>there are people on this board who actually think MoS was a bad movie
I've never seen it myself, but when I see clips posted, I get the feeling that I'm not missing anything extraordinary
>>78661875
This right here is the average shitposter that says they don't like MoS.
>>78661875
>Not recognizing how brilliant the design for the phantom zone prison ship is
>>78661883
Flying dildos, man. Flying dildos.
>>78652866
We've already got a thread about whether Man of Steel was good or bad. We don't need another one.
>>78661847
it was ok
not bad, but could have been better
>there are people on this board who actually think The Dark Knight Rises was a bad movie
>>78661847
there are people all over the world who is right in believing that MoS wasn't a compelling movie
>>78661987
It was, but only because they killed off the main protagonist (CIA) in the first six minutes.
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Tried watching it, but it was so boring, I can barely even remember it. Only people really into superman might enjoy it.
>>78661875
Same here. In fact I saw the thread and was about to ask for the flying dragon dildos.
The movie is shit.
This fight scene is one of the single greatest fight scenes in capeshit.
In no other movie there ever was super-speed shown like that.
>>78661847
It might just be my favorite film about Christianity.
>>78662078
>The movie is shit.
Your opinion is shit.
MAN OF SEARS
The guy who played Superman was super hot imo
Whatever, just post that one gif where her mask open and she tilts her head with a smile.
>>78662099
>WAH! WAH! SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN ME! WAH! HE MUST BE WRONG!
>>78662099
>>78661883
>>78661847
Is this a samefag, or are all MoS fans so insecure?
Which would be more pathetic?
>yet another thread where people try to convince themselves MoS wasn't liquid garbage
Dude, it's been three years now, it was a bad movie, let it fucking go.
>>78662134
Yeah I always pictured Superman as a large stocky guy, not some pretty-looking handsome guy. Like, he should look like a football player or something. Have those huge broad shoulders. Ben Batfleck looks bigger than Supes
>>78662030
>CIA still hasn't debuted in the comics
>>78662266
THE FIRE RISES
I literally could not give less of a shit about MoS, but Trauje is waifu worthy
>>78662295
This... so much this
>it's an OP doesn't even try to hide that it's a waifu thread thread
>>78662041
I have a buddy who's a fucking huge Supes fan and it's so depressing to talk to him about it.
When asked which is his favorite supes movie, his response is usually an exasperated sigh, followed by "Man of Steel, I guess."
Being a supes fan is truly a fate worse than death.
>>78662208
What makes me insecure in calling that dude a faggot for saying he doesn't like a movie he never watched?
>>78662212
The ride will literally never end.
And BvS will be the same 10x over.
>>78662295
Dat everything, man.
>>78662375
>>78662295
I think any girl with short hair automatically receives waifu status.
>>78662417
Don't you say that, don't you put that evil on BvS.
>>78661847
If she's so fast, why does she need to stop everytime before hitting someone?
>>78662465
It has already begun.
You can't stop it.
>>78662445
good taste breh
>>78662468
i think she has the physical power but not the mental practice to confidently process information at that speed so she probably goes full speed to a single objective then picks out her next target to zip to
>>78662431
She's perfect
>>78662417
Only if it's critically pannedas it probably will be
Doesn't matter if a fucktillion people see it, once its score on rotten tomatoes drops below 60%, half of /co/ turns into first year film students and amateur film critics and goes on about how "you just didn't understand the movie and you just hate it because you didn't get it, man."
>>78661847
It was a TERRIBLE Superman movie.
But it would have been a great Martian Manhunter movie.
>>78662534
u callin her dumb? dem b fightin words
>>78662504
Back at ya, brah.
>>78662580
>1.png
Kill yourself MCUck.
>>78662569
It'll probably be an average movie that'll have a solid box office run. But this is /co/, and particularly /co/ after three years of shitposting, both from apologists, shitposters and Zack Snyder himself. If this movie gets a RT score below 94% and a box office below $1.9 billion, there will be cries of flop.
And, Protip, it will.RT: 74%, will get Certified Fresh.
B.O: $1.4 billion.
And once it's over, CIVIL WAR will come and a whole new slew of shitposting shall begin.
>>78662610
Mcuck..? The fuck?
>>78662580
MoS was dog shit.
And it's looking like BvS will be dogshit too.
To be a Dkuck is too suffer.
>>78662208
They're all so insecure.
They know the film is bad. They never actually have any arguments to the contrary that work, and they can never argue against the film's many, many flaws - all discussions with an MoSfag eventually boil down to "Did you even watch the movie!?" or "It's not bad, you just didn't like it, I thought it was the most emotionally engaging thing ever!" because they can't actually defend the film on a technical level. They're just desperately in love with a company and want the film to be good.
>>78662412
Case in fucking point. "Hurr did yoo even see da moovee!?"
>>78662635
The ancient Scottish clan of McCucks, hired by Disney to shill online these days
>>78662630
Pro tip: BvS is only tracking a little over 800 million.
It's release date, wonky dark+camp tone, clusterfuck 3rd act and the bland cast means at best this thing pulls Nolan Dark Knight numbers (1 billion ww).
As for RT...... this is a Snyder flick least we forget. 70% at best.
>>78662757
I imagine the tracking will go up leading up to its release. It's got a budget of $410 million, earning only $800 million would make it a certified flop, wouldn't it?
Damn.
>>78662630
Not trying to start company wars here, because seriously, how fucking stupid is that
>HURR I PAY MORE MONEY TO THIS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY BETTERER
but I've noticed RT scores only matter when it comes to MCUfriends.
Avengers 2 has, what, a 74%? And general /co/nsensus is it's shit.
MoS gets a 54% and we get ">listening to RT, MOS WAS GOOD, FUCK "PROFESSIONAL CRITICS"."
I guess it comes with the territory of the DCU being the underdog that the DC defense force is so aggressive, but like I said, company wars, totally retarded.
>>78662504
Get off 4chan Woolie.
>>78662677
Are you some kind of dumbass? That dude said he hadn't seen the movie. Jesus man you are having an autism fit and can't even read.
>>78662833
Autism speaks.
>>78662808
Isn't a movie considered a flop unless it makes back twice its budget?
With names like bats, supes and wonder woman behind it, it'll easily make at least 900 mil, but factoring in budget, advertising, etc. that should only be, what, 100 mil in profits?
>>78661847
It's a fun movie.
