Logan...?
>>78929153
I thought they didn't need him anymore? I mean, they alreayd have Wolverina.
>>78929153
Deadpool.
He's gonna change his name to Pool.
Cyclops? Richards? Gwen?
>>78929214
Pool~ Pool~
>>78929195
And Old Man Logan
Is Prof X alive?
>>78929153
Cyclops? I doubt it's Logan, they haven't started on old man logan yet.
Probably Wolverine.
Nova's 40th anniversary is this year. Maybe Marvel's willing to admit they fucked up.
>>78929153
I didn't see this coming at all!
>>78929153
Ares? Sentry? Uncle Ben? I dunno, I'm spitballing here.
>>78929235
>Richards?
We haven't even seen his death yet.
well, they managed to sums up their whole company policy pretty well
>>78929153
>Logan...?
Unfortunately, the most likely one
>>78929195
>I thought they didn't need him anymore? I mean, they alreayd have Wolverina.
They also have Old Man, but I guess their mentality is "the more Wolverines, the better". They can even make a team book.
>>78929235
>Cyclops? Richards?
Too good to be true
RICHAAAAAARDS
>>78929264
Xavier lives in storm brain
Gwen for drama.
>>78929153
Uncle Ben confirmed.
>>78929333
>Jack Kirby at 5.jpg
>>78929153
>Scarlet Witch says No More Dead (characters)
>every major character who died comes back
>>78929301
>Nova's 40th
>Richard interrupts Sam's book out of fucking nowhere
>Sam passes on the title back to Rich
>Now it's Richard's book
[spoilerz]I like Sam, but that'd be great.[/spoiler]
>>>78929337
>wolverines V2
>with 616 logan, Laura x-23, old man logan, the son of ultimate wolverine that some how is in 616 according to the last issue of old man logan secret wars and Daken
Wallflower
>>78929153
Way to take the piss out of your upcoming event's narrative thrust...
>>78929410
On the contrary, richards tell sam he is doing a good work and the fuck off like ultimate peter
>>78929352
>>78929235
>Gwen Stacy comes back
>they give her Powers (maybe Spider powers)
>Another Gwen book
>>78929153
Mar-Vell?
>>78929390
>Hitler is also back
>This leads to Avengers Disassembled 2: Some Disassembly required
>>78929420
>teen x-mens
>capthcha are flowers
It might as well be either Uncle Ben, and/or Heinrich Zemo, so Marvel can officially wipe out the last tiny semblance of meaning to their "major character deaths".
Why fucking bother when death is basically the same thing as a coma, but somehow easier to cure?
>>78929477
I hope never. But you know marvel.
>>78929478
>Hitler is also back
>implying that he is dead.
>>78929449
>"Hey, Sam"
>"OH FUCK A GHOST"
>"Don't worry, I just came to tell you to keep up the good work"
>"Uh, thanks?"
>Richard flies away, with Gamora and Peter crying
>>78929507
They'd still have Mar-Vell. And Thunderbird.
This thread is sort of pointless, though, since it's clearly Wolverine.
The Return of Doctor Octopus, Spider-event for 2016
>>78929449
No. He hasn't been doing a good job.
>>78929337
>They can even make a team book.
They had one of those and it was shit.
No idea why weeklies are inherently shit. I guess 52 was a sham.
>>78929592
How can it be i marvel hate mutants ?
Also link to op pic i just checked marvel website i dont see that pic there
I'm not an x-fag at all, could it not be Apocalypse leading into that event?
>>78929650
>How can it be i marvel hate mutants ?
Marvel likes money more.
Who fucking cares
>>78929633
>They had one of those and it was shit.
Precisely why they're making another one. So they can make more shit
>>78929153
uncle ben?
>>78929650
>http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-proclaims-dead-no-more-in-new-teaser?utm_campaign=marvel-proclaims-dead-no-more-in-new-teaser&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner
>>78929153
Wallflower?
>>78929441
They could've at least spaced the teasers out.
>>78929153
The Mandarin?
>>78929692
No this is more mysterious, also as far as we know paco lips is alive in some future according to Ex-men # 8 solicitation
>>78929633
More likely that 52 was a fluke.
