasper wanted it at first and then didn't realize how kinky Lapis is and then got fucked into a sex coma
>>78963009
But she didn't force Lapis to fuse with her.
>>78963009
she asked for consent though
Are we gonna have to go back to /trash/?
>>78962971
>she asks what she'll tell her parents/optometrist.
Because that's such an abnormal question to ask. Clearly it implies that she's worried and not that it's really really really really big news and literally anybody who gives a shit about their life would ask this question.
But it really didn't matter because she kept wearing them anyways. It was so inconsistently done that it does nothing to progress her character or represent her growth, which I think was the point. She even continues to wear them in the opening; the one WITH the sword.
It's like the writers wanted to give a shit but couldn't think of any reason to.
>>78955407
lel
>>78963009
>fusion seems to be a metaphor for sex.
Am I the only one who thinks this is really fucking forced (no pun intended)? Like fusion can represent ANYTHING you do with a friend. "Friends" can also force you to do something you don't want them to. Why does it need to be tied into rape?
>>78963127
no, as long as we don't act like a roving gang of disruptive assholes. that shouldn't be an issue, right?right?
>>78963190
>Rose and Sapphire clearly being in love
>Implied as a higher level of intimacy than friendship
>Pearl thinking Stevonnie was "inappropriate"
There are reasons.
>>78955000
A big fat meanie zucchini?
>>78963315
Think you mean Ruby and Sapphire.
>>78963315
Also:
>called the highest level of intimacy
>Pearl bragging that she could fuse with Rose and Greg couldn't
>>78963373
Yeah, that was..... yeah.
>>78955000
It's pretty obvious she's coming back considering that one promo that CN fucked up with. they're probably going to flesh her out then since they didn't have much time before.
>>78963339
iwas waiting for this thanks anon
>>78955000
I really enjoy /sug/ when there are episodes on, but all of this out of the general shit makes me hope that the mods ban us again. People like OP are pony faggots who cannot keep to one thread and deserve to go back to >>>trash.
>>78964364
getting threads for specific topics is actually pretty nice
good jasper talk
>>78963190
No, it literally is lesbo space gem sex, you are too diluted, thick and ignorant to see it.
>>78964543
>all fusion shown in the show except the Ruby fusion is heterofacetal; it involves gems of different types
>Homeworld is disgusted by non-homosexual fusion
Crystal Gems are actually heterosexuals fighting against an oppressive homosexual regime.
>>78964364
my thread has literally outlasted 2-3 generals so...
>>78964501
This is exactly why we were banned before.
These fucking waifu threads are bullshit and you know it and if there was no moderation there would be a thread per gem.You assholes *should* keep it to one thread but no, your ~special snowgems~ so you feel entitled to more than one for a show that is CURRENTLY ON HIATUS.
Fuck that, mods please ban /sug/ to trash.
>>78964638
this isn't /sug/ and it isn't a waifu thread, the op doesn't even like her
>>78955000
>not the general
>hide, ignore, report
>>78964638
You don't want threads about specific characters, but you don't want a general thread to talk about characters.
>>78955840
This. Also Jasper is a veteran of the first Gem war for Earth. She showed a personal interest in finding and fighting Rose Quartz, the enemy general, so she might be somewhat high-ranking. Also Yellow Diamond asked after her, surprised that Peridot was making the call and not the team leader.
Jasper may be just a commander or an elite soldier in the opposing army, but she's interesting because of her history, of the information she has and can provide, of her perspective, having seen the fight for Earth from the other side. She's interesting because she's not a wishy washy do-gooder gem but actually a formidable force with a brutal attitude, who still has some sort of warrior's code and high ideals. She respected Rose and considers fusions a "cheap tactic".
Nevertheless, her drive to win is so great she's willing to bend the rules if that's what it takes to win and complete the mission and defeat the enemy. She's loyal and fierce and enjoys fighting.
She's also going to have some insane PTSD from the whole Malachite situation, too, should be interesting to see how that affects her views on fusion.
She's interesting because of the immense promise and potential of interesting storylines and lore. Also I don't think she's as one-dimensional as some people think, we've only seen her in a confrontation situation
>>78955880
Because pretty much everyone knows it's falseflaggers trying to do that very thing
>>78955847
In every moment that we saw them together, Jasper acted like the one in command, giving Peridot direct orders. She's the head of the operation and outranks her.