As someone who doesn't give a shit about cape comics, that's all I wanted from a Superman movie.
>>78662808
>I imagine the tracking will go up leading up to its release.
Sure, which is why I predict it will at least pull in Nolan numbers.
Part of BvS tracking so poorly (relatively) is WB are notorious for poor marketing, that 2nd trailer for example. Hell look at Pan this year, WB was confident and even had a trilogy planned, huge flop and extremely poor marketing is part of the reason for that flop.
At the end of the day quality is what will determine BvS's box-office not the brand, the brand only guarantees this thing hits 700 million. And judging by the spoiler leaks it's not looking too good. Very by the numbers, very commercial.
>>78662912
>fun
You have an odd definition of fun, friendo.
>>78662910
>100 mil in profits?
less.
>>78661875
>>78662912
>As someone who doesn't give a shit about cape comics, that's all I wanted from a Superman movie.
>on /co/
ok
>>78661875
This scene has been explained a billion times. Come up with something new, shitposter.
>>78661847
Not everyone has patrician taste, OP.
On a side note, MoS is going to be one of the first Ultra HD Blu-Rays WB releases:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/warner-bros-home-entertainment-announces-first-ultra-hd-blu-ray-titles-300197659.html
>>78662961
People who use that word tend to just use it to mean "funny" turning it into a meme. Amazing that people have forgotten that "fun" actually means enjoyable, and not wacky and self-aware.
>>78661875
>>78662989
how many of these are they
MoS was fucking good
>>78662833
Because you, you monumental idiot, also stated that the average "shitposter" who says they don't like the movie also hasn't seen it.
Don't try to pretend you don't leverage that bullshit non-argument at anyone with a different opinion to you. You've done it in this thread.
>>78662757
Got a source for your $800mil? Because your post is a whole mess of bullshit.
>>78662968
Yikes. What I wanna know is where all that money is going to. Aside from Affleck, most of the actors are nobodies, and the CG is good but nothing amazing, from what I've seen, so what gives?
>>78662375
Should've been wonder woman
>>78663095
I've only replied to that guy and you. Get your force sensitivity checked and stop projecting little Autsimo.
>>78662757
>mfw the only thing that sells for DC is Batman
What went wrong?
>>78661847
But's a half decent DBZ movie.
It wasn't bad perse, IMO it was a good movie: 7,3/10
>Disliked things like how Lois Lane was forced everywhere and that kissing scene in the middle of a destroyed city.
>Disliked Clarks haircut as Superman, that shit was ugly.
>The dark filter was hard to look at.
>I don't agree with the way they killed off pa Kent. Should've made it like Smallville
What I liked was
>The action and fighting scenes
>Good score
>Flight scenes were great
>Great villain
>Henry Cavill is the perfect Superman
The 55% on RT and on IMDB are too low, would've expected a 65-70% mi familia
>>78662208
I think it's more than one guy but I do also think there's at least one guy that is constantly showing up to these treads because I have a hard time buying there are two people that use the exact same grammar and syntax and can't go two sentences without whining about how it's a serious movie for serious mature epic mythic people like him.
If that one anon got a trip I'd be willing to bet the number of Man of Steel threads on the board would be halved.
>>78663128
see
>>78661883
Literally stating that anyone with an opinion counter to yours hasn't seen the film.
It's generally a bad idea to lie on a board where your previous posts are about two or three scrolls up.
>>78661875
I keep thinking those are from Prometheus.
>>78663026
I know what fun means, and MoS, to me at least, is not fun.
The movie was a fucking chore to sit through that you would have to pay me to watch again.
Even if you did pay me to sit through it, I'd still give some money back to skip the slog through the fucking boring half hour that took place on Krypton.
>>78663151
A half way decent trilogy of Batman films after a bunch of shitty adaptations of some of DCs other IPs.
>>78661847
No, it wasn't a bad movie... it just wasn't a GOOD movie.
It was kinda boring, even with all the action, it didn't make a lot of sense, there were a ton of really stupid parts in it.
It should have just been two hours of Faora wrecking shit in increasingly skimpy outfits until she's buck-ass naked and suplexing Kal-El through buildings. Then the sequel would be Dawn of Hotness, with Faora and Power Girl fighting each other for a while then teaming up with Wonder Woman to kick the shit out of Batman, Lex Luthor, Doomsday, and all those other pieces of shit before running off to start a super-powered lesbian commune.
>>78661847
Man of Steel was:
-An hour too long with at least 45 minutes of no-brainer cuts
-A confused mess of a plot with a majority of actions and dialogue conflicting with character's explicitly stated motivations as well as the basic themes of the movie
-Edited into an out-of-order mess that confuses whatever narrative line may have existed previously
-Tonally inconsistent at best, schizophrenic at worst
The movie's problems have nothing to do with Zod being murdered. Zod being murdered is a problem, mainly due to there being no build up or consequence, but it in itself is not a problem.
The problem is the shitty script.
>>78663214
Yeah those are my two post you are correct. My only 2 post. Jesus dude you are pathetic. Thanks for making my morning better with your stupidity.
>>78663198
And by the haircut I meant this
>>78662823
Stop, both sides use RT equally to attack the movies they don't like.
Also
>general /co/nsensus
There is no such thing, don't delude yourself.
>>78663002
Damn I didn't even catch all that I must rewatch
What's up with all the redditors ITT thank think there are two people here?
There are 38 posters ITT newfags, learn 2 4chins.
>>78663208
>>78663208
they're so fucking easy to tell
>the guy who posts and image of what he liked about MoS and uses caps all the time
>they spoiler tripcode guy who samefags like there's no tomorrow
>they idiot that always tries to use sophisitcated words like "obtuse" but always falls out of context
those 3 are an army of their own
>>78663296
>There is no such thing
Except, there is.
>>78663151
All kidding aside you look at that list and it really hit home how much of a stranglehold Marvel has on the genre. Every character on that list excluding Batman belongs to Marvel Studios.
It also shows me what a Colossal fuck up job Fox has done with the X-Men.
>>78663263
I didn't say you've posted elsewhere.
You've been saying that your bullshit "lol anywun dat hates it hasn't seen the film" crap in that first post was just you calling out a guy for not watching the film, and that shit is a lie. You, as usual, defaulted to the dumbass pro-MoS line that people with other opinions just don't know what they're talking about.