>>78929713
you do.
>Two days after Marvel described a character death as Civil War 2's "marketing hook
>>78929441
Maybe they knew Civil War II would have problems.
>>78929819
We do, we do, were
>>78929713
Thanks for sharing.
>implying Marvel would bring back a mutant with all the shit they're doing
>>78929600
>More Doc Ock wank
I'd rather have more Doom wank honestly
>>78929214
New first name Christopher.
>>78929798
That would make sense, make him more like his mcu counterpart
>>78929868
Gawd, did they miss such an opportunity with IM3.
>>78929153
What if they when balls out and simply resurrected every dead hero?
>>78929153
Watch, its just Blackest Night for marvel.
All the dead heroes are coming back as zombies.
Which Character is dead in the comics that marvel could introduce in the MCU ?
Dont say uncle ben, we all know it wont happy because he is te motivaron for spider-man being
>>78929868
nah, just make credible enough a threat not to get killed off
>>78929819
Please. They do this shit all the time dude. Why should I care?
>>78929905
Or Disney has decided that no one dies in the MCU because THINK OF CHILDREN!
>>78929939
Nah, zombies are still hot. People still salivate over every shitty episode of Walking Dead, despite how little actually happens.
Its just Marvel's Blackest Night.
>>78929939
>Or Disney has decided that no one dies in the MCU because THINK OF CHILDREN!
Namor got decapitated. in a Disney book
>>78929909
Mar-Vell, Nova, I think Scott Lang's daughter is dead.
>>78929939
>no one dies in the MCU
They just killed Quicksilver a few months back. And a fuck ton of people in the Netflix shows
>>78929541
Implying that he or even the holocaust ever happened
>>78929477
I much as I fucking love Mar-Vell, I really don't want to see him come back and then have someone like Bendis ruin him.
He had his closure and a peaceful death, there's no need to bring him back
>>78929970
But we already had Necrosha!
>>78929992
>I think Scott Lang's daughter is dead.
Doctor Doom brought her back as his last good deed in Original Sin. She's a supporting character in Spencer's Ant Man book.
>>78929992
I believe she came back in that YA Children's Crusade mini.
My guess is probably Xavier.
>>78930025
It'll be Necrosha for the entire Marvel U, not just the X-Men.
>>78930000
>the holocaust didnt happend in the MCU
>all this time magneto motivation to fuck over the x-men was to mock xavier
>>78929973
>>78929995
Mainly to spite the companies that hold the movie rights to those characters.
>>78929995
>a fuck ton of people in the Netflix shows
But no one relevant, I guess?
>>78930058
Fuck i meant to say MU
>>78929507
>Heinrich Zemo is the new Citizen V
>>78930042
The other anon asked about characters that could be in the MCU, since they're more likely to come back. Xmen rights will never revert.
A lot of characters who are still dead don't belong to Marvel Studios. Those were the only 3 I could think off the top of my head.
>>78930042
>I believe she came back in that YA Children's Crusade mini.
thats when she died. she was brought back in axis
>Marvel hates mutants so they won't bring Wolverine/Xavier back
Even if this was true, who else is dead that is big enough to warrant a banner? These teasers arer meant to get to normies, too, so it must be someone everyone knows. A respected but comparatively unknown death like Mar-Vell's or Rider's wouldn't get one.
>>78930190
Remind me when was the last time marvel/Disney did something Nice to the mutants in comics
>>78929153
Goku?
>>78930248
ANAD Marvel, when they gave the X-characters multiple titles of their own. Again.
>>78929835
>post yfw Civil War 2 suffers Secret Wars levels of delays
>>78929153
Martha and Thomas Wayne?
Can. . . Can I have Mettle back, Marvel? Please?
>>78930300
And all of them are about them being sterilized and slowly dying...