>>78956345
If she'd have tried to kill Garnet she'd have shattered ruby and sapphire. Instead she just locked everyone up and tried to bring them to what she saw as justice. Also she saw Steven as Rose Quartz, the enemy general, in disguise, of course she wasn't going to just ignore it and do nothing.
>>78958433
she's probably transitioning into a male
makes perfect sense with all the gender queer nonsense bullshit in her show
>>78964902
This is OP. This is the absolute best post talking about this character. I can say that she's not as uninteresting as I remember her now. Still, I wish we could see her more (since there's nothing stopping us from doing so).
Also, >>78964638
yea this is a waifu thread that literally starts with "this character is shitty" good job very good you're going places good
>>78964902
>should be interesting to see how that affects her views on fusion.
I'll be pretty disappointed if Malachite does anything but further sour Jasper's disposition. Shit has to be fucking horrific
>>78963009
No, it's Lapis who is the rapist. Jasper is like someone who suggested sex in the back room of a club, in a rather pushy way but not forcing anyone to accept - and who then gets tied down and kidnapped and abducted to someone's countryside cottage to be constantly raped for months.
It's not what she signed up for, and Lapis agreed without being forced to.
I really fucking hope the show will address that.
>>78964638
Gravity falls does the exact same thing, they have a general going through a months-long hiatus and are still also making specific threads outside it. Go bitch at them.
>>78964997
Nah.
Peridot was clearly assigned a Jasper. She just couldn't keep her Jasper under control. Understandable, too. I mean if I were a militaristic hot-headed giant lady, I wouldn't want to follow the orders of nasally green midget either.
So yeah, subordinate in name only, but subordinate none the less.
>>78957262
>serving the main villain means you could be an interesting villain unless they make movies about your story that explained how you become a villain
When Jasper inevitably gets redeemed somehow, (Steven will find a way) we'll learn more about her then.
>>78966208
>Jasper
>redeemed
>>78955880
Steven Universe is a cartoon made in America, so it belongs on /co/
Is this show any good? Would it let me down if I like masculinity and comedy?
>>78967614
Give it a try, its pretty fun, and comfy.
>>78967614
>he likes masculinity
FAGGOT
>>78967614
Those two elements are completely absent in the show.
>>78967614
It's fun if you let it be what it is and just go along with the ride. Quite comfy.
The first episodes are a bit shit though. By episode 10 or 12, it should start to feel a bit intriguing, but I for example thought the first 8 or so eps were kinda meh and Steven was a total whiny retard dipshit in them.
>>78967691
>>78967699
>>78967708
>>78967747
I'll give it a shot again, I suppose. Broaden my horizons
>>78967945
You'll regret it.
>>78967747
>Steven was a total whiny retard dipshit in them.
>was
>>78967945
Yeah it's pretty good. Have fun.
>>78968014
Why are you lying?
>>78967945
It gets progressively better as it goes on. Season 1A had some visually pretty rough episodes for a number of reasons, especially the first few episodes, so to not let it get to you. The column on the right is from said episodes.
Cat Fingers should definitely grab your attention, and around Giant Woman and Too Many Birthdays is where most people agree that the show picks up. If the midseason finale doesn't get you, then the show's probably not for you at all.
>>78968088
Because I don't swing with the boring memetastic populist hivemind of 4chan and enjoy things at my own discretion, and then share it with other people if I feel it was fun and enjoyable.
>>78955000
Why is she so perfect?
>>78968136
>Too Many Birthdays
Why do people keep doing this?
>>78968168
i'm calling tumblr
>>78968165
So, you're a redditor.
>>78968003
He really changes during the course of the show. It's subtle but it's there. I mean I could barely stand him in the first episodes and nearly dropped the show because his being so endless ineptness rustled my jimmies so bad. The conflicts in the first episodes were literally all of them
>the awesome superwarrior gems on a delicate mission
>steven is with them for some reason, and is a whiny, clumsy fuck
>gems: steven this is a dangerous situation be careful and do NOT do the thing
>steven: shits the bed by expressly doing the thing "oh you mean this"
>destruction and disaster, they all almost die
>next episode, different mission
>gems: steven do not touch the ancient magical artefact
>steven: pokes the artefact "bloop"
>it's a trap, what a fucking surprise
>the ancient gem temple crumbles to the ground
and so on.