I'd call you an idiot and say you're too stupid to understand or whatever, or that your retarded backbirth brain has made my morning better, but the truth is, you're just an insincere little fuckhead.
For all the talk about how the movie had great action the only action sequence that really stands out is Faora versus the soldiers.
Clark versus Zod lacks tension since no one is taking damage. It's like a fighting game on training mode, the combos might be sick and all and you might even see some stage damage but without a KO it's always going to be lacking compared to the real thing.
>>78663373
No, there isn't.
Look at MoS itself.
Look at the Avengers.
Look at Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies.
Look at Christopher Nolan's Batman movies.
Look at GotG.
>>78663367
People that try to claim others are the same poster on an anonymous image board have to be some of the most pathetic people on the planet.
>>78661847
I'm of the opinion that Man of Steel is neither and excellent nor shitty movie. It is simply one composed of excellent and shitty scenes. If you like the good more than the bad bothers you, you probably liked MoS. If the bad overshadows the good for you, you probably don't like MoS. Superman as a character has existed long enough, and been featured in so many different stories with so many different tones, featuring such different takes on the character that everyone absolutely has their own preferred version of him as well as the world around him. MoS is simply another one of those alternative versions. If it caters to you, and is more in line with versions of the character that you like, I am thrilled that you have a live action Superman you can enjoy. If I happen to not have enjoyed it, I don't think that makes me anything more or less than someone with a different preference or opinion than yours. I'm just so tired of debating this movie. There is a sequel coming out in 3 months, and instead of discussing it, all we can do is debate it's 3 year old predecessor, which is something that is actually going to happen in the sequel! Can we just move on already? This movie has just become such a victim of the metastasis of stop liking what I don't like/stop disliking what I like culture, and all these threads do is a continuing disservice to the ideals Superman so often stands for.
>>78663399
Triple dubs confirms.
>>78663407
Scenes do not exist in a vacuum, they build upon one another to form a coherent narrative with a singular tone and a collection of themes and motifs.
Man of Steel's scenes don't do this. It fails as a movie.
>>78663367
I'm not sure about the other two, but
>the guy who posts and image of what he liked about MoS and uses caps all the time
Yeah, definitely a huge samefag. He doesn't even try to hide it. He's almost tripfag tier his posts are so recognizable.
>>78663397
I don't think your understanding me.
/co/'s general consensus on a movie is something that HAS to exist.
It's just the opinion that a majority of /co/ holds about a movie, I'm not saying EVERYONE feels the same, I'm just saying MOST people feel one way or another about the movies you posted.
Hence, the general consensus.
>>78663378
Kek oh man sperg lord you made my morning. You are projecting so fucking hard.
>>78663486
That one guy accounts for at least a third of the bingo board. It's hilarious.
>>78663399
>mfw this entire thread consists of my own posts made across dozens of different IT's and you
Just you and me, buddy.
>>78663521
That's probably an indication that it's not one guy. We've been having these 300+ post threads daily for the last three years.
>>78663399
Newfaggots can't help it.
>>78661987
For you
The movie falls into that pit of a 5-7 in a scale of 10. It's not incoherent enough to be a universally agreed mess, but it's not stellar or unique enough to be considered a hit. In my opinion MoS creates some good visuals and occasional has some great lines, but overall the characters are uninteresting or annoying. The movie's version of Clark is too wooden, and it's Lois is horribly written, all other characters are not given enough dialogue for me to care about them. So as cool as any fight with Zod may look, I struggle to care because I don't feel anything for this Superman.
>>78662571
Yeah for sure, holy shit.
>>78663095
>>78663128
>>78663498
>autism
>autismo
>projecting
You realize that posting the same buzzwords over and over won't make him less right, right?
Everyone here can see your first post. You did do what you were accused of doing. I'm not sure why you're even trying to pretend otherwise.
>>78661847
It might just be the greatest film of all time. But retards/oldfags/snyder haters/plebs don't seem to understand that. Snyder makes this feel like a comic, and unlike those shitty MCU projects, this feels more like the story of a legend, about one man finding out there's more to him than he thought. The score is also simply excellent, conveying the right sense of action, emotion and grand spectacle. The acting is fantastic too, Cavill proves that he is the best Superman to ever be, and Michael Shannon as Zodd will be one of the best superhero movie villains. The script is great too, with great lines and moments (the part where the soldiers lower their guns might just be the best part). But back to the directing, it was magnificent, it was like watching a comic book unfold, and they actually hired someone professional, unlike the MCU where they just hire hacks and nobodies who have been involved on TV shows, no less, Snyder has never made a bad movie and this film is no exception. And I do say film because its more artistic and masterpiece than any of the trite and banal pieces of garbage that the MCU puts out almost every year. Man of Steel will age like a fine wine, and in ten years time, it will be considered the magnum opus of comic book films.
>>78663496
Except they don't. There's always divergences about them. Same for AoU.
>>78663643
I'm referring to his ad hominem and attempting to claim that I was multiple posters when those were my only post.
I'm just gonna sit back and watch the shit flinging.
>>78663667
There is a /co/ consensus: Man of Steel sucked
It happens to coincide with the public consensus.
For more detailed reasons why the movie sucks that apply even to those that can only point to Zod's death see >>78663262
>>78663567
I'll be the first to say that people need to stop treating the board like a hivemind but if you see the kind of post we're talking about you'd think the guy is samefagging to. It's not just the opinions he holds, it's the expression of them that's very distinct (dude can't spell or do a sentence that's not run on for shit, loves using words like "epic", and can't seem to go a run on sentence without cursing someone out for being a "campy baby barneyfag".
Yeah we've been having these threads daily. Is it so hard to believe we might have one autistic guy that keeps showing up for a whole lot of them? Because it's either that or some really uninspired copypasta.
Or maybe I just don't want to believe there are two people that fucking stupid out there. Let me live the lie.
>>78663486
I don't know much about it, but I know there's two guys that always flood these threads, the dude with the Sinestro and Chris Evans reaction images and the guy that gets pissed and calls people that didn't like MoS the oddly specific "camp-addicted selfish assholes who want Superman to blow sunshine up on their asses".
>>78663643
Not that guy, but what are you even arguing? The OP he's defending admitted that he never saw the movie.
>all discussions with an MoSfag eventually boil down to "Did you even watch the movie!?"
So no shit people assume that he hasn't seen MoS.