>>78930300
I wouldnt call that Nice
>>78930175
My bad, that was a while ago tbhfam
>>78930144
Oh I see. In that case my guess would be these >>78929316
>>78930190
JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
>>78930351
>wanting a meme character back
>>78930351
>Reminds the general public of Red Skull
Unfortunately
>>78930387
>JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN comeback just to tell past teen Jean she is doing a good work
>JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN fuck off to space with the phoenix
>>78930354
>muh favorite characters need to be shown in a positive light meme
You're in a thread about yet another comic book character coming back from a supposedly permanent death. The concept is not something that should indicate Marvel "not liking" their IPs.
>>78930387
Forgot about her. The point stands, though.
>>78930413
can they just bring him back with a different color?
like purple, teal, or some electric blue ?
but its too late, killing him just to show the"strenght"of the villian of the arc/series was pretty a downpoint that made me quit Marvel and Capeshit in general
>>78930467
sounds just like what Marvel would do.
>>78930467
>JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN fuck off to space with the phoenix
JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Well played, Archie...
>>78929153
Hopefully their creativity.
>>78930866
lol, /co/ needs to do some of these
>>78930893
You mean originality.
>>78929153
Something cosmic, as a result of Lifebringer Galactus?
Gotta fill up that dartboard so somebody can say they called it.
Bill Foster?
>>78929153
Uncle Ben. Calling it now.
Obviously Ben Reilly,
but in all seriousness it's probably Logan, Cyclops and/or Jean
>>78929153
Uncle Ben?
>>78930000
quads confirm
Death comes back to life, upsets the natural order of everything, bring every dead character back, reset universe.
>>78929477
We know what happens if Marr-vell comes back, the Old ones arrive on the world and turn it into the cancerverse
>>78931155
>>78931177
>dubs
So it's some BEN for sure.
Maybe Benjamin Franklin? (from Deadpool)
>>78931203
>reset universe
>>78931241
double dubs faggot, which means, double important
>>78931241
>comes back to life
>tries to bang Clea again
Would be a better Doc story than the series we have now, surely.
The only one that mattered: Xavier
>>78929905
They already did that, twice. Necrosha and Chaos War.
Total shit both times, just like Blackest Night.
>>78931203
>>78929390
>still dead
>some goons go beat up her corpse anyway
>>78931300
>Blackest Night
>shit
Nice company war, bro.
>>78930922
JEAN.
JEAAAN.
JEAAAAAAAAAAN.
>>78931083
It's been 10 years since he died, so he might be due. Then again would that character really grant a teaser?
>>78931417
Sure. He's black and, euh, plus-sized?
>>78929865
Who is this a reference to?
>>78929633
>>78929803
Trinity was alright.
Snake? SNAAAAKE!!
>>78930534
If JEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN does comeback, she needs to not be shipped with Cyke. Even in the damn SW shit that's all she was.
>>78931785
Moot. Former 4chan admin.
God, has he really been gone that long?
>>78932851
>Literally who?
>>78932936
Space Moderator?
>>78931819
Trinity was worse than both Futures End and Batman Eternal
>>78933047
Then why do you read them?
>>78932988
Still not ringing a bell.
>>78931394
>can't read parts of posts that aren't about DC
nice company war, DCfriend
>>78933075
I started Trinity because of Busiek, I started (and finished) Futures End because of Giffen and Lemire, I read most of Eternal because the start was strong and then went down hill.
Who was killed off in the last year?
Probably that person.
They have been pulling this shit since they recently killed off Johnny Storm.
They know killing off a character brings in numbers so they literally SET UP A PERIODIC PLAN TO KILL OFF A CHARACTER EVERY FEW YEARS.
And as far as I can tell they all come back within a year.
its Xavier
>>78933181
>genetically unable to drop a book
Hatereader.
>>78930467
>Jean comes back so Teen Jean can tell her she's gay
>>78931005Rich is cosmic
>>78931299
>Xavier
>matter
Not for awhile.
>Richard Rider comes back
>He comes to Earth to see his parents
>They're in a civil war AGAIN
>>78933360
>>78933333
>Kid Nova dies in CW
>RIDER comes back
Like poetry
>>78933297
>Dropped Batman Eternal after 20
>Dropped Trinity after 13
>Read all of Futures End because I enjoyed it
???