But he actually gets better. He also starts to work out, he's not such a food-obsessed fat slob any more as he was in the beginning of the show. It's nice, really subtle character development. Even the gems remark on it, in the early episodes you can really see they treat steven like a lovable but brain-dead family dog and Pearl is often quite exasperated with him. But recently, it's different, and they even say "he's come such a long way".
Pic related, jesus christ Steven you had one fucking job in Cheeseburger Backpack you little retard
>>78968193
Oh wow, I guess it's So Many Birthdays. Just saw it repeated around here so much that I repeated it myself.
>>78968221
But Sugar is really busy right now.
whatever she's my waifu so she's forgiven
>jasper will never throat fuck you
Ya ya ya i am lorde
>>78966135
he was interesting without the movies though
if anything the prequels made about vader made him LESS interesting
>>78968136
>>78968014
Alright sweet. I'm optimistic.
>>78967975
You don't seem honest.
>>78968136
To be fair, I don't think the storyboarder on right works on the show anymore.
>>78955000
Also, she has asymmetry up the wazoo.
>>78968193
Because they see the episode name written in that form and it sticks.
for the record, anon's complaint is that the episode is actually called "So Many Birthdays", but the wrong version is for some reason more widespread
>>78968295
Trust me. 4chan hates it for a reason.
>>78964609
They are all females, "supposedly", they dress as so, talk as so, and have tits, they are all lesbos anon, and the symbolism is strong, stop justifying that it isn't. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, must be a duck.
The whole regime is more about "racial" and "ethnic" purity you dolt, basically, flying fruity space rainbow gem nazis, for the pure combinations only, Sig DIAMONDS!!!
>>78968224
No, memeboy. Try again.
Hint: Your second guess, another meme you follow to be cool, is also wrong.
>>78968339
Why is So Many Birthdays so hard to remember?
>>78968253
>his being so endless ineptness
Yeah sorry, I'm tired. it's a combo of "him being so inept" and "his endless ineptness". I'll just bugger off to bed shall I
>>78963315
There's a massive difference between Homeworlds definition of fusion, and the CGs definition. For Jasper, fusion is situational and only to be used in battle-hence why she asked Lapis to help her fight the CGs.
>>78968253
>I mean I could barely stand him in the first episodes and nearly dropped the show because his being so endless ineptness rustled my jimmies so bad.
He's more unbearable now. At least in the beginning he had some semblance of masculinity.
>>78968361
He can't comprehend the thought of forming his own opinions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSlgP06hpaw
>>78968253
>>the awesome superwarrior gems on a delicate mission
>>steven is with them for some reason, and is a whiny, clumsy fuck
>>gems: steven this is a dangerous situation be careful and do NOT do the thing
>>steven: shits the bed by expressly doing the thing "oh you mean this"
>>destruction and disaster, they all almost die
>>next episode, different mission
>>gems: steven do not touch the ancient magical artefact
>>steven: pokes the artefact "bloop"
>>it's a trap, what a fucking surprise
>>the ancient gem temple crumbles to the ground
Looking back, I can only think of three, maybe four episodes where this happens.
>>78968306
She didn't really work as a storyboarder from the get-go. If memory serves, I believe time constraints made them use a board supervisor to draw some of the storyboards at the very beginning. For the curious anon, this is only present in the first couple of episodes. There is a certain notorious storyboarder for the rest of season 1, but she's completely absent in season 2 and was replaced with a boarder that's now considered one of the best.
>>78968430
I am starting to like the idea that Homeworld's hatred of cross-gem fusion is how they got their heads caved in the first time, because Rose encouraged the hell out of it in her troops who ended up creating superior war machines.
>>78968253
>>steven is with them for some reason, and is a whiny, clumsy fuck
Wasn't it because they wanted to teach him Gem stuff at the beginning?
>>78968507
Names?