>>78663671
You're both using ad hominem.
And, reading shit over, he didn't accuse you of being multiple other posters. I'm not sure what would make you think that.
>>78663262
>-An hour too long with at least 45 minutes of no-brainer cuts
You could remove half the Krypton stuff and the movie wouldn't suffer at all. If the point of Krypton is that it's failed civilization then there's no reason for LOOK AT HOW AWESOME JOR EL IS HE RIDES DRAGONS.
>>78663692
There is no /co/ consensus you newfag. Jesus dude /co/ is completely different dependent upon the time you post, the day you post, or even the month.
Where the hell are you from? It sure as hell isn't /co/.
>>78663667
I'm not saying there aren't multiple opinions on a movie, I'm just saying some opinions are more abundant than others, am I wording this wrong or something?
>>78663732
True.
Also, removing the Krypton opening would remove quite a few plot holes and broken thematic elements.
>>78663760
No, he just wants to pretend the majority is on his side.
>>78663735
It doesn't matter when you post it, anon, MoS will always be reviled. Well, mostly ignored these days since you faggots keep posting the same thread over and over
>>78663713
I don't think anyone here is the original people arguing anymore.
That said, nobody was being defended, one guy said that people upholding MoS always say detractors haven't seen it. Which is exactly what >>78661883
does.
He doesn't say "hey faggot why not see the movie?" He says "everyone who doesn't like this movie and posts about it hasn't seen it."
>>78663760
They don't seem to grasp the idea of GENERAL consensus versus UNANIMOUS consensus. Having said that, MoS is split pretty much 50/50 so it's not really right to say there's a general consensus for or against it here either.
So, you're both wrong. The only general consensus thing is that Raven and Power Girl are waifu material.
>>78661847
I wouldn't say it was bad. But it was boring as fuck.
>>78663655
>Michael Shannon as Zodd
>any of the trite and banal pieces of garbage
>the magnum opus of comic book films.
>>78663819
>MoS is split pretty much 50/50
>>78663819
>50/50
I was with you up to that point.
I'd say it's more 80/20, 80 calling it shit.
There's a reason almost every thread that praises MoS also simultaneously defends it.
>>78663791
There's no consensus on MoS, which is why we have these long ass discussions everyday. It is the single most polarizing /co/ film and produced a 50/50 split the two times someone actually did a poll.
>>78663942
Don't expect newfags to remember polls. The idiots posting that are obviously from other sites by their way of accusing anons of being the same people and trying to claim and international anonymous image board has a solid consensus on anything.
>>78663871
A boring movie is much, MUCH worse than a bad movie.
I'll willingly watch a bad movie for fun like Birdemic or the Room, or Food Fight, or whatever, but there is zero enjoyment to be had watching a boring movie.
>>78663819
I donno man, there seems to be a pretty big majority calling MoS shit.
That's usually the case when defenders push back this hard.
>>78662757
>Guardians of the Galaxy made more money than the most iconic superhero of all time
>DC in charge of making money
No wonder WB is going to just fold them into their movie division, and have the comics just be merch for the movies.
>>78663026
>turning it into a meme
>>78663901
>>78663907
>>78664074
I'm talking about the two times we did polls. The results were split 50/50 or close enough to even.
Having said that, those polls were set up in a way that didn't allow for you to say it was average or okay or that it had flaws. It was a binary "It was greatest of all time" versus "It was dogshit" choice, and those are inherently flawed. A poll with more options would probably tend to the negative, but the poll result data we do have was an even split
>>78664169
>expecting serious answers for a poll
>about supes
>on the comics and cartoons board
>of 4chan
>.org
Nigger you simply MUST be jesting.
>>78664252
A poll is a better indicator than looking through threads filled with trolls, multiple posts from single IPs, and people who simply can't be bothered to comment but who are willing to check a box that says either "good" or "shit."
In my experience this board has the worst representations of both people who love/hate MoS. It usually boils down to caps lock, buzzwords, and ethical debate which lead nowhere. The diverse opinion is fascinating really, it's not even about the film anymore, just being right. Personally I liked MoS, but I completely understand why others wouldn't and don't expect nor try to change their minds.
>>78663942
>There's no consensus on MoS
Yes, there is. General, critic, and /co/ all are in agreement that it sucked.
>which is why we have these long ass discussions everyday
Please. Someone wants to kick up shit by saying MoS wasn't garbage and trolls trolling trolls troll the trolls. This thread itself is 99% arguing over whether or not it consists of two people.
>hurr strawpoll!
kill yourself
>>78664252
If you're so against the idea of anyone here expressing their sincere opinion on something why do you even bother engaging us.
>>78664345
A strawpoll on 4chan is patently worthless. Not only for the obvious reasons of participation bias and sample size, but also because of votebots.
>>78664395
Multiple people ITT have explained why the movie blows
You've done nothing but impotently assert that the movie is too polarizing for a consensus
>>78664428
But they're on 4chan, so nothing they say can be taken seriously and should be completely ignored in favor of following your own narrative spin on things.
Apparently.
Man of Steel a SHIT.
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice will be a SHIT.
Suicide Squad will but okay tho
>>78664378
You should just stick to saying that critics generally hate it (which would still be wrong given what the 55% RT actually represents), since the DVD sells, IMDB score, box office, and RT audience score indicate that most non-critics actually like it.
>>78664401
Sample size for the first one was 729. Participation bias would actually be greater in these discussions, because the later requires more effort and there are people who don't want to get involved in the shitflinging, especially after the umpteenth go at it.
>>78664345
So it's either a thread loaded with shitposts or a poll loaded with shitposts.
Well be still, my beating heart.
>>78664395
Homie, I am all for expressing your sincere opinion on something, but remember the keyword; sincere.
If we were to run another poll, especially dealing with fuckwit company wars, how many DC fans would say MoS is the greatest movie that has ever graced our humble earth, simply because it's a DC movie? And how many Marvel fans would say it's shit because it's DC?
Polls on this kinda shit are finicky, and don't fool yourself into thinking you'll get an honest opinion about anything here.
>>78663151
DC is too focused on the iconography of each character and not the character itself. So we get Hal Jordan, (THE Green Lantern) Barry Allen, (THE Flash) and of course the trinity, which features Superman, (THE original superhero) Wonder Woman (THE female superhero) and Batman, who everyone likes. Problem is that Hal, Barry, and Diana are boring as shit, since DC is focused on them being so fucking iconic instead of giving them real character traits that make them relatable to the audience, and Superman gets boring real quick unless there's a talented writer behind him (not Goyer). Batman has flaws built into his character by default, so he is easily relatable on some level.