If I was dissing the books without having read them you would be annoyed with that as well.
>>78933401
>after 20
>after 13
Not bad for books you disliked!
>If I was dissing the books without having read them you would be annoyed with that as well.
Who wouldn't?
>Dick Rider comes back
>Written by Bendis
>>78933395
And then Rich fucks off to space forever to never be seen again until Bendis needs a SHOCKING villain.
>>78933449
They're also weeklies.
(Also I liked the first few issues of Eternal, and then it started to slip)
>>78933478
It's Gwen. Prepare for Gwen Stacey Fucks the Marvel Universe so Pete can become the cuck of the century.
Is Odinson still dead?
>>78933401
>If I was dissing the books without having read them you would be annoyed with that as well.
the ending for FE horrible though
>>78929556
>>Richard flies away, with Gamora and Peter crying
>>78933549
The final issue was horrible, but the issues before that weren't.
It should have ended about 5 issues before it did.
>>78929153
Please be Cyclops. We could trade him off for that RACE TRAITORING SHIT BEAST.
>>78933530
>Spider-Gwen
>Gwenpool
>Gwen Stacy
Fuck. We're getting closer to Squirrel Gwen.
Unless it's Ares I don't give two shits. Of course they'd never promote ares that heavily because they have to suck asgardian cocks.
>>78933588
DON'T EVEN JOKE ABOUT THAT MOTHERFUCKER
>>78933619
Gwen is the new Deadpool. Squirrel Girl is hot right now.
>>78933588
>>78933615
Ares is already back in Contest of Champions.
>>78933580
if it is he'll come back as a bisexual muslim woman
>>78933664
yeah i know i'm talking about getting him back for real. god lknows the new hercules book needs something
>>78929153
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>>78933698
You know what it needs?
Gwencules.
>>78933662
What does the filename refer to exactly?
>>78933333
>33333
You just might bewrong
>>78933671
>bisexual muslim
Done
>>78933753
(blank) gothic just refers to posts that describe the worst and most inexplicable parts of something driving you mad. I think the 'original' was texan gothic or something
>>78933836
Nobody remembers Dust, anon.
>>78933478
So he's Parallax, but not as compelling, threatening, or interesting?
>>78933580
no one needs muties anymore. inhumans even have superior gingers
>>78933925
Shut the fuck up you stupid mutant hating bitch. The only good Inhumans aren't even in the bloody comics.
>>78933925
Nobody likes inhumans.
>>78933909
Yes. And he'll die at Kitty's hand while Bendis yells that this is all someone else's fault, if they would have just let Richie stay dead, dammit!
>>78933938
>>78933947
>all this mad.
how are you liking the terrigen guys? i was definitely an accident and we're really sorry..
>>78933925
>no one needs muties anymore. inhumans even have superior gingers
The only good inhumans is a dead inhuman, or Naja she is cute and is one of my waifus
>>78933986
Fucking bullshit plot mist killing mutants for no fucking reason. Then they blame everything FUCKING EVERYTHING on Cyclops. Not even shit related to him anymore.
They are even blaming the death of magic on "probably something Cyclops did".
Fuck you Marvel.
>>78934022
Woah Woah Woah Illyana is dead?
>>78934059
Died of exhaustion, too many magic taxi rides.
>>78933938
>>78933947
>>78934022
sorry but inhumans are much more compelling. they have these powers they never asked for and have to fight for the very people who fear and hate them
>>78933836
>>78933876
I do but had no idea she was bi.
How did she not bone laura when laura saved her life back when they were new x-men?
>someday Sean Howe will write a second volume of Marvel: the Untold Story
>all this crap will be told about
>>78934123
Because she isnt actually gay, I just posted her pic because that anon said muslim and she is the only other muslim in the x-men that isnt in a book
>>78929390
Bendis, being the bizarro Johns, will write his marvel version of blackest night.
>>78934059
Colossus sure as hell keeps dreaming about it.
>>78929153
Another book? Doesn't Marvel have like 70 now?
>>78934196
>kill Nova in CW
>bring back Richie in Darkest Evening
>start Bendishilation
What a ride 2016 will be.