Marvel, on the other hand, focuses on making the characters come before the superpowers. In short, the A-list DC characters mostly fail the Plinkett test, while the Marvel A-listers pass with flying colors. You can go on for a while about Tony Stark's character before ever having to say "and he's in a robot suit." How far can you get with Barry Allen before you come to "And he runs really fast?" Can't wait until Cyborg borings his way onto the big screen to be a black robot and nothing else.
I wish DC would take a cue from its B- and C-listers and give them real personality. But I guess the B- and C-listers are so out of the public eye that they can afford to take risks with the writing without being crushed by the iron grip of executive oversight.
>>78664617
>If we were to run another poll, especially dealing with fuckwit company wars, how many DC fans would say MoS is the greatest movie that has ever graced our humble earth, simply because it's a DC movie
This is a poor argument.
>>78664637
Marvel actually have the advantage in that initially many of their most popular characters and franchises weren't available to them.
If Marvel still had Spidey and Wolverine you could be absolutely quarantine constant reboots of webhead and sniktbub.
DC on the other hand is getting caught in the constant trap of doing endless reboots of origin stories because the only solid hero they have that's easy to write is Batman.
Superman is incredibly hard to write well which is why his comic sucks for decades at a time. WW has a completely awful rogue's gallery, GL generally sucks and is expensive to do because endless CGI instead of practical.
Their best shot of doing a good series would be to do most of the JL in their own TV shows and save GL and the Trinity for the movie crossovers.
>>78664673
That it may be, but my point still stands.
If you wanna honest opinion on shit like this your best choice is to do the legwork and monitor threads about it.
It's puss easy to go to a poll and say "Yes it good" or "No it bad" but at least in a thread you actually have to defend your opinion and give reasons it's good/bad and prove you're not just shitposting and lying out of your ass.
>>78664810
>Superman is incredibly hard to write well which is why his comic sucks for decades at a time
Confirmed casual. Superman, Batman, and Daredevil have the largest stable of notable comics. You're describing Iron Man, which is under some sort of curse, and was marked for dead by Civil War, before RDJ saved him (fucking Bendis is the best thing to happen to him in the comics; even Demon In the Bottle is a difficult read), or even Spider-Man, who's gone through the like of Slott, One More Day, and the Clone Saga for decades on end.
>GL sucks
And yet Geoff Johns Green Lantern was DC's cashcow, along with Batman. I could see CW doing constructs with 90s CG.
>How far can you get with Barry Allen before you come to "And he runs really fast?"
Have you watched the series?
>>78664956
>It's puss easy to go to a poll and say "Yes it good" or "No it bad"
That's exactly why it's a better method than something that selects for the relatively small minority who actually care enough, and who are willing to put in the effort, to do the later.
>>78665162
>Have you watched the series?
Unfortunately. Barry is so bland in that series. It's like watching a piece of toast in a red suit. Thawne was the most interesting character in that show by a long shot. The rest are just meh, except maybe Cop Dad.
>>78665162
>The guy from 1938 has the largest stable of notable comics
REALLY?! WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE.
Spider-Man has a better ratio of good stories:bad stories than Superman does. Also, literally none of the shit you posted for Spider-man has gone on 'for decades on end'.
>>78665162
Are you really claiming that Superman wasn't completely shit for the entire silver age until Byrne rebooted him in the 80s?
Superman has the occasional good story but for the most part Superman goes long lengths of time being completely forgettable. Combined with the aging of the comic reader demographic (most comic readers have aged out of the 8-12 year old Superman wish fulfillment fantasy) and Superman struggles to get solid traction with current audiences.
This isn't to say that Superman can't be done right but Superman origin stories are generally god awful and how often do you want to sit through a Lex Luthor vs Superman movie?
>>78665293
Tom Cavanaugh is so much more talented as an actor and so much more charismatic as Thawne than Barry is.
It's kinda hard not to root for him. Same with Captain Cold.
>>78665227
>>78664956
>>78664673
They're both equally shit methods because neither will ever have a statistically significant sample size or any way to account for duplicate posts.
You're both retarded, but the one trying to say Man of Steel isn't universally shat on by 4chan is the bigger retard.
>>78665366
>Spider-Man has a better ratio of good stories:bad stories than Superman does
Difficult to beat a collection of books like Secret Identity, Red Son, All Star Superman, Superman For All Seasons, For the Man Who Has Everything, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Brainiac, Last Son, Men of Tomorrow, Man of Steel, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, and Birthright. The thing with Superman is that he's such a famous character that everyone wants to write him, so he ends up getting guys like Alan Moore and Grant Morrison.
>>78665376
So was Batman. DC, in general, was shit throughout the Silver Age, but the Bronze Age yielded the like of Must There Be a Superman.
>>78665439
>statistically significant sample size
How many people even post in these threads? More than 729?
>the one trying to say Man of Steel isn't universally shat on by 4chan is the bigger retard
You're admittedly ignoring any evidence that contradicts your preconceptions and basing your opinion on absolutely nothing.
>>78665689
Threads that start as "Man of Steel was amazing" get a million people shitting on the OP and 500 posts
Thread that start with "Man of Steel sucked" get a single "yep"
Your opinion is invalid.
>>78665808
"Man of Steel Sucks" OPs are easy bait posts that yield 300+ post threads. The other MoS thread we had today is one of those.
>>78661847
That's because everybody expected prime Nolan for some reason.
I expected a Zach Snyder movie (either a mostly shot-for-shot adaptation of an existing work or a visually stunning standalone with a standard-to-dull story).
I got a Zach Snyder movie and was satisfied. The fights were phenominal and Cavill wore the cape well. Its only real problem was Pa Kent, partially because his character was an idiot and partially because I just don't like Kevin Costner.
And if WB had any balls it would've been a good start to a King Superman arc, which would've led to a much better Batman v Superman than what we're getting.
>>78665808
>Threads that start as "Man of Steel was amazing" get a million people shitting on the OP and 500 posts
>
>Thread that start with "Man of Steel sucked" get a single "yep"
I can confirm.
>>78661847
>Antje Traue getting more and more roles.