>>78934096
better her than Strange
>>78934251
If you can't find the other books, or the way out, you won't have any other choice but to buy Marvel until the door is revealed.
>>78934105
oh I see what you did there.
>>78934022
that's what you get when Fox owns your movie rights mutie
>>78929153
>we're gonna have 3 wolverines at the same time
>>78934483
4 if you count daken.
>>78934483
>peter
>miguel
>miles
>cindy
>anya
>jessica
>porker
>noir
>ad infinitum
>>78934483
>>78934517
20 spider-people, possibly 3 cyclops, and many other multiples. Marvel at its finest.
>>78933938
>The only good Inhumans aren't even in the bloody comics
Which ones are you talking about?
>>78934565
he's a AoS fag, don't even dignify him with a response
>>78934483
>>78934512
>>78934517
>>78934532
Why make new characters when you can just have alternate versions of pre-existingcharacters?
>>78934002
>one of my waifus
>waifus
>plural
fucking degenerate mugga lovers
>>78934639
you tell em aniki
>>78929235
>gwen stacy comes back
>becomes a PI
>has flashbacks about her abusive relationship with norman
>brought to you by brian michael bendis
>>78934800
Brought by Bendis? Brian Michael Bendis? You think that's the kind of book he would write? Brian Bendis?
The character you thought was dead
IS NOW ALIVE!
Spooookyyy...
Is muh Phoenix funny if you have never read AvX?
>>78934800
>has flashbacks about her abusive relationship with norman
Can't they just erase that from history?
>>78934954
at times. starts out pretty bad/mediocre but it gets better as it heats up
>>78931005
>>78931216
Ewing crosses over New Avengers+Ultimates, Captain Marvel & Hulkling deal with cancery Mar-Vell
>>78935071
>not mah nova
Remember all the shitposting when /co/ learned Rich was getting replaced?
>>78934954
you tell me
>>78935159
good times
>>78934137
How good is that shit anyway?
>>78929301
>Marvel brings Rich back from the dead, tries another legitimate stab at doing a Nova Corps to compete with DC and the GLC
>Rich is basically the new Hal Jordan with Sam as Kyle Rayner
>>78933662
>does anything exist outside of new york?
occeaionally they'll try something revolutionary like putting a minor caharacter like SS in Houston but then ge gets right back to new york where there's a hero shortage
>>78935329
>to compete with DC and the GLC
Everything Green Lantern is so fucked up right now they don't even need to compete.
>>78935636
Sounds like it's fitting right in with the Nova Corps situation.
>>78935614
where the fuck is kaine these days anyways? i couldn't bother reading spider-verse, did he die?
>>78935614
Only San Francisco.
>>78935866
which was also a stupid decision because san fran already has mutants
>>78929153
Betting 5 bucks it's Uncle Ben to Herald the start of a third Clone War saga, with the entire Marvel Universe involved this time.
>>78929264
Yeah, like they're going to keep around the Logan from the dimension with the incestuous Hulks for more than a year.
Dick Rider or Logan
When did Richards did? This is refering to Reed Richards of 616 right?
Or are people talking about Richard Rider and I misread the thread?
>>78936199
the fantastic four is disbanded post-sw. and the x-men. and many avengers are hacked on legacies now. marvel is pretty unrecognizable these days
>>78931216
He came back during AvX and that didn't happen.
>>78929410
I want a Novas book, with Rich, Sam, and the Nova family from SW. Seriously, the Nova family was great.
>>78930059
Ben Urich. Purple Man. Wesley.
>Marvel brings Sam Loeb back to life
>>78936528
wesley is only relevant to our hearts anon, let's be real
oh man there are so many guy i want back
first and more importantly best spider kaine
sentry, logan, dick rider, anti venon and/or hybrid
is girl quasar still dead? if yes also her
and thanks tot his thread now i want gwen stacy to come back and become gwenom for drama and fetish full
>>78936632
>sentry
you must be joking.
>>78936691
but i want another superman rip off
also its the perfect time considering civil war V2.0 is coming, some other greek god need to be cut in half
>>78931155
Cyke is alive. He's just half Inhuman and half right.