This is the best thing MoS did.
>>78661875
Someone should add fuck this gay earth
>>78662375
>checking out a guy old enough to be you son
yum
>>78664617
See, the problem with your thinking is that it's bogged down by the idea that if you're a DC fan you have to like Man of Steel. I propose it's just the opposite, and if if you like Superman comics or cartoons, you're more likely to find fault in Man of Steel.
Case in point I think DC has better TV shows, better video games, better cartoons and better comics than its competition. I also think Man of Steel is a trainwreck, and the train was carrying nothing but shit. So what side do I fit in on this shitty console war battlefront?
>>78666295
The right side of the war jim
>There are actually people on this board who think Green Lantern was a bad movie.
Just fucking die already.
>>78666465
Oa and the alien designs were beautiful. It gets a lot more hate than it deserves.
>>78666500
Good design can't fix a bad script. Lucas taught everyone that.
>>78661847
They're called Marveldrones and casual Superman fans.
>>78661847
It's not a bad movie. But it's not a good movie either.
Boring, shitty colour correction, blatant product placement, no fun allowed.
>>78663262
>Zod being murdered. Zod being murdered is a problem
"Self defense or defense of others is murder"
Your a piece of worthless despicable trash you know this?
>mainly due to there being no build up
Why the fuck should there be build up? Its meant to surprise the audience, why the fuck would we want to foreshadow it?
>>78667406
no they are called the majority of people who saw the movie. DCfags who want to suck Snyder's dick are the only ones who liked it.
>>78664378
>Yes, there is. General, critic, and /co/ all are in agreement that it sucked.
161 FRESH
128 ROTTEN
Is not a agreement on anything, it is split down the middle controversy.
And the actual quality of the film is even more on the fresh side as at least a 3rd of the rotten reviews did not review it on its own pros and cons, but on how much it sucked their nostalgic bias dicks.
>>78668394
the fresh reviews are mostly paid though
> Faora
Speaking of whom, Antje Traue just did her first nude scene.
Lingers on the guy's ass a bit too much but this is still a nice seen.
http://watchscenes.com/antje-traue-nude-scene-in-weinberg/
Another sex scene, but no nudity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2YPgp368Gk
>>78668550
Until you get confessions from each and everyone of the writers of the positive reviews, fuck off to the depths of mother fucking hell shit stain.
>>78668626
Fuck yes. She is so damn fine.
>>78668654
no nigger, if you're gonna dismiss all the reviews you don't agree with so easily, so will I.
u mad shitposter-kun?
>>78668707
I did not dismiss all the reviews, I said a 3rd of them.
Every poor review I have read, said its not light enough and never should have been attempted because "not muh" that is the fucking essence of bias.
They did not say it was a poorly executed serious film, they are saying it was poorly executed BECAUSE it was serious.
>>78668831
No, it's just that you're so deep in denial it has affected your reading comprehension.
You see, the Donner comparisons are there to showcase how wrong Snyder did the tone of the movie, because when you do a movie with themes like hope, christianity and messianic figures, you don't go for a destruction porn movie.
>>78669036
>because when you do a movie with themes like hope, christianity and messianic figures, you don't go for a destruction porn movie.
There is no point in a bright beacon of hope in a bright hopeful world.
The point is to show him badly struggling to do great things but strives hard and does so anyway. Someone who can save the day no sweat, no hardship and no consequence is not relatable and it not as well written narrative wise.
The Christianity and messiah aspects is to show his potential, while the film shows you the reality, that he is just a everyman in a very bad world trying to do good.
>>78663002
Lets assume that is what they are going for, how is not knowing your audience in any way good film making? All the audience got was comedy.
>>78669325
so he didn't do the bright beacon at all.
it was supposed to be a superman movie anon, not ultraman.
>still no gif of that qt smiling
![John-Cena-Children-Fans[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Xrsc4v3.jpg "John-Cena-Children-Fans[1].jpg")
Superman is the worst case of untapped potential I've ever seen. DC/WB keeps trying to shove the Superman peg into the Batman hole and it just doesn't work. Superman is not Batman.
You know who would love Superman if he was marketed towards them? Kids. Kids would fucking love Superman. Kids fucking love John Cena and his character is that he's literally Superman. An animated Superman film in a similar vein as Incredibles would make all of the money.
>>78669502
"Saving 7-8 Billion peoples lives TWICE doesn't make you a icon of hope"
The metropolis memorial having a Superman statue in it says otherwise.
>not ultraman.
Ultraman is a genocidal warlord, Mos's Superman did not intentionally harm a single human being in the film you fucking idiot.
>>78670051
>DC/WB keeps trying to shove the Superman peg into the Batman hole and it just doesn't work. Superman is not Batman.
There IS NO POINT IN A BRIGHT BEACON OF HOPE IN A BRIGHT HOPEFUL WORLD.
They are not making Superman himself dark or batman like, they are making the world around him dark.
>>78661847
MoS was okay, but Faora was GOAT.
>>78670224
>There IS NO POINT IN A BRIGHT BEACON OF HOPE IN A BRIGHT HOPEFUL WORLD.
Great. Start the world off shitty, and better off in the end because the beacon character brings light to it. Instead, what did we get again?
>>78670224
Remember when Superman did anything that inspired hope?
>>78661847
They're not saying it's a bad movie, just a bad Superman movie.
>>78670390
>>78670448
"Saving 7-8 Billion lives doesn't inspire hope"
The ENTIRE point of the film, is giving us a flawed Superman who can't do everything perfectly every time, but he still does his fucking best and saved virtually the entire human race on his first freaking day on the job.
>>78670572
But its not, Superman being portrayed in a flawed imperfect manner IS NOT A BAD FUCKING PORTRAYAL OF THE CHARACTER!
>>78670448
You know he inspired hope because everyone hates him in BvS.
>>78670756
If I wanted a Hyperion movie, I'd ask for one.
>>78670811
>portraying Superman as someones who cares more about getting booty than saving lives is a good portrayal
>>78670811
Not at all.It's just an inaccurate one.
>>78670756
>"Saving 7-8 Billion lives doesn't inspire hope"
He saved them from a threat he caused and they know he caused it. Are you brain damaged? People would be terrified that he was around and could destroy them with a thought. There was literally nothing to get the people on his side and it's all going to be done off screen with fluff pieces written by the Daily Planet.
>>78670811
He was petty, vengeful, and cowardly
Very different from NOT PERFECT
>>78670074
yeah, he destroyed that truck by mistake.
>>78669471
Yeah I'm not buying it either. I'm sure that goofy jokes weren't the main reaction to the Alien, and that was a lot of phallic imagery.
If the audience sees dildos, you failed.
>>78663701
>Is it so hard to believe we might have one autistic guy that keeps showing up for a whole lot of them?
That's one option, but as with Shit Wars guy, sometimes people just take up the cause and keep posting just because they find it hilarious.
>>78668224
>no they are called the majority of people who saw the movie.
Actually, according to Rotten Tomatoes, 76% of audiences liked it. It was the critics who panned it.
>>78670863
>If I wanted a Hyperion movie, I'd ask for one.
This is nothing like Hyperion, nothing so far suggest this Superman is even remotely considering subjugating the earth for the greater good, which is Hyperion's whole thing.
This is Superman with the realism of JMS's Hyperion but not the personality or goals.
>>78670907
>>portraying Superman as someones who cares more about getting booty than saving lives is a good portrayal
"Kissing the 3rd person in your entire life that you have ever trusted out of a need for comfort and stability after you both almost die in a black hole seconds before is "getting booty"
REALLY?
> He saved them from a threat he caused
No Zod is a sentient being who made his own choices, this is like saying im the bad guy if a unintentionally leave my yard tools out and they get seen and stolen and used to murder people with.
> There was literally nothing to get the people on his side
The fact that he turned himself over to the military by his own hand knowing he would be turned over to Zod.
The fact that he did not let Zod destroy the world.
>>78670942
>He was petty, vengeful...
One single time he was such with the truck. And that is after a life time of putting up with abuse and not doing anything back.
>and cowardly
Not punching down on those immeasurably weaker then you is not cowardice.
>>78671283
Plutonian then?
>>78671283
>>78671283
Yes it's "getting booty" when there's a fucking destroyed city around you
People are dying around him at the same time as he's getting some tongue action
Zero interest on Superman.
Zero interest on making part of this discussion on /co/.
Will still watch because of this.
MoS is one of the few movies where Rotten Tomatoes' inherent flaws shine through.
Read the actual reviews, instead of spouting a percentage.
You'll find that the majority of the critics who gave the film a negative review did so because they disliked the tone and direction that Snyder was taking with Superman. Very, very few critics actually said that the movie was bad on a technical level.
In terms of storytelling, worldbuilding, and visuals, MoS is fantastic.
>>78663701
>loves using words like "epic"
I have seen hundreds of people use that word.
But I am the guy your referring to.
And I swear right now, I have not created a single one of these threads, I just respond to them when they come up.
And you are genuinely a piece of shit if you think fans of serious toned Superman do not have the right to be catered to after 5 movies catering to you. That is the definition of selfish.
>>78670863
>>78671283
>>78671339
>hyperion
>plutonian
Are you faggots retarded?
Snyder borrows heavily from Miracleman, which is Alan Moore's take on Superman in the real world.
>inb4 it's supposed to be shazam ur too dumb golden age marvelman was shazam
Read the actual comic, instead of just reading the wikipedia article.
Superman and Zod's battle in Metropolis is literally Miracleman #15 brought to life.
>>78671435
>visuals
>fantastic
>that godawful colour correction
No thanks
>>78671394
What goalpost did I supposedly move?
>>78670756
>flawed Superman who can't do everything perfectly every time
Exactly, setting up to even more gruesome not perfection in BvS
>>78671532
Wow, nice meme!
>>78671525
>Snyder borrows heavily from Miracleman
AH! That's the one. Thank you. If I wanted a Miracleman movie, I would have asked for one. If Snyder wanted to make a Miracleman movie, he should have, but making a Miracleman movie and dressing it like Superman? Pic related.
>>78671626
>having an opinion is a meme now
Wow, nice meme!
>>78671421
They were literally trembling as they embraced for fucks sake, people even Superman need comfort after a traumatic experience.
This is literally the first time in Clark's life that he has been in danger of truly dying, Give the guy a fucking break.
>>78671664
But some of us don't fucking want traditional Superman, we want a realistic relatable version of him, that doesn't make him less of the character. It simply makes him a different incarnation of him, Jesus Christ what the fuck is with your aversion to change.
>>78671736
He's fucking Superman, not Averageman.
Go save people, don't stop to get your dick wet.
>>78662375
>>78662431
>>78671430
>>78671804
>we want a realistic relatable version of him,
If you can't find the current version relateable, that is your failure as a human being not the character's failure as a character.
>that doesn't make him less of the character
It doesn't. It just makes him unfaithful to the character. Pic related is nearly every other "not Superman there is" Maybe one of them would be more to your liking. Clearly you love the costume, but not the man who wears it.
>>78671839
That is the point, to make Superman a realistic relatable everyman who is not perfect and has realistic reactions to the world and events around him,
>>78671804
The tradition with Superman is to make a version of him to do that, the original character is an icon
>>78671804
Explain to me how your elderly father dying of a heart attack is less realistic and relatable than him being sucked up by him choosing to be sucked up by an out of nowhere tornado rather than allow you to save him.
>>78671435
MoS is one of the movies that fanbase retardness shines through.
You see, if you go "fuck you I liked it", I'll undestand that. The guy may have shit taste, maybe I have shit taste, maybe he's too invested in superman, who knows.
But you guys go "fuck you, it's a masterpiece, everyone else is wrong". and this sums up your entire fanbase.
You are so fixated on two or three points and those are the only ones you're capable of bringing on.
What, someone points out legitimate flaws of the movie? NOT MUH SUPERMAN
Someone says a marvel movie was better? MARVELDRONE
Someone says he didn't like the tone? DONNERFAG
I mean, you guys are so fucking deep in your own asses, you don't even make the slightest sense anymore.
Maybe you should make a forum of your own and go circlejerk there instead of busting everyones balls.
>>78671926
>a realistic relatable everyman
Yeah, fuck superheroes being actually SUPER! I want them to ignore saving people to make out with their girlfriend!
Fuck you.
>>78671915
>If you can't find the current version relateable
New 52? I do.
>that is your failure as a human being not the character's failure as a character.
>Clearly you love the costume, but not the man who wears it.