Logan is a possibility, but I've been wondering when they're bringing JEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAANNN back. I'm hoping Rich will be back at some point, and I'm still waiting on Kaine. Xavier's another possibility, along with the rest of the Fantastic 4.
Speaking of X-Men, since other writers still acknowledge that the O5 is fucking up time and shouldn't be there, why haven't they gone back yet? And how have they not managed to bring back Jean with all this shit? The X-Men line is so complicated I've stopped caring about a majority of what goes on.I say this as both an X-Men and Inhumans fan. This war is fucking stupid.
>>78936547
>implying T'Challa will ever share the cure for cancer
Fucking nigger.
>>78936738
>What is Hyperion
>>78936580
I didn't care as much when he died in comparison to the rest of /co/, but I figured anon would be mad if I didn't mention him.
>>78936632
>gwenom
I swear, we better get MJ Venom in Spider-Gwen.It's like they're teasing us with it
>>78936738
first, he's not even a superman rip off, he's as beyond superman as superman is normal people. second his whole personality and origin story are gutter shit and why the fuck bendis did all that is beyond me. third, having sentry in civil war 2 would make civil war pointless. fourth, ares was a better character than he could ever be. fifth, fuck you sincerely
>>78936805
its not the same m8, some people still kinda like hyperion because his bearded bromance with thor
almost everyone hates sentry
>>78936820
>MJ Venom in Spider-Gwen.
it totally needs to happen if they dont give us gwenom mj is the best option for it
they can totally make her go full tsunder for gwen even more witht he symbiote
felicia is a nice third option, if they ever bring her back
>>78936848
ok.
i was joking mang, no need to get offended or mad
i just thought it could be fun if that happens again
>>78936972
you don't joke with the death of an olympian man, it's just not done. alex lost his dad!(and where the fuck is he anyway?)
>>78936972
I was so ready for Felicia to be the source of all my boners, then they made her black. Nothing against black girls, but I'm rarely into themI guess I'm a traitor then. Zoe Kravitz is a dime though.
It'll be a while before MJ Venom happens. There's so much they're trying to introduce, but the book is going so slowly. Like get Gwen's cast set up and all that before you go and throw Captain America into the mix.
It's Sera.
>>78929153
Ben Reilly, please
Captain Mar-vell
Wolverine comes back working for apocalypse
>>78929507
Gwen Stacey
Uncle Ben
Zemo
Ancient One (will probably be back because "muh mcu")
Mar-Vell
Genis-Vell
Phyla-Vell
Happy Hogan
Moira MacTaggert
>>78938818
Isn't that the EXACT same scenario that happened to Daken?
>>78936765
>Cyke is alive. He's just half Inhuman and half right.
Sorry anon. The preview showed that wasn't Scott, it's just some weird shit Sinister made.
was pym kill?
>>78933925
sick bait, friend
>>78939066
>my friend
>not my son
Pymtron is very much alive.
>>78929153
Marvel is bringing back Kaine as the Dark Spider!
>>78929153
Everything Lives
I hope they bring him back to life. A nigga can't be taken out like that...It's just wrong on so many levels.
>that last line
it makes sense no
>>78939446
What's that from.
>>78936632
>Gwenom
>Iron Gwen
>Hawkgwen
>the Gwen goblin
>The Gwenisher
>Squiril Gwen
HOUSE OF IDEAS
>>78939816
It was something to do with Marvel Zombies. I think they found away to go to other universes, and Zombie spider-man went to one and tried to eat that universes Sandman.
Sandman got away and proceeded to run into that universes spider-man, but didn't know the other spider-man was a zombie so he killed that universes one out of fear.
>>78939897
dont fight it anon, just accept your gwen overlord
>>78936765
Next arc of Ultimate is about erasing Doomlock Time Machines from existence.
>>78929153
More like someone at Marvel read Blackest Night and they are passing it as their own idea.
>>78935329
I wish but you know it's not gonna happen also Rich should stay dead until Bendis leaves Cosmic.
>>78935093
Really? What happens?