No its not, I can relate to his cause, but I can't relate to his struggle, because there is no struggle, Reeves and traditional Superman literally can do anything and everything right, it is entire shtick that he can resolve any problem without killing or making hard decisions at all.
I like his idealism, I like his cause, I have a problem when writers refuse to test or break that, Mos did that, they gave him realistic real world options and he did the best thing under the circumstances.
These threads always have people dealing in absolutes. It's always "YOU'RE A TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT WHO HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE" and "FUCKING SHILL, WHY SO INSECURE AND DELUSIONAL?"
Things aren't so black and white guys.
I liked the movie a lot. I know it has flaws, but I think it's pretty good. Not bad, not great or awesome, just good.
>>78671171
Seeing as how the guy showed up in this thread, do you believe us now?
>>78671435
>In terms of storytelling
>MOS is fantastic
There are so many things wrong with Man of Steel's plot it's hard to even know where to start.
>>78671978
Its not, but it gives Clark pause and takes away his blind naivety, It adds to his conflict ion that sometimes doing the right thing could cause more harm then doing nothing.
>>78670756
You keep saying it and keep ignoring that a billion is a statistic because to admit otherwise would require you to understand how basic characterization and how it relates to building a narrative works.
Makes you real easy to pick out of the zeitgeist, so please, just get a trip already.
>>78669325
>The Christianity and messiah aspects is to show his potential, while the film shows you the reality, that he is just a everyman in a very bad world trying to do good.
So the visual symbolism is intentionally antithetical to the narrative?
That's stupid as fuck.
>>78671980
>But you guys go "fuck you, it's a masterpiece, everyone else is wrong". and this sums up your entire fanbase.
I am one of the strongest defenders of the film, I am probably the one that curses the most, and I think it is fucking superb and even I do not think it is a masterpiece or perfect.
And I never said everyone else is wrong, I'm saying they are wrong if they are judging it for what it is not instead of what it is and set out to be.
>>78671980
>What, someone points out legitimate flaws of the movie? NOT MUH SUPERMAN
Superman not being able to save everyone, Superman causing a tiny bit of damage himself and Superman accidentally leading Zod to earth are not legitimate flaws with the writing or film making.
>>78671736
>They were literally trembling as they embraced for fucks sake,
Actually that was just the camera shaking.
>>78661847
This female is attractive, and I'd like to make pancakes for her to enjoy.
>still debating the pros and cons about this movie
that is some amazing staying power
Why is Pa Kent such a shitty character
>yeah let kids die it's all good buddy
>nah don't save the dog let the old man do it, and don't save both of us
>just don't save anyone
Maybe that's why Clark didn't feel like saving anyone when the city was destroyed, he took Pa Kent's teachings to heart
>>78672169
How can it add to his confliction that doing the right thing would cause more harm than doing nothing when he doesn't do the right thing?
There aren't even straws for you to grasp, and yet you're grasping anyway.
>>78672179
I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK IF IT IS A STATISTIC, its still a massive fucking accomplishment.
I don't fucking want to see them nuter and de claw Zod so Superman will be able to save people during there fight, It makes immeasurably more sense that he would keep the fight between them and hold Zod's attention after the general threatened to kill them all one by one.
Was there a specific reason for using Earth to house a new Krypton?
>>78672084
>Reeves and traditional Superman literally can do anything and everything right
Except save his father from dying from a heart attack. Like in the first Donner Superman.
Except balancing a civilian life and his heroic deeds. Otherwise why would he have to give up his powers in Superman II?
The fact of the matter is everything you like about Man of Steel was done in the Donner movies. It just wasn't hamfisted and cringy as fuck.
>>78672362
>>yeah let kids die it's all good buddy
He was not seriously suggesting it, he blurted out maybe to get his point across.
>>nah don't save the dog let the old man do it, and don't save both of us
He wanted Clark to stay with Martha more then the Dog.
>>just don't save anyone
Not if more people could die as a result of your existence being revealed.
>How can it add to his confliction that doing the right thing would cause more harm than doing nothing when he doesn't do the right thing?
The world might tear itself a new ass if we found out aliens existed with this much power.
Pa said "this will change everything, science, religion"
>/co/ will defend MoS because of blatant dcfaggotry
>>78672509
>He was not seriously suggesting it, he blurted out maybe to get his point across.
His point being "yeah let those kids died cuz secret identity", a great foundation for being a hero
>He wanted Clark to stay with Martha more then the Dog.
Clark could save the dog and be back in seconds
>Not if more people could die as a result of your existence being revealed.
My other favourite foundation of Superman - "let some people die so more people don't die". How inspiring
>>78672384
A thematically weightless accomplishment.
The movie was written around its ending and the ending doesn't even have the punch it needs to be effective. Are we really suppsoed to be surprised that Clark killed Zod? Superheroes in movies almost ALWAYS kill the villains. Boo hoo he's conflicted? So's every character.
All Snyder they did was make him more generic, not less.
>>78672451
>Except save his father from dying from a heart attack. Like in the first Donner Superman
He could have gone back in time and saved him.
The point is he can always resolve battles and conflict the right way. His dad's heart attack was nether.
>Otherwise why would he have to give up his powers in Superman II?
There was absolutely NO reason for him to do so, that sub plot was absolutely unbearably fucking stupid in Superman 2.
>>78672509
>He was not seriously suggesting it, he blurted out maybe to get his point across.
Kevin Costner is a good enough actor that we can tell when he's blurting something out. There was like five seconds of forethought before he said that. That's not blurting out anything.
>>78672509
>The world might tear itself a new ass if we found out aliens existed with this much power.
>Pa said "this will change everything, science, religion"
Would've been nice to get that in the actual movie rather than having to wait 3 years for them to get around to it.
>>78672605
>The point is he can always resolve battles and conflict the right way. His dad's heart attack was nether.
Gee it's almost as if they were trying to say that despite all his powers there are some problems that Superman is just as human in dealing with and can't do shit about, thus making the character more relatable.
>There was absolutely NO reason for him to do so
Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex.
>>78672566
>His point being "yeah let those kids died cuz secret identity", a great foundation for being a hero
>My other favourite foundation of Superman - "let some people die so more people don't die". How inspiring
Its not meant to be inspiring or a foundation of Superman, its meant to be a burden that Superman fears that gives him justified Pause, a Billion Muslims declaring war on the human race to spite the being that proves their god false is no small thing.
